Should musicians names appear on the anouncement? What about the name of the computer?
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Re: Should musicians names appear on the anouncement? What about the name of the computer?
by Georgina Lewis
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well, my immediate response is that the feelings of the computer won't be hurt by exclusion but the case may not be so cut and dried for the humans.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Samuel van ransbeeck <thinksamuel@...> wrote:
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Re: Should musicians names appear on the anouncement? What about the name of the computer?
by Kevin Paul
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Hmm. Would one list the make and model of one's tuba in the program
for one's tuba recital? Kevin Paul On Jun 12, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Samuel van ransbeeck wrote: > > Hello > > with the class of composition we are doing a recital where we will > have our pieces played. In the draft for the anouncement we did not > put the name of the ensemble. For me this is not a problem , as I > see it as a project of the composition class, the instrument > students just do their chamber music. On the other hand, the other > students (and the professor) want to include the name of the > ensemble on the anouncement. However, there are two pure electronic > pieces. Shouldn't we ten write also the name of the performing > computer eg 'iMac core2duo'? After all, the computer is a performer > as well. > What are your thoughts about this? > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound@... > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound@... http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound |
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Re: Should musicians names appear on the anouncement? What about the name of the computer?
by Michael Palace
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Maybe this can be a new Turing Test. Can you tell that it is a computer
performing or a human? If it is a algorithm to play music that the computer is using, I think it advisable to state the algorithm and the computer code writer. Mike rfkorp@... wrote: > People actively PERFORM. A computer just plays back sound. A different person would perform the same piece in a different way. A different computer would not. > > Additionally, to ignore the work that the musicians have undertaken to develop their skill and then to learn to play the pieces at hand (something a computer knows nothing about) is somewhat insulting. > > Feel free to list the computer as well, for humor's sake and completeness. But only if the living musicians are prominently advertised first. > > --- On Fri, 6/12/09, Samuel van ransbeeck <thinksamuel@...> wrote: > > >> From: Samuel van ransbeeck <thinksamuel@...> >> Subject: [microsound] Should musicians names appear on the anouncement? What about the name of the computer? >> To: microsound@... >> Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 9:58 AM >> >> Hello >> >> with the class of composition we are doing a recital where >> we will have our pieces played. In the draft for the >> anouncement we did not put the name of the ensemble. For me >> this is not a problem , as I see it as a project of the >> composition class, the instrument students just do their >> chamber music. On the other hand, the other students (and >> the professor) want to include the name of the ensemble on >> the anouncement. However, there are two pure electronic >> pieces. Shouldn't we ten write also the name of the >> performing computer eg 'iMac core2duo'? After all, the >> computer is a performer as well. >> What are your thoughts about this? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound@... >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound@... > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > microsound mailing list microsound@... http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound |
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Re: Should musicians names appear on the anouncement? What about the name of the computer?
by burnett-3
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Samuel van ransbeeck wrote:
> with the class of composition we are doing a recital where we will have > our pieces played. In the draft for the anouncement we did not put the > name of the ensemble. For me this is not a problem , as I see it as a > project of the composition class, the instrument students just do their > chamber music. On the other hand, the other students (and the professor) > want to include the name of the ensemble on the anouncement. However, > there are two pure electronic pieces. Shouldn't we ten write also the > name of the performing computer eg 'iMac core2duo'? After all, the > computer is a performer as well. > What are your thoughts about this? I would list the name of the person who did the programming or other setup of the electronic piece on the computer as the performer or composer of that piece. I would consider the hardware or software to be listed, if at all, as an instrument. I would only list the computer as a performer if it is sentient (for example "HAL 9000, original composition"). best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound@... http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound |
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Re: Should musicians names appear on the anouncement? What about the name of the computer?
by Randolph Jordan
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Playback and diffusion are very different things and should not be
conflated. Diffusing a recorded piece is a real-time performance in its own right. In the concerts of electroacoustic music that I have attended, the diffusers are given credit and applause for their work, essentially treated as musicians partially responsible for realizing a composer's work. While there is also often applause at the end of recorded works presented without diffusion, I don't think the clapping audience is intending to acknowledge the work of the CD player responsible for spinning the disc, though this piece of machinery is certainly a key factor in helping to realize the composer's work. Perhaps the question of where to direct credit should be based on acknowledgment of creative intention, something most of us do not yet ascribe to inanimate machines. Randolph. On 12-Jun-09, at 11:10 AM, ndkent@... wrote: > simply playback (or perhaps diffusion _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound@... http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound |
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Re: Should musicians names appear on the anouncement? What about the name of the computer?
by Bill Jarboe
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Hi,
I've heard of applause for vinyl transcriptions. Some audio hardware companies , japanese especially; feature their designers , engineers . To the original question I suggest leaving the ensemble absent from the announcement and crediting the performers at the event. bill On Jun 12, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Randolph Jordan wrote: > Playback and diffusion are very different things and should not be > conflated. Diffusing a recorded piece is a real-time performance in > its own right. In the concerts of electroacoustic music that I have > attended, the diffusers are given credit and applause for their work, > essentially treated as musicians partially responsible for realizing a > composer's work. While there is also often applause at the end of > recorded works presented without diffusion, I don't think the clapping > audience is intending to acknowledge the work of the CD player > responsible for spinning the disc, though this piece of machinery is > certainly a key factor in helping to realize the composer's work. > Perhaps the question of where to direct credit should be based on > acknowledgment of creative intention, something most of us do not yet > ascribe to inanimate machines. > > Randolph. > > On 12-Jun-09, at 11:10 AM, ndkent@... wrote: > >> simply playback (or perhaps diffusion > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound@... > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound@... http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound |
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