Signing TM Advancement Reports

[smisbsa15]

Just curious - I am the keeper of our (jealously guarded) troop database and was today contacted by our council asking me to make sure all TM paper advancement reports are signed - by THREE people...  

I questioned that (and got into quite a discussion with the store manager) since for SCOUT rank, only the SM's signature is required, no Board of Review.  Obviously for the next 5 ranks, three signatures (of BoR members) ARE indeed required.  And for Merit Badges, I was also asked for 3 signatures.  

We have since sorted this out (three for ranks except for Scout, one for MBs), which was what I had been doing all along anyway!  

BUT could you please let me know what you do in YOUR council, and what is BSA's standard procedure (references?) on this...  Much appreciated!  

/Frank Striegl
Scoutmaster, BSA Troop 15
Tokyo, Japan
I used to be an Owl

[john siegel-2]

We are having the same problem!  The council wants us to use Internet advancement, but when i pointed out that i would have to go home (no internet at meeting site) from meeting, enter the data, print the form, then take it back to the troop at next meeting to try to find the 3 individuals that had done the Board of review.  Then take it to council for processing and pick up badges, it was just easier to use paper form.

I hope the future will be, go home from meeting, enter data, attatch electronic signatures (or BSA ID numbers) and email to council and in the next week, I get an envelope in the mail with the badges to present to kids at next meeting!
Easier for council, saves gas and makes everybody's life easier.




--- In TMTUG@..., "smisbsa15" <strieglf@...> wrote:

>
> Just curious - I am the keeper of our (jealously guarded) troop database and was today contacted by our council asking me to make sure all TM paper advancement reports are signed - by THREE people...  
>
> I questioned that (and got into quite a discussion with the store manager) since for SCOUT rank, only the SM's signature is required, no Board of Review.  Obviously for the next 5 ranks, three signatures (of BoR members) ARE indeed required.  And for Merit Badges, I was also asked for 3 signatures.  
>
> We have since sorted this out (three for ranks except for Scout, one for MBs), which was what I had been doing all along anyway!  
>
> BUT could you please let me know what you do in YOUR council, and what is BSA's standard procedure (references?) on this...  Much appreciated!  
>
> /Frank Striegl
> Scoutmaster, BSA Troop 15
> Tokyo, Japan
> I used to be an Owl
>

[Linda-59]

My council (Baltimore) will take rank on internet advancement with one
signature,  I use the TM Board of Review  report and get the signatures on
that.  When I turn in the paper copy to council I attach the BOR report to
that.  So far everyone is happy.

Linda
Maryland

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, jsiegel2001 <jsiegel2001@...> wrote:

>
>
> We are having the same problem! The council wants us to use Internet
> advancement, but when i pointed out that i would have to go home (no
> internet at meeting site) from meeting, enter the data, print the form, then
> take it back to the troop at next meeting to try to find the 3 individuals
> that had done the Board of review. Then take it to council for processing
> and pick up badges, it was just easier to use paper form.
>
> I hope the future will be, go home from meeting, enter data, attatch
> electronic signatures (or BSA ID numbers) and email to council and in the
> next week, I get an envelope in the mail with the badges to present to kids
> at next meeting!
> Easier for council, saves gas and makes everybody's life easier.
>
> --- In TMTUG@... <TMTUG%40yahoogroups.com>, "smisbsa15"
> <strieglf@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just curious - I am the keeper of our (jealously guarded) troop database
> and was today contacted by our council asking me to make sure all TM paper
> advancement reports are signed - by THREE people...
> >
> > I questioned that (and got into quite a discussion with the store
> manager) since for SCOUT rank, only the SM's signature is required, no Board
> of Review. Obviously for the next 5 ranks, three signatures (of BoR members)
> ARE indeed required. And for Merit Badges, I was also asked for 3
> signatures.
> >
> > We have since sorted this out (three for ranks except for Scout, one for
> MBs), which was what I had been doing all along anyway!
> >
> > BUT could you please let me know what you do in YOUR council, and what is
> BSA's standard procedure (references?) on this... Much appreciated!
> >
> > /Frank Striegl
> > Scoutmaster, BSA Troop 15
> > Tokyo, Japan
> > I used to be an Owl
> >
>
>  
>

[bcbix001]

I do Troopmaster, electronically send data to Internet Advancement, fix the problems, then send order to council as summary list.  They pull badges and when I pick them up I give them hardcopy of Internet Advancement report with my signature and hardcopies of Board of Review form with 3 signatures for rank advancement. If I was further away, I would fax the hardcopies, they really don't seem to embrace email or electronic transfer of data from Internet Advancement.  If we don't use IA and submit a Troopmaster printout, it will delay things while they go in and enter everything.

--- In TMTUG@..., "jsiegel2001" <jsiegel2001@...> wrote:

>
> We are having the same problem!  The council wants us to use Internet advancement, but when i pointed out that i would have to go home (no internet at meeting site) from meeting, enter the data, print the form, then take it back to the troop at next meeting to try to find the 3 individuals that had done the Board of review.  Then take it to council for processing and pick up badges, it was just easier to use paper form.
>
> I hope the future will be, go home from meeting, enter data, attatch electronic signatures (or BSA ID numbers) and email to council and in the next week, I get an envelope in the mail with the badges to present to kids at next meeting!
> Easier for council, saves gas and makes everybody's life easier.
>
>
>
>
> --- In TMTUG@..., "smisbsa15" <strieglf@> wrote:
> >
> > Just curious - I am the keeper of our (jealously guarded) troop database and was today contacted by our council asking me to make sure all TM paper advancement reports are signed - by THREE people...  
> >
> > I questioned that (and got into quite a discussion with the store manager) since for SCOUT rank, only the SM's signature is required, no Board of Review.  Obviously for the next 5 ranks, three signatures (of BoR members) ARE indeed required.  And for Merit Badges, I was also asked for 3 signatures.  
> >
> > We have since sorted this out (three for ranks except for Scout, one for MBs), which was what I had been doing all along anyway!  
> >
> > BUT could you please let me know what you do in YOUR council, and what is BSA's standard procedure (references?) on this...  Much appreciated!  
> >
> > /Frank Striegl
> > Scoutmaster, BSA Troop 15
> > Tokyo, Japan
> > I used to be an Owl
> >
>

[Greg Hetzler]

I have had luck with the Adobe Digital signatures on the Council reports.
Anyone else?

Sometimes we do scan, then email, signed reports, at times with only Merit
Badges, I email just my digitally signed copy to Council.  Seems to be
working.

 

 

Greg

Committee Member, Troop 101

Marvin, NC



 

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of
jsiegel2001
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 8:45 AM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: [TMTUG] Re: Signing TM Advancement Reports

 

 

We are having the same problem! The council wants us to use Internet
advancement, but when i pointed out that i would have to go home (no
internet at meeting site) from meeting, enter the data, print the form, then
take it back to the troop at next meeting to try to find the 3 individuals
that had done the Board of review. Then take it to council for processing
and pick up badges, it was just easier to use paper form.

I hope the future will be, go home from meeting, enter data, attatch
electronic signatures (or BSA ID numbers) and email to council and in the
next week, I get an envelope in the mail with the badges to present to kids
at next meeting!
Easier for council, saves gas and makes everybody's life easier.

--- In TMTUG@... <mailto:TMTUG%40yahoogroups.com> , "smisbsa15"
<strieglf@...> wrote:
>
> Just curious - I am the keeper of our (jealously guarded) troop database
and was today contacted by our council asking me to make sure all TM paper
advancement reports are signed - by THREE people...
>
> I questioned that (and got into quite a discussion with the store manager)
since for SCOUT rank, only the SM's signature is required, no Board of
Review. Obviously for the next 5 ranks, three signatures (of BoR members)
ARE indeed required. And for Merit Badges, I was also asked for 3
signatures.
>
> We have since sorted this out (three for ranks except for Scout, one for
MBs), which was what I had been doing all along anyway!
>
> BUT could you please let me know what you do in YOUR council, and what is
BSA's standard procedure (references?) on this... Much appreciated!
>
> /Frank Striegl
> Scoutmaster, BSA Troop 15
> Tokyo, Japan
> I used to be an Owl
>




 

[sappmeritbadges]

Though we use TM, there still a few things done the old way. There is no printer or internet connection in our meeting location. I (advancements chair) bring my laptop to each meeting to ensure updates are made. Advancements/MB/Patches are hand written. Here is where technology picks back up...I then scan the form (pink copy scans best) and send to council with any other shop requests as well as who will be doing the purchasing. This gives our council time to enter information and prep our order before we arrive. This has also allowed for miss communications or errors to be cleared up quickly as I send the email at least 2 days in advance.  On other occasions I has asked for reports and receive them by email. No wasting postage and printing on the council side.  

Christine Sapp
T333
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

-----Original Message-----
From: Linda <lpinto44@...>

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:17:42
To: <TMTUG@...>
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Re: Signing TM Advancement Reports


My council (Baltimore) will take rank on internet advancement with one
signature,  I use the TM Board of Review  report and get the signatures on
that.  When I turn in the paper copy to council I attach the BOR report to
that.  So far everyone is happy.

Linda
Maryland

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, jsiegel2001 <jsiegel2001@...> wrote:

>
>
> We are having the same problem! The council wants us to use Internet
> advancement, but when i pointed out that i would have to go home (no
> internet at meeting site) from meeting, enter the data, print the form, then
> take it back to the troop at next meeting to try to find the 3 individuals
> that had done the Board of review. Then take it to council for processing
> and pick up badges, it was just easier to use paper form.
>
> I hope the future will be, go home from meeting, enter data, attatch
> electronic signatures (or BSA ID numbers) and email to council and in the
> next week, I get an envelope in the mail with the badges to present to kids
> at next meeting!
> Easier for council, saves gas and makes everybody's life easier.
>
> --- In TMTUG@... <TMTUG%40yahoogroups.com>, "smisbsa15"
> <strieglf@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just curious - I am the keeper of our (jealously guarded) troop database
> and was today contacted by our council asking me to make sure all TM paper
> advancement reports are signed - by THREE people...
> >
> > I questioned that (and got into quite a discussion with the store
> manager) since for SCOUT rank, only the SM's signature is required, no Board
> of Review. Obviously for the next 5 ranks, three signatures (of BoR members)
> ARE indeed required. And for Merit Badges, I was also asked for 3
> signatures.
> >
> > We have since sorted this out (three for ranks except for Scout, one for
> MBs), which was what I had been doing all along anyway!
> >
> > BUT could you please let me know what you do in YOUR council, and what is
> BSA's standard procedure (references?) on this... Much appreciated!
> >
> > /Frank Striegl
> > Scoutmaster, BSA Troop 15
> > Tokyo, Japan
> > I used to be an Owl
> >
>
>  
>

[Matt Price]

Christine,

You could save the PDF version on a thumb drive and print them out at
another computer.  It seems that you may be doing more work than
needed.  Just a thought.

Matt


sappmeritbadges@... wrote:

>  
>
> Though we use TM, there still a few things done the old way. There is
> no printer or internet connection in our meeting location. I
> (advancements chair) bring my laptop to each meeting to ensure updates
> are made. Advancements/MB/Patches are hand written. Here is where
> technology picks back up...I then scan the form (pink copy scans best)
> and send to council with any other shop requests as well as who will
> be doing the purchasing. This gives our council time to enter
> information and prep our order before we arrive. This has also allowed
> for miss communications or errors to be cleared up quickly as I send
> the email at least 2 days in advance. On other occasions I has asked
> for reports and receive them by email. No wasting postage and printing
> on the council side.
>
> Christine Sapp
> T333
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From*: Linda
> *Date*: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:17:42 -0400
> *To*: <TMTUG@...>
> *Subject*: Re: [TMTUG] Re: Signing TM Advancement Reports
>  
>
> My council (Baltimore) will take rank on internet advancement with one
> signature,  I use the TM Board of Review  report and get the
> signatures on that.  When I turn in the paper copy to council I attach
> the BOR report to that.  So far everyone is happy.
>
> Linda
> Maryland
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, jsiegel2001 <jsiegel2001@...
> <mailto:jsiegel2001@...>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     We are having the same problem! The council wants us to use
>     Internet advancement, but when i pointed out that i would have to
>     go home (no internet at meeting site) from meeting, enter the
>     data, print the form, then take it back to the troop at next
>     meeting to try to find the 3 individuals that had done the Board
>     of review. Then take it to council for processing and pick up
>     badges, it was just easier to use paper form.
>
>     I hope the future will be, go home from meeting, enter data,
>     attatch electronic signatures (or BSA ID numbers) and email to
>     council and in the next week, I get an envelope in the mail with
>     the badges to present to kids at next meeting!
>     Easier for council, saves gas and makes everybody's life easier.
>
>     --- In TMTUG@... <mailto:TMTUG%40yahoogroups.com>,
>     "smisbsa15" <strieglf@...> wrote:
>     >
>     > Just curious - I am the keeper of our (jealously guarded) troop
>     database and was today contacted by our council asking me to make
>     sure all TM paper advancement reports are signed - by THREE people...
>     >
>     > I questioned that (and got into quite a discussion with the
>     store manager) since for SCOUT rank, only the SM's signature is
>     required, no Board of Review. Obviously for the next 5 ranks,
>     three signatures (of BoR members) ARE indeed required. And for
>     Merit Badges, I was also asked for 3 signatures.
>     >
>     > We have since sorted this out (three for ranks except for Scout,
>     one for MBs), which was what I had been doing all along anyway!
>     >
>     > BUT could you please let me know what you do in YOUR council,
>     and what is BSA's standard procedure (references?) on this... Much
>     appreciated!
>     >
>     > /Frank Striegl
>     > Scoutmaster, BSA Troop 15
>     > Tokyo, Japan
>     > I used to be an Owl
>     >
>
>
>

[frasert]

Atlanta Area Council does the same we use TM and BOR reports with signatures
same as Linda below.  and no problems.

Tim

 

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of
Linda
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 8:18 AM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Re: Signing TM Advancement Reports

 



My council (Baltimore) will take rank on internet advancement with one
signature,  I use the TM Board of Review  report and get the signatures on
that.  When I turn in the paper copy to council I attach the BOR report to
that.  So far everyone is happy.

Linda
Maryland

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, jsiegel2001 <jsiegel2001@...> wrote:

 

We are having the same problem! The council wants us to use Internet
advancement, but when i pointed out that i would have to go home (no
internet at meeting site) from meeting, enter the data, print the form, then
take it back to the troop at next meeting to try to find the 3 individuals
that had done the Board of review. Then take it to council for processing
and pick up badges, it was just easier to use paper form.

I hope the future will be, go home from meeting, enter data, attatch
electronic signatures (or BSA ID numbers) and email to council and in the
next week, I get an envelope in the mail with the badges to present to kids
at next meeting!
Easier for council, saves gas and makes everybody's life easier.

--- In TMTUG@... <mailto:TMTUG%40yahoogroups.com> , "smisbsa15"
<strieglf@...> wrote:
>
> Just curious - I am the keeper of our (jealously guarded) troop database
and was today contacted by our council asking me to make sure all TM paper
advancement reports are signed - by THREE people...
>
> I questioned that (and got into quite a discussion with the store manager)
since for SCOUT rank, only the SM's signature is required, no Board of
Review. Obviously for the next 5 ranks, three signatures (of BoR members)
ARE indeed required. And for Merit Badges, I was also asked for 3
signatures.
>
> We have since sorted this out (three for ranks except for Scout, one for
MBs), which was what I had been doing all along anyway!
>
> BUT could you please let me know what you do in YOUR council, and what is
BSA's standard procedure (references?) on this... Much appreciated!
>
> /Frank Striegl
> Scoutmaster, BSA Troop 15
> Tokyo, Japan
> I used to be an Owl
>

[sappmeritbadges]

Still requires real signatures for advancements.  BTW I think we are the only ones this 'advanced' in our area.
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Price <admyank@...>

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:01:12
To: <TMTUG@...>
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Re: Signing TM Advancement Reports


Christine,

You could save the PDF version on a thumb drive and print them out at
another computer.  It seems that you may be doing more work than
needed.  Just a thought.

Matt


sappmeritbadges@... wrote:

>  
>
> Though we use TM, there still a few things done the old way. There is
> no printer or internet connection in our meeting location. I
> (advancements chair) bring my laptop to each meeting to ensure updates
> are made. Advancements/MB/Patches are hand written. Here is where
> technology picks back up...I then scan the form (pink copy scans best)
> and send to council with any other shop requests as well as who will
> be doing the purchasing. This gives our council time to enter
> information and prep our order before we arrive. This has also allowed
> for miss communications or errors to be cleared up quickly as I send
> the email at least 2 days in advance. On other occasions I has asked
> for reports and receive them by email. No wasting postage and printing
> on the council side.
>
> Christine Sapp
> T333
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From*: Linda
> *Date*: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:17:42 -0400
> *To*: <TMTUG@...>
> *Subject*: Re: [TMTUG] Re: Signing TM Advancement Reports
>  
>
> My council (Baltimore) will take rank on internet advancement with one
> signature,  I use the TM Board of Review  report and get the
> signatures on that.  When I turn in the paper copy to council I attach
> the BOR report to that.  So far everyone is happy.
>
> Linda
> Maryland
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, jsiegel2001 <jsiegel2001@...
> <mailto:jsiegel2001@...>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     We are having the same problem! The council wants us to use
>     Internet advancement, but when i pointed out that i would have to
>     go home (no internet at meeting site) from meeting, enter the
>     data, print the form, then take it back to the troop at next
>     meeting to try to find the 3 individuals that had done the Board
>     of review. Then take it to council for processing and pick up
>     badges, it was just easier to use paper form.
>
>     I hope the future will be, go home from meeting, enter data,
>     attatch electronic signatures (or BSA ID numbers) and email to
>     council and in the next week, I get an envelope in the mail with
>     the badges to present to kids at next meeting!
>     Easier for council, saves gas and makes everybody's life easier.
>
>     --- In TMTUG@... <mailto:TMTUG%40yahoogroups.com>,
>     "smisbsa15" <strieglf@...> wrote:
>     >
>     > Just curious - I am the keeper of our (jealously guarded) troop
>     database and was today contacted by our council asking me to make
>     sure all TM paper advancement reports are signed - by THREE people...
>     >
>     > I questioned that (and got into quite a discussion with the
>     store manager) since for SCOUT rank, only the SM's signature is
>     required, no Board of Review. Obviously for the next 5 ranks,
>     three signatures (of BoR members) ARE indeed required. And for
>     Merit Badges, I was also asked for 3 signatures.
>     >
>     > We have since sorted this out (three for ranks except for Scout,
>     one for MBs), which was what I had been doing all along anyway!
>     >
>     > BUT could you please let me know what you do in YOUR council,
>     and what is BSA's standard procedure (references?) on this... Much
>     appreciated!
>     >
>     > /Frank Striegl
>     > Scoutmaster, BSA Troop 15
>     > Tokyo, Japan
>     > I used to be an Owl
>     >
>
>
>

[Troop 322]

I guess we're rather fortunate.

 

We are a small troop and so duties double up.

 

I handle the advancement recording in TM as well as the Internet Advancement
import from TM.

 

During the IA update, when it comes time to "print" the PDF the IA
generates, I don't. In fact, I NEVER print the IA PDF.

I do, however, save it. I have a saved copy of the IA PDF as well as the TM
4403 report, the export fie AND the IA import file that TM generates. They
are all saved in a directory on my PC, called, you guessed it, Advancement.
Actually, they're all saved in a subdirectory called Internet Advancement,
within the Advancement directory. Each set is saved within a subdirectory
named with the date of the 4403 report. (Disk space is cheap after all. Less
than $100 for 1 terabyte!).

 

I have created a digital version of my signature and then, in Acrobat,
created a stamp of said signature. I then open the IA copy of the PDF and
"sign" my name on the IA report with this signature stamp. Then, I email the
signed PDF to my CC who prints it, signs it and then runs it thru a scanner
and PDFs it again. She then send it back to me. I then save that signed copy
along with the rest of the files and then send that PDF on to another
Committee Member who just happens to work a couple of miles away from the
Scout Shop. In fact, the SS is on his commute to and from home. He then
prints the PDF, adds his signature and takes the printed copy to the SS.

 

Since I record the advancement progress on Tuesday morning after the Troop
meeting Monday night, he has the fully signed 4403 by the time he leaves
work and so has 4 opportunities to get to the SS by the weekend, 5 if you
count the following Monday but that's cutting it close if anything goes
south.

 

Only time there's a granny knot in this process is when it's one of his two
sons that has a BOR. But, we have a third Committee Member who can also PDF
so we still get 3 unique signatures on the 4403 and the council is happy.

 

If I have to do more than one IA file, say we had a camping trip and did a
BOR and then did another BOR at Monday night's meeting. Then I rename the TM
files (IA import, TM export and TM 4403) before creating the second set of
files. (Personally, the lack of ability in TM to name the file is appalling.
Obviously they never thought the process thru completely. But, I am grateful
for what we do have in the product and I can get around the problem, just
wish it was a little more user friendly.)

 

Chuck

 

Charles (Chuck) Hardee
Scoutmaster, Troop 9322
Montgomery, MN

email: Troop322@...

 

  _____  

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of
sappmeritbadges@...
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 9:34 AM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Re: Signing TM Advancement Reports

 

 

Still requires real signatures for advancements. BTW I think we are the only
ones this 'advanced' in our area.

Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with SprintSpeed

  _____  

From: Matt Price
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:01:12 -0400
To: <TMTUG@...>
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Re: Signing TM Advancement Reports

 

Christine,

You could save the PDF version on a thumb drive and print them out at
another computer.  It seems that you may be doing more work than needed.
Just a thought.

Matt


sappmeritbadges@ <mailto:sappmeritbadges@...> yahoo.com wrote:

 

Though we use TM, there still a few things done the old way. There is no
printer or internet connection in our meeting location. I (advancements
chair) bring my laptop to each meeting to ensure updates are made.
Advancements/MB/Patches are hand written. Here is where technology picks
back up...I then scan the form (pink copy scans best) and send to council
with any other shop requests as well as who will be doing the purchasing.
This gives our council time to enter information and prep our order before
we arrive. This has also allowed for miss communications or errors to be
cleared up quickly as I send the email at least 2 days in advance. On other
occasions I has asked for reports and receive them by email. No wasting
postage and printing on the council side.

Christine Sapp
T333

Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with SprintSpeed


  _____  


From: Linda
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:17:42 -0400
To: <TMTUG@...>
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Re: Signing TM Advancement Reports
 

My council (Baltimore) will take rank on internet advancement with one
signature,  I use the TM Board of Review  report and get the signatures on
that.  When I turn in the paper copy to council I attach the BOR report to
that.  So far everyone is happy.

Linda
Maryland

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, jsiegel2001 <jsiegel2001@
<mailto:jsiegel2001@...> yahoo.com> wrote:

 

We are having the same problem! The council wants us to use Internet
advancement, but when i pointed out that i would have to go home (no
internet at meeting site) from meeting, enter the data, print the form, then
take it back to the troop at next meeting to try to find the 3 individuals
that had done the Board of review. Then take it to council for processing
and pick up badges, it was just easier to use paper form.

I hope the future will be, go home from meeting, enter data, attatch
electronic signatures (or BSA ID numbers) and email to council and in the
next week, I get an envelope in the mail with the badges to present to kids
at next meeting!
Easier for council, saves gas and makes everybody's life easier.

--- In TMTUG@yahoogroups. <mailto:TMTUG%40yahoogroups.com> com, "smisbsa15"
<mailto:strieglf@...> <strieglf@...> wrote:
>
> Just curious - I am the keeper of our (jealously guarded) troop database
and was today contacted by our council asking me to make sure all TM paper
advancement reports are signed - by THREE people...
>
> I questioned that (and got into quite a discussion with the store manager)
since for SCOUT rank, only the SM's signature is required, no Board of
Review. Obviously for the next 5 ranks, three signatures (of BoR members)
ARE indeed required. And for Merit Badges, I was also asked for 3
signatures.
>
> We have since sorted this out (three for ranks except for Scout, one for
MBs), which was what I had been doing all along anyway!
>
> BUT could you please let me know what you do in YOUR council, and what is
BSA's standard procedure (references?) on this... Much appreciated!
>
> /Frank Striegl
> Scoutmaster, BSA Troop 15
> Tokyo, Japan
> I used to be an Owl
>

 

[simitroop303]

If you are using a PAPER report it is taking place of the signed BOR report and must either be signed or have the signed BOR report attached to it.

INTERNET ADVANCMENT is a whole different system with it's own report.

[Troop 322]

I don't know what Internet Advancement system you're using, but the one I'm
using from the BSA produces a PDF file at the end that looks pretty close to
100% IDENTICAL to the paper 4403 report that you can get from Council. The
only difference I see between the two is that the paper report you fill out
by hand is multi-part where as the Internet Advancement version is a single
part.

 

Now, the TM generated advancement report is also pretty close to that which
is produced by the Internet Advancement system from the BSA, but I like the
crispness of the Internet Advancement version over that of the TM version.

 

 

 

Charles (Chuck) Hardee
Scoutmaster, Troop 9322
Montgomery, MN

email: Troop322@...

 

  _____  

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of
simitroop303
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:08 PM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: [TMTUG] Re: Signing TM Advancement Reports

 

 

If you are using a PAPER report it is taking place of the signed BOR report
and must either be signed or have the signed BOR report attached to it.

INTERNET ADVANCMENT is a whole different system with it's own report.

[Zman-2]

Funny.  For years, I was taking the I.A. 4403 report, and the TM 4403
before that with that quarter's awardees and turning it in with one
signature, as the boys' Scout books had the 3 BoR signatures.  Just this
week, I had to supply 3 signatures for the CoH 4403.  The Scout shop
said they (whomever) are cracking down and need 3 signatures.  So, we'll
oblige.  Problem is we have a large Troop, and many times the 4403 has
15-20 rank advancements on it.  So, we'll just have three signatures to
satisfy the requirement.

Rob

smisbsa15 wrote:

>  
>
> Just curious - I am the keeper of our (jealously guarded) troop
> database and was today contacted by our council asking me to make sure
> all TM paper advancement reports are signed - by THREE people...
>
> I questioned that (and got into quite a discussion with the store
> manager) since for SCOUT rank, only the SM's signature is required, no
> Board of Review. Obviously for the next 5 ranks, three signatures (of
> BoR members) ARE indeed required. And for Merit Badges, I was also
> asked for 3 signatures.
>
> We have since sorted this out (three for ranks except for Scout, one
> for MBs), which was what I had been doing all along anyway!
>
> BUT could you please let me know what you do in YOUR council, and what
> is BSA's standard procedure (references?) on this... Much appreciated!
>
> /Frank Striegl
> Scoutmaster, BSA Troop 15
> Tokyo, Japan
> I used to be an Owl
>

[john siegel-2]

That is the problem, Internet advancement makes it easy for the council (a simple acceptance loads the records into scoutnet), but doesn't help advancement people as it still wants report printed, signed and taken to council.  To help the volunteers, they need to go one step further.


--- In TMTUG@..., "simitroop303" <SimiTroop303@...> wrote:
>
> If you are using a PAPER report it is taking place of the signed BOR report and must either be signed or have the signed BOR report attached to it.
>
> INTERNET ADVANCMENT is a whole different system with it's own report.
>

[Greg Hetzler]

Hi

I have to say something positive here on TM and paperwork.  I say this, for
volunteers, as we have realized a great reduction in paperwork, and effort,
with the e-filing, generated by TM.  Our Local Council thrives on that as
they do not have to handle papers and really do not have to key much data in
at all.  They electronic accept our ScoutNet upload TM and, with an email of
the Signature page, the IA is passed along to the Scout Store and Badges are
sent.  It is a relatively small Council though turnaround has been days, not
weeks. When only Merit Badges are involved or Scout Rank they accept the
digital signing of the BSA form.

 

 

Greg

Troop 101, Marvin NC

 

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of
jsiegel2001
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 2:31 PM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: [TMTUG] Re: Signing TM Advancement Reports

 

 

That is the problem, Internet advancement makes it easy for the council (a
simple acceptance loads the records into scoutnet), but doesn't help
advancement people as it still wants report printed, signed and taken to
council. To help the volunteers, they need to go one step further.

--- In TMTUG@... <mailto:TMTUG%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"simitroop303" <SimiTroop303@...> wrote:
>
> If you are using a PAPER report it is taking place of the signed BOR
report and must either be signed or have the signed BOR report attached to
it.
>
> INTERNET ADVANCMENT is a whole different system with it's own report.
>

[silly.earthmen]

Our Troop is not that large, but it is not uncommon to have 2-3 boys pass a BOR in the same night.  I run the IA report, print it out, and have the BOR leads sign the report at the next meeting.  Then I mail it off.  Our council has never had a problem with it.  If they don't ask for more paperwork, I don't volunteer it.

--- In TMTUG@..., Zman <co-zman@...> wrote:

>
> Funny.  For years, I was taking the I.A. 4403 report, and the TM 4403
> before that with that quarter's awardees and turning it in with one
> signature, as the boys' Scout books had the 3 BoR signatures.  Just this
> week, I had to supply 3 signatures for the CoH 4403.  The Scout shop
> said they (whomever) are cracking down and need 3 signatures.  So, we'll
> oblige.  Problem is we have a large Troop, and many times the 4403 has
> 15-20 rank advancements on it.  So, we'll just have three signatures to
> satisfy the requirement.
>
> Rob
>
> smisbsa15 wrote:
> >  
> >
> > Just curious - I am the keeper of our (jealously guarded) troop
> > database and was today contacted by our council asking me to make sure
> > all TM paper advancement reports are signed - by THREE people...
> >
> > I questioned that (and got into quite a discussion with the store
> > manager) since for SCOUT rank, only the SM's signature is required, no
> > Board of Review. Obviously for the next 5 ranks, three signatures (of
> > BoR members) ARE indeed required. And for Merit Badges, I was also
> > asked for 3 signatures.
> >
> > We have since sorted this out (three for ranks except for Scout, one
> > for MBs), which was what I had been doing all along anyway!
> >
> > BUT could you please let me know what you do in YOUR council, and what
> > is BSA's standard procedure (references?) on this... Much appreciated!
> >
> > /Frank Striegl
> > Scoutmaster, BSA Troop 15
> > Tokyo, Japan
> > I used to be an Owl
> >
>