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From: Steffen Kammerer [mailto:steffen.kammerer@...]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:17 AM
To: Steiner, Jeffrey; toasters@...
Subject: RE: Snaplock Enterprise

I have set the retention time to 0d but it is not deleteable... I think you have to wait for at least 23 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds...
 
I have installed snaplock enterprise, so I can offline and destroy volumes to test...
 
 


From: Steiner, Jeffrey [mailto:Jeffrey.Steiner@...]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:12 PM
To: Steffen Kammerer; toasters@...
Subject: RE: Snaplock Enterprise

When you set a file to read-only with a retention time of zero days, the file should be WORM but deleteable immediately. A snaplock volume is tied to the overall aggregate, so it is correct that a Snaplock Enterprise aggregate can host only Snaplock Enteprise volumes.
 
Be extremely careful. If you commit a file with a particular retention date, you cannot delete the volume or the aggregate until all the contained files are expired. There is no back door.


From: Steffen Kammerer [mailto:steffen.kammerer@...]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:13 AM
To: toasters@...
Subject: Snaplock Enterprise

Hi all,
 
have anyone experienced snaplock enterprise?
 
I have a snaplock enterprise aggregate in which I create volumes. As far as I know the volume will inherit the snaplock enterprise. The compliance clock is also set.
 
--
 
The options of my testvol look like
 
xxxxxx> vol options testvol
nosnap=off, nosnapdir=off, minra=off, no_atime_update=on, nvfail=off,
ignore_inconsistent=off, snapmirrored=off, create_ucode=off,
convert_ucode=off, maxdirsize=20971, schedsnapname=ordinal,
fs_size_fixed=off, snaplock_enterprise, guarantee=volume,
svo_enable=off, svo_checksum=off, svo_allow_rman=off,
svo_reject_errors=off, no_i2p=off, fractional_reserve=100,
snaplock_default_period=min, snaplock_minimum_period=0d,
snaplock_maximum_period=30y, extent=off, try_first=volume_grow
 
snaplock options look like
 
xxxxxx> options snaplock
snaplock.autocommit_period   none
snaplock.compliance.write_verify off
 
--
 
If I copy data in this volume (using cifs) and change the files to read only I can not change data any more. But the snaplock_minimum_period is set to 0 days.
 
Now my final question:
 
Is it not possible to create volumes within a snaplock enterprise aggregate without using snaplock enterprise?!
 
Do you have any hints?!
 
Regards,
 
Steffen


From: Steffen Kammerer [mailto:steffen.kammerer@...]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:17 AM
To: Steiner, Jeffrey; toasters@...
Subject: RE: Snaplock Enterprise

I have set the retention time to 0d but it is not deleteable... I think you have to wait for at least 23 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds...
 
I have installed snaplock enterprise, so I can offline and destroy volumes to test...
 
 


From: Steiner, Jeffrey [mailto:Jeffrey.Steiner@...]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:12 PM
To: Steffen Kammerer; toasters@...
Subject: RE: Snaplock Enterprise

When you set a file to read-only with a retention time of zero days, the file should be WORM but deleteable immediately. A snaplock volume is tied to the overall aggregate, so it is correct that a Snaplock Enterprise aggregate can host only Snaplock Enteprise volumes.
 
Be extremely careful. If you commit a file with a particular retention date, you cannot delete the volume or the aggregate until all the contained files are expired. There is no back door.


From: Steffen Kammerer [mailto:steffen.kammerer@...]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:13 AM
To: toasters@...
Subject: Snaplock Enterprise

Hi all,
 
have anyone experienced snaplock enterprise?
 
I have a snaplock enterprise aggregate in which I create volumes. As far as I know the volume will inherit the snaplock enterprise. The compliance clock is also set.
 
--
 
The options of my testvol look like
 
xxxxxx> vol options testvol
nosnap=off, nosnapdir=off, minra=off, no_atime_update=on, nvfail=off,
ignore_inconsistent=off, snapmirrored=off, create_ucode=off,
convert_ucode=off, maxdirsize=20971, schedsnapname=ordinal,
fs_size_fixed=off, snaplock_enterprise, guarantee=volume,
svo_enable=off, svo_checksum=off, svo_allow_rman=off,
svo_reject_errors=off, no_i2p=off, fractional_reserve=100,
snaplock_default_period=min, snaplock_minimum_period=0d,
snaplock_maximum_period=30y, extent=off, try_first=volume_grow
 
snaplock options look like
 
xxxxxx> options snaplock
snaplock.autocommit_period   none
snaplock.compliance.write_verify off
 
--
 
If I copy data in this volume (using cifs) and change the files to read only I can not change data any more. But the snaplock_minimum_period is set to 0 days.
 
Now my final question:
 
Is it not possible to create volumes within a snaplock enterprise aggregate without using snaplock enterprise?!
 
Do you have any hints?!
 
Regards,
 
Steffen

Snaplock Enterprise

by Steffen Kammerer-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Hi all,
 
have anyone experienced snaplock enterprise?
 
I have a snaplock enterprise aggregate in which I create volumes. As far as I know the volume will inherit the snaplock enterprise. The compliance clock is also set.
 
--
 
The options of my testvol look like
 
xxxxxx> vol options testvol
nosnap=off, nosnapdir=off, minra=off, no_atime_update=on, nvfail=off,
ignore_inconsistent=off, snapmirrored=off, create_ucode=off,
convert_ucode=off, maxdirsize=20971, schedsnapname=ordinal,
fs_size_fixed=off, snaplock_enterprise, guarantee=volume,
svo_enable=off, svo_checksum=off, svo_allow_rman=off,
svo_reject_errors=off, no_i2p=off, fractional_reserve=100,
snaplock_default_period=min, snaplock_minimum_period=0d,
snaplock_maximum_period=30y, extent=off, try_first=volume_grow
 
snaplock options look like
 
xxxxxx> options snaplock
snaplock.autocommit_period   none
snaplock.compliance.write_verify off
 
--
 
If I copy data in this volume (using cifs) and change the files to read only I can not change data any more. But the snaplock_minimum_period is set to 0 days.
 
Now my final question:
 
Is it not possible to create volumes within a snaplock enterprise aggregate without using snaplock enterprise?!
 
Do you have any hints?!
 
Regards,
 
Steffen

RE: Snaplock Enterprise

by Willeke, Jochen :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Steffen,
 
we use snaplock as well. And yes it is true, the volumes inherit the settings from the aggregate. As your settings show your default snaplock period is 0 days (min). 0days means at least one day. So you should be able to change the data the next day. So the setting is correct. For CIFS and NTFS-sec-style there is a tool from netapp (snaplocker) which we got from one of our Netapp contacts. I think it is not available on NOW. With this tool you can change the retention time.
 
Afaik it is not possible to create vols without snaplock in an aggr with snaplock enabled.
 
Regards
 
Jochen


From: owner-toasters@... [mailto:owner-toasters@...] On Behalf Of Steffen Kammerer
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:13 AM
To: toasters@...
Subject: Snaplock Enterprise

Hi all,
 
have anyone experienced snaplock enterprise?
 
I have a snaplock enterprise aggregate in which I create volumes. As far as I know the volume will inherit the snaplock enterprise. The compliance clock is also set.
 
--
 
The options of my testvol look like
 
xxxxxx> vol options testvol
nosnap=off, nosnapdir=off, minra=off, no_atime_update=on, nvfail=off,
ignore_inconsistent=off, snapmirrored=off, create_ucode=off,
convert_ucode=off, maxdirsize=20971, schedsnapname=ordinal,
fs_size_fixed=off, snaplock_enterprise, guarantee=volume,
svo_enable=off, svo_checksum=off, svo_allow_rman=off,
svo_reject_errors=off, no_i2p=off, fractional_reserve=100,
snaplock_default_period=min, snaplock_minimum_period=0d,
snaplock_maximum_period=30y, extent=off, try_first=volume_grow
 
snaplock options look like
 
xxxxxx> options snaplock
snaplock.autocommit_period   none
snaplock.compliance.write_verify off
 
--
 
If I copy data in this volume (using cifs) and change the files to read only I can not change data any more. But the snaplock_minimum_period is set to 0 days.
 
Now my final question:
 
Is it not possible to create volumes within a snaplock enterprise aggregate without using snaplock enterprise?!
 
Do you have any hints?!
 
Regards,
 
Steffen

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RE: Snaplock Enterprise

by Steiner, Jeffrey :: Rate this Message:

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When you set a file to read-only with a retention time of zero days, the file should be WORM but deleteable immediately. A snaplock volume is tied to the overall aggregate, so it is correct that a Snaplock Enterprise aggregate can host only Snaplock Enteprise volumes.
 
Be extremely careful. If you commit a file with a particular retention date, you cannot delete the volume or the aggregate until all the contained files are expired. There is no back door.


From: Steffen Kammerer [mailto:steffen.kammerer@...]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:13 AM
To: toasters@...
Subject: Snaplock Enterprise

Hi all,
 
have anyone experienced snaplock enterprise?
 
I have a snaplock enterprise aggregate in which I create volumes. As far as I know the volume will inherit the snaplock enterprise. The compliance clock is also set.
 
--
 
The options of my testvol look like
 
xxxxxx> vol options testvol
nosnap=off, nosnapdir=off, minra=off, no_atime_update=on, nvfail=off,
ignore_inconsistent=off, snapmirrored=off, create_ucode=off,
convert_ucode=off, maxdirsize=20971, schedsnapname=ordinal,
fs_size_fixed=off, snaplock_enterprise, guarantee=volume,
svo_enable=off, svo_checksum=off, svo_allow_rman=off,
svo_reject_errors=off, no_i2p=off, fractional_reserve=100,
snaplock_default_period=min, snaplock_minimum_period=0d,
snaplock_maximum_period=30y, extent=off, try_first=volume_grow
 
snaplock options look like
 
xxxxxx> options snaplock
snaplock.autocommit_period   none
snaplock.compliance.write_verify off
 
--
 
If I copy data in this volume (using cifs) and change the files to read only I can not change data any more. But the snaplock_minimum_period is set to 0 days.
 
Now my final question:
 
Is it not possible to create volumes within a snaplock enterprise aggregate without using snaplock enterprise?!
 
Do you have any hints?!
 
Regards,
 
Steffen

RE: Snaplock Enterprise

by Steffen Kammerer-2 :: Rate this Message:

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I have set the retention time to 0d but it is not deleteable... I think you have to wait for at least 23 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds...
 
I have installed snaplock enterprise, so I can offline and destroy volumes to test...
 
 


From: Steiner, Jeffrey [mailto:Jeffrey.Steiner@...]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:12 PM
To: Steffen Kammerer; toasters@...
Subject: RE: Snaplock Enterprise

When you set a file to read-only with a retention time of zero days, the file should be WORM but deleteable immediately. A snaplock volume is tied to the overall aggregate, so it is correct that a Snaplock Enterprise aggregate can host only Snaplock Enteprise volumes.
 
Be extremely careful. If you commit a file with a particular retention date, you cannot delete the volume or the aggregate until all the contained files are expired. There is no back door.


From: Steffen Kammerer [mailto:steffen.kammerer@...]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:13 AM
To: toasters@...
Subject: Snaplock Enterprise

Hi all,
 
have anyone experienced snaplock enterprise?
 
I have a snaplock enterprise aggregate in which I create volumes. As far as I know the volume will inherit the snaplock enterprise. The compliance clock is also set.
 
--
 
The options of my testvol look like
 
xxxxxx> vol options testvol
nosnap=off, nosnapdir=off, minra=off, no_atime_update=on, nvfail=off,
ignore_inconsistent=off, snapmirrored=off, create_ucode=off,
convert_ucode=off, maxdirsize=20971, schedsnapname=ordinal,
fs_size_fixed=off, snaplock_enterprise, guarantee=volume,
svo_enable=off, svo_checksum=off, svo_allow_rman=off,
svo_reject_errors=off, no_i2p=off, fractional_reserve=100,
snaplock_default_period=min, snaplock_minimum_period=0d,
snaplock_maximum_period=30y, extent=off, try_first=volume_grow
 
snaplock options look like
 
xxxxxx> options snaplock
snaplock.autocommit_period   none
snaplock.compliance.write_verify off
 
--
 
If I copy data in this volume (using cifs) and change the files to read only I can not change data any more. But the snaplock_minimum_period is set to 0 days.
 
Now my final question:
 
Is it not possible to create volumes within a snaplock enterprise aggregate without using snaplock enterprise?!
 
Do you have any hints?!
 
Regards,
 
Steffen

RE: Snaplock Enterprise

by Steiner, Jeffrey :: Rate this Message:

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Sorry, I mentally transposed Enterprise and Compliance. In any case, the volume type is tied to the aggregate type.
 
Still, you should be able to delete the file with a retention time of 0d. That means WORM but deleteable right away. I've done it within scripts a few times where I needed a file WORM right away but there was a delay in determining what the retention time should be. The script set that later on.

RE: Snaplock Enterprise

by Steffen Kammerer-2 :: Rate this Message:

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I have set the file to Read Only exactly Monday Sep. 15, 2008 09:59am (CEST)... after 3 hours (12:59am) I can delete the file... for about 30 minutes it was not deleteable...
 
now the delay was about 3 hours.... Is it always 3 hours? Can I speed it up? How?
 
 
 
 


From: Steiner, Jeffrey [mailto:Jeffrey.Steiner@...]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:42 PM
To: Steffen Kammerer; toasters@...
Subject: RE: Snaplock Enterprise

Sorry, I mentally transposed Enterprise and Compliance. In any case, the volume type is tied to the aggregate type.
 
Still, you should be able to delete the file with a retention time of 0d. That means WORM but deleteable right away. I've done it within scripts a few times where I needed a file WORM right away but there was a delay in determining what the retention time should be. The script set that later on.

Parent Message unknown Re: Snaplock Enterprise

by Steffen Kammerer-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Hi all,

I changed the snaplock volume to 0d today in the morning. I think it took some time to make it active...
Now I can create a file, make it read only and delete it. No problem. Modifying the file is still not permitted but thats ok...

Thanks for your help.

Regards,

Steffen

-----Original Message-----
From: Steiner, Jeffrey [mailto:Jeffrey.Steiner@...]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 1:47 PM
To: Roesler, Brigitte; Steffen Kammerer
Subject: RE: Snaplock Enterprise


If you keep reading that KB article, there's a note at the bottom that explains that 0d=infinite was due to a bug. It was NOT the intended function of 0d. A retention of 0d should be immediately deleteable unless you're subject to the bug which was fixed in 7.1.2. I learned of this bug the hard way when I snaplocked about 2TB of data into infinity and had to get the entire aggregate replaced.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roesler, Brigitte [mailto:brigitte.roesler@...]
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:42 PM
> To: Steffen Kammerer
> Cc: ROESLER, BRIGITTE; Steiner, Jeffrey
> Subject: AW: Snaplock Enterprise
>
> Hello,
>
> maybe the NetApp-articel
> "https://now.netapp.com/Knowledgebase/solutionarea.asp?id=kb18
> 752" will help / will be of interest.
>
> Aggregates / Volumes created with the Snap Lock Compliance license
> cannot be changed to the Snap Lock Enterprise license.
>
> So be very careful with the snaplock options "0d", because
>     ****************************
>     0d is the same as "infinite"
>     ****************************
> .
>
> Therefore we set the minimum and default snaplock period to "1d".
>
> Best regards,
> Brigitte Rösler
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-toasters@...
> [mailto:owner-toasters@...] Im Auftrag von Steiner, Jeffrey
> Gesendet: Montag, 15. September 2008 12:42
> An: Steffen Kammerer; toasters@...
> Betreff: RE: Snaplock Enterprise
>
> Sorry, I mentally transposed Enterprise and Compliance. In any case,
> the volume type is tied to the aggregate type.
>  
> Still, you should be able to delete the file with a retention time of
> 0d. That means WORM but deleteable right away. I've done it within
> scripts a few times where I needed a file WORM right away but there
> was a delay in determining what the retention time should be. The
> script set that later on.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Steffen Kammerer [mailto:steffen.kammerer@...]
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:17 AM
> To: Steiner, Jeffrey; toasters@...
> Subject: RE: Snaplock Enterprise
>
>
> I have set the retention time to 0d but it is not deleteable... I
> think you have to wait for at least 23 hours
> 59 minutes and 59 seconds...
>
> I have installed snaplock enterprise, so I can offline and destroy
> volumes to test...
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Steiner, Jeffrey [mailto:Jeffrey.Steiner@...]
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:12 PM
> To: Steffen Kammerer; toasters@...
> Subject: RE: Snaplock Enterprise
>
>
> When you set a file to read-only with a retention time of zero days,
> the file should be WORM but deleteable immediately. A snaplock volume
> is tied to the overall aggregate, so it is correct that a Snaplock
> Enterprise aggregate can host only Snaplock Enteprise volumes.
>
> Be extremely careful. If you commit a file with a particular
> retention date, you cannot delete the volume or the aggregate until
> all the contained files are expired.
> There is no back door.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Steffen Kammerer
> [mailto:steffen.kammerer@...]
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:13 AM
> To: toasters@...
> Subject: Snaplock Enterprise
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> have anyone experienced snaplock enterprise?
>
> I have a snaplock enterprise aggregate in which I create volumes. As
> far as I know the volume will inherit the snaplock enterprise. The
> compliance clock is also set.
>
> --
>
> The options of my testvol look like
>
> xxxxxx> vol options testvol
> nosnap=off, nosnapdir=off, minra=off, no_atime_update=on,
> nvfail=off,
> ignore_inconsistent=off, snapmirrored=off, create_ucode=off,
> convert_ucode=off, maxdirsize=20971, schedsnapname=ordinal,
> fs_size_fixed=off, snaplock_enterprise, guarantee=volume,
> svo_enable=off, svo_checksum=off, svo_allow_rman=off,
> svo_reject_errors=off, no_i2p=off,
> fractional_reserve=100,
> snaplock_default_period=min, snaplock_minimum_period=0d,
> snaplock_maximum_period=30y, extent=off, try_first=volume_grow
>
> snaplock options look like
>
> xxxxxx> options snaplock
> snaplock.autocommit_period   none
> snaplock.compliance.write_verify off
>
> --
>
> If I copy data in this volume (using cifs) and change the files to
> read only I can not change data any more.
> But the snaplock_minimum_period is set to 0 days.
>
> Now my final question:
>
> Is it not possible to create volumes within a snaplock enterprise
> aggregate without using snaplock enterprise?!
>
> Do you have any hints?!
>
> Regards,
>
> Steffen
>
>


RE: Snaplock Enterprise

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Hi Jochen,

We just got snaplocker. The problem with me is its behaving funny. There is no help for it.
I changed the retneion period to 2days so form current date of 13/10 it changed to 15/10.
Then i tried to change hours, from 00 to 02:00AM .  It did change the hour but date was reset back to today's 13:00.

Also, snaplocker verbose is showing file time (hour) one-hour behind my normal time.
At first glance i was happy finally to get a tool in CIFS for this but now its a bit disappointment that its behaving so funny.

How did you find this tool and what is you experience , please share. Also if you have any docs on this it would be useful.

Thanks
Kavan


Willeke, Jochen wrote:
Hi Steffen,
 
we use snaplock as well. And yes it is true, the volumes inherit the
settings from the aggregate. As your settings show your default snaplock
period is 0 days (min). 0days means at least one day. So you should be
able to change the data the next day. So the setting is correct. For
CIFS and NTFS-sec-style there is a tool from netapp (snaplocker) which
we got from one of our Netapp contacts. I think it is not available on
NOW. With this tool you can change the retention time.
 
Afaik it is not possible to create vols without snaplock in an aggr with
snaplock enabled.
 
Regards
 
Jochen

________________________________

From: owner-toasters@mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com]
On Behalf Of Steffen Kammerer
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:13 AM
To: toasters@mathworks.com
Subject: Snaplock Enterprise


Hi all,
 
have anyone experienced snaplock enterprise?
 
I have a snaplock enterprise aggregate in which I create volumes. As far
as I know the volume will inherit the snaplock enterprise. The
compliance clock is also set.
 
--
 
The options of my testvol look like
 
xxxxxx> vol options testvol
nosnap=off, nosnapdir=off, minra=off, no_atime_update=on, nvfail=off,
ignore_inconsistent=off, snapmirrored=off, create_ucode=off,
convert_ucode=off, maxdirsize=20971, schedsnapname=ordinal,
fs_size_fixed=off, snaplock_enterprise, guarantee=volume,
svo_enable=off, svo_checksum=off, svo_allow_rman=off,
svo_reject_errors=off, no_i2p=off, fractional_reserve=100,
snaplock_default_period=min, snaplock_minimum_period=0d,
snaplock_maximum_period=30y, extent=off, try_first=volume_grow
 
snaplock options look like
 
xxxxxx> options snaplock
snaplock.autocommit_period   none
snaplock.compliance.write_verify off
 
--
 
If I copy data in this volume (using cifs) and change the files to read
only I can not change data any more. But the snaplock_minimum_period is
set to 0 days.
 
Now my final question:
 
Is it not possible to create volumes within a snaplock enterprise
aggregate without using snaplock enterprise?!
 
Do you have any hints?!
 
Regards,
 
Steffen

--
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