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Snow Leapard
by Silver Surfer-2
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I don't do 4D full time anymore. So forgive me If I ask a question that most
of you know the answer to. But I would like to move all my servers to Snow Leopard. 2 Questions: 1. What is the official stance from 4D Inc. on v11 (4) compatibility? 2. What is the "real world" opinion of the 4D Inc Stance? --Jay ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Snow Leapard
by Stephen Shaw-3
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I would be tempted to wait for 10.6.2 and 11.5 based on the
frustration of having to deal with an open document bug (whether coded or a saved set or search) that will crash 4D after 5-7 iterations. Steve On 29 Oct 2009, at 17:04, Silver Surfer wrote: > I don't do 4D full time anymore. So forgive me If I ask a question > that most > of you know the answer to. > > But I would like to move all my servers to Snow Leopard. > > 2 Questions: > > 1. What is the official stance from 4D Inc. on v11 (4) compatibility? > > 2. What is the "real world" opinion of the 4D Inc Stance? > > --Jay > ********************************************************************** > Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL > before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com > > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html > Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... > ********************************************************************** ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Snow Leapard
by Walt Nelson-4
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Jay,
I'm curious: why do you want to move all your servers to Snow Leopard? Walt Nelson - Guam Silver Surfer said: >I don't do 4D full time anymore. So forgive me If I ask a question that >most > of you know the answer to. > > But I would like to move all my servers to Snow Leopard. > > 2 Questions: > > 1. What is the official stance from 4D Inc. on v11 (4) compatibility? > > 2. What is the "real world" opinion of the 4D Inc Stance? > > --Jay ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Snow Leapard
by Silver Surfer-2
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Because I just took delivery of two shiny new 8 core X-serves and they al
have Snow Leopard on them..... Now I gotta go buy Leopard server .... If the xserves will support them. On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Walt Nelson <walt@...> wrote: > Jay, > > I'm curious: why do you want to move all your servers to Snow Leopard? > > Walt Nelson - Guam > > > Silver Surfer said: > >> I don't do 4D full time anymore. So forgive me If I ask a question that >> most >> of you know the answer to. >> >> But I would like to move all my servers to Snow Leopard. >> >> 2 Questions: >> >> 1. What is the official stance from 4D Inc. on v11 (4) compatibility? >> >> 2. What is the "real world" opinion of the 4D Inc Stance? >> >> --Jay >> > > ********************************************************************** > Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL > before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html > Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... > ********************************************************************** > Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Snow Leapard
by Silver Surfer-2
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Halleluja! There are some 10.5 server disks in the box!
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Silver Surfer <silversurfer@...>wrote: > Because I just took delivery of two shiny new 8 core X-serves and they al > have Snow Leopard on them..... > > Now I gotta go buy Leopard server .... If the xserves will support them. > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Walt Nelson <walt@...> wrote: > >> Jay, >> >> I'm curious: why do you want to move all your servers to Snow Leopard? >> >> Walt Nelson - Guam >> >> >> Silver Surfer said: >> >>> I don't do 4D full time anymore. So forgive me If I ask a question that >>> most >>> of you know the answer to. >>> >>> But I would like to move all my servers to Snow Leopard. >>> >>> 2 Questions: >>> >>> 1. What is the official stance from 4D Inc. on v11 (4) compatibility? >>> >>> 2. What is the "real world" opinion of the 4D Inc Stance? >>> >>> --Jay >>> >> >> ********************************************************************** >> Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL >> before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com >> >> 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) >> FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html >> Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html >> Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech >> Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... >> ********************************************************************** >> > > Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Snow Leapard
by Milan Adamov
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On 31.10.2009., at 07.05, Walt Nelson wrote: > > > Is there any possibility that you can wipe out the hard drives and > install a previous OS, one that you already know works well? > That is usually not an option with Apple hardware. However, you can install Leopard Server on current line of Xserver, but all the new servers will have license for Snow Leopard. On the other hand on more then one occasion my clients received Xserve with, for example, both Tiger and Leopard server disks and serial numbers. Milan ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Snow Leapard
by bill-66
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I have found that the Snow Leopard server install that has 100's of
users, with brand new 27" iMacs connected to a Snow Leopard server is the best experience of a server network I have seen. Clients really like the new Wiki, and updated iPod producer along with the iCal server and many other great included server services. We have had also a great response from clients that are looking to updating their existing server to Snow Leopard server. At a retail cost of $499 for unlimited everything, it is a package very hard to beat on any other platform. We have even looked into providing the new Mini mac server at a retail cost of $999 for our smaller clients. No, I do not work for Apple, but we would not tolerate any other platform in our office, nor would we recommend any other platform to our clients for obvious reasons. I do not want to get into the Apple vs Windows fiasco, what I am talking about is ANY OTHER platform, other than Apple. So, you may ask, do you use Windows at all, the answer is yes, to check browser compatibility. We use VMware to run Windows version, whatever is the latest, on a MacBook Pro! To me the best server, network solution is: Server: Mac xServe with Snow Leopard server Firewall: Barracuda Workstation: iMac or Mac mini with large monitor DB and middleware: 4D V11.x Proxy web server: Apache The above is about the best it can get IMHO. Okay, I am off the soapbox now... Your mileage may vary... ----------------- Bill Michling bill@... ----------------- On Oct 30, 2009, at 12:19 PM, Silver Surfer wrote: > Because I just took delivery of two shiny new 8 core X-serves and > they al > have Snow Leopard on them..... ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Snow Leapard
by Harry A. Bernstein M.D.
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RE: To me the best server, network solution is:
Server: Mac xServe with Snow Leopard server Firewall: Barracuda Workstation: iMac or Mac mini with large monitor DB and middleware: 4D V11.x Proxy web server: Apache COMMENT: Interesting...but how do you weigh in in your evaluation the fact that 4D (at this point) is only 32 bit (running on a 64 bit XSERVE Snow Leopard) and will only be available 64 bit on Windows for many years to come? Our own speed test runs 6 minutes on the XSERVE while 1 minute on the comparable XEON DELL. Even though nothing compares to Mac when it comes to operating experiences, the above mentioned point remains an issue. Or not? Regards, Harry A. Bernstein M.D. |
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Re: Snow Leapard
by Peter Jakobsson-2
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I might start looking at the Mac as a server platform for 4D Server
again, but that's going to be like going back on safari after having been mauled by a lion for me. Windows has been such a reliable and high performance platform for years (server side - the clients are all macs) that I never thought I would consider using a Mac for a database server ever again, but maybe I should ? Peter On 31 Oct 2009, at 16:13, Bill Michling wrote: > To me the best server, network solution is: > > Server: Mac xServe with Snow Leopard server > Firewall: Barracuda > Workstation: iMac or Mac mini with large monitor > DB and middleware: 4D V11.x ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Snow Leapard
by Jeffrey Kain
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Agreed - I think a Mac server right now is a dead end if you're going to
want the large memory space of 64-bit 4D Server in the future. Of course, not everyone will need 64-bit, but since servers typically have 3 or 4 year life spans (if not longer) it doesn't hurt to plan ahead. Jeff On 10/31/09 10:36 AM, "Harry A. Bernstein M.D." <hbmd2@...> wrote: > Interesting...but how do you weigh in in your evaluation the fact that 4D > (at this point) is only 32 bit (running on a 64 bit XSERVE Snow Leoaprd) and > will only be available 64 bit on Windows for many years to come? > > Our own speed test runs 6 minutes on the XSERVE while 1 minute on the > comparable XEON DELL. Even though nothing compares to Mac when it comes to > operating experiences, the above mentioned point remains an issue. Or not? ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Snow Leapard
by Chip Scheide
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this if course depends on your expectation of *when* 4D will convert
the 4D engine to Cocoa. if you think this will happen in say - 6 months then no problem if you think it will happen in 5 years then it could be an issue depending on your server's loads. On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:26:57 -0500, Jeffrey Kain wrote: > > Of course, not everyone will need 64-bit, but since servers typically have 3 > or 4 year life spans (if not longer) it doesn't hurt to plan ahead. > ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Snow Leapard
by bill-66
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I can certainly understand your concern.
At this time my main client base is all about the bottom line. I have not priced a XEON Dell server, but I would venture to say it is considerably more than an xServe with Snow Leopard server for a like configuration. Speed is of course an issue, but they are patient and at some point 4D will catch up to the 64 bit level on an xServe. > "Even though nothing compares to Mac when it comes to operating > experiences" Your quote says it all, at least for my clients. Sometimes being very consistent and reliable, although a tad slower, can win the race in the long run... ------ Bill Michling Dallas, TX 75251 On Oct 31, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Harry A. Bernstein M.D. wrote: > Interesting...but how do you weigh in in your evaluation the fact > that 4D > (at this point) is only 32 bit (running on a 64 bit XSERVE Snow > Leoaprd) and > will only be available 64 bit on Windows for many years to come? > > Our own speed test runs 6 minutes on the XSERVE while 1 minute on the > comparable XEON DELL. Even though nothing compares to Mac when it > comes to > operating experiences, the above mentioned point remains an issue. > Or not? ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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