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Some coriousities about debian package maintaining
by Sebastian Müller-4
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I didnt practice my english for a while, I am sorry for misunderstandings. If there are some points of misunderstanding, please ask me, that I am able to solve them. I am also a little unsure, if this is the correct place to ask, since I am new to debian. Today I installed a package via Apt (called tor) on a server of mine. It installed a few packages on my hdd, to name some of them: tor, privoxy, socat, tsocks. Privoxy started directly beeing a service running at boot, same goes for tor itself. Since I only wanted to use the package tor, which was promoted on https://www.torproject.org/, i removed privoxy, socat and tsocks. After I did that, I am no longer able to use apt, it is telling me all the time unmet depencies, from my log: debian:/etc/tor# apt-get upgrade Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut Lese Status-Informationen ein... Fertig Probieren Sie »apt-get -f install«, um dies zu korrigieren. Die folgenden Pakete haben nicht erfüllte Abhängigkeiten: tor: Hängt ab: tsocks ist aber nicht installiert Empfiehlt: privoxy ist aber nicht installiert oder polipo (>= 1) ist aber nicht installiert Empfiehlt: socat ist aber nicht installiert E: Nicht erfüllte Abhängigkeiten. Versuchen Sie, -f zu benutzen. As result, I opened a bugreport. Since I werent able to install reportbug (due to the failure about the depencies), I also took a look at Tor IRC. A user in #Tor told me to write a bug report, since the packages should be suggested instead of required. So, I wrote a bugreport by Mail. (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539881 ) As you can read the response has been nearly the same like: You are talking shit, they are not depencies Closed. Nevertheless, when I install Tor (apt-get install tor), the depencies are installed and Apt is morrowing when I deinstall them. I talked to the maintainer in chat, but there is no way to get a normal answer. His answers were: CRAZyBUg oh yeah this bug sucks, after removing unneeded depencies, apt stopped working saying 'privoxy, tsocks, socat needed by tor but not installed' weasel it'll be closed immediatelhy. weasel so don't bother filing it weasel because tsocks is 500 kilobytes. weasel unpacked. weasel the .deb is half that weasel and the ftp masters would bite off my head for creating a package for a single file weasel the meta data overhead and the maintenance and cpu overhead that goes with that would never justify itself weasel moving out torify is one thing, but moving out tor-resolve and tor-gencert adds another 11 or so packages weasel and I don't see the gain at all weasel also, there's little point CRAZyBUg Sebastian_: i don't care how big or small the app is. It is unneeded and it's like installing some FTP server while using apt-get install firefox weasel bullshit. weasel tsocks isn't a daemon. CRAZyBUg tsocks is unneeded for running tor, am i right, weasel? weasel it's needed for torify which is part of tor. weasel anyway, you are unlikely to change my opinion here. and you didn't even do us the courtesy of reading backlog and instead just chose to steal my time again weasel so have a nice day. bye. The thing about torify is part of tor is right, but it is used only if privoxy or something like is installed too on localhost. When you dont need privoxy/socat (due to use on a server), you dont need torify. Due to that, the tsocks depency is unneeded (like privoxy and socat). But all of them are getting installed by hitting: apt-get install tor Privoxy is a daemon running in background. WTF? I am not able to talk to weasel, since he doesnt want to talk to me anymore, as you can read in the chatlines. I were using freeBSD the last years, started using debian a few month ago. My requirement for security starts by installing as few software (and DAEMONS!!) as possible. It would be nice, if you could answer me if I am wrong using debian with that requirement. Nevertheless, weasel wasnt able to answer me how to get apt-get working without using tsocks. Maybe you are able to. I dont know how else to contact, so I hope you can help me out. hopefully, Sebastian Müller -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-REQUEST@... with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@... |
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Re: Some coriousities about debian package maintaining
by Manoj Srivastava
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On Tue, Aug 04 2009, Sebastian Müller wrote:
> Hi, > > I didn’t practice my english for a while, I am sorry for > misunderstandings. If there are some points of misunderstanding, > please ask me, that I am able to solve them. I am also a little > unsure, if this is the correct place to ask, since I am new to debian. > > Today I installed a package via Apt (called ‚tor‘) on a server of > mine. It installed a few packages on my hdd, to name some of them: > tor, privoxy, socat, tsocks. Privoxy started directly beeing a > service running at boot, same goes for tor itself. > > Since I only wanted to use the package ‚tor‘, which was promoted on > https://www.torproject.org/, i removed privoxy, socat and tsocks. --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Package: tor Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libevent1 (>= 1.3e), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), adduser, tsocks Recommends: privoxy | polipo (>= 1), socat, logrotate, tor-geoipdb Suggests: mixmaster, mixminion, anon-proxy --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Since tsocks is listed as a dependency, not as a recommends, removing that will break the package; and the package management system is warning you about it. > After I did that, I am no longer able to use apt, it is telling me all > the time „unmet depencies“, from my log: Which is indeed true, since you removed tsocks. > > As result, I opened a bugreport. Since I weren’t able to install This is not a bug. If you override the package system, and thus break it, you are now responsible for fixing it. > ‚reportbug‘ (due to the failure about the depencies), I also took a > look at Tor IRC. A user in #Tor told me to write a bug report, since > the packages should be ‚suggested‘ instead of ‚required‘. Two of the packages you removed are indeed not dependencies, namely, privoxy and socats. > So, I wrote a bugreport by Mail. > (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539881 ) > > As you can read the response has been nearly the same like: ‚You are > talking shit, they are not depencies‘ Closed. That is not what was said. If you exaggerate, it is hard to grant you any credibility. What was said was: ::] Neither privoxy nor socat are dependencies. ::] tsocks is required for torify. Which is essentially true. > Nevertheless, when I install Tor (apt-get install tor), the depencies > are installed and Apt is morrowing when I deinstall them. I talked to > the maintainer in chat, but there is no way to get a normal answer. > His answers were: > > CRAZyBUg• oh yeah this bug sucks, after removing unneeded depencies, > apt stopped working saying 'privoxy, tsocks, socat needed by tor but > not installed' I doubt that is the case. Only tsocks would have been reported. > weasel• it'll be closed immediatelhy. so don't bother filing it > weasel• because tsocks is 500 kilobytes. unpacked. > weasel• the .deb is half that and the ftp masters would bite off > weasel* my head for creating a package for a single file > weasel• the meta data overhead and the maintenance and cpu overhead > weasel* that goes with that would never justify itself > weasel• moving out torify is one thing, but moving out tor-resolve and > weasel* tor-gencert adds another 11 or so packages > weasel• and I don't see the gain at all > weasel• also, there's little point > CRAZyBUg• Sebastian_: i don't care how big or small the app is. > CRAZyBUg• It is unneeded and it's like installing some FTP server > CRAZyBUg• while using apt-get install firefox > weasel• bullshit. tsocks isn't a daemon. > CRAZyBUg• tsocks is unneeded for running tor, am i right, weasel? > weasel• it's needed for torify which is part of tor. > weasel• anyway, you are unlikely to change my opinion here. > weasel• and you didn't even do us the courtesy of reading backlog and > weasel• instead just chose to steal my time again weasel• so have a nice > weasel• day. bye. How to manage their package is up to the maintainer, and usually a great deal of latitude is granted to them. This seems like a reasonable explanation from the maintainer. > The thing about ‚torify is part of tor‘ is right, but it is used only > if privoxy or something like is installed too on localhost. When you Umm, why is this? Why can't I have a socks using application without needing a proxy? > don’t need privoxy/socat (due to use on a server), you don’t need > torify. Due to that, the tsocks depency is unneeded (like privoxy and > socat). But all of them are getting installed by hitting: apt-get torify is a simple wrapper that calls tsocks with a tor specific configuration file. I don't see tsocks being optional here, though privoxy does seem unrelated. > install tor Privoxy is a daemon running in background. WTF? You can tell aptitude not to install recommends by default. > I am not able to talk to weasel, since he doesn’t want to talk to me > anymore, as you can read in the chatlines. I were using freeBSD the > last years, started using debian a few month ago. My requirement for > security starts by installing as few software (and DAEMONS!!) as > possible. It would be nice, if you could answer me if I am wrong > using debian with that requirement. Nevertheless, weasel wasn’t able > to answer me how to get apt-get working without using tsocks. Maybe > you are able to. I don’t know how else to contact, so I hope you can > help me out. This determination needs to be made by you. I do not see this as something that the TC needs take action on. manoj -- Double! Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@...> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-REQUEST@... with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? 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Re: Some coriousities about debian package maintaining
by Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
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Hi Sebastian!
Manoj Srivastava schrieb: >> CRAZyBUg• oh yeah this bug sucks, after removing unneeded depencies, >> apt stopped working saying 'privoxy, tsocks, socat needed by tor but >> not installed' > I doubt that is the case. Only tsocks would have been reported. You might want to look at the equivs tool which can be used to "trick" the package management system (which indeed behaves correctly in the case you brought to the technical committee). Best regards, Alexander -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-REQUEST@... with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@... |
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Re: Some coriousities about debian package maintaining
by Peter Palfrader
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On Tue, 04 Aug 2009, Sebastian Müller wrote:
> Nevertheless, it seems like asking here wasn't good for me. > Just noticed, an hour after posting here... > 15:06 - You were kicked from the channel by [weasel] And again you quote from IRC selectively, misrepresenting the context. Which was the reason why you were removed from the channel in the first place. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-REQUEST@... with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@... |
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