Sort name for The Jimi Hendrix Experience

[Andrew Conkling]

Currently the sort name for The Jimi Hendrix Experience is "Hendrix, Jimi, Experience, The". I'd say that's about as jumbled as it gets. :) I don't think the past edits really defend the reasoning there on their own, but this part in Sortname Style seems to make it plain:

Artist names that contain a person's name (usually eponymous band names) sort as the person primarily, with remaining identifiers as comma-separated suffixes.

"The Jimi Hendrix Experience" has sort name "Hendrix, Jimi, Experience, The".

But why? The reasoning doesn't make any sense to me. :-/

You'll note that I didn't put an edit through; I'm not necessarily seeking to change it, just to understand why this clause is in there. :)

Thanks,

Andrew

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[Thomas Tholén-3]

I can't see what would be a better sortname, if we don't all of a
sudden would want to treat "Jimi Hendrix" as an unbreakable string of
characters. So I guess the rule is there because nothing better could
be found. Do you have a suggestion?

//[bnw]

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Andrew Conkling <andrew@...> wrote:

> Currently the sort name for The Jimi Hendrix Experience is "Hendrix, Jimi,
> Experience, The". I'd say that's about as jumbled as it gets. :) I don't
> think the past edits really defend the reasoning there on their own, but
> this part in Sortname Style seems to make it plain:
>
> Artist names that contain a person's name (usually eponymous band names)
> sort as the person primarily, with remaining identifiers as comma-separated
> suffixes."The Jimi Hendrix Experience" has sort name "Hendrix, Jimi,
> Experience, The".
>
> But why? The reasoning doesn't make any sense to me. :-/
> You'll note that I didn't put an edit through; I'm not necessarily seeking
> to change it, just to understand why this clause is in there. :)
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
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[Andrew Conkling]

On Sep 18, 2009, at 10:46, Thomas Tholén wrote:
> I can't see what would be a better sortname, if we don't all of a
> sudden would want to treat "Jimi Hendrix" as an unbreakable string of
> characters. So I guess the rule is there because nothing better could
> be found. Do you have a suggestion?

I would have intuitively put "Jimi Hendrix Experience, The" since the  
name isn't "Jimi Hendrix & The Experience", but I can understand why  
that wouldn't be ideal; the "where would you look in the record  
store?" scenario serves well here.

So yeah, I can see it on the grounds of "nothing better works", but  
that clause in the Sortname Style still doesn't make a lot of sense to  
me.
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[Kuno Woudt-2]

Hello,

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:37:28AM -0400, Andrew Conkling wrote:

> Currently the sort name for The Jimi Hendrix Experience is "Hendrix,  
> Jimi, Experience, The". I'd say that's about as jumbled as it gets. :) I
> don't think the past edits really defend the reasoning there on their
> own, but this part in Sortname Style seems to make it plain:
>
>> Artist names that contain a person's name (usually eponymous band  
>> names) sort as the person primarily, with remaining identifiers as  
>> comma-separated suffixes.
>> "The Jimi Hendrix Experience" has sort name "Hendrix, Jimi,  
>> Experience, The".
> But why? The reasoning doesn't make any sense to me. :-/

When looking in a record store, would you expect such releases under H
(for Hendrix), or J (for Jimi)?

I would probably look under 'H' first, and the sortname reflects that,
I assume it was at some point decided that most people would look for it
there, which is the only reasoning I can think of :)

(ofcourse, record stores tend to not be consistent in this either so you
 always end up looking in a few likely places, moreso if they first sort
 on genre first :).

Assuming you want to sort under 'H', you don't have many other
alternatives, "Hendrix Experience, Jimi, The" is just as confusing, and
"Hendrix Experience, The Jimi" arguably sorts worse because the least
important bit isn't at the end.

-- kuno.


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[Paul C. Bryan]

Hi Andrew:

The intent of this method was to ensure that artist names that contain
the name of persons are sorted primarily per the name of the person.
This allows for better grouping of works of an artist, regardless of
whether they perform solo or under eponymous band names. This makes it
easier for people to locate such works in sorted lists.

Paul

On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 10:37 -0400, Andrew Conkling wrote:

> Currently the sort name for The Jimi Hendrix Experience is "Hendrix,
> Jimi, Experience, The". I'd say that's about as jumbled as it gets. :)
> I don't think the past edits really defend the reasoning there on
> their own, but this part in Sortname Style seems to make it plain:
>
>
> > Artist names that contain a person's name (usually eponymous band
> > names) sort as the person primarily, with remaining identifiers as
> > comma-separated suffixes.
> >         "The Jimi Hendrix Experience" has sort name "Hendrix, Jimi,
> >         Experience, The".
> But why? The reasoning doesn't make any sense to me. :-/
>
>
> You'll note that I didn't put an edit through; I'm not necessarily
> seeking to change it, just to understand why this clause is in
> there. :)
>
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
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