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Hi Stan.  Great article about the Annapolis boat show and the author's
history with you!!  Check out Soundings magazine if you haven't seen
it.  Nice comments about the Rhodes 22 too.  Dan
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Re: Soundings magazine article featuring Stan

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thanks     what month issue    I will try and find it.

ss

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> Hi Stan.  Great article about the Annapolis boat show and the author's
> history with you!!  Check out Soundings magazine if you haven't seen
> it.  Nice comments about the Rhodes 22 too.  Dan
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Just came in the mail yesterday. Probably December.  Quite a picture painted of you and the boat.
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thanks     what month issue    I will try and find it.

ss

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> Hi Stan.  Great article about the Annapolis boat show and the author's
> history with you!!  Check out Soundings magazine if you haven't seen
> it.  Nice comments about the Rhodes 22 too.  Dan
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Re: Soundings magazine article featuring Stan

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Dan,

That was a good article.  Interesting magazine.  Not sure what kind of audience it targets.  Has a little bit of everything boating.

Just got my December issue of SAIL magazine with the best boats for 2010.  The J/95 won the best performance boat:  "Ultimately the J/95 edged out its competition by virtue of an interesting combination of features that combine to make it a potent sailing package--its centerboard...We were especially interested in the centerboard..."

What a novel idea.

Lee
1986 Rhodes22  At Ease
Kent Island, MD




Dan in NH wrote:
Just came in the mail yesterday. Probably December.  Quite a picture painted of you and the boat.
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thanks     what month issue    I will try and find it.

ss

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> Hi Stan.  Great article about the Annapolis boat show and the author's
> history with you!!  Check out Soundings magazine if you haven't seen
> it.  Nice comments about the Rhodes 22 too.  Dan
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Re: Soundings magazine article featuring Stan

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Lee, I like Soundings because it covers sailing, boats for sale, fishing
and coastal real estate.  But then I subscribe virtually every other
magazine that covers the same subjects!  Got a real kick out of the the
magazines comments about Stan and Elton and felt they paid some pretty
valid compliments to the Rhodes 22. But Stan shared his own version of
what happened in those demo sails at the boat shows.  Stan's boat was
loaded with passengers....the author was singlehanding.  Sunny and 50 in
NH....I'll take it gladly in November.  Dan

Leland wrote:

> Dan,
>
> That was a good article.  Interesting magazine.  Not sure what kind of
> audience it targets.  Has a little bit of everything boating.
>
> Just got my December issue of SAIL magazine with the best boats for 2010.
> The J/95 won the best performance boat:  "Ultimately the J/95 edged out its
> competition by virtue of an interesting combination of features that combine
> to make it a potent sailing package--its centerboard...We were especially
> interested in the centerboard..."
>
> What a novel idea.
>
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22  At Ease
> Kent Island, MD
>
>
>
>
>
> Dan in NH wrote:
>  
>> Just came in the mail yesterday. Probably December.  Quite a picture
>> painted of you and the boat.
>> ------Original Message------
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>> thanks     what month issue    I will try and find it.
>>
>> ss
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>> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:22 PM
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>>    
>>> Hi Stan.  Great article about the Annapolis boat show and the author's
>>> history with you!!  Check out Soundings magazine if you haven't seen
>>> it.  Nice comments about the Rhodes 22 too.  Dan
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Re: Soundings magazine article featuring Stan

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Is the artical from Soundings available on line?


Dan in NH wrote:
Hi Stan.  Great article about the Annapolis boat show and the author's
history with you!!  Check out Soundings magazine if you haven't seen
it.  Nice comments about the Rhodes 22 too.  Dan
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Re: Soundings magazine article featuring Stan

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Chris,
 
I don't think so.  It's "The annual rite of autumn at City Dock" on page 19 by Jack Sherwood (the Bay Tripper).
 
"...As far back as I can remember, the colorful Spitzer brothers from North Carolina have been there promoting their trailerable Rhodes 22 as the best small boat in the world.  Stan, a sailing engineer by training, handles demos on the water, and soft-spoken Elton takes care of the land demos, occasionally joined by his bro.  For this event, they had a record four boats.  These R22s are so tricked out they would surpass an expensive, working, full-scale nautical Erector Set with a dizzying array of gimmicks, gadgets and thingamajigs.
 
Stan the founder, who is in his 80s, proudly boasts of surviving in the trade with no dealers and no industry advertising.  His verbose 24-page brochure (with an amusing array of typos and 100-word sentences) reports more reasons for buying his boat than you might care to know.  He also brags about its speed, which he claims once caused an Ensign 22 helmsman being overtaken by him to remark: "Where are you hiding your motor?"  Ah, but there is no way to conceal the outboard hanging from the squared-off transom on a clunky, but clever, elevator bracket powered by an electric motor, or a block-and-tackle rig with a 7-to-1 purchase.  An awesomely impressive package, that it is.
 
Through the years I have playfully tormented Stan as he conducts demo sails in the crowded harbor (always sailing faster than him, I should add).  As he moved along close-hauled in a 15-knot breeze this last time with his 175 percent genoa deeply roller-reefed, I eagerly anticipated yet another brief encounter.
 
As we tacked about in gusty winds, I could not help but shout to Stan in close quarters: "You may be faster than a full-keel Engsign 22, but you are not faster than this full-keel Sailmaster 22!"  He smiled in a good-natured way, shook his head, but had no reply as he rolled up the sails and motored back to his slip.  My humbling mission accomplished for the day, I blasted out to the Bay while hoping for another short match with Stan before he skipped town.
 
Of course, every boat owner and boatbuilder has the obligation to state that his or her boat is better than what the competition offers in the same size range.  Stan and I are no exception to this rule.  I try to go faster than every boat out in the Bay, but I know my limitations and rarely go after the racing classes or larger boats--except if they are under excessively shortened sail or stalled by poor sailing trim.
 
As for seriously looking at show boats, I am constrained by financial limits, ironically, on all but the affordable ($45,000) Rhodes 22, whose inventive builders also offer recycled 22s, for the less-fortunate yachties.  One of these days I hope to visit the boys at the plant in Edenton, N.C., when they aren't drumming up their product on the show beat.  I hope they will have me...."
 
Lee
1986 Rhodes22  At Ease
Kent Island, MD

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Is the artical from Soundings available on line?



Dan in NH wrote:

>
> Hi Stan.  Great article about the Annapolis boat show and the author's
> history with you!!  Check out Soundings magazine if you haven't seen
> it.  Nice comments about the Rhodes 22 too.  Dan
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Re: Soundings magazine article featuring Stan

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Lee
Thanks for sharing the article.

Chris Cowie
Cowie Associates PC


On Nov 22, 2009, at 8:07 PM, "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN@...> wrote:

> Chris,
>
> I don't think so.  It's "The annual rite of autumn at City Dock" on  
> page 19 by Jack Sherwood (the Bay Tripper).
>
> "...As far back as I can remember, the colorful Spitzer brothers  
> from North Carolina have been there promoting their trailerable  
> Rhodes 22 as the best small boat in the world.  Stan, a sailing  
> engineer by training, handles demos on the water, and soft-spoken  
> Elton takes care of the land demos, occasionally joined by his bro.  
> For this event, they had a record four boats.  These R22s are so  
> tricked out they would surpass an expensive, working, full-scale  
> nautical Erector Set with a dizzying array of gimmicks, gadgets and  
> thingamajigs.
>
> Stan the founder, who is in his 80s, proudly boasts of surviving in  
> the trade with no dealers and no industry advertising.  His verbose  
> 24-page brochure (with an amusing array of typos and 100-word  
> sentences) reports more reasons for buying his boat than you might  
> care to know.  He also brags about its speed, which he claims once  
> caused an Ensign 22 helmsman being overtaken by him to remark:  
> "Where are you hiding your motor?"  Ah, but there is no way to  
> conceal the outboard hanging from the squared-off transom on a  
> clunky, but clever, elevator bracket powered by an electric motor,  
> or a block-and-tackle rig with a 7-to-1 purchase.  An awesomely  
> impressive package, that it is.
>
> Through the years I have playfully tormented Stan as he conducts  
> demo sails in the crowded harbor (always sailing faster than him, I  
> should add).  As he moved along close-hauled in a 15-knot breeze  
> this last time with his 175 percent genoa deeply roller-reefed, I  
> eagerly anticipated yet another brief encounter.
>
> As we tacked about in gusty winds, I could not help but shout to  
> Stan in close quarters: "You may be faster than a full-keel Engsign  
> 22, but you are not faster than this full-keel Sailmaster 22!"  He  
> smiled in a good-natured way, shook his head, but had no reply as he  
> rolled up the sails and motored back to his slip.  My humbling  
> mission accomplished for the day, I blasted out to the Bay while  
> hoping for another short match with Stan before he skipped town.
>
> Of course, every boat owner and boatbuilder has the obligation to  
> state that his or her boat is better than what the competition  
> offers in the same size range.  Stan and I are no exception to this  
> rule.  I try to go faster than every boat out in the Bay, but I know  
> my limitations and rarely go after the racing classes or larger  
> boats--except if they are under excessively shortened sail or  
> stalled by poor sailing trim.
>
> As for seriously looking at show boats, I am constrained by  
> financial limits, ironically, on all but the affordable ($45,000)  
> Rhodes 22, whose inventive builders also offer recycled 22s, for the  
> less-fortunate yachties.  One of these days I hope to visit the boys  
> at the plant in Edenton, N.C., when they aren't drumming up their  
> product on the show beat.  I hope they will have me...."
>
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22  At Ease
> Kent Island, MD
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@... on behalf of cowie
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>
>
>
>
> Is the artical from Soundings available on line?
>
>
>
> Dan in NH wrote:
> >
> > Hi Stan.  Great article about the Annapolis boat show and the  
> author's
> > history with you!!  Check out Soundings magazine if you haven't seen
> > it.  Nice comments about the Rhodes 22 too.  Dan
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Chris,

My 'Bay Tripper' search from the Soundings homepage produced 66 of the columns Jack Sherwood has publisher, the last of for ~29 October.  It will probably appear in their archives in another month or so, I imagine.

Art

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>
>Chris,
>
>I don't think so.  It's "The annual rite of autumn at City Dock" on page 19 by Jack Sherwood (the Bay Tripper).
>
>"...As far back as I can remember, the colorful Spitzer brothers from North Carolina have been there promoting their trailerable Rhodes 22 as the best small boat in the world.  Stan, a sailing engineer by training, handles demos on the water, and soft-spoken Elton takes care of the land demos, occasionally joined by his bro.  For this event, they had a record four boats.  These R22s are so tricked out they would surpass an expensive, working, full-scale nautical Erector Set with a dizzying array of gimmicks, gadgets and thingamajigs.
>
>Stan the founder, who is in his 80s, proudly boasts of surviving in the trade with no dealers and no industry advertising.  His verbose 24-page brochure (with an amusing array of typos and 100-word sentences) reports more reasons for buying his boat than you might care to know.  He also brags about its speed, which he claims once caused an Ensign 22 helmsman being overtaken by him to remark: "Where are you hiding your motor?"  Ah, but there is no way to conceal the outboard hanging from the squared-off transom on a clunky, but clever, elevator bracket powered by an electric motor, or a block-and-tackle rig with a 7-to-1 purchase.  An awesomely impressive package, that it is.
>
>Through the years I have playfully tormented Stan as he conducts demo sails in the crowded harbor (always sailing faster than him, I should add).  As he moved along close-hauled in a 15-knot breeze this last time with his 175 percent genoa deeply roller-reefed, I eagerly anticipated yet another brief encounter.
>
>As we tacked about in gusty winds, I could not help but shout to Stan in close quarters: "You may be faster than a full-keel Engsign 22, but you are not faster than this full-keel Sailmaster 22!"  He smiled in a good-natured way, shook his head, but had no reply as he rolled up the sails and motored back to his slip.  My humbling mission accomplished for the day, I blasted out to the Bay while hoping for another short match with Stan before he skipped town.
>
>Of course, every boat owner and boatbuilder has the obligation to state that his or her boat is better than what the competition offers in the same size range.  Stan and I are no exception to this rule.  I try to go faster than every boat out in the Bay, but I know my limitations and rarely go after the racing classes or larger boats--except if they are under excessively shortened sail or stalled by poor sailing trim.
>
>As for seriously looking at show boats, I am constrained by financial limits, ironically, on all but the affordable ($45,000) Rhodes 22, whose inventive builders also offer recycled 22s, for the less-fortunate yachties.  One of these days I hope to visit the boys at the plant in Edenton, N.C., when they aren't drumming up their product on the show beat.  I hope they will have me...."
>
>Lee
>1986 Rhodes22  At Ease
>Kent Island, MD
>
>________________________________
>
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@... on behalf of cowie
>Sent: Sun 11/22/2009 11:05 AM
>To: rhodes22-list@...
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>
>
>
>
>Is the artical from Soundings available on line?
>
>
>
>Dan in NH wrote:
>>
>> Hi Stan.  Great article about the Annapolis boat show and the author's
>> history with you!!  Check out Soundings magazine if you haven't seen
>> it.  Nice comments about the Rhodes 22 too.  Dan
>> __________________________________________________
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