Nabble - Squishdot

Re: Trouble migrating squishdot site from zope 2.7 to 2.9 (sarge to etch Debian)

2008-12-15T22:52:59Z

--- In squishdot@..., Chris Withers <chris@...> wrote:
>
> Victor Martinez wrote:
> >
> > That is from zope 2.7 to 2.9
> Can we have specific versions please?
Sarge:
ii python2.3 2.3.5-3sarge2 An interactive high-level object-oriented
ii zope-pts 1.2-rc1-2 placeless translation service for zope
ii zope2.7 2.7.5-2sarge4 Open Source Web Application Server
squishdot 1.5.0

To
Etch
ii python 2.4.4-2
ii zope-common 0.5.31 common
settings and scripts for zope install
ii zope-tinytableplus 0.9-16
Present tabular data in Zope
ii zope2.9 2.9.6-4etch1 Open
Source Web Application Server
ii squishdot 1.5.0-6
Web-based News/Discussion System
Also tested the same version of sarge Products/

>
> > I have tried http://www.squishdot.org/1135229156/index_html
> > <http://www.squishdot.org/1135229156/index_html> first,
>
> What exactly did you try?
I take my zope install on sarge (by the way it has the akismet hack
and someothers that have been suggested in this list) create the
fixdot script, the first time I ran fixdot via ZMI I got a list of the
id & msg that where fixed and the done msg (I checked and double
checked the script as if has no correct tabs on python 2.3 returns
errors) then on Etcho I created a new instance of Zope, but only
preserved, bin/ & etc/ ,then copied the content of Products/ & var/
(for Data.fs) to have my old data. This is done on the same machine on
diferent ports on 2 diferent chroots one for sarge and other for etch.

On etch I start zope got the warnings of 2.11, on event.log got:

2008-12-15T22:32:31 INFO ZServer HTTP server started at Mon Dec 15 22:32:31 2008
Hostname: 0.0.0.0
Port: 9090
------
2008-12-15T22:32:31 INFO Zope Set effective user to "zope"
------
------
2008-12-15T22:32:34 INFO Zope Ready to handle requests
------
2008-12-15T22:33:22 WARNING ZODB Could not import class 'intSet' from
module 'intSet'
------
2008-12-15T22:33:29 WARNING ZODB Could not import class 'UnIndex' from
module 'SearchIndex.UnIndex'
------
2008-12-15T22:33:29 WARNING ZODB Could not import class 'UnTextIndex'
from module 'SearchIndex.UnTextIndex'

If open the site got:
Error

Se encontró un error durante la publicación del recurso.

Tipo de error: AttributeError
Valor: __getitem__

(Also one of our devs long gone, modified in some parts squish and
translated others to spanish)

If I go to the ZMI and manage the squish when clic on view I get:
Error

Se encontró un error durante la publicación del recurso.

Tipo de error: AttributeError
Valor: __getitem__

Same on postings tab, moderation works until I give a post to delete, then got:
Error

Se encontró un error durante la publicación del recurso.

Tipo de error: AttributeError
Valor: has_key

And infact I think when I try to recatalog all post got:
------
2008-12-16T00:33:11 WARNING ZODB Could not import class 'UnIndex' from
module 'SearchIndex.UnIndex'
------
2008-12-16T00:33:11 WARNING ZODB Could not import class 'UnTextIndex'
from module 'SearchIndex.UnTextIndex'

On event.log.

Also attemped what I found in the FAQ of Debian for Zope2.9:
Upgrading from Earlier Versions of Zope

1. How can I upgrade to Zope 2.8?

The usual procedure when installing a new version of Zope is:

- Create a new instance (see doc/INSTALL.txt).

- Copy the var/Data.fs file from your old instance into your
new instance's var/ directory.

It is best to do this while the old instance is not running;
alternatively, you can use repozo.py as described at
http://www.zope.org/Wikis/ZODB/FileStorageBackup
to make a live backup, then create a new Data.fs from that
backup in your new instance.

Keep your old Data.fs in the old instance as a backup.

- Copy the Products and Extensions directories from your old
instance into the new instance.

Leave the old instance directories intact as a backup.

- Update etc/zope.conf with any changes you made in your
old instance. (Likewise for zeo.conf if you are using zeo.)

- Start the new instance. (Be sure the old instance is not running.)

- Update any ZCatalogs as described below.

- Update any Python Scripts. This is not strictly necessary,
but it will make Zope restart somewhat faster. Visit this URL
in your browser:

http://.../manage_addProduct/PythonScripts/recompile
2. After moving my old Data.fs to Zope 2.8 I get an
"AttributeError, _length" when trying to use the ZCatalog?

In Zope 2.8 we cleaned up the index implementations and therefore
you need to migrate every single ZCatalog manually.

Notice: **YOU SHOULD BACKUP YOUR var/Data.fs file before starting
the migration**, see http://www.zope.org/Wikis/ZODB/FileStorageBackup
for backup instructions.

To perform the migration:

- go to the ZMI

- click on your ZCatalog instance (or portal_catalog inside
your CMF or Plone instance)

- you will get an "AttributeError, _length"...don't panic

- call the "manage_convertIndexes" method of the ZCatalog
(by replacing the "manage_main" part of the URL with
"manage_convertIndexes")

- depending on the size of your ZCatalog the migration may
take a while

- after the conversion a message will appear: "Indexes
converted and reindexed"

When try the manage_converIndexes I got:
Indexes converted and reindexed (2008-12-16 00:39)

But still no luck.

So I'm stuck my boss want's zope + squishdot and I'm not savvy on
python and zope... any help or ideas are welcomed.

Chris, thanks I re-readed my first post and yes is very short and
don't say to much.

--
The only constant is the change

Re: Trouble migrating squishdot site from zope 2.7 to 2.9 (sarge to etch Debian)

2008-12-11T01:19:10Z

Victor Martinez wrote:
>
> That is from zope 2.7 to 2.9

Can we have specific versions please?

> I have tried http://www.squishdot.org/1135229156/index_html
> <http://www.squishdot.org/1135229156/index_html> first,

What exactly did you try?

> my sarge chroot, next thing I do is move all the instance to etch and
> from the default instance that I create there replace the contents of
> instance/bin to run squish.

This doesn't make much sense, perhaps you could say exactly what you did?

> /var/lib/zope2.9/instance/default/Products/Squishdot/__init__.py:13:
> DeprecationWarning: The ImageFile module will be removed in Zope 2.11.
> Use App.ImageFile instead.
> from ImageFile import ImageFile
> /usr/lib/zope2.9/lib/python/OFS/Application.py:830:
> DeprecationWarning: __init__.py of Products.Squishdot has a long
> deprecated 'methods' attribute. 'methods' support might be removed in
> Zope 2.11 or a later feature release. Please use the 'legacy' argument
> of registerClass instead if the methods are constructors. Or refactor
> the product using adapters.
> DeprecationWarning)
> /usr/lib/zope2.9/lib/python/OFS/Application.py:796:
> DeprecationWarning: __init__.py of Products.TinyTablePlus has a long
> deprecated '__ac_permissions__' attribute. '__ac_permissions__' will
> be ignored by install_product in Zope 2.11. Please use registerClass
> instead.
> DeprecationWarning)
> /usr/lib/zope2.9/lib/python/OFS/Application.py:811:
> DeprecationWarning: __init__.py of Products.TinyTablePlus has a long
> deprecated 'meta_types' attribute. 'meta_types' will be ignored by
> install_product in Zope 2.11. Please use registerClass instead.
> DeprecationWarning)
> /usr/lib/zope2.9/lib/python/OFS/Application.py:830:
> DeprecationWarning: __init__.py of Products.TinyTablePlus has a long
> deprecated 'methods' attribute. 'methods' support might be removed in
> Zope 2.11 or a later feature release. Please use the 'legacy' argument
> of registerClass instead if the methods are constructors. Or refactor
> the product using adapters.
> DeprecationWarning)

These can all be safely ignored until you move to Zope 2.11 ;-)

> Until here all good I can access the zope interface but when I try to
> use squish I got:
>
> Tipo de error: AttributeError
> Valor: __getitem__
>
> The really weird is that if I create a new squishdot site it works...

Not really weird at all. You say you read the article where I posted the
explanation and fix for this, yet it doesn't look like you actually used
the fix ;-)

cheers,

Chris

--
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- http://www.simplistix.co.uk

Trouble migrating squishdot site from zope 2.7 to 2.9 (sarge to etch Debian)

2008-12-10T15:36:08Z

That is from zope 2.7 to 2.9
I have tried http://www.squishdot.org/1135229156/index_html first, on
my sarge chroot, next thing I do is move all the instance to etch and
from the default instance that I create there replace the contents of
instance/bin to run squish.

So I go to instance/bin and do ./runzope that get me:
./runzope
/var/lib/zope2.9/instance/default/Products/Squishdot/__init__.py:13:
DeprecationWarning: The ImageFile module will be removed in Zope 2.11.
Use App.ImageFile instead.
from ImageFile import ImageFile
/usr/lib/zope2.9/lib/python/OFS/Application.py:830:
DeprecationWarning: __init__.py of Products.Squishdot has a long
deprecated 'methods' attribute. 'methods' support might be removed in
Zope 2.11 or a later feature release. Please use the 'legacy' argument
of registerClass instead if the methods are constructors. Or refactor
the product using adapters.
DeprecationWarning)
/usr/lib/zope2.9/lib/python/OFS/Application.py:796:
DeprecationWarning: __init__.py of Products.TinyTablePlus has a long
deprecated '__ac_permissions__' attribute. '__ac_permissions__' will
be ignored by install_product in Zope 2.11. Please use registerClass
instead.
DeprecationWarning)
/usr/lib/zope2.9/lib/python/OFS/Application.py:811:
DeprecationWarning: __init__.py of Products.TinyTablePlus has a long
deprecated 'meta_types' attribute. 'meta_types' will be ignored by
install_product in Zope 2.11. Please use registerClass instead.
DeprecationWarning)
/usr/lib/zope2.9/lib/python/OFS/Application.py:830:
DeprecationWarning: __init__.py of Products.TinyTablePlus has a long
deprecated 'methods' attribute. 'methods' support might be removed in
Zope 2.11 or a later feature release. Please use the 'legacy' argument
of registerClass instead if the methods are constructors. Or refactor
the product using adapters.
DeprecationWarning)

Until here all good I can access the zope interface but when I try to
use squish I got:

Tipo de error: AttributeError
Valor: __getitem__

The really weird is that if I create a new squishdot site it works...

Any help would be apretiated.

--
The only constant is the change

'PersistentMapping' not defined

2008-08-12T11:16:50Z

Hi Chris, When I try to change a rightbox_items title or even not
change anything and try to save it out I get this error thrown:

Site Error

An error was encountered while publishing this resource.

NameError
Sorry, a site error occurred.

Traceback (innermost last):

* Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 194, in publish_module_standard
* Module Products.PlacelessTranslationService.PatchStringIO, line
34, in new_publish
* Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 146, in publish
* Module Zope2.App.startup, line 222, in zpublisher_exception_hook
* Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 115, in publish
* Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply
* Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 41, in call_object
* Module Products.TinyTablePlus.TinyTablePlus, line 446, in manage_editData
* Module Products.TinyTablePlus.TinyTablePlus, line 509, in _GenerateIndex

NameError: global name 'PersistentMapping' is not defined (Also, the
following error occurred while attempting to render the standard error
message, please see the event log for full details:
'standard_html_header')

Re: sorting on recent reply

2008-04-07T06:09:52Z

Dear Chris

2008/4/7, Chris Withers <chris@...>:

> This is actually quite tricky.
>
> How I'd probably do it is:
>

THX for your input. Though i suppose it hardly ever can be implemented by an
ortho surgeon which actually i am :-(
So it would be greatly appreciated if somebody of Squishdot/Zope gurus would
magically do the trick. Unlimited beer will be provided ;-)
--
Best regards,
Alexander N. Chelnokov
Ural Scientific Research Institute
of Traumatology and Orthopaedics
7, Bankovsky str. Ekaterinburg 620014 Russia

Re: sorting on recent reply

2008-04-07T03:28:04Z

Hi Alex,

Alexander Chelnokov wrote:
> How messages can be sorted by date/time of recent posting in the thread? To
> have posts with most recent reply at the top of front page. THX in advance.

This is actually quite tricky.

How I'd probably do it is:

- add a last_updated attribute to your Articles
- update this is addPosting method *of* articles (ie: when a reply is
added)
- add an index for this attribute in the Squishdot Site (which is a
ZCatalog, even though it pretends not to be ;-) )
- change whatver you want to show the articles sorted by datetime of
most recent reply to use a catalog search that sorts based on this index.

cheers,

Chris

--
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
- http://www.simplistix.co.uk

sorting on recent reply

2008-04-06T11:44:56Z

Hello

How messages can be sorted by date/time of recent posting in the thread? To
have posts with most recent reply at the top of front page. THX in advance.

--
Best regards,
Alexander N. Chelnokov
Ural Scientific Research Institute
of Traumatology and Orthopaedics
7, Bankovsky str. Ekaterinburg 620014 Russia

sorting on recent reply

2008-04-06T11:01:23Z

Hello

How messages can be sorted by date/time of recent posting in the thread? To have posts with most recent reply at the top of front page. THX in advance.

Re: Squishdot.org posting disabled, use CAPTCHA?

2007-11-19T01:58:54Z

Ignacio Valdes wrote:
> I see that Squishdot.org posting is disabled, probably because of
> spam.

Well, that and the low volume of posts.

> My sites were overrun but I implemented a simple CAPTCHA and all
> has been well for a year now.

Yeah, I've done this one one of my other sites, but for squishdot.org I
preferred just to direct people to the mailing list.

cheers,

Chris

--
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
- http://www.simplistix.co.uk

Squishdot.org posting disabled, use CAPTCHA?

2007-11-18T11:45:00Z

I see that Squishdot.org posting is disabled, probably because of
spam. My sites were overrun but I implemented a simple CAPTCHA and all
has been well for a year now. The Squish UI has been surprisingly
durable over nearly 8 years. I've even been able to re-open
un-moderated replies after having to lock it down for awhile. -- IV

Re: Moving large site to Zope 2.9.3

2007-11-18T02:18:13Z

Ignacio Valdes wrote:
> * Module Products.Squishdot.SquishSite, line 151, in recatalogPostings
> * Module Products.Squishdot.SquishSite, line 390, in get_wrapped_posting
>
> AttributeError: __getitem__ (Also, the following error occurred while
> attempting to render the standard error message, please see the event
> log for full details: 'standard_html_header')

Remember this post? ;-)

http://www.squishdot.org/1135229156/index_html

It'll be the same problem or something similar.

If you continue to have problems, might be best to contact me off-list...

cheers,

Chris

--
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
- http://www.simplistix.co.uk

Moving large site to Zope 2.9.3

2007-11-17T18:43:16Z

Hello all,

I'm moving Linux Medical News to Zope 2.9.3 The site is huge now with
over 1400 postings. I've moved small sites without problems. I'm
getting this problem when I try to import it into a Zope 2.9.3
instance which I've successfully imported other small zope sites:

Traceback (innermost last):

* Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 194, in publish_module_standard
* Module Products.PlacelessTranslationService.PatchStringIO, line
34, in new_publish
* Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 146, in publish
* Module Zope2.App.startup, line 222, in zpublisher_exception_hook
* Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 115, in publish
* Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply
* Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 41, in call_object
* Module OFS.ObjectManager, line 586, in manage_importObject
* Module OFS.ObjectManager, line 608, in _importObjectFromFile
* Module OFS.ObjectManager, line 331, in _setObject
* Module zope.event, line 23, in notify
* Module zope.app.event.dispatching, line 66, in dispatch
* Module zope.component, line 181, in subscribers
* Module zope.component.site, line 89, in subscribers
* Module zope.interface.adapter, line 481, in subscribers
* Module zope.app.event.objectevent, line 192, in objectEventNotify
* Module zope.component, line 181, in subscribers
* Module zope.component.site, line 89, in subscribers
* Module zope.interface.adapter, line 481, in subscribers
* Module OFS.subscribers, line 114, in dispatchObjectMovedEvent
* Module OFS.subscribers, line 137, in callManageAfterAdd
* Module Products.Squishdot.SquishSite, line 161, in manage_afterAdd
* Module Products.Squishdot.SquishSite, line 144, in updateIndexing
* Module Products.Squishdot.SquishSite, line 151, in recatalogPostings
* Module Products.Squishdot.SquishSite, line 390, in get_wrapped_posting

AttributeError: __getitem__ (Also, the following error occurred while
attempting to render the standard error message, please see the event
log for full details: 'standard_html_header')

Effective captcha created.

2007-04-04T09:47:37Z

Hello all,

I've created an effective captcha which consists of putting a captcha into
Images and editing addPostingForm, validatePosting in the ZMI and
editPostingForm.dtml on the filesystem.

This needs to be added to addPostingForm and editPostingForm.dtml
<img src="Images/visual-captcha.php.jpg"
/> 
">Enter the
above code
(*Required) 
<INPUT TYPE="TEXT" NAME="validation_code"
VALUE="" SIZE=8>

then to validatePosting change and add the lines to the two if statements at
the end of the file.
not raw.get('summary') or \
not raw.get('validation_code') == 'CAPTCHACODE':

return Processed,'You must enter a title, author, subject,
summary and correct validation code!' + str(cmp(raw.get
('validation_code'),'CAPTCHACODE'))

-- IV

Re: Getting spammed a lot, ringtones and drugs.

2006-05-03T20:32:09Z

Heheh, Chris, you are the same today as when squishdot was alpha. Time hath
not tempered thee.

Gimme a break. Don't blame the concept for one or two bad implementations of
it. I decided to run an informal survey of users on some forums.... not one
person had a similar complaint to yours. The only one was that occasionally
they are a bit hard to discern if you have a visual or perceptual
impairment, so an auditory option migh be a benifit.

Most responsible users with special needs recognize the problem and
pre-write the comment in notpad (I haveb been working with the disabled
since the early nineties by the way).

No, I do not blame "Lazy" moderators who may spend far more time dealing
with spam bots than they do moderating human responses (which is what
moderator are supposed to do as I am the admin). I blame lazy users who will
not take even the most rudementary steps to ensure their work is not lost,
and help us prevent spam. Instead they get pissed off at the tech, or the
admin who is trying his best to fight a loosing war.

Thats what infuriates me.

>From: Chris Withers <chris@...>
>Reply-To: squishdot@...
>To: squishdot@...
>Subject: Re: [squishdot] Getting spammed a lot, ringtones and drugs.
>Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:18:52 +0100
>
>Shad Young wrote:
> > I am curious why you would hate captchas?
>
>Because I find them exceedingly difficult to use. Distorting letters and
>overlaying them with graphics doesn't only screw things up for machines.
>There's very little that infuriates me more than typing a long comment,
>getting that captcha wrong and then having the damn forum forget the
>whole comment I just typed :-(
>
> > I suspect most of us have dealt
> > with spam enough as users to recognize and appreciate what would appear
>to
> > be an attempt to control spam.
>
>Moderation, simple rules, and maybe, just maybe, captchas that involve
>no graphics (as Gari described)....
>
> > By providing a captcha a human can see the site is run by humans for
>humans.
>
>Rubbish. To me it says the moderator of the site can't be bothered to do
>his or her job properly and so annoys the users of the site by putting
>on something which they might well get wrong and which is there to
>server no direct benefit to them...
>
> > The one or two users who turn away because of such a registration
> > verification scheme, is not the kind of user I want on my site.
>
>Fine, but I still hate them, and I wholeheartedly disagree with you...
>
>cheers,
>
>Chris
>
>--
>Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
> - http://www.simplistix.co.uk
>

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Re: Getting spammed a lot, ringtones and drugs.

2006-05-03T02:18:52Z

Shad Young wrote:
> I am curious why you would hate captchas?

Because I find them exceedingly difficult to use. Distorting letters and
overlaying them with graphics doesn't only screw things up for machines.
There's very little that infuriates me more than typing a long comment,
getting that captcha wrong and then having the damn forum forget the
whole comment I just typed :-(

> I suspect most of us have dealt
> with spam enough as users to recognize and appreciate what would appear to
> be an attempt to control spam.

Moderation, simple rules, and maybe, just maybe, captchas that involve
no graphics (as Gari described)....

> By providing a captcha a human can see the site is run by humans for humans.

Rubbish. To me it says the moderator of the site can't be bothered to do
his or her job properly and so annoys the users of the site by putting
on something which they might well get wrong and which is there to
server no direct benefit to them...

> The one or two users who turn away because of such a registration
> verification scheme, is not the kind of user I want on my site.

Fine, but I still hate them, and I wholeheartedly disagree with you...

cheers,

Chris

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Re: Getting spammed a lot, ringtones and drugs.

2006-05-02T08:49:34Z

I am curious why you would hate captchas? I suspect most of us have dealt
with spam enough as users to recognize and appreciate what would appear to
be an attempt to control spam.

By providing a captcha a human can see the site is run by humans for humans.
The one or two users who turn away because of such a registration
verification scheme, is not the kind of user I want on my site.

Cheers
Shad

>From: Chris Withers <chris@...>
>Reply-To: squishdot@...
>To: squishdot@...
>Subject: Re: [squishdot] Getting spammed a lot, ringtones and drugs.
>Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 15:38:03 +0100
>
>Yeah, I really would plead with you not to use this kind of solution.
>
>I _hate_ them...
>
>Maybe you could have a look at tweaking your validatePosting method to
>not allow postings with certain phrases or from certain domains?
>
>cheers,
>
>Chris
>
>Robert Porter wrote:
> > I think its called a captcha. There is some serious accessibility
> > issues though.
>http://ecommerce.ncsu.edu/csc413/student-work/captchas.htm
> >
> > ivhalpc wrote:
> > > Hi all, I'm getting spammed a lot lately, ringtones and drugs and
> > > such. I'm thinking about implementing one of those enter a code from
>a
> > > bitmap things to post. Not sure where to obtain such a bitmap other
> > > than making one myself. Has anyone done this already? -- IV
>
>--
>Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
> - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

Re: Getting spammed a lot, ringtones and drugs.

2006-05-02T04:15:46Z

ivhalpc wrote:

>Hi all, I'm getting spammed a lot lately, ringtones and drugs and
>such. I'm thinking about implementing one of those enter a code from a
>bitmap things to post. Not sure where to obtain such a bitmap other
>than making one myself. Has anyone done this already? -- IV
>
>
Some ideas:

Our solution
========

We ended up sending a confirmation e-mail and asking the user to click
somewhere to validate his posting.

But that solution led us to e-mail spamming, as the mail sending utility
wasn't sure enough and allowed attackers to inject sendmail headers and
use our servers to spam others, which is even worse! Now we have
configured our sendmail and managed to control the situation.

Complex solution
===========

You could use http://captchas.net/ to let them generate the captchas for
you. But you know, many users hate them.

Simple solution
==========

Why don't you develop a simple home made captcha system, based in a
dozen of silly questions with known answers? for example adding extra
form fields to your addPostingForm with questions like:

- Write down number 2 in letters:

- Which is the first name of George W. Bush?

- 2 + 2 ?

- ...

You could prepare 10 questions like that and then modify them quickly if
someone manages to program the answers. They will do it twice, and will
forget you the third time you modify the silly questions.

Simplest and definitive one
==================

This solution could be implemented in the basic Squishdot: just parsing
and adding a rel="nofollow" to every link shown in titles and body of
comments. No one would be interested on programming a robot to spam on
Squishdot sites.

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Re: Getting spammed a lot, ringtones and drugs.

2006-05-01T10:58:44Z

At Mon, 1 May 2006 12:34:20 +0000 ivaldes@... wrote:

>Hi all, I'm getting spammed a lot lately, ringtones and drugs and
>such. I'm thinking about implementing one of those enter a code from a
>bitmap things to post. Not sure where to obtain such a bitmap other
>than making one myself. Has anyone done this already? -- IV

I've been getting spam too. I had to switch the replies to moderate,
which i'm not happy about, but it doesn't take a minute to delete all
the spam in the ZMI.

It's always a few spoiling it for the rest isn't it? The internet's
greatest bit of code, the mailto: tag has been trashed for years by the
antisocial.

I know someone whose mum was a professional spammer. Sounded pretty sad,
sitting alone at home, trying to monetise your (doubtless crumbling)
social networks, before moving on to polluting others'.

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Re: Getting spammed a lot, ringtones and drugs.

2006-05-01T08:38:03Z

Yeah, I really would plead with you not to use this kind of solution.

I _hate_ them...

Maybe you could have a look at tweaking your validatePosting method to
not allow postings with certain phrases or from certain domains?

cheers,

Chris

Robert Porter wrote:
> I think its called a captcha. There is some serious accessibility
> issues though. http://ecommerce.ncsu.edu/csc413/student-work/captchas.htm
>
> ivhalpc wrote:
> > Hi all, I'm getting spammed a lot lately, ringtones and drugs and
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> > bitmap things to post. Not sure where to obtain such a bitmap other
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Re: Getting spammed a lot, ringtones and drugs.

2006-05-01T06:53:55Z

I think its called a captcha. There is some serious accessibility
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Getting spammed a lot, ringtones and drugs.

2006-05-01T06:34:20Z

Hi all, I'm getting spammed a lot lately, ringtones and drugs and
such. I'm thinking about implementing one of those enter a code from a
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Re: What is a Stepper job?

2006-04-10T14:31:43Z

Jonathan Mark wrote:

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> --- Chris Withers <chris@...> wrote:
> >
> > An external method or a Stepper job is probably the
> > easiest way to do
> > what you want...
>
> I have been reading about Zope and using it since
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> Where is it written up?

http://www.simplistix.co.uk/software/zope/stepper

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What is a Stepper job?

2006-04-10T11:56:59Z

--- Chris Withers <chris@...> wrote:
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> easiest way to do
> what you want...

I have been reading about Zope and using it since
2002. What is a Stepper job?

Where is it written up?

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Re: Dumping Articles/Comments

2006-04-10T11:02:07Z

apowers313 wrote:
> I'm looking to write some DTML that will dump the
> title/author/date/text of each article along with the
> title/author/date/text of each one of its comments. Does anyone know of
> an easy way to do this?

I'd do it in python.

Then I'd look at the data structures in SquishSite.py.

An external method or a Stepper job is probably the easiest way to do
what you want...

Of course, you could always just bastardise the root index_html dtml
method to do what you want :-)

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Dumping Articles/Comments

2006-04-08T13:24:39Z

I'm looking to write some DTML that will dump the
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Re: Mailhost doesn't seem to work.

2006-03-13T02:39:32Z

Is your MailHost really working?

Just write a test script outside Squishdot and try to send mails, so
that you confirm that your Zope is able to send mails.

Gari

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Mailhost doesn't seem to work.

2006-03-13T02:24:08Z

Hi, I don't seem to be able to get e-mail notification that someone
has posted to a Squish site with Mailhost set to localhost, port 25,
Authentication ID and password set to blank. Any thoughts or ideas?
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Re: Possible Solution To Squishdot Spambot

2006-03-08T01:21:53Z

Hi Jonathan,

jonathansamuel wrote:
> Today was a heavy workday for the Squishdot Spambot. It sent me dozens
> of gift-postings, a new high.

I don't think this spammer thing is Squishdot-specific, my guess is it
was targeting something more general, but who knows :-S

> I got fed up. I went into the validatePosting Python Script object in
> the ZMI. I modified it in the following type of manner so that it says:

Ah, good call, I knew there was a reason I made validatePosting a python
script ;-)

> if posting.meta_type=='Article':
>
> if not raw.get('title') or \
> not raw.get('author') or \
> raw.get('author').count("your banned Spambot text here") >= 1 or \

raw.get('author').index("xxx")!=-1

...would be slightly quicker.

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Possible Solution To Squishdot Spambot

2006-03-07T20:20:51Z

Today was a heavy workday for the Squishdot Spambot. It sent me dozens
of gift-postings, a new high.

I got fed up. I went into the validatePosting Python Script object in
the ZMI. I modified it in the following type of manner so that it says:

if posting.meta_type=='Article':

if not raw.get('title') or \
not raw.get('author') or \
raw.get('author').count("your banned Spambot text here") >= 1 or \
not raw.get('subject') or \
not raw.get('summary'):

return Processed,'You must enter a title, author, subject and
summary!'

elif posting.meta_type=='Comment':

if not raw.get('title') or \
not raw.get('author') or \
raw.get('author').count("your banned Spambot text here") >= 1 or \
not raw.get('body'):

This change appears to stop me from posting Spambot-type gibberish
manually. It remains to be seen if it will stop the Squishdot Spambot.

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Re: More detailed RSS?

2006-03-02T06:20:46Z

Thanks! I tried this and it gave me: 'No name given, for tag
<dtml-var>, on line 18 of rdf'

<dtml-comment >

</dtml-comment><dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('content-type',
'text/rdf')"><?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE rss PUBLIC "-//Netscape Communications//DTD RSS 0.91//EN"
"http://my.netscape.com/publish/formats/rss-0.91.dtd" >
<rss version="2.0" dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">
<channel>
<title><dtml-var></title>
<link><dtml-var></link>
<description><dtml-var></description>
<language>en-us</language>
<dtml-if>
<image>
<title><dtml-var></title>
<url><dtml-var>/<dtml-var></url>
<link><dtml-var></link>
</image>
</dtml-if>
<dtml-in sort="date" size="100">
<dtml-with>
<item>
<title>
<dtml-var>
</title>
<link>
<dtml-var><dtml-var>/<dtml-var>
</link>
<description>
<dtml-if meta_type ="="">
(New Reply)
<dtml-else>
(New Topic) 
</dtml-if meta_type>
<dtml-if meta_type ="="">
<dtml-var> 
<dtml-else>
<dtml-var> 
</dtml-if meta_type>
</description>
<dc:creator><dtml-var></dc:creator>
<dc:date><dtml-var></dc:date>
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RE: More detailed RSS?

2006-03-01T07:51:10Z

Try
http://averageeveryday.blogspot.com/2005_12_01_averageeveryday_archive.html
under "New RSS feed in Squishdot site" about ahlf way down the page.

I enclose the dtml form this as a text file.

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Hi there,

ivhalpc wrote:
> A Linux Medical News http://www.linuxmednews.com reader is asking for
> a more detailed RSS feed than is currently available at:
> http://www.linuxmednews.com/rdf Specifically, they'd like the article
> summary as well. Is there a simple way of including this in the feed?
> Thanks!

Google for the RSS format standards and then tweak the rss dtml method
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<link><dtml-var></link>
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<language>en-us</language>
<dtml-if>
<image>
<title><dtml-var></title>
<url><dtml-var>/<dtml-var></url>
<link><dtml-var></link>
</image>
</dtml-if>
<dtml-in sort="date" size="100">
<dtml-with>
<item>
<title>
<dtml-var>
</title>
<link>
<dtml-var><dtml-var>/<dtml-var>
</link>
<description>
<dtml-if meta_type ="="">
(New Reply)
<dtml-else>
(New Topic) 
</dtml-if meta_type>
<dtml-if meta_type ="="">
<dtml-var> 
<dtml-else>
<dtml-var> 
</dtml-if meta_type>
</description>
<dc:creator><dtml-var></dc:creator>
<dc:date><dtml-var></dc:date>
</item>
</dtml-with>
</dtml-in>
</channel>
</rss>

Re: More detailed RSS?

2006-03-01T01:11:38Z

Hi there,

ivhalpc wrote:
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> a more detailed RSS feed than is currently available at:
> http://www.linuxmednews.com/rdf Specifically, they'd like the article
> summary as well. Is there a simple way of including this in the feed?
> Thanks!

Google for the RSS format standards and then tweak the rss dtml method
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More detailed RSS?

2006-02-28T19:44:36Z

Hello all,

A Linux Medical News http://www.linuxmednews.com reader is asking for
a more detailed RSS feed than is currently available at:
http://www.linuxmednews.com/rdf Specifically, they'd like the article
summary as well. Is there a simple way of including this in the feed?
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Re: debian upgrade issues

2006-02-14T01:13:45Z

Hi Mark,

Mark wrote:
> Hello. I recently upgraded to Debian Sid, from Debian Sarge. I now
> have three different Zopes installed on my computer, that being zope
> 2.6.4, zope 2.7.8, and zope 2.8.5. Version 2.6.4 has the squishdot chat
> board programmed in it, but it's not working.

If you google for "how to ask questions" you should get and article byt
Eric Raymond that you'd do well to read if you plan to get the full
benefits of open source software. In this case, "it's not working"
simply isn't good enough for me to be able to help you.

What happened? What were you expecting to happen? What was in the
various log files? what error messages did you see?

> I have the packages
> "zope" and "squishdot" both installed, but zope version 2.6.4 does not
> have squishdot, nor for that matter, any other program options with it
> (ie, plone, zope-cmf, etc.)

I'm not sure I'd ever really recommend the debian packages for Zope. I
love debian, but it never seems to keep pace with Zope development.

> So, how do I get Squishdot working in this new set up?

Install 2.8.5 or the latest 2.9.x from zope.org from source. Make a zope
instance using the mkzopeinstance.py script. Then download Squishdot 1.5
from Squishdot.org and unpack it into the Products directory of your
instance and start Zope :-)

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debian upgrade issues

2006-02-13T15:37:55Z

Hello. I recently upgraded to Debian Sid, from Debian Sarge. I now
have three different Zopes installed on my computer, that being zope
2.6.4, zope 2.7.8, and zope 2.8.5. Version 2.6.4 has the squishdot chat
board programmed in it, but it's not working. I have the packages
"zope" and "squishdot" both installed, but zope version 2.6.4 does not
have squishdot, nor for that matter, any other program options with it
(ie, plone, zope-cmf, etc.)
So, how do I get Squishdot working in this new set up?
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