Starting grok-doc mailling list a solution or a problem?

[Sebastian Ware]

Hi all!

With regards to the discussed grok community doc effort. If we start a  
separate [grok-doc] mailing list, will you subscribe and contribute to  
it?

The purpose of a separate [grok-doc] mailing list is:
1) signal that we take documentation seriously
2) reduce the competition between dev-related threads and doc-related  
threads on [grok-dev]
3) making it more obvious what level of activity we have in the docs  
department
4) making it less intimidating to post on the [grok-doc] rather than  
the main [grok-dev] list

Mvh Sebastian



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[PAW]

2009/6/10 Sebastian Ware <sebastian@...>
>
> Hi all!
>
> With regards to the discussed grok community doc effort. If we start a
> separate [grok-doc] mailing list, will you subscribe and contribute to
> it?

Yes. Personally, I feel I could help and contribute more to a grok-doc
than a grok-dev right now.

Paul
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[Souheil CHELFOUH]

Yes, I would, definitely subscribe and contribute :)

2009/6/10 Paul Wilson <paulalexwilson@...>:

> 2009/6/10 Sebastian Ware <sebastian@...>
>>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> With regards to the discussed grok community doc effort. If we start a
>> separate [grok-doc] mailing list, will you subscribe and contribute to
>> it?
>
> Yes. Personally, I feel I could help and contribute more to a grok-doc
> than a grok-dev right now.
>
> Paul
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[Vincent Fretin]

I'll subscribe to it, one more mailing-list with a filter in my gmail
account. ;-)
If I can answer to some questions, I'll do.

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On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Souheil CHELFOUH<trollfot@...> wrote:

> Yes, I would, definitely subscribe and contribute :)
>
> 2009/6/10 Paul Wilson <paulalexwilson@...>:
>> 2009/6/10 Sebastian Ware <sebastian@...>
>>>
>>> Hi all!
>>>
>>> With regards to the discussed grok community doc effort. If we start a
>>> separate [grok-doc] mailing list, will you subscribe and contribute to
>>> it?
>>
>> Yes. Personally, I feel I could help and contribute more to a grok-doc
>> than a grok-dev right now.
>>
>> Paul
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[Leonardo Rochael Almeida]

IMHO, if some people feel it's intimidating to post on the grok-dev
list about grok documentation, then I think we, as a comunity, have an
issue to solve in this main grok list. Grok is not even at 1.0 yet
(though we're close). I believe it's too early to separate
documentation concerns from development concerns, specially since we
can gather valuable feedback about what to develop when we discover
something that is too difficult or confusing to document.

Incidentally, I believe the same thing about an eventual grok-users
list. We still need the basic user feedback in shaping Grok.

I don't think we have so much traffic on this list as to warrant the
separation, and if people feel less inclined to post about
documentation on this list than on a separate list, then we need to
change their perception about this list.

Cheers, Leo

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 08:31, Vincent Fretin<vincent.fretin@...> wrote:

> I'll subscribe to it, one more mailing-list with a filter in my gmail
> account. ;-)
> If I can answer to some questions, I'll do.
>
> --
> Vincent Fretin
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Souheil CHELFOUH<trollfot@...> wrote:
>> Yes, I would, definitely subscribe and contribute :)
>>
>> 2009/6/10 Paul Wilson <paulalexwilson@...>:
>>> 2009/6/10 Sebastian Ware <sebastian@...>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all!
>>>>
>>>> With regards to the discussed grok community doc effort. If we start a
>>>> separate [grok-doc] mailing list, will you subscribe and contribute to
>>>> it?
>>>
>>> Yes. Personally, I feel I could help and contribute more to a grok-doc
>>> than a grok-dev right now.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> _______________________________________________
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[Reinout van Rees]

On 2009-06-10, Sebastian Ware <sebastian@...> wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> With regards to the discussed grok community doc effort. If we start a  
> separate [grok-doc] mailing list, will you subscribe and contribute to  
> it?

Subscribe? Yes, provided it is also available on gmane :-)

Reinout

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[Jan Ulrich Hasecke-3]

Hello all,

please do not create a new mailing list. If the documentation problem  
is out of the way, developers, especially Zope developers, tend to  
forget it. ;-)

I can understand the hesitation to post either doc-related stuff here  
or newbie questions. I am socialized in a net where you do not post  
newbie questions to a -dev list, so personally I am not easy with  
posting my questions here.

But the website is very clear about that:

"""
This is the mailing list for the users of Grok, and the developers of  
Grok. The developers would like to know how you are using Grok, and  
any problems and suggestions you may have, so don't be shy!
"""

In this sense I would keep one list for the moment.

juh

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[Martijn Faassen-2]

Leonardo Rochael Almeida wrote:

> IMHO, if some people feel it's intimidating to post on the grok-dev
> list about grok documentation, then I think we, as a comunity, have an
> issue to solve in this main grok list. Grok is not even at 1.0 yet
> (though we're close). I believe it's too early to separate
> documentation concerns from development concerns, specially since we
> can gather valuable feedback about what to develop when we discover
> something that is too difficult or confusing to document.
>
> Incidentally, I believe the same thing about an eventual grok-users
> list. We still need the basic user feedback in shaping Grok.
>
> I don't think we have so much traffic on this list as to warrant the
> separation, and if people feel less inclined to post about
> documentation on this list than on a separate list, then we need to
> change their perception about this list.

Thanks Leonardo for expressing this so well, I share your views on this.

If keeping things on this mailing lists suppresses the enthusiasm
though, I will create a new list...

Regards,

Martijn

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[Sebastian Ware]

We really, really, really want a separate list :) And we will post  
regular updates on [grok-dev]. I am not too worried about the [grok-
doc] list coming before [grok-user]. We have a clear vision of the  
whats and whys and we will be active on this list. By directing  
feedback from newbies to [grok-doc] we can hopefully catch the  
knowledge in organised docs rather than hanging around in loose  
threads. I think it will benefit a greater audience, including those  
who aren't accustomed to being active on mailing lists.

So, I humbly and formally ask for a [grok-doc@...] mailing list  
to be set up for me, tim and steve to manage*.

Mvh Sebastian

* and no... it's not just to have our-own-pet-list(tm) for the sake of  
it, I promise! We really believe this is the right way to go :)

15 jun 2009 kl. 12.45 skrev Martijn Faassen:

> Leonardo Rochael Almeida wrote:
>> IMHO, if some people feel it's intimidating to post on the grok-dev
>> list about grok documentation, then I think we, as a comunity, have  
>> an
>> issue to solve in this main grok list. Grok is not even at 1.0 yet
>> (though we're close). I believe it's too early to separate
>> documentation concerns from development concerns, specially since we
>> can gather valuable feedback about what to develop when we discover
>> something that is too difficult or confusing to document.
>>
>> Incidentally, I believe the same thing about an eventual grok-users
>> list. We still need the basic user feedback in shaping Grok.
>>
>> I don't think we have so much traffic on this list as to warrant the
>> separation, and if people feel less inclined to post about
>> documentation on this list than on a separate list, then we need to
>> change their perception about this list.
>
> Thanks Leonardo for expressing this so well, I share your views on  
> this.
>
> If keeping things on this mailing lists suppresses the enthusiasm
> though, I will create a new list...
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
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