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Re: Starting the community (Ghoust)
by je.a.le
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Hagen Kaiser a écrit :
> To: > > "From what I remember: > -it got cluttered and unorganized > -nobody stood up to help maintain it > -in the end nobody maintained it or even updated it > -it was more deprecated than the source documentations > -it irritated more than helped > > Tom" > > > We were speaking about different wiki/forums. > I completely agree with the things you say about that wiki. > The time I looked at Nebula2 for the first time. I saw that wiki > And it was hard to learn something from it. > missing are tutorials, and some short app for examples > But I remeber some later times, somone had started a Nebula-forum, > I just sumbled into it googling for nebula. > And (correct me) as far as I remebver this guy was criticized very > much for having done that. > So he ended up excusing for having set up a forum, and abandoning it. > > But lets talk about future: > > 1. What about setting up a forum again? > Sure, with a forum you have to log in instead of just read your mail but, you can access/read/answer easily from anywhere, split it in different subject, and joint documents (screencap, code, etc...) > 2. I would love to get Nebula running on a Mac: > As far as I know the buildsystem (python) doesnt provide mac-support? > (Is that right?) http://www.python.org/download/ > The tcl-System doesnt exist anymore ? (It had Mac/Xcode-support) > indeed I would say tcl is the only plain supported script language into nebula/mangalore (without additional libs,config, etc...) > 3. What about switching Nebula to cmake? (Is that possible?) > Why not move from vc++ to Netbean IDE ?? ( this is actually something I will do anyway for myself...) ; work on any platform, must better ide (seriously anyone can do a real project with vc++ ????), GNU... Eclipse is a solution too (even for java/j2ee I'm not a big fan...) NOTA : didn't fully test nebula/c++ yet so it may be a stupid idea ! A+ > 4. BTW: whos responsible for the nebula site now? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > *** NOTE: To reply to the list use "reply to all", *** > *** to reply direct to the sender use "reply" *** > _______________________________________________ > Nebuladevice-discuss mailing list > Nebuladevice-discuss@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nebuladevice-discuss > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV *** NOTE: To reply to the list use "reply to all", *** *** to reply direct to the sender use "reply" *** _______________________________________________ Nebuladevice-discuss mailing list Nebuladevice-discuss@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nebuladevice-discuss |
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Re: Starting the community (Ghoust)
by Ghoust
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Hagen Kaiser wrote:
> 1. What about setting up a forum again? > and do what with this forum? where would be the benefit compared to the actual situation? > 2. I would love to get Nebula running on a Mac: > As far as I know the buildsystem (python) doesnt provide mac-support? > (Is that right?) > The tcl-System doesnt exist anymore ? (It had Mac/Xcode-support) > there is a buildsys for linux makefiles. what you would need is someone writing a generator for mac. have a look at buildsys3/generators > 3. What about switching Nebula to cmake? (Is that possible?) > should be but why should someone do this if there is an existing build system? I mean I would like to see feature X in nebula would bring interest me more than have buildsystem Y > 4. BTW: whos responsible for the nebula site now? > guess that's bruce, as nobody is helping out.. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > *** NOTE: To reply to the list use "reply to all", *** > *** to reply direct to the sender use "reply" *** > _______________________________________________ > Nebuladevice-discuss mailing list > Nebuladevice-discuss@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nebuladevice-discuss > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV *** NOTE: To reply to the list use "reply to all", *** *** to reply direct to the sender use "reply" *** _______________________________________________ Nebuladevice-discuss mailing list Nebuladevice-discuss@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nebuladevice-discuss |
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Re: Starting the community (Ghoust)
by eric werner
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Hi Nebula-Fans!
I'd very much support the idea of setting up a nebula-device forum!! I know we once did that and it didn't run very well what is partly my very own guiltiness: I was asked to make a nebula skinning for the SMF and as I always am, I couldn't say no. But I just didn't find the time besides working at RadonLabs. When I finally made the first tests the forum wasn't working good anymore. Database and drawing errors... So I finally lost courage on it. I'm very sorry about that. Please pardon me. BUT! : I see very much projects do very very well with a forum! The possibilities compared to that mailinglist are enormous!! Multiple topics, getting mails to only specific topics, answermails, links, images, polls... And most important IMHO: the stuff gets saved for the future. So you don't have to answer stuff again and again to newbies that are afraid of mailinglists anyhow. (I know nabble does that too with the mailinglist. But nabble just looks messy. It perfectly fits to almost all points Tom said.) So what do you say? Set it up once again? There are dozens of cool feature-packed but slim and fast forum-packages out there. Its not about the skin! That may change. But I'd team up with someone else to skin it again. Alone I cannot kick my ass myself enough. ;] For Toms post: I know moderating can be very demanding! Whould I do that in my free time? Yes but also not alone! Nebula is a big project. I'm no programmer. We need some peeps that do that job! If we'd have it look and feel like nebuladevice.org I bet it whould be worth and be encouraging enough! Greetings : eRiC from RadonLabs -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: nebuladevice-discuss-bounces@... [mailto:nebuladevice-discuss-bounces@...] Im Auftrag von Ghoust Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. März 2007 21:03 An: nebuladevice-discuss@... Betreff: Re: [Nebula-Discuss] Starting the community (Ghoust) Hagen Kaiser wrote: > 1. What about setting up a forum again? > and do what with this forum? where would be the benefit compared to the actual situation? > 2. I would love to get Nebula running on a Mac: > As far as I know the buildsystem (python) doesnt provide mac-support? > (Is that right?) > The tcl-System doesnt exist anymore ? (It had Mac/Xcode-support) > there is a buildsys for linux makefiles. what you would need is someone writing a generator for mac. have a look at buildsys3/generators > 3. What about switching Nebula to cmake? (Is that possible?) > should be but why should someone do this if there is an existing build system? I mean I would like to see feature X in nebula would bring interest me more than have buildsystem Y > 4. BTW: whos responsible for the nebula site now? > guess that's bruce, as nobody is helping out.. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > *** NOTE: To reply to the list use "reply to all", *** > *** to reply direct to the sender use "reply" *** > _______________________________________________ > Nebuladevice-discuss mailing list > Nebuladevice-discuss@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nebuladevice-discuss > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV *** NOTE: To reply to the list use "reply to all", *** *** to reply direct to the sender use "reply" *** _______________________________________________ Nebuladevice-discuss mailing list Nebuladevice-discuss@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nebuladevice-discuss ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV *** NOTE: To reply to the list use "reply to all", *** *** to reply direct to the sender use "reply" *** _______________________________________________ Nebuladevice-discuss mailing list Nebuladevice-discuss@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nebuladevice-discuss |
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Re: Starting the community (Ghoust)
by Vadim Macagon
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eric werner wrote:
> Hi Nebula-Fans! > > I'd very much support the idea of setting up a nebula-device forum!! > > I know we once did that and it didn't run very well what is partly my very > own guiltiness: I was asked to make a nebula skinning for the SMF and as I > always am, I couldn't say no. But I just didn't find the time besides > working at RadonLabs. > When I finally made the first tests the forum wasn't working good anymore. > Database and drawing errors... So I finally lost courage on it. I'm very > sorry about that. Please pardon me. > > BUT! : I see very much projects do very very well with a forum! > The possibilities compared to that mailinglist are enormous!! > Multiple topics, getting mails to only specific topics, answermails, links, > images, polls... And most important IMHO: the stuff gets saved for the > future. So you don't have to answer stuff again and again to newbies that > are afraid of mailinglists anyhow. (I know nabble does that too with the > mailinglist. But nabble just looks messy. It perfectly fits to almost all > points Tom said.) > > So what do you say? > Set it up once again? > There are dozens of cool feature-packed but slim and fast forum-packages out > there. > Its not about the skin! That may change. But I'd team up with someone else > to skin it again. Alone I cannot kick my ass myself enough. ;] > > For Toms post: I know moderating can be very demanding! Whould I do that in > my free time? Yes but also not alone! Nebula is a big project. I'm no > programmer. We need some peeps that do that job! If we'd have it look and > feel like nebuladevice.org I bet it whould be worth and be encouraging > enough! > > Greetings : eRiC from RadonLabs Hi, Before anyone wastes anymore of their time arguing for/against a forum... as Eric mentioned we agreed to open a forum on nebuladevice.org a while back. Personally I don't see any real advantages to having a forum in addition to a mailing list, but we got fed up arguing about it. Some maintenance needs to be performed before we can open the forum, I expect that to be done in the next week or two. If anyone wants to team up with Eric to make a Nebula skin for the forum that'd be great. -+ enlight +- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV *** NOTE: To reply to the list use "reply to all", *** *** to reply direct to the sender use "reply" *** _______________________________________________ Nebuladevice-discuss mailing list Nebuladevice-discuss@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nebuladevice-discuss |
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Re: Starting the community (Ghoust)
by Vadim Macagon
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Hagen Kaiser wrote:
> 2. I would love to get Nebula running on a Mac: > As far as I know the buildsystem (python) doesnt provide mac-support? > (Is that right?) The makefile generator claims to generate makefiles that work on Windows, Linux and MacOS. If that's not the case then Mac lovers need to update it. > The tcl-System doesnt exist anymore ? (It had Mac/Xcode-support) TCL build system is dead and buried. > 3. What about switching Nebula to cmake? (Is that possible?) Maybe, but like Ghoust said, what would that gain you? If you want Mac/Xcode support writing/updating a generator would be far easier than moving Nebula to a whole new build system. > 4. BTW: whos responsible for the nebula site now? I can edit it, if you have any requests just post them to this list. -+ enlight +- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV *** NOTE: To reply to the list use "reply to all", *** *** to reply direct to the sender use "reply" *** _______________________________________________ Nebuladevice-discuss mailing list Nebuladevice-discuss@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nebuladevice-discuss |
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Re: Starting the community (Ghoust)
by alf259
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Hi all IMO a forum would be a good thing, especially if it is running on the nebuladevice.org, that way there will be a natural activity on the site. On the other hand, setting up a forum is not going to wake up the project that will need some of the other things like tutorials, merged updates from Radonlabs and clear policies for making changes to the code. Oh and some dedicated active people with the time to do the work. The main thing for me is getting the updates to the engine from Radonlabs. It is frustrating not knowing if there is a wealth of cool features that I need already implemented. How do we do this? Merging the changes and getting it to build is probably not a big deal, but how do we go about validating the merge. What platforms should it be tested on, and what tests to run? What about all the contributions how do we validate/update these to the new code? How do we decide if a particular contribution should even continue to exist? Brgs. Ralf -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: nebuladevice-discuss-bounces@... [mailto:nebuladevice-discuss-bounces@...] På vegne af eric werner Sendt: 22. marts 2007 23:24 Til: 'Ghoust'; nebuladevice-discuss@... Emne: Re: [Nebula-Discuss] Starting the community (Ghoust) Hi Nebula-Fans! I'd very much support the idea of setting up a nebula-device forum!! I know we once did that and it didn't run very well what is partly my very own guiltiness: I was asked to make a nebula skinning for the SMF and as I always am, I couldn't say no. But I just didn't find the time besides working at RadonLabs. When I finally made the first tests the forum wasn't working good anymore. Database and drawing errors... So I finally lost courage on it. I'm very sorry about that. Please pardon me. BUT! : I see very much projects do very very well with a forum! The possibilities compared to that mailinglist are enormous!! Multiple topics, getting mails to only specific topics, answermails, links, images, polls... And most important IMHO: the stuff gets saved for the future. So you don't have to answer stuff again and again to newbies that are afraid of mailinglists anyhow. (I know nabble does that too with the mailinglist. But nabble just looks messy. It perfectly fits to almost all points Tom said.) So what do you say? Set it up once again? There are dozens of cool feature-packed but slim and fast forum-packages out there. Its not about the skin! That may change. But I'd team up with someone else to skin it again. Alone I cannot kick my ass myself enough. ;] For Toms post: I know moderating can be very demanding! Whould I do that in my free time? Yes but also not alone! Nebula is a big project. I'm no programmer. We need some peeps that do that job! If we'd have it look and feel like nebuladevice.org I bet it whould be worth and be encouraging enough! Greetings : eRiC from RadonLabs -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: nebuladevice-discuss-bounces@... [mailto:nebuladevice-discuss-bounces@...] Im Auftrag von Ghoust Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. März 2007 21:03 An: nebuladevice-discuss@... Betreff: Re: [Nebula-Discuss] Starting the community (Ghoust) Hagen Kaiser wrote: > 1. What about setting up a forum again? > and do what with this forum? where would be the benefit compared to the actual situation? > 2. I would love to get Nebula running on a Mac: > As far as I know the buildsystem (python) doesnt provide mac-support? > (Is that right?) > The tcl-System doesnt exist anymore ? (It had Mac/Xcode-support) > there is a buildsys for linux makefiles. what you would need is someone writing a generator for mac. have a look at buildsys3/generators > 3. What about switching Nebula to cmake? (Is that possible?) > should be but why should someone do this if there is an existing build system? I mean I would like to see feature X in nebula would bring interest me more than have buildsystem Y > 4. BTW: whos responsible for the nebula site now? > guess that's bruce, as nobody is helping out.. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > *** NOTE: To reply to the list use "reply to all", *** > *** to reply direct to the sender use "reply" *** > _______________________________________________ > Nebuladevice-discuss mailing list > Nebuladevice-discuss@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nebuladevice-discuss > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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Re: Starting the community (Ghoust)
by Jack Popovciuc
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Great news!
I never worked on setting up a forum, however if "skinning forum" means writing appropiate CSS, I can help on that. Chook 2007/3/22, Vadim Macagon <vadim@...>: eric werner wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV *** NOTE: To reply to the list use "reply to all", *** *** to reply direct to the sender use "reply" *** _______________________________________________ Nebuladevice-discuss mailing list Nebuladevice-discuss@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nebuladevice-discuss |
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Re: Starting the community (Ghoust)
by fschmidt
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I'm sorry that Nabble looks messy. We are just a few programmers trying to provide a useful service. If you tell me how Nabble could look better, we will improve it. Franklin Schmidt Nabble.com |
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Re: Starting the community (Ghoust)
by eric werner
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Oooopps! :/
Hehe.. Pardon me Franklin! :] I really didn't mean to pss someone off. I just thought its a common service people usually use for mailinglists Some slight colors would help I think. Its quite flat now. And maybe the replies could be collapsed like in gmail. Know what I mean? Actually. When you look at nabble - its not that far away from a forum at all. Why isn't the nabble-mailinglist-forum not implemented on nebuladevice.org yet?!?! eRiC -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: nebuladevice-discuss-bounces@... [mailto:nebuladevice-discuss-bounces@...] Im Auftrag von fschmidt Gesendet: Samstag, 24. März 2007 04:07 An: nebuladevice-discuss@... Betreff: Re: [Nebula-Discuss] Starting the community (Ghoust) eric werner wrote: > > (I know nabble does that too with the > mailinglist. But nabble just looks messy. It perfectly fits to almost all > points Tom said.) > I'm sorry that Nabble looks messy. We are just a few programmers trying to provide a useful service. If you tell me how Nabble could look better, we will improve it. Franklin Schmidt Nabble.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Starting-the-community-%28Ghoust%29-tf3446567.html#a96 46592 Sent from the nebuladevice-discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV *** NOTE: To reply to the list use "reply to all", *** *** to reply direct to the sender use "reply" *** _______________________________________________ Nebuladevice-discuss mailing list Nebuladevice-discuss@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nebuladevice-discuss ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV *** NOTE: To reply to the list use "reply to all", *** *** to reply direct to the sender use "reply" *** _______________________________________________ Nebuladevice-discuss mailing list Nebuladevice-discuss@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nebuladevice-discuss |
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