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Status of Xfc

by Bo Lorentsen :: Rate this Message:

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Hi ...

Can anyone summarize the status of Xfc, I am a bit confused about it :-)

I like to start using this library, but I like to know what to expect in
regard to development :-)

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Re: Status of Xfc

by Sylvain Vedrenne :: Rate this Message:

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Bo Lorentsen wrote:
> Hi ...
>
> Can anyone summarize the status of Xfc, I am a bit confused about it :-)
>
> I like to start using this library, but I like to know what to expect in
> regard to development :-)
>
> /BL

Hi,

The least one can say is that Xfc development is stalled,
as can be seen when checking this mailing-list.

But Xfc 4.3.1 is impressive and makes several people wait (desperately
hope) for more !...

I suppose the Xfce devs are too busy preparing Xfce-4.4 to care much for
Xfc at present. So let's wait until after Xfce-4.4 is released to see if
someone competent wishes to take it over. I hope this will happen.

Cheers,
Sylvain.

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Re: Status of Xfc

by Bo Lorentsen :: Rate this Message:

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Sylvain Vedrenne (Xfce) wrote:

> The least one can say is that Xfc development is stalled,
> as can be seen when checking this mailing-list.
That is so sad, it is a nice peace of work.

> But Xfc 4.3.1 is impressive and makes several people wait (desperately
> hope) for more !...
Yes it is a nice library, and some nice goals too.

Do anyone know how many may be using this library, and are there any
wish list or wiki, for developers ?

> I suppose the Xfce devs are too busy preparing Xfce-4.4 to care much for
> Xfc at present. So let's wait until after Xfce-4.4 is released to see if
> someone competent wishes to take it over. I hope this will happen.
I am looking forward to see what they intent to do, as Jeff F. have been
gone for so long (without leaving a note :-)).

Well, time to try to write an app or two in Xfc to see how it really
works :-)

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Parent Message unknown Re: Status of Xfc

by Xavier Otazu :: Rate this Message:

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        Hi:

Xfc IS a really GOOD piece of work !!! I've been working with it, and
its structure and efficiency is much better than other GTK-based
libraries.

The only developer and maintainer of XFC is Jeff Franks. As Sylvain
told, he is missing from many time ago. Many time ago he and the
present xfce 4.4 developers told that XFC would be released with the
Xfce 4.4 version. If some days after this inminent release, Jeff Franks
does not respond, I would consider XFC as an abandoned project.

Anyway, I think that other developers may take this project and
continue to work with it. It is a real GOOD piece of work.

Xavier

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:00:02 +0100
xfc-dev-request@... wrote:

> Sylvain Vedrenne (Xfce) wrote:
>
> > The least one can say is that Xfc development is stalled,
> > as can be seen when checking this mailing-list.  
> That is so sad, it is a nice peace of work.
>
> > But Xfc 4.3.1 is impressive and makes several people wait
> > (desperately hope) for more !...  
> Yes it is a nice library, and some nice goals too.
>
> Do anyone know how many may be using this library, and are there any
> wish list or wiki, for developers ?
>
> > I suppose the Xfce devs are too busy preparing Xfce-4.4 to care
> > much for Xfc at present. So let's wait until after Xfce-4.4 is
> > released to see if someone competent wishes to take it over. I hope
> > this will happen.  
> I am looking forward to see what they intent to do, as Jeff F. have
> been gone for so long (without leaving a note :-)).
>
> Well, time to try to write an app or two in Xfc to see how it really
> works :-)
>
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Re: Status of Xfc

by Bo Lorentsen :: Rate this Message:

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Xavier Otazu wrote:

> Xfc IS a really GOOD piece of work !!! I've been working with it, and
> its structure and efficiency is much better than other GTK-based
> libraries.
That is my impression too. I will try to develop a small utility for it
and see how it compare to Gtkmm, but I like to know if it is possible to
apply updates and changes.

> The only developer and maintainer of XFC is Jeff Franks. As Sylvain
> told, he is missing from many time ago. Many time ago he and the
> present xfce 4.4 developers told that XFC would be released with the
> Xfce 4.4 version. If some days after this inminent release, Jeff Franks
> does not respond, I would consider XFC as an abandoned project.
Have anyone thought about taking over, until Jeff returns or could a few
of us do this together (would be nice with a trac/svn frontend) ?

> Anyway, I think that other developers may take this project and
> continue to work with it. It is a real GOOD piece of work.
That would be a good idea, and it is nice to see it together with the
Xfce system.

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Re: Status of Xfc

by Auke Kok-3 :: Rate this Message:

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Bo Lorentsen wrote:
> Xavier Otazu wrote:
>
>> Xfc IS a really GOOD piece of work !!! I've been working with it, and
>> its structure and efficiency is much better than other GTK-based
>> libraries.
 >
> That is my impression too. I will try to develop a small utility for it
> and see how it compare to Gtkmm, but I like to know if it is possible to
> apply updates and changes.
>
>> The only developer and maintainer of XFC is Jeff Franks. As Sylvain
>> told, he is missing from many time ago. Many time ago he and the
>> present xfce 4.4 developers told that XFC would be released with the
>> Xfce 4.4 version. If some days after this inminent release, Jeff Franks
>> does not respond, I would consider XFC as an abandoned project.
 >
> Have anyone thought about taking over, until Jeff returns or could a few
> of us do this together (would be nice with a trac/svn frontend) ?
>
>> Anyway, I think that other developers may take this project and
>> continue to work with it. It is a real GOOD piece of work.
> That would be a good idea, and it is nice to see it together with the
> Xfce system.

xfc is currently hosted on the xfce server, so SVN is already setup and available for
people who want to maintain and develop it.

Currently nobody has volunteered to do this, but I and other Xfce developers will apply
your patches to the xfc SVN tree if requested - so feel free to start working on it and
send patches to this list.

trac has a bad track record and nearly crashed the xfce server twice, so we don't allow
it on the Xfce server. It's not really needed anyway - we already have bugzilla and Xfc
should be on there (me or kelnos needs to add it there).

In short: you do the work, we get you the resources you need. Even though Jeff formerly
"owned" the project, that does not mean that we can't change it ;)

Auke
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Re: Status of Xfc

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Auke Kok wrote:

> xfc is currently hosted on the xfce server, so SVN is already setup and available for
> people who want to maintain and develop it.
I have quested that and this sounds really nice.

> Currently nobody has volunteered to do this, but I and other Xfce developers will apply
> your patches to the xfc SVN tree if requested - so feel free to start working on it and
> send patches to this list.
Ok, very assuring ... are there any existing bug list ?

> trac has a bad track record and nearly crashed the xfce server twice, so we don't allow
> it on the Xfce server. It's not really needed anyway - we already have bugzilla and Xfc
> should be on there (me or kelnos needs to add it there).
I have tried to avoid bugzilla for some time now, but I guess I have to
give in now :-) Sorry to hear about your bad experience with trac, it is
just so nice and complete to work with.

If you are not using trac, are there any plan for a wiki thing at the
xfce site ?

> In short: you do the work, we get you the resources you need. Even though Jeff formerly
> "owned" the project, that does not mean that we can't change it ;)
Ok, that is nice to hear.

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Re: Status of Xfc

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Bo Lorentsen wrote:
> Auke Kok wrote:
>> trac has a bad track record and nearly crashed the xfce server twice, so we don't allow
>> it on the Xfce server. It's not really needed anyway - we already have bugzilla and Xfc
>> should be on there (me or kelnos needs to add it there).
 >
> I have tried to avoid bugzilla for some time now, but I guess I have to
> give in now :-) Sorry to hear about your bad experience with trac, it is
> just so nice and complete to work with.
>
> If you are not using trac, are there any plan for a wiki thing at the
> xfce site ?

if someone is willing to maintain it, I'd be happy to set it up.

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Re: Status of Xfc

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Auke Kok wrote:
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> if someone is willing to maintain it, I'd be happy to set it up.
Ok, we always end up there ... lets see what happends after xfce 4.4 :-)

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Re: Status of Xfc

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Its so good to see that XFC is back in the thick of things..
if i understand it right, for now, the main focus is on toehr developers/volunteers stepping to do bug fixes for XFC .  and any major design decisions will be discussed here .
would i be right in thinking so ?
cheers
ram


On 11/27/06, Bo Lorentsen <bl@...> wrote:
Auke Kok wrote:
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> if someone is willing to maintain it, I'd be happy to set it up.
Ok, we always end up there ... lets see what happends after xfce 4.4 :-)

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Re: Status of Xfc

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Sriram Durbha wrote:
> Its so good to see that XFC is back in the thick of things..
> if i understand it right, for now, the main focus is on toehr
> developers/volunteers stepping to do bug fixes for XFC .  and any major
> design decisions will be discussed here .
> would i be right in thinking so ?

it's a start. I've asked the bugzilla maintainer to open up an 'xfc' component at
'bugzilla.xfce.org' for this.

Meanwhile I'm happy to announce that xfc compile against xfce-4.4rc2, so it should
definately be usable as it is right now :)

Cheers,

Auke
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Re: Status of Xfc

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Bo Lorentsen wrote:
> Auke Kok wrote:
>> if someone is willing to maintain it, I'd be happy to set it up.
> Ok, we always end up there ... lets see what happends after xfce 4.4 :-)

I've setup an xfc-bugs list for bugreports, those interested should subscribe to it to
follow incoming Xfc bugreports. Not that there are any filed yet, the Xfc component in
bugzilla didn't exist yet.

Cheers,

Auke
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Re: Status of Xfc

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On 11/27/2006 11:37 AM, Auke Kok wrote:
> Bo Lorentsen wrote:
>> Auke Kok wrote:
>>> if someone is willing to maintain it, I'd be happy to set it up.
>> Ok, we always end up there ... lets see what happends after xfce 4.4 :-)
>
> I've setup an xfc-bugs list for bugreports, those interested should subscribe to it to
> follow incoming Xfc bugreports. Not that there are any filed yet, the Xfc component in
> bugzilla didn't exist yet.

It does now ^_^

        -brian

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Re: Status of Xfc

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Auke Kok wrote:
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> I've setup an xfc-bugs list for bugreports, those interested should subscribe to it to
> follow incoming Xfc bugreports. Not that there are any filed yet, the Xfc component in
> bugzilla didn't exist yet.
This is a good start ! I have signed up, and look forward to see what
may show up, but it is a good start !

What is the plan for the http://www.xfcewiki.org/ site, beside
optimizing it an removing Google sidebar :-)

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Re: Status of Xfc

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On 11/27/2006 12:05 PM, Bo Lorentsen wrote:

> What is the plan for the http://www.xfcewiki.org/ site, beside
> optimizing it an removing Google sidebar :-)

Nothing; that site isn't controlled by us.

        -brian

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