Status of the uploads to the website

[worms invasion]

Hello,

I was wondering whether there was any news about the upload problem to http://openclipart.org

The last upload appearing is dated from July,31st 2009, so I guess the upload functionality hasn't been restored yet?

We've seen at least two bug reports
http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23312
http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23527

but nothing in them indicates what has been done.
There is also no assignee to these bug reports.

Is anyone in charge of checking out the situation, or investigating, or... doing what needs to be done, why it broke, etc.

Thanks for any information - it would really be a pity if OCAL was dying because no clipart can be uploaded :-)

Best regards.


     
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[worms invasion]

Hello.

So... Is OCAL dead?

Cheers.

--- On Fri, 9/11/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...> wrote:

> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
> Subject: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website
> To: clipart@...
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 6:13 PM
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering whether there was any news about the upload
> problem to http://openclipart.org
>
> The last upload appearing is dated from July,31st 2009, so
> I guess the upload functionality hasn't been restored yet?
>
> We've seen at least two bug reports
> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23312
> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23527
>
> but nothing in them indicates what has been done.
> There is also no assignee to these bug reports.
>
> Is anyone in charge of checking out the situation, or
> investigating, or... doing what needs to be done, why it
> broke, etc.
>
> Thanks for any information - it would really be a pity if
> OCAL was dying because no clipart can be uploaded :-)
>
> Best regards.
>
>
>      
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[chovynz chovynz]

Nope. Just, there's nothing the Librarians can do.
There's only a limited number of people that can fix the problems
server side, and those are busy or away.

Just hang in there. When Ocal 2.0 come out it'll be fantastic and I'll
be pushing it on all my friends for all it's worth. (and that is worth
very much!)

On 9/20/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...> wrote:

> Hello.
>
> So... Is OCAL dead?
>
> Cheers.
>
> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...> wrote:
>
>> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
>> Subject: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website
>> To: clipart@...
>> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 6:13 PM
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was wondering whether there was any news about the upload
>> problem to http://openclipart.org
>>
>> The last upload appearing is dated from July,31st 2009, so
>> I guess the upload functionality hasn't been restored yet?
>>
>> We've seen at least two bug reports
>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23312
>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23527
>>
>> but nothing in them indicates what has been done.
>> There is also no assignee to these bug reports.
>>
>> Is anyone in charge of checking out the situation, or
>> investigating, or... doing what needs to be done, why it
>> broke, etc.
>>
>> Thanks for any information - it would really be a pity if
>> OCAL was dying because no clipart can be uploaded :-)
>>
>> Best regards.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> clipart mailing list
>> clipart@...
>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> clipart@...
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart
>

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[worms invasion]

Well, thanks :-)

I'm a subscriber to this list for almost 2 years now, so I do hang around and talk occasionally ;-)

This list is not only for librarians, it's actually the only mean Users, , Clipart contributors, Librarians, and Developers have to communicate about OCAL. That's why it receives messages from list subscribers, and also bug reports.

As I was saying in my first message on Sept, 11th, uploads to OCAL have stopped since July 31st.
Basically, it means that OCAL, which relies on users contributions for its content, appears dead to both the group of Users ("No new cliparts uploaded?") and to the Clipart contributors ("where am I going this new clipart I made?")
These two groups are the most numerous groups among the Users, Clipart contributors, Librarians, and Developers groups.
Another thing is that bug reports have not been touched nor assigned.

I do understand that the limited number of people who might be able to fix the errors are away or busy. On the other hand, there have been news posted to the main OCAL page since the uploads ceased to work, so this means that not all are busy all the time or away all the time.

There are many other sites presenting cliparts to the public on the Internet, OCAL is great because it represents a community effort to share cliparts with the most "open" license. That was, I believe, the goal of its founders, people from various projects (Ted Gould, Bryce Harrignton, Jon Philips, among others... from the archive of this list, which goes back to 2004)

Now, if our site appears unmaintained for a long while - and 6 weeks *is* a long time on the Internet - , users will simply be discouraged from visiting, and will switch to another clipart site, which might, or might not, support the same "cause". We will lose the benefits of years of contributions and usage, and that will be a pity, really.
We will also lose the potential help of new developers, if maintenance/development problems appear unanswered.

So, what could be done? Maybe it would be worth to allow more people to be involved with the site maintenance? It doesn't need to be a dozen people, just a few... with the right permissions?

Thanks for reading, and I hope, answering this concern.

P.S.: I also see nothing new about what we call OCAL 2.0... but in my understanding, this is less urgent (although it is important).



--- On Sun, 9/20/09, chovynz <chovynz@...> wrote:

> From: chovynz <chovynz@...>
> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website
> To: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla@...>
> Cc: clipart@...
> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 6:53 AM
> Nope. Just, there's nothing the
> Librarians can do.
> There's only a limited number of people that can fix the
> problems
> server side, and those are busy or away.
>
> Just hang in there. When Ocal 2.0 come out it'll be
> fantastic and I'll
> be pushing it on all my friends for all it's worth. (and
> that is worth
> very much!)
>
> On 9/20/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
> wrote:
> > Hello.
> >
> > So... Is OCAL dead?
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
> >> Subject: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the
> website
> >> To: clipart@...
> >> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 6:13 PM
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I was wondering whether there was any news about
> the upload
> >> problem to http://openclipart.org
> >>
> >> The last upload appearing is dated from July,31st
> 2009, so
> >> I guess the upload functionality hasn't been
> restored yet?
> >>
> >> We've seen at least two bug reports
> >> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23312
> >> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23527
> >>
> >> but nothing in them indicates what has been done.
> >> There is also no assignee to these bug reports.
> >>
> >> Is anyone in charge of checking out the situation,
> or
> >> investigating, or... doing what needs to be done,
> why it
> >> broke, etc.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any information - it would really be a
> pity if
> >> OCAL was dying because no clipart can be uploaded
> :-)
> >>

     
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[chovynz chovynz]

I'm not the one who can answer your questions.

And yes, I'm well aware that this mailing list is for everyone not
just Librarians. I did not state otherwise. :) I agree with all that
you have written.

However, as I replied, as far as I know (which is an educated guess),
only Jon, Michi and Basil(?) can fix this particular problem. And they
haven't said anything in reply to the emails which I've sent them.

Someone has dropped the ball, that I can't pick up (which I would have
otherwise picked up), and don't know what skills are needed, since
communication has effectively stopped. Which is sad, because the
potential of OCAL is far more than this *little* group that we
currently have.

I don't know what we are waiting for. I don't know what the problems
are, but everything has halted. This is not a good situation, and last
time I tried to say something I was told -paraphrased "Remember this
is a volunteer thing. Solutions take time." So ... Since I can't fix
the problem, and this is a "volunteer thing", I decided to not push
too hard and just wait. I can wait as long as I need to.

If Jon or Michi ends up listening to you, that's great! we can move
forward again. I frankly don't care who fixes the problem, as long as
someone does. I can't. Good luck in attracting their attention. :)



On 9/21/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...> wrote:

> Well, thanks :-)
>
> I'm a subscriber to this list for almost 2 years now, so I do hang around
> and talk occasionally ;-)
>
> This list is not only for librarians, it's actually the only mean Users, ,
> Clipart contributors, Librarians, and Developers have to communicate about
> OCAL. That's why it receives messages from list subscribers, and also bug
> reports.
>
> As I was saying in my first message on Sept, 11th, uploads to OCAL have
> stopped since July 31st.
> Basically, it means that OCAL, which relies on users contributions for its
> content, appears dead to both the group of Users ("No new cliparts
> uploaded?") and to the Clipart contributors ("where am I going this new
> clipart I made?")
> These two groups are the most numerous groups among the Users, Clipart
> contributors, Librarians, and Developers groups.
> Another thing is that bug reports have not been touched nor assigned.
>
> I do understand that the limited number of people who might be able to fix
> the errors are away or busy. On the other hand, there have been news posted
> to the main OCAL page since the uploads ceased to work, so this means that
> not all are busy all the time or away all the time.
>
> There are many other sites presenting cliparts to the public on the
> Internet, OCAL is great because it represents a community effort to share
> cliparts with the most "open" license. That was, I believe, the goal of its
> founders, people from various projects (Ted Gould, Bryce Harrignton, Jon
> Philips, among others... from the archive of this list, which goes back to
> 2004)
>
> Now, if our site appears unmaintained for a long while - and 6 weeks *is* a
> long time on the Internet - , users will simply be discouraged from
> visiting, and will switch to another clipart site, which might, or might
> not, support the same "cause". We will lose the benefits of years of
> contributions and usage, and that will be a pity, really.
> We will also lose the potential help of new developers, if
> maintenance/development problems appear unanswered.
>
> So, what could be done? Maybe it would be worth to allow more people to be
> involved with the site maintenance? It doesn't need to be a dozen people,
> just a few... with the right permissions?
>
> Thanks for reading, and I hope, answering this concern.
>
> P.S.: I also see nothing new about what we call OCAL 2.0... but in my
> understanding, this is less urgent (although it is important).
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, chovynz <chovynz@...> wrote:
>
>> From: chovynz <chovynz@...>
>> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website
>> To: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla@...>
>> Cc: clipart@...
>> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 6:53 AM
>> Nope. Just, there's nothing the
>> Librarians can do.
>> There's only a limited number of people that can fix the
>> problems
>> server side, and those are busy or away.
>>
>> Just hang in there. When Ocal 2.0 come out it'll be
>> fantastic and I'll
>> be pushing it on all my friends for all it's worth. (and
>> that is worth
>> very much!)
>>
>> On 9/20/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
>> wrote:
>> > Hello.
>> >
>> > So... Is OCAL dead?
>> >
>> > Cheers.
>> >
>> > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
>> >> Subject: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the
>> website
>> >> To: clipart@...
>> >> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 6:13 PM
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> I was wondering whether there was any news about
>> the upload
>> >> problem to http://openclipart.org
>> >>
>> >> The last upload appearing is dated from July,31st
>> 2009, so
>> >> I guess the upload functionality hasn't been
>> restored yet?
>> >>
>> >> We've seen at least two bug reports
>> >> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23312
>> >> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23527
>> >>
>> >> but nothing in them indicates what has been done.
>> >> There is also no assignee to these bug reports.
>> >>
>> >> Is anyone in charge of checking out the situation,
>> or
>> >> investigating, or... doing what needs to be done,
>> why it
>> >> broke, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for any information - it would really be a
>> pity if
>> >> OCAL was dying because no clipart can be uploaded
>> :-)
>> >>
>
>
>
>
>

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[Alan-86]

Hang in there everyone.

OpenClipart is about 2-3 years ahead of it's time.  Is it the right
idea?  Absolutely. Like most things just a little ahead of their time,
though, it takes a while for technology/software/social climate to get
it all together.

So take heart and be patient.

And recruit, please.  Anyone you know who is in a position with time and
talent to contribute.  University/college students, friends - anyone
with a talent and idea and an interest.

Get them involved.

Treat it like a fun project.  Like a puzzle you would work in your spare
time to get all the pieces together.

One little bit at a time.  The end picture will be awesome!

Alan

chovynz wrote:

> I'm not the one who can answer your questions.
>
> And yes, I'm well aware that this mailing list is for everyone not
> just Librarians. I did not state otherwise. :) I agree with all that
> you have written.
>
> However, as I replied, as far as I know (which is an educated guess),
> only Jon, Michi and Basil(?) can fix this particular problem. And they
> haven't said anything in reply to the emails which I've sent them.
>
> Someone has dropped the ball, that I can't pick up (which I would have
> otherwise picked up), and don't know what skills are needed, since
> communication has effectively stopped. Which is sad, because the
> potential of OCAL is far more than this *little* group that we
> currently have.
>
> I don't know what we are waiting for. I don't know what the problems
> are, but everything has halted. This is not a good situation, and last
> time I tried to say something I was told -paraphrased "Remember this
> is a volunteer thing. Solutions take time." So ... Since I can't fix
> the problem, and this is a "volunteer thing", I decided to not push
> too hard and just wait. I can wait as long as I need to.
>
> If Jon or Michi ends up listening to you, that's great! we can move
> forward again. I frankly don't care who fixes the problem, as long as
> someone does. I can't. Good luck in attracting their attention. :)
>
>
>
> On 9/21/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...> wrote:
>  
>> Well, thanks :-)
>>
>> I'm a subscriber to this list for almost 2 years now, so I do hang around
>> and talk occasionally ;-)
>>
>> This list is not only for librarians, it's actually the only mean Users, ,
>> Clipart contributors, Librarians, and Developers have to communicate about
>> OCAL. That's why it receives messages from list subscribers, and also bug
>> reports.
>>
>> As I was saying in my first message on Sept, 11th, uploads to OCAL have
>> stopped since July 31st.
>> Basically, it means that OCAL, which relies on users contributions for its
>> content, appears dead to both the group of Users ("No new cliparts
>> uploaded?") and to the Clipart contributors ("where am I going this new
>> clipart I made?")
>> These two groups are the most numerous groups among the Users, Clipart
>> contributors, Librarians, and Developers groups.
>> Another thing is that bug reports have not been touched nor assigned.
>>
>> I do understand that the limited number of people who might be able to fix
>> the errors are away or busy. On the other hand, there have been news posted
>> to the main OCAL page since the uploads ceased to work, so this means that
>> not all are busy all the time or away all the time.
>>
>> There are many other sites presenting cliparts to the public on the
>> Internet, OCAL is great because it represents a community effort to share
>> cliparts with the most "open" license. That was, I believe, the goal of its
>> founders, people from various projects (Ted Gould, Bryce Harrignton, Jon
>> Philips, among others... from the archive of this list, which goes back to
>> 2004)
>>
>> Now, if our site appears unmaintained for a long while - and 6 weeks *is* a
>> long time on the Internet - , users will simply be discouraged from
>> visiting, and will switch to another clipart site, which might, or might
>> not, support the same "cause". We will lose the benefits of years of
>> contributions and usage, and that will be a pity, really.
>> We will also lose the potential help of new developers, if
>> maintenance/development problems appear unanswered.
>>
>> So, what could be done? Maybe it would be worth to allow more people to be
>> involved with the site maintenance? It doesn't need to be a dozen people,
>> just a few... with the right permissions?
>>
>> Thanks for reading, and I hope, answering this concern.
>>
>> P.S.: I also see nothing new about what we call OCAL 2.0... but in my
>> understanding, this is less urgent (although it is important).
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, chovynz <chovynz@...> wrote:
>>
>>    
>>> From: chovynz <chovynz@...>
>>> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website
>>> To: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla@...>
>>> Cc: clipart@...
>>> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 6:53 AM
>>> Nope. Just, there's nothing the
>>> Librarians can do.
>>> There's only a limited number of people that can fix the
>>> problems
>>> server side, and those are busy or away.
>>>
>>> Just hang in there. When Ocal 2.0 come out it'll be
>>> fantastic and I'll
>>> be pushing it on all my friends for all it's worth. (and
>>> that is worth
>>> very much!)
>>>
>>> On 9/20/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>      
>>>> Hello.
>>>>
>>>> So... Is OCAL dead?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>>
>>>> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
>>>>        
>>> wrote:
>>>      
>>>>> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
>>>>> Subject: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the
>>>>>          
>>> website
>>>      
>>>>> To: clipart@...
>>>>> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 6:13 PM
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering whether there was any news about
>>>>>          
>>> the upload
>>>      
>>>>> problem to http://openclipart.org
>>>>>
>>>>> The last upload appearing is dated from July,31st
>>>>>          
>>> 2009, so
>>>      
>>>>> I guess the upload functionality hasn't been
>>>>>          
>>> restored yet?
>>>      
>>>>> We've seen at least two bug reports
>>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23312
>>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23527
>>>>>
>>>>> but nothing in them indicates what has been done.
>>>>> There is also no assignee to these bug reports.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone in charge of checking out the situation,
>>>>>          
>>> or
>>>      
>>>>> investigating, or... doing what needs to be done,
>>>>>          
>>> why it
>>>      
>>>>> broke, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any information - it would really be a
>>>>>          
>>> pity if
>>>      
>>>>> OCAL was dying because no clipart can be uploaded
>>>>>          
>>> :-)
>>>      
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>
>
>  

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[worms invasion]

Hi,

I don't know if OCAL is heading of its time, all I know is that is has been around for 5 years now, and that it would be a pity for the open source community if the project was abandonned, for any reason.

I also think that hanging around is sometimes not the best way to solve a problem. :-)

I grabbed rejon this morning on IRC, and he promised to do something tonight.

He also agreed that a community project can't just depend on one person, who can be very busy, so, very soon, the volunteers and the developers who are ready to help with maintenance and development of the site will have the opportunity to be *more* involved.

Thanks, rejon, for your time, we keep our fingers cross for tonight :-)

Regards.

--- On Sun, 9/20/09, Alan <alan@...> wrote:

> From: Alan <alan@...>
> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website
> To: "chovynz" <chovynz@...>
> Cc: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla@...>, clipart@...
> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 11:33 PM
> Hang in there everyone.
>
> OpenClipart is about 2-3 years ahead of it's time.  Is
> it the right
> idea?  Absolutely. Like most things just a little
> ahead of their time,
> though, it takes a while for technology/software/social
> climate to get
> it all together.
>
> So take heart and be patient.
>
> And recruit, please.  Anyone you know who is in a
> position with time and
> talent to contribute.  University/college students,
> friends - anyone
> with a talent and idea and an interest.
>
> Get them involved.
>
> Treat it like a fun project.  Like a puzzle you would
> work in your spare
> time to get all the pieces together.
>
> One little bit at a time.  The end picture will be
> awesome!
>
> Alan
>
> chovynz wrote:
> > I'm not the one who can answer your questions.
> >
> > And yes, I'm well aware that this mailing list is for
> everyone not
> > just Librarians. I did not state otherwise. :) I agree
> with all that
> > you have written.
> >
> > However, as I replied, as far as I know (which is an
> educated guess),
> > only Jon, Michi and Basil(?) can fix this particular
> problem. And they
> > haven't said anything in reply to the emails which
> I've sent them.
> >
> > Someone has dropped the ball, that I can't pick up
> (which I would have
> > otherwise picked up), and don't know what skills are
> needed, since
> > communication has effectively stopped. Which is sad,
> because the
> > potential of OCAL is far more than this *little* group
> that we
> > currently have.
> >
> > I don't know what we are waiting for. I don't know
> what the problems
> > are, but everything has halted. This is not a good
> situation, and last
> > time I tried to say something I was told -paraphrased
> "Remember this
> > is a volunteer thing. Solutions take time." So ...
> Since I can't fix
> > the problem, and this is a "volunteer thing", I
> decided to not push
> > too hard and just wait. I can wait as long as I need
> to.
> >
> > If Jon or Michi ends up listening to you, that's
> great! we can move
> > forward again. I frankly don't care who fixes the
> problem, as long as
> > someone does. I can't. Good luck in attracting their
> attention. :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/21/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
> wrote:
> >   
> >> Well, thanks :-)
> >>
> >> I'm a subscriber to this list for almost 2 years
> now, so I do hang around
> >> and talk occasionally ;-)
> >>
> >> This list is not only for librarians, it's
> actually the only mean Users, ,
> >> Clipart contributors, Librarians, and Developers
> have to communicate about
> >> OCAL. That's why it receives messages from list
> subscribers, and also bug
> >> reports.
> >>
> >> As I was saying in my first message on Sept, 11th,
> uploads to OCAL have
> >> stopped since July 31st.
> >> Basically, it means that OCAL, which relies on
> users contributions for its
> >> content, appears dead to both the group of Users
> ("No new cliparts
> >> uploaded?") and to the Clipart contributors
> ("where am I going this new
> >> clipart I made?")
> >> These two groups are the most numerous groups
> among the Users, Clipart
> >> contributors, Librarians, and Developers groups.
> >> Another thing is that bug reports have not been
> touched nor assigned.
> >>
> >> I do understand that the limited number of people
> who might be able to fix
> >> the errors are away or busy. On the other hand,
> there have been news posted
> >> to the main OCAL page since the uploads ceased to
> work, so this means that
> >> not all are busy all the time or away all the
> time.
> >>
> >> There are many other sites presenting cliparts to
> the public on the
> >> Internet, OCAL is great because it represents a
> community effort to share
> >> cliparts with the most "open" license. That was, I
> believe, the goal of its
> >> founders, people from various projects (Ted Gould,
> Bryce Harrignton, Jon
> >> Philips, among others... from the archive of this
> list, which goes back to
> >> 2004)
> >>
> >> Now, if our site appears unmaintained for a long
> while - and 6 weeks *is* a
> >> long time on the Internet - , users will simply be
> discouraged from
> >> visiting, and will switch to another clipart site,
> which might, or might
> >> not, support the same "cause". We will lose the
> benefits of years of
> >> contributions and usage, and that will be a pity,
> really.
> >> We will also lose the potential help of new
> developers, if
> >> maintenance/development problems appear
> unanswered.
> >>
> >> So, what could be done? Maybe it would be worth to
> allow more people to be
> >> involved with the site maintenance? It doesn't
> need to be a dozen people,
> >> just a few... with the right permissions?
> >>
> >> Thanks for reading, and I hope, answering this
> concern.
> >>
> >> P.S.: I also see nothing new about what we call
> OCAL 2.0... but in my
> >> understanding, this is less urgent (although it is
> important).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, chovynz <chovynz@...>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>     
> >>> From: chovynz <chovynz@...>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads
> to the website
> >>> To: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla@...>
> >>> Cc: clipart@...
> >>> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 6:53 AM
> >>> Nope. Just, there's nothing the
> >>> Librarians can do.
> >>> There's only a limited number of people that
> can fix the
> >>> problems
> >>> server side, and those are busy or away.
> >>>
> >>> Just hang in there. When Ocal 2.0 come out
> it'll be
> >>> fantastic and I'll
> >>> be pushing it on all my friends for all it's
> worth. (and
> >>> that is worth
> >>> very much!)
> >>>
> >>> On 9/20/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>       
> >>>> Hello.
> >>>>
> >>>> So... Is OCAL dead?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers.
> >>>>
> >>>> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
> >>>>         
> >>> wrote:
> >>>       
> >>>>> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
> >>>>> Subject: [Clipart] Status of the
> uploads to the
> >>>>>       
>    
> >>> website
> >>>       
> >>>>> To: clipart@...
> >>>>> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 6:13
> PM
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was wondering whether there was any
> news about
> >>>>>       
>    
> >>> the upload
> >>>       
> >>>>> problem to http://openclipart.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The last upload appearing is dated
> from July,31st
> >>>>>       
>    
> >>> 2009, so
> >>>       
> >>>>> I guess the upload functionality
> hasn't been
> >>>>>       
>    
> >>> restored yet?
> >>>       
> >>>>> We've seen at least two bug reports
> >>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23312
> >>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23527
> >>>>>
> >>>>> but nothing in them indicates what has
> been done.
> >>>>> There is also no assignee to these bug
> reports.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is anyone in charge of checking out
> the situation,
> >>>>>       
>    
> >>> or
> >>>       
> >>>>> investigating, or... doing what needs
> to be done,
> >>>>>       
>    
> >>> why it
> >>>       
> >>>>> broke, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for any information - it would
> really be a
> >>>>>       
>    
> >>> pity if
> >>>       
> >>>>> OCAL was dying because no clipart can
> be uploaded
> >>>>>       
>    
> >>> :-)
> >>>       
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     
> >
> >
> >   
>

     
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[worms invasion]

Hello,

Uploads are working again.
Many thanks to michi (Michael) and Victor.

wormsxulla

--- On Mon, 9/21/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...> wrote:

> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website
> To: "chovynz" <chovynz@...>, "Alan" <alan@...>
> Cc: clipart@...
> Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 3:55 AM
> Hi,
>
> I don't know if OCAL is heading of its time, all I know is
> that is has been around for 5 years now, and that it would
> be a pity for the open source community if the project was
> abandonned, for any reason.
>
> I also think that hanging around is sometimes not the best
> way to solve a problem. :-)
>
> I grabbed rejon this morning on IRC, and he promised to do
> something tonight.
>
> He also agreed that a community project can't just depend
> on one person, who can be very busy, so, very soon, the
> volunteers and the developers who are ready to help with
> maintenance and development of the site will have the
> opportunity to be *more* involved.
>
> Thanks, rejon, for your time, we keep our fingers cross for
> tonight :-)
>
> Regards.
>
> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Alan <alan@...>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Alan <alan@...>
> > Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the
> website
> > To: "chovynz" <chovynz@...>
> > Cc: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla@...>,
> clipart@...
> > Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 11:33 PM
> > Hang in there everyone.
> >
> > OpenClipart is about 2-3 years ahead of it's time. 
> Is
> > it the right
> > idea?  Absolutely. Like most things just a little
> > ahead of their time,
> > though, it takes a while for
> technology/software/social
> > climate to get
> > it all together.
> >
> > So take heart and be patient.
> >
> > And recruit, please.  Anyone you know who is in a
> > position with time and
> > talent to contribute.  University/college students,
> > friends - anyone
> > with a talent and idea and an interest.
> >
> > Get them involved.
> >
> > Treat it like a fun project.  Like a puzzle you
> would
> > work in your spare
> > time to get all the pieces together.
> >
> > One little bit at a time.  The end picture will be
> > awesome!
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > chovynz wrote:
> > > I'm not the one who can answer your questions.
> > >
> > > And yes, I'm well aware that this mailing list is
> for
> > everyone not
> > > just Librarians. I did not state otherwise. :) I
> agree
> > with all that
> > > you have written.
> > >
> > > However, as I replied, as far as I know (which is
> an
> > educated guess),
> > > only Jon, Michi and Basil(?) can fix this
> particular
> > problem. And they
> > > haven't said anything in reply to the emails
> which
> > I've sent them.
> > >
> > > Someone has dropped the ball, that I can't pick
> up
> > (which I would have
> > > otherwise picked up), and don't know what skills
> are
> > needed, since
> > > communication has effectively stopped. Which is
> sad,
> > because the
> > > potential of OCAL is far more than this *little*
> group
> > that we
> > > currently have.
> > >
> > > I don't know what we are waiting for. I don't
> know
> > what the problems
> > > are, but everything has halted. This is not a
> good
> > situation, and last
> > > time I tried to say something I was told
> -paraphrased
> > "Remember this
> > > is a volunteer thing. Solutions take time." So
> ...
> > Since I can't fix
> > > the problem, and this is a "volunteer thing", I
> > decided to not push
> > > too hard and just wait. I can wait as long as I
> need
> > to.
> > >
> > > If Jon or Michi ends up listening to you, that's
> > great! we can move
> > > forward again. I frankly don't care who fixes
> the
> > problem, as long as
> > > someone does. I can't. Good luck in attracting
> their
> > attention. :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/21/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
> > wrote:
> > >   
> > >> Well, thanks :-)
> > >>
> > >> I'm a subscriber to this list for almost 2
> years
> > now, so I do hang around
> > >> and talk occasionally ;-)
> > >>
> > >> This list is not only for librarians, it's
> > actually the only mean Users, ,
> > >> Clipart contributors, Librarians, and
> Developers
> > have to communicate about
> > >> OCAL. That's why it receives messages from
> list
> > subscribers, and also bug
> > >> reports.
> > >>
> > >> As I was saying in my first message on Sept,
> 11th,
> > uploads to OCAL have
> > >> stopped since July 31st.
> > >> Basically, it means that OCAL, which relies
> on
> > users contributions for its
> > >> content, appears dead to both the group of
> Users
> > ("No new cliparts
> > >> uploaded?") and to the Clipart contributors
> > ("where am I going this new
> > >> clipart I made?")
> > >> These two groups are the most numerous
> groups
> > among the Users, Clipart
> > >> contributors, Librarians, and Developers
> groups.
> > >> Another thing is that bug reports have not
> been
> > touched nor assigned.
> > >>
> > >> I do understand that the limited number of
> people
> > who might be able to fix
> > >> the errors are away or busy. On the other
> hand,
> > there have been news posted
> > >> to the main OCAL page since the uploads
> ceased to
> > work, so this means that
> > >> not all are busy all the time or away all
> the
> > time.
> > >>
> > >> There are many other sites presenting
> cliparts to
> > the public on the
> > >> Internet, OCAL is great because it represents
> a
> > community effort to share
> > >> cliparts with the most "open" license. That
> was, I
> > believe, the goal of its
> > >> founders, people from various projects (Ted
> Gould,
> > Bryce Harrignton, Jon
> > >> Philips, among others... from the archive of
> this
> > list, which goes back to
> > >> 2004)
> > >>
> > >> Now, if our site appears unmaintained for a
> long
> > while - and 6 weeks *is* a
> > >> long time on the Internet - , users will
> simply be
> > discouraged from
> > >> visiting, and will switch to another clipart
> site,
> > which might, or might
> > >> not, support the same "cause". We will lose
> the
> > benefits of years of
> > >> contributions and usage, and that will be a
> pity,
> > really.
> > >> We will also lose the potential help of new
> > developers, if
> > >> maintenance/development problems appear
> > unanswered.
> > >>
> > >> So, what could be done? Maybe it would be
> worth to
> > allow more people to be
> > >> involved with the site maintenance? It
> doesn't
> > need to be a dozen people,
> > >> just a few... with the right permissions?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for reading, and I hope, answering
> this
> > concern.
> > >>
> > >> P.S.: I also see nothing new about what we
> call
> > OCAL 2.0... but in my
> > >> understanding, this is less urgent (although
> it is
> > important).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, chovynz <chovynz@...>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>     
> > >>> From: chovynz <chovynz@...>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the
> uploads
> > to the website
> > >>> To: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla@...>
> > >>> Cc: clipart@...
> > >>> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 6:53
> AM
> > >>> Nope. Just, there's nothing the
> > >>> Librarians can do.
> > >>> There's only a limited number of people
> that
> > can fix the
> > >>> problems
> > >>> server side, and those are busy or away.
> > >>>
> > >>> Just hang in there. When Ocal 2.0 come
> out
> > it'll be
> > >>> fantastic and I'll
> > >>> be pushing it on all my friends for all
> it's
> > worth. (and
> > >>> that is worth
> > >>> very much!)
> > >>>
> > >>> On 9/20/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>       
> > >>>> Hello.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So... Is OCAL dead?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, worms invasion
> <wormsxulla@...>
> > >>>>         
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>       
> > >>>>> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
> > >>>>> Subject: [Clipart] Status of the
> > uploads to the
> > >>>>>       
> >    
> > >>> website
> > >>>       
> > >>>>> To: clipart@...
> > >>>>> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009,
> 6:13
> > PM
> > >>>>> Hello,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I was wondering whether there was
> any
> > news about
> > >>>>>       
> >    
> > >>> the upload
> > >>>       
> > >>>>> problem to http://openclipart.org
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The last upload appearing is
> dated
> > from July,31st
> > >>>>>       
> >    
> > >>> 2009, so
> > >>>       
> > >>>>> I guess the upload functionality
> > hasn't been
> > >>>>>       
> >    
> > >>> restored yet?
> > >>>       
> > >>>>> We've seen at least two bug
> reports
> > >>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23312
> > >>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23527
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> but nothing in them indicates
> what has
> > been done.
> > >>>>> There is also no assignee to
> these bug
> > reports.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Is anyone in charge of checking
> out
> > the situation,
> > >>>>>       
> >    
> > >>> or
> > >>>       
> > >>>>> investigating, or... doing what
> needs
> > to be done,
> > >>>>>       
> >    
> > >>> why it
> > >>>       
> > >>>>> broke, etc.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks for any information - it
> would
> > really be a
> > >>>>>       
> >    
> > >>> pity if
> > >>>       
> > >>>>> OCAL was dying because no clipart
> can
> > be uploaded
> > >>>>>       
> >    
> > >>> :-)
> > >>>       
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     
> > >
> > >
> > >   
> >
>
>
>      
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[Rudy O'Riley]

Thank you michi (Michael) and Victor.
Regards,
RudyO

--------------------------------------------------
From: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:01 AM
To: <clipart@...>
Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website

> Hello,
>
> Uploads are working again.
> Many thanks to michi (Michael) and Victor.
>
> wormsxulla
>
> --- On Mon, 9/21/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...> wrote:
>
>> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
>> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website
>> To: "chovynz" <chovynz@...>, "Alan" <alan@...>
>> Cc: clipart@...
>> Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 3:55 AM
>> Hi,
>>
>> I don't know if OCAL is heading of its time, all I know is
>> that is has been around for 5 years now, and that it would
>> be a pity for the open source community if the project was
>> abandonned, for any reason.
>>
>> I also think that hanging around is sometimes not the best
>> way to solve a problem. :-)
>>
>> I grabbed rejon this morning on IRC, and he promised to do
>> something tonight.
>>
>> He also agreed that a community project can't just depend
>> on one person, who can be very busy, so, very soon, the
>> volunteers and the developers who are ready to help with
>> maintenance and development of the site will have the
>> opportunity to be *more* involved.
>>
>> Thanks, rejon, for your time, we keep our fingers cross for
>> tonight :-)
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Alan <alan@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Alan <alan@...>
>> > Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the
>> website
>> > To: "chovynz" <chovynz@...>
>> > Cc: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla@...>,
>> clipart@...
>> > Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 11:33 PM
>> > Hang in there everyone.
>> >
>> > OpenClipart is about 2-3 years ahead of it's time.
>> Is
>> > it the right
>> > idea?  Absolutely. Like most things just a little
>> > ahead of their time,
>> > though, it takes a while for
>> technology/software/social
>> > climate to get
>> > it all together.
>> >
>> > So take heart and be patient.
>> >
>> > And recruit, please.  Anyone you know who is in a
>> > position with time and
>> > talent to contribute.  University/college students,
>> > friends - anyone
>> > with a talent and idea and an interest.
>> >
>> > Get them involved.
>> >
>> > Treat it like a fun project.  Like a puzzle you
>> would
>> > work in your spare
>> > time to get all the pieces together.
>> >
>> > One little bit at a time.  The end picture will be
>> > awesome!
>> >
>> > Alan
>> >
>> > chovynz wrote:
>> > > I'm not the one who can answer your questions.
>> > >
>> > > And yes, I'm well aware that this mailing list is
>> for
>> > everyone not
>> > > just Librarians. I did not state otherwise. :) I
>> agree
>> > with all that
>> > > you have written.
>> > >
>> > > However, as I replied, as far as I know (which is
>> an
>> > educated guess),
>> > > only Jon, Michi and Basil(?) can fix this
>> particular
>> > problem. And they
>> > > haven't said anything in reply to the emails
>> which
>> > I've sent them.
>> > >
>> > > Someone has dropped the ball, that I can't pick
>> up
>> > (which I would have
>> > > otherwise picked up), and don't know what skills
>> are
>> > needed, since
>> > > communication has effectively stopped. Which is
>> sad,
>> > because the
>> > > potential of OCAL is far more than this *little*
>> group
>> > that we
>> > > currently have.
>> > >
>> > > I don't know what we are waiting for. I don't
>> know
>> > what the problems
>> > > are, but everything has halted. This is not a
>> good
>> > situation, and last
>> > > time I tried to say something I was told
>> -paraphrased
>> > "Remember this
>> > > is a volunteer thing. Solutions take time." So
>> ...
>> > Since I can't fix
>> > > the problem, and this is a "volunteer thing", I
>> > decided to not push
>> > > too hard and just wait. I can wait as long as I
>> need
>> > to.
>> > >
>> > > If Jon or Michi ends up listening to you, that's
>> > great! we can move
>> > > forward again. I frankly don't care who fixes
>> the
>> > problem, as long as
>> > > someone does. I can't. Good luck in attracting
>> their
>> > attention. :)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 9/21/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
>> > wrote:
>> > >  
>> > >> Well, thanks :-)
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm a subscriber to this list for almost 2
>> years
>> > now, so I do hang around
>> > >> and talk occasionally ;-)
>> > >>
>> > >> This list is not only for librarians, it's
>> > actually the only mean Users, ,
>> > >> Clipart contributors, Librarians, and
>> Developers
>> > have to communicate about
>> > >> OCAL. That's why it receives messages from
>> list
>> > subscribers, and also bug
>> > >> reports.
>> > >>
>> > >> As I was saying in my first message on Sept,
>> 11th,
>> > uploads to OCAL have
>> > >> stopped since July 31st.
>> > >> Basically, it means that OCAL, which relies
>> on
>> > users contributions for its
>> > >> content, appears dead to both the group of
>> Users
>> > ("No new cliparts
>> > >> uploaded?") and to the Clipart contributors
>> > ("where am I going this new
>> > >> clipart I made?")
>> > >> These two groups are the most numerous
>> groups
>> > among the Users, Clipart
>> > >> contributors, Librarians, and Developers
>> groups.
>> > >> Another thing is that bug reports have not
>> been
>> > touched nor assigned.
>> > >>
>> > >> I do understand that the limited number of
>> people
>> > who might be able to fix
>> > >> the errors are away or busy. On the other
>> hand,
>> > there have been news posted
>> > >> to the main OCAL page since the uploads
>> ceased to
>> > work, so this means that
>> > >> not all are busy all the time or away all
>> the
>> > time.
>> > >>
>> > >> There are many other sites presenting
>> cliparts to
>> > the public on the
>> > >> Internet, OCAL is great because it represents
>> a
>> > community effort to share
>> > >> cliparts with the most "open" license. That
>> was, I
>> > believe, the goal of its
>> > >> founders, people from various projects (Ted
>> Gould,
>> > Bryce Harrignton, Jon
>> > >> Philips, among others... from the archive of
>> this
>> > list, which goes back to
>> > >> 2004)
>> > >>
>> > >> Now, if our site appears unmaintained for a
>> long
>> > while - and 6 weeks *is* a
>> > >> long time on the Internet - , users will
>> simply be
>> > discouraged from
>> > >> visiting, and will switch to another clipart
>> site,
>> > which might, or might
>> > >> not, support the same "cause". We will lose
>> the
>> > benefits of years of
>> > >> contributions and usage, and that will be a
>> pity,
>> > really.
>> > >> We will also lose the potential help of new
>> > developers, if
>> > >> maintenance/development problems appear
>> > unanswered.
>> > >>
>> > >> So, what could be done? Maybe it would be
>> worth to
>> > allow more people to be
>> > >> involved with the site maintenance? It
>> doesn't
>> > need to be a dozen people,
>> > >> just a few... with the right permissions?
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks for reading, and I hope, answering
>> this
>> > concern.
>> > >>
>> > >> P.S.: I also see nothing new about what we
>> call
>> > OCAL 2.0... but in my
>> > >> understanding, this is less urgent (although
>> it is
>> > important).
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, chovynz <chovynz@...>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>    
>> > >>> From: chovynz <chovynz@...>
>> > >>> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the
>> uploads
>> > to the website
>> > >>> To: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla@...>
>> > >>> Cc: clipart@...
>> > >>> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 6:53
>> AM
>> > >>> Nope. Just, there's nothing the
>> > >>> Librarians can do.
>> > >>> There's only a limited number of people
>> that
>> > can fix the
>> > >>> problems
>> > >>> server side, and those are busy or away.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Just hang in there. When Ocal 2.0 come
>> out
>> > it'll be
>> > >>> fantastic and I'll
>> > >>> be pushing it on all my friends for all
>> it's
>> > worth. (and
>> > >>> that is worth
>> > >>> very much!)
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 9/20/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>      
>> > >>>> Hello.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> So... Is OCAL dead?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Cheers.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, worms invasion
>> <wormsxulla@...>
>> > >>>>        
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>      
>> > >>>>> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
>> > >>>>> Subject: [Clipart] Status of the
>> > uploads to the
>> > >>>>>      
>> >    
>> > >>> website
>> > >>>      
>> > >>>>> To: clipart@...
>> > >>>>> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009,
>> 6:13
>> > PM
>> > >>>>> Hello,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> I was wondering whether there was
>> any
>> > news about
>> > >>>>>      
>> >    
>> > >>> the upload
>> > >>>      
>> > >>>>> problem to http://openclipart.org
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> The last upload appearing is
>> dated
>> > from July,31st
>> > >>>>>      
>> >    
>> > >>> 2009, so
>> > >>>      
>> > >>>>> I guess the upload functionality
>> > hasn't been
>> > >>>>>      
>> >    
>> > >>> restored yet?
>> > >>>      
>> > >>>>> We've seen at least two bug
>> reports
>> > >>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23312
>> > >>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23527
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> but nothing in them indicates
>> what has
>> > been done.
>> > >>>>> There is also no assignee to
>> these bug
>> > reports.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Is anyone in charge of checking
>> out
>> > the situation,
>> > >>>>>      
>> >    
>> > >>> or
>> > >>>      
>> > >>>>> investigating, or... doing what
>> needs
>> > to be done,
>> > >>>>>      
>> >    
>> > >>> why it
>> > >>>      
>> > >>>>> broke, etc.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Thanks for any information - it
>> would
>> > really be a
>> > >>>>>      
>> >    
>> > >>> pity if
>> > >>>      
>> > >>>>> OCAL was dying because no clipart
>> can
>> > be uploaded
>> > >>>>>      
>> >    
>> > >>> :-)
>> > >>>      
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>    
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  
>> >
>>
>>
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Thanks guys, you are great!

Jon

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Rudy O'Riley <rudyo-riley@...> wrote:

> Thank you michi (Michael) and Victor.
> Regards,
> RudyO
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla@...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:01 AM
> To: <clipart@...>
> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Uploads are working again.
>> Many thanks to michi (Michael) and Victor.
>>
>> wormsxulla
>>
>> --- On Mon, 9/21/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...> wrote:
>>
>>> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
>>> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website
>>> To: "chovynz" <chovynz@...>, "Alan" <alan@...>
>>> Cc: clipart@...
>>> Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 3:55 AM
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I don't know if OCAL is heading of its time, all I know is
>>> that is has been around for 5 years now, and that it would
>>> be a pity for the open source community if the project was
>>> abandonned, for any reason.
>>>
>>> I also think that hanging around is sometimes not the best
>>> way to solve a problem. :-)
>>>
>>> I grabbed rejon this morning on IRC, and he promised to do
>>> something tonight.
>>>
>>> He also agreed that a community project can't just depend
>>> on one person, who can be very busy, so, very soon, the
>>> volunteers and the developers who are ready to help with
>>> maintenance and development of the site will have the
>>> opportunity to be *more* involved.
>>>
>>> Thanks, rejon, for your time, we keep our fingers cross for
>>> tonight :-)
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Alan <alan@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > From: Alan <alan@...>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the
>>> website
>>> > To: "chovynz" <chovynz@...>
>>> > Cc: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla@...>,
>>> clipart@...
>>> > Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 11:33 PM
>>> > Hang in there everyone.
>>> >
>>> > OpenClipart is about 2-3 years ahead of it's time.
>>> Is
>>> > it the right
>>> > idea?  Absolutely. Like most things just a little
>>> > ahead of their time,
>>> > though, it takes a while for
>>> technology/software/social
>>> > climate to get
>>> > it all together.
>>> >
>>> > So take heart and be patient.
>>> >
>>> > And recruit, please.  Anyone you know who is in a
>>> > position with time and
>>> > talent to contribute.  University/college students,
>>> > friends - anyone
>>> > with a talent and idea and an interest.
>>> >
>>> > Get them involved.
>>> >
>>> > Treat it like a fun project.  Like a puzzle you
>>> would
>>> > work in your spare
>>> > time to get all the pieces together.
>>> >
>>> > One little bit at a time.  The end picture will be
>>> > awesome!
>>> >
>>> > Alan
>>> >
>>> > chovynz wrote:
>>> > > I'm not the one who can answer your questions.
>>> > >
>>> > > And yes, I'm well aware that this mailing list is
>>> for
>>> > everyone not
>>> > > just Librarians. I did not state otherwise. :) I
>>> agree
>>> > with all that
>>> > > you have written.
>>> > >
>>> > > However, as I replied, as far as I know (which is
>>> an
>>> > educated guess),
>>> > > only Jon, Michi and Basil(?) can fix this
>>> particular
>>> > problem. And they
>>> > > haven't said anything in reply to the emails
>>> which
>>> > I've sent them.
>>> > >
>>> > > Someone has dropped the ball, that I can't pick
>>> up
>>> > (which I would have
>>> > > otherwise picked up), and don't know what skills
>>> are
>>> > needed, since
>>> > > communication has effectively stopped. Which is
>>> sad,
>>> > because the
>>> > > potential of OCAL is far more than this *little*
>>> group
>>> > that we
>>> > > currently have.
>>> > >
>>> > > I don't know what we are waiting for. I don't
>>> know
>>> > what the problems
>>> > > are, but everything has halted. This is not a
>>> good
>>> > situation, and last
>>> > > time I tried to say something I was told
>>> -paraphrased
>>> > "Remember this
>>> > > is a volunteer thing. Solutions take time." So
>>> ...
>>> > Since I can't fix
>>> > > the problem, and this is a "volunteer thing", I
>>> > decided to not push
>>> > > too hard and just wait. I can wait as long as I
>>> need
>>> > to.
>>> > >
>>> > > If Jon or Michi ends up listening to you, that's
>>> > great! we can move
>>> > > forward again. I frankly don't care who fixes
>>> the
>>> > problem, as long as
>>> > > someone does. I can't. Good luck in attracting
>>> their
>>> > attention. :)
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On 9/21/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Well, thanks :-)
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I'm a subscriber to this list for almost 2
>>> years
>>> > now, so I do hang around
>>> > >> and talk occasionally ;-)
>>> > >>
>>> > >> This list is not only for librarians, it's
>>> > actually the only mean Users, ,
>>> > >> Clipart contributors, Librarians, and
>>> Developers
>>> > have to communicate about
>>> > >> OCAL. That's why it receives messages from
>>> list
>>> > subscribers, and also bug
>>> > >> reports.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> As I was saying in my first message on Sept,
>>> 11th,
>>> > uploads to OCAL have
>>> > >> stopped since July 31st.
>>> > >> Basically, it means that OCAL, which relies
>>> on
>>> > users contributions for its
>>> > >> content, appears dead to both the group of
>>> Users
>>> > ("No new cliparts
>>> > >> uploaded?") and to the Clipart contributors
>>> > ("where am I going this new
>>> > >> clipart I made?")
>>> > >> These two groups are the most numerous
>>> groups
>>> > among the Users, Clipart
>>> > >> contributors, Librarians, and Developers
>>> groups.
>>> > >> Another thing is that bug reports have not
>>> been
>>> > touched nor assigned.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I do understand that the limited number of
>>> people
>>> > who might be able to fix
>>> > >> the errors are away or busy. On the other
>>> hand,
>>> > there have been news posted
>>> > >> to the main OCAL page since the uploads
>>> ceased to
>>> > work, so this means that
>>> > >> not all are busy all the time or away all
>>> the
>>> > time.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> There are many other sites presenting
>>> cliparts to
>>> > the public on the
>>> > >> Internet, OCAL is great because it represents
>>> a
>>> > community effort to share
>>> > >> cliparts with the most "open" license. That
>>> was, I
>>> > believe, the goal of its
>>> > >> founders, people from various projects (Ted
>>> Gould,
>>> > Bryce Harrignton, Jon
>>> > >> Philips, among others... from the archive of
>>> this
>>> > list, which goes back to
>>> > >> 2004)
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Now, if our site appears unmaintained for a
>>> long
>>> > while - and 6 weeks *is* a
>>> > >> long time on the Internet - , users will
>>> simply be
>>> > discouraged from
>>> > >> visiting, and will switch to another clipart
>>> site,
>>> > which might, or might
>>> > >> not, support the same "cause". We will lose
>>> the
>>> > benefits of years of
>>> > >> contributions and usage, and that will be a
>>> pity,
>>> > really.
>>> > >> We will also lose the potential help of new
>>> > developers, if
>>> > >> maintenance/development problems appear
>>> > unanswered.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> So, what could be done? Maybe it would be
>>> worth to
>>> > allow more people to be
>>> > >> involved with the site maintenance? It
>>> doesn't
>>> > need to be a dozen people,
>>> > >> just a few... with the right permissions?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Thanks for reading, and I hope, answering
>>> this
>>> > concern.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> P.S.: I also see nothing new about what we
>>> call
>>> > OCAL 2.0... but in my
>>> > >> understanding, this is less urgent (although
>>> it is
>>> > important).
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, chovynz <chovynz@...>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> From: chovynz <chovynz@...>
>>> > >>> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the
>>> uploads
>>> > to the website
>>> > >>> To: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla@...>
>>> > >>> Cc: clipart@...
>>> > >>> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 6:53
>>> AM
>>> > >>> Nope. Just, there's nothing the
>>> > >>> Librarians can do.
>>> > >>> There's only a limited number of people
>>> that
>>> > can fix the
>>> > >>> problems
>>> > >>> server side, and those are busy or away.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Just hang in there. When Ocal 2.0 come
>>> out
>>> > it'll be
>>> > >>> fantastic and I'll
>>> > >>> be pushing it on all my friends for all
>>> it's
>>> > worth. (and
>>> > >>> that is worth
>>> > >>> very much!)
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On 9/20/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
>>> > >>> wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>> Hello.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> So... Is OCAL dead?
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Cheers.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, worms invasion
>>> <wormsxulla@...>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>> wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla@...>
>>> > >>>>> Subject: [Clipart] Status of the
>>> > uploads to the
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> website
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>> To: clipart@...
>>> > >>>>> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009,
>>> 6:13
>>> > PM
>>> > >>>>> Hello,
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> I was wondering whether there was
>>> any
>>> > news about
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> the upload
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>> problem to http://openclipart.org
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> The last upload appearing is
>>> dated
>>> > from July,31st
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> 2009, so
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>> I guess the upload functionality
>>> > hasn't been
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> restored yet?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>> We've seen at least two bug
>>> reports
>>> > >>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23312
>>> > >>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23527
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> but nothing in them indicates
>>> what has
>>> > been done.
>>> > >>>>> There is also no assignee to
>>> these bug
>>> > reports.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Is anyone in charge of checking
>>> out
>>> > the situation,
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> or
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>> investigating, or... doing what
>>> needs
>>> > to be done,
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> why it
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>> broke, etc.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Thanks for any information - it
>>> would
>>> > really be a
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> pity if
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>> OCAL was dying because no clipart
>>> can
>>> > be uploaded
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> :-)
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
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[Oleg Koptev]

wahooo!

Michi, Victor - congratulations!!

Wormsxulla - thanks for great news :)

Cheerz!
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[Jon Phillips]

BTW, all, Bassel will become a new admin as well as myself, and
Michael. This will help improve throughput.

The fix to ccHost is a temporary hack, but should keep us going for
the short term.

Good news! Get the uploads going!!! Hell, in honor, maybe do a package
up of the latest cliparts!

Jon

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Oleg Koptev <koptev.oleg@...> wrote:
> wahooo!
>
> Michi, Victor - congratulations!!
>
> Wormsxulla - thanks for great news :)
>
> Cheerz!



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[Максим-19]

Hi. I can not upload file size of 552 KB.
I get a blank page and all.

2009/9/24 Jon Phillips <jon@...>

BTW, all, Bassel will become a new admin as well as myself, and
Michael. This will help improve throughput.

The fix to ccHost is a temporary hack, but should keep us going for
the short term.

Good news! Get the uploads going!!! Hell, in honor, maybe do a package
up of the latest cliparts!

Jon

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Oleg Koptev <koptev.oleg@...> wrote:
> wahooo!
>
> Michi, Victor - congratulations!!
>
> Wormsxulla - thanks for great news :)
>
> Cheerz!

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[Jon Phillips]

I think that's the old problem actually ;)

Still some persist.

Jon

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Максим <maxim.s.barabash@...> wrote:

> Hi. I can not upload file size of 552 KB.
> I get a blank page and all.
>
>
> 2009/9/24 Jon Phillips <jon@...>
>>
>> BTW, all, Bassel will become a new admin as well as myself, and
>> Michael. This will help improve throughput.
>>
>> The fix to ccHost is a temporary hack, but should keep us going for
>> the short term.
>>
>> Good news! Get the uploads going!!! Hell, in honor, maybe do a package
>> up of the latest cliparts!
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Oleg Koptev <koptev.oleg@...>
>> wrote:
>> > wahooo!
>> >
>> > Michi, Victor - congratulations!!
>> >
>> > Wormsxulla - thanks for great news :)
>> >
>> > Cheerz!
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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[chovynz chovynz]

*Pops a cork on a bottle*
Haaawhoo! Thanks much greatly big chief Jon and others!



On 9/25/09, Jon Phillips <jon@...> wrote:

> I think that's the old problem actually ;)
>
> Still some persist.
>
> Jon
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Максим <maxim.s.barabash@...> wrote:
>> Hi. I can not upload file size of 552 KB.
>> I get a blank page and all.
>>
>>
>> 2009/9/24 Jon Phillips <jon@...>
>>>
>>> BTW, all, Bassel will become a new admin as well as myself, and
>>> Michael. This will help improve throughput.
>>>
>>> The fix to ccHost is a temporary hack, but should keep us going for
>>> the short term.
>>>
>>> Good news! Get the uploads going!!! Hell, in honor, maybe do a package
>>> up of the latest cliparts!
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Oleg Koptev <koptev.oleg@...>
>>> wrote:
>>> > wahooo!
>>> >
>>> > Michi, Victor - congratulations!!
>>> >
>>> > Wormsxulla - thanks for great news :)
>>> >
>>> > Cheerz!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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Hats off to Michi on this one!!!

Jon

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:55 PM, chovynz <chovynz@...> wrote:

> *Pops a cork on a bottle*
> Haaawhoo! Thanks much greatly big chief Jon and others!
>
>
>
> On 9/25/09, Jon Phillips <jon@...> wrote:
>> I think that's the old problem actually ;)
>>
>> Still some persist.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Максим <maxim.s.barabash@...> wrote:
>>> Hi. I can not upload file size of 552 KB.
>>> I get a blank page and all.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/9/24 Jon Phillips <jon@...>
>>>>
>>>> BTW, all, Bassel will become a new admin as well as myself, and
>>>> Michael. This will help improve throughput.
>>>>
>>>> The fix to ccHost is a temporary hack, but should keep us going for
>>>> the short term.
>>>>
>>>> Good news! Get the uploads going!!! Hell, in honor, maybe do a package
>>>> up of the latest cliparts!
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Oleg Koptev <koptev.oleg@...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > wahooo!
>>>> >
>>>> > Michi, Victor - congratulations!!
>>>> >
>>>> > Wormsxulla - thanks for great news :)
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheerz!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>
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