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[aparajita]

Hi,

I can't go to the Summit, but they have offered me 5 minutes for a  
screencast.

I'm looking for ideas. What is it about Active4D that is most  
compelling to you? If you had only 5 minutes to get interested in  
Active4D, what would you want to see?

Kind regards,

    Aparajita
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    "If you dare to fail, you are bound to succeed."
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[Michael Kaye-4]

Built in session management :-)

seriously though I think this is the most compelling thing for me. Who  
wants to build their own session management code from scratch.

hope this helps. M.

On 30 Sep 2009, at 17:33, Aparajita Fishman wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I can't go to the Summit, but they have offered me 5 minutes for a  
> screencast.
>
> I'm looking for ideas. What is it about Active4D that is most  
> compelling to you? If you had only 5 minutes to get interested in  
> Active4D, what would you want to see?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>   Aparajita
>   www.aparajitaworld.com
>
>   "If you dare to fail, you are bound to succeed."
>   - Sri Chinmoy   |   www.srichinmoy.org
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[Peter Schumacher-2]

Hi,

Am 30.09.2009 um 18:33 schrieb Aparajita Fishman:

>  If you had only 5 minutes to get interested in Active4D, what would  
> you want to see?



assuming they never touched A4D:

* do a drag & drop install of the shell for the 4D WebExtension
* compile
* show the virtual host file and folder hierachy
* show a little demo with some 4D code inside the html
* show the debug window in the browser
* show the console on the server
* show the session management
* mention the libraries, AJAX + JSON support, that it works with 4D's  
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[aparajita]

> Who wants to build their own session management code from scratch.

You wouldn't believe how many do! Unfortunately the closed nature of  
4D (we *still* can't edit methods in text files!) and it's ecosystem  
does not encourage developers to be open to code written by others.  
The exact opposite of the rest of the web world, unfortunately.

Kind regards,

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[B. Perkins]

Session management pays for itself, but I think you already say that in
the literature.

The other biggie for me is collections, aka associative arrays. Since
web programming "data" is text being able to reference an array by a
named value is invaluable. I still have to maintain some legacy 4D web
code and having to store data in parallel arrays, find a value in one,
save the index, then reference another array or arrays by that index is
painful.

Your sprintf equivalent (the name you use escapes me) is also very
useful. There are dozens of other little features like that that I'm
sure we all take for granted and probably many that we don't use because
we're "used to writing 4D code".

-- Brad Perkins

> Hi,
>
> I can't go to the Summit, but they have offered me 5 minutes for a
> screencast.
>
> I'm looking for ideas. What is it about Active4D that is most
> compelling to you? If you had only 5 minutes to get interested in
> Active4D, what would you want to see?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>    Aparajita
>    www.aparajitaworld.com
>
>    "If you dare to fail, you are bound to succeed."
>    - Sri Chinmoy   |   www.srichinmoy.org
>
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[Michael Larue-2]

Wednesday, September 30, 2009

Hi Aparajita,

> What is it about Active4D that is most
> compelling to you? If you had only 5 minutes to get interested in
> Active4D, what would you want to see?

The 2 biggies for me are session management and being able to write 4D code
in the web page.

If all you have is 5 minutes, I would think showing these two features off
would probably use up most of that time. It would make the greatest impact
for any 4D developer who hasn't seen it before and who has struggled dealing
with trying to do web coding without it (or rolling their own).

It's what blew me away the first time I saw it and continues to be the main
features I use day in and day out. Although it would be easy to take them
for granted after so many years, I simply couldn't imagine doing web
development without them.

Good luck!!!

Michael Larue

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[Peter Jakobsson-2]

On 30 Sep 2009, at 21:16, Michael Larue wrote:

> The 2 biggies for me are session management and being able to write  
> 4D code
> in the web page.

I would agree with this.

Only thing I would add (and this may be beyond the scope of a 5 minute  
presentation, but it's HUGELY handy) is the ability to prototype page  
components in Dreamweaver with a site stylesheet attatched, then add a  
few lines of dynamic script from Active 4D and have a working dynamic  
page in a few minutes. For example:

[1] make your 'beautiful' looking product cell in D-W
[2] put <% = product_name %>  and  <% =  
String(product_price;"$###,##0.00") %> in it
[3] save it as a page component
[4] create another page with a FOR loop and an include
[5] bingo - display your page of 10 products from the DB in the site  
template

The ability of Active 4D to integrate so well with real html editors  
is a great advantage (even though us hardened DB programmers use  
Textmate all the time because the web wasn't invented when we were at  
school :))

b.t.w. in a demo, I would stay away from active 4D's own command set  
and stick exclusively to 4D's except for stating that it exists and  
how comprehensive it is. This will keep everything familiar while  
still showing there's and 'untapped world' to be explored.

h.t.h.

Regards

Peter

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[Oliver Brodwolf]

Hello Aparajita

For me there are 5 things.
1. Show the results. (Show some Websites which are working with pur  
Active4D for example (www.jungfrauzeitung.ch, a newspaper where 9  
people create each day local news, and in switzerland the publisher-
world talks about the most innovative cms for newspapers.)
2. Tell how long people work with Active4D ( We started with version  
2,from many years)
3. Change a view things in a example-Code and show the result in the  
webbrowser (Developing is very easy, and on one project there can work  
many people at the same time. No recompiling)
4. Performance: Show code which demonstrate how fast Active 4D is.  
(For this I use always a beep at start and a beep at end)
5. Show a example with collection-handling. (We can't live without  
this!)

Regards, Oliver



Am 30.09.2009 um 18:33 schrieb Aparajita Fishman:

> Hi,
>
> I can't go to the Summit, but they have offered me 5 minutes for a  
> screencast.
>
> I'm looking for ideas. What is it about Active4D that is most  
> compelling to you? If you had only 5 minutes to get interested in  
> Active4D, what would you want to see?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>   Aparajita
>   www.aparajitaworld.com
>
>   "If you dare to fail, you are bound to succeed."
>   - Sri Chinmoy   |   www.srichinmoy.org
>
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[John Milton-3]

On 30 Sep 2009, at 5:33 pm, Aparajita Fishman wrote:

> I'm looking for ideas. What is it about Active4D that is most  
> compelling to you? If you had only 5 minutes to get interested in  
> Active4D, what would you want to see?

Hi Aparajita -

For me it would be the ease of exposing data in 4D in a web (2.0)  
interface.

For example : ExtJS grid (or your front-end of choice) plus A4D's json  
library on the back end. Probably no more than half a dozen "lines" of  
code at either end to deliver a fully functioning, paging grid etc.  
Probably enough time left to make it an editor grid and throw  
a4d.utils.cud in too :-)

Congratulations on the release of v5!

Regards

John
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