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Re: New facility to search Help files

2009-11-20T05:55:57Z

I tried this and it locks up SC. As a matter of fact, if I try to open the help files directly in SC they lock up. I remember being able to do this. Has something changed?

Also, every time I open any new help file (in Firefox) it warns that it's an application downloaded from the web. Any way to fix this?

Re: OT : South Indian Algorithmic Composition Evaluation

2009-08-14T03:23:40Z

Hello,

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that I came to know this company when I was looking who to use to
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of talented professionals working there

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Re: THIS FORUM IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2009-05-20T03:23:08Z

How can I delete my old nabble SC account though? I cannot seem to delelte it. best, karl

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THIS FORUM IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2009-05-20T01:38:11Z

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Re: No Sound

2009-05-20T01:37:19Z

Regarding your perception of everyone being 'high and bothered', you are posting on a dead forum: http://www.nabble.com/Attention-Nabble-Users-and-Digest-Fans%2C-new-forums%21%21%21%21-td23197837.html

had the same problem after installing on windowsXP.
maybe have one very simple solution, worked for me :P
what I didn´t know was you need to hold Ctrl and press Enter to activate some line of code.
f.ex.
x = {SinOsc.ar(499)}.play;
put the curser after ...play;|
and press Ctrl+Enter

to stop the sound, you write the code
x.free;
and do the same with cursor & Ctrl+Enter.

======================================================================

yj777 wrote:

Is there anyone who can give me ANY tips for getting SC working?
wow.. this is pretty sad that nobody is kind enough to even reply..
if i post a message to the Reaktor forum, i get lots of help, no matter how silly the question is.. i guess all the people posting here and too high and mighty to be bothered with silly stuff..

yj777 wrote:

I am getting no sound out of supercollider-installer-3.3winAlpha6.zip
on Win XP SP2 using an M-Audio firewire pro 2626 interface running the latest drivers and also running ASIO4ALL.

I have the following statement in the startup.sc file:

s.options.device_("ASIO : ASIO4ALL v2");

The server seems to boot fine and i get the following:

Booting with:
In: ASIO : ASIO4ALL v2
Out: ASIO : ASIO4ALL v2
Sample rate: 44100.000
Latency (in/out): 0.012 / 0.012 sec
SuperCollider 3 server ready..
notification is on

I get a message from the ASIO4ALL tray app when SC starts: "512 samples at 44000"

but when i open a new code windows and run a simple command like {Pan2.ar(SinOsc.ar(440,0,0.1),0.0)}.play , i get no sound.

Thanks

Re: Panning and Stereo stuff

2009-05-20T01:35:53Z

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Felix Barry wrote:

Right, so I've managed to create a lovely new GUI for an instrument. Here is the code with a simple Sine Oscilator creating the sound (To keep things simple).

(

SynthDef("SineWave",{arg freq = 100, amp = 0.1, pan = 0;
Out.ar([0, 1], Pan2.ar(SinOsc.ar(freq, mul: amp), pan))}).writeDefFile;

w = SCWindow ("Test Window 3", Rect(500, 500, 500, 500));
w.front;

w.view.decorator = FlowLayout(w.view.bounds);

s = SCButton(w, 493 @ 50);
s.states = [["Start", Color.black, Color.green], ["Stop", Color.black, Color.red]];
s.action = { arg state;
if (state.value == 0, {a.free});
if (state.value == 1, {a = Synth("SineWave")})};

w.view.decorator.nextLine;

EZSlider(w, 453 @ 100, "Frequency", ControlSpec(100, 1000, \exponential, 1),
{arg slider;
a.set(\freq, slider.value)});

w.view.decorator.nextLine;

EZSlider(w, 453 @ 100, "Volume", ControlSpec(0.01, 0.5, \exponential, 0.001),
{arg slider;
a.set(\amp, slider.value)});

w.view.decorator.nextLine;

EZSlider(w, 453 @ 100, "Panning", ControlSpec(-1, 1, \exponential, 0.01),
{arg slider;
a.set(\pan, slider.value)});

)

It's working great, not a bother at all, but I can't seem to get the EZSlider command to control the panning. Any suggestions? Even if you can help me make it appear in both channels at least would be of great help!

Re: XP glitch

2009-05-20T01:35:04Z

See here for the answer to your problems: http://www.nabble.com/Attention-Nabble-Users-and-Digest-Fans%2C-new-forums%21%21%21%21-td23197837.html

I'm not sure if that isn't a bit harsh. As I understand; a lot of people on here develop and work on the Windows platform. I'm greatful for the work that's been done. I did get a reply in the end from Juan Gabriel Alzate Romero and yourself, so thanks to you guys. Asio4All's a bit fiddly, but my only solution for now.

I must say though. I don't like the layout of the forum and I keep getting errors and emails saying my message wasn't submitted, when I did appear to get replys. Very strange.

I did try s.latency = ..., which appeared to action a localhost post window response, but do little to the actual popping I'm getting. Hmm . .

yj777 wrote:

Dude, no one in this forum is going to reply to you, because, unfortunately, no one gives a shit.. unless you are running a mac or you ask a high level question.

I have been asking for help for several weeks now, and no one's had the decency to reply.

Anyway, the problems you are having are most likely related to the buffer allocated for the drivers in your interface. This is not adjustable from Supercollider.
To fix this, just allocate more memory to the buffer by going into the interface of your driver and double the buffer and give it a shot.

block wrote:

Hi,

I've just whipped off Vista and installed XP on my laptop - however am getting some glitches. I think it's due to the latency setting . . Is it adjustable from with Supercollider?

Many thanks,

Andy

Re: XP glitch

2009-05-19T16:10:07Z

I'm not sure if that isn't a bit harsh. As I understand; a lot of people on here develop and work on the Windows platform. I'm greatful for the work that's been done. I did get a reply in the end from Juan Gabriel Alzate Romero and yourself, so thanks to you guys. Asio4All's a bit fiddly, but my only solution for now.

I must say though. I don't like the layout of the forum and I keep getting errors and emails saying my message wasn't submitted, when I did appear to get replys. Very strange.

I did try s.latency = ..., which appeared to action a localhost post window response, but do little to the actual popping I'm getting. Hmm . .

Dude, no one in this forum is going to reply to you, because, unfortunately, no one gives a shit.. unless you are running a mac or you ask a high level question.

I have been asking for help for several weeks now, and no one's had the decency to reply.

Anyway, the problems you are having are most likely related to the buffer allocated for the drivers in your interface. This is not adjustable from Supercollider.
To fix this, just allocate more memory to the buffer by going into the interface of your driver and double the buffer and give it a shot.

block wrote:

Hi,

I've just whipped off Vista and installed XP on my laptop - however am getting some glitches. I think it's due to the latency setting . . Is it adjustable from with Supercollider?

Many thanks,

Andy

Panning and Stereo stuff

2009-05-18T07:29:03Z

Right, so I've managed to create a lovely new GUI for an instrument. Here is the code with a simple Sine Oscilator creating the sound (To keep things simple).

(

SynthDef("SineWave",{arg freq = 100, amp = 0.1, pan = 0;
Out.ar([0, 1], Pan2.ar(SinOsc.ar(freq, mul: amp), pan))}).writeDefFile;

w = SCWindow ("Test Window 3", Rect(500, 500, 500, 500));
w.front;

w.view.decorator = FlowLayout(w.view.bounds);

s = SCButton(w, 493 @ 50);
s.states = [["Start", Color.black, Color.green], ["Stop", Color.black, Color.red]];
s.action = { arg state;
if (state.value == 0, {a.free});
if (state.value == 1, {a = Synth("SineWave")})};

w.view.decorator.nextLine;

EZSlider(w, 453 @ 100, "Frequency", ControlSpec(100, 1000, \exponential, 1),
{arg slider;
a.set(\freq, slider.value)});

w.view.decorator.nextLine;

EZSlider(w, 453 @ 100, "Volume", ControlSpec(0.01, 0.5, \exponential, 0.001),
{arg slider;
a.set(\amp, slider.value)});

w.view.decorator.nextLine;

EZSlider(w, 453 @ 100, "Panning", ControlSpec(-1, 1, \exponential, 0.01),
{arg slider;
a.set(\pan, slider.value)});

)

It's working great, not a bother at all, but I can't seem to get the EZSlider command to control the panning. Any suggestions? Even if you can help me make it appear in both channels at least would be of great help!

Re: No Sound

2009-05-12T19:10:19Z

had the same problem after installing on windowsXP.
maybe have one very simple solution, worked for me :P
what I didn´t know was you need to hold Ctrl and press Enter to activate some line of code.
f.ex.
x = {SinOsc.ar(499)}.play;
put the curser after ...play;|
and press Ctrl+Enter

to stop the sound, you write the code
x.free;
and do the same with cursor & Ctrl+Enter.

======================================================================

Is there anyone who can give me ANY tips for getting SC working?
wow.. this is pretty sad that nobody is kind enough to even reply..
if i post a message to the Reaktor forum, i get lots of help, no matter how silly the question is.. i guess all the people posting here and too high and mighty to be bothered with silly stuff..

yj777 wrote:

I am getting no sound out of supercollider-installer-3.3winAlpha6.zip
on Win XP SP2 using an M-Audio firewire pro 2626 interface running the latest drivers and also running ASIO4ALL.

I have the following statement in the startup.sc file:

s.options.device_("ASIO : ASIO4ALL v2");

The server seems to boot fine and i get the following:

Booting with:
In: ASIO : ASIO4ALL v2
Out: ASIO : ASIO4ALL v2
Sample rate: 44100.000
Latency (in/out): 0.012 / 0.012 sec
SuperCollider 3 server ready..
notification is on

I get a message from the ASIO4ALL tray app when SC starts: "512 samples at 44000"

but when i open a new code windows and run a simple command like {Pan2.ar(SinOsc.ar(440,0,0.1),0.0)}.play , i get no sound.

Thanks

Re: XP glitch

2009-05-04T15:24:04Z

Dude, no one in this forum is going to reply to you, because, unfortunately, no one gives a shit.. unless you are running a mac or you ask a high level question.

I have been asking for help for several weeks now, and no one's had the decency to reply.

Anyway, the problems you are having are most likely related to the buffer allocated for the drivers in your interface. This is not adjustable from Supercollider.
To fix this, just allocate more memory to the buffer by going into the interface of your driver and double the buffer and give it a shot.

block wrote:

Hi,

I've just whipped off Vista and installed XP on my laptop - however am getting some glitches. I think it's due to the latency setting . . Is it adjustable from with Supercollider?

Many thanks,

Andy

XP glitch

2009-05-03T05:07:26Z

Hi,

I've just whipped off Vista and installed XP on my laptop - however am getting some glitches. I think it's due to the latency setting . . Is it adjustable from with Supercollider?

Many thanks,

Andy

Re: No Sound

2009-05-02T06:37:51Z

Is there anyone who can give me ANY tips for getting SC working?
wow.. this is pretty sad that nobody is kind enough to even reply..
if i post a message to the Reaktor forum, i get lots of help, no matter how silly the question is.. i guess all the people posting here and too high and mighty to be bothered with silly stuff..

yj777 wrote:

I am getting no sound out of supercollider-installer-3.3winAlpha6.zip
on Win XP SP2 using an M-Audio firewire pro 2626 interface running the latest drivers and also running ASIO4ALL.

I have the following statement in the startup.sc file:

s.options.device_("ASIO : ASIO4ALL v2");

The server seems to boot fine and i get the following:

Booting with:
In: ASIO : ASIO4ALL v2
Out: ASIO : ASIO4ALL v2
Sample rate: 44100.000
Latency (in/out): 0.012 / 0.012 sec
SuperCollider 3 server ready..
notification is on

I get a message from the ASIO4ALL tray app when SC starts: "512 samples at 44000"

but when i open a new code windows and run a simple command like {Pan2.ar(SinOsc.ar(440,0,0.1),0.0)}.play , i get no sound.

Thanks

Re: [sc-dev] Attention Nabble Users and Digest Fans, new forums!!!!

2009-04-26T05:41:47Z

Okay, as soon as this message is received the old Nabble forums will be unsubscribed. Long live the new ones...

On 23 Apr 2009, at 15:02, Scott Wilson wrote:

Dear Nabblers and those suffering from inDigestion,

Although a popular way to view the lists, Nabble has proven to be extremely problematic, in that the admins seem to be incapable of either correctly updating the list information or giving me the power to do so. Because of this users are still given incorrect list options and posting/subscription control, which means that I have to deal with numerous (sometimes 20 or more) nabble related bounces every day.

In the absence of a decent alternative solution I have decided to work around the problem by creating new forums for sc-users and sc-dev on Nabble 2. These have the correct info, etc., and will also allow for **real email digest delivery**. :-) See here:

http://n2.nabble.com/New-SuperCollider-Mailing-Lists-Forums-(Use-These!!!)-f2681727.html

Please stop using the existing Nabble 1 forums immediately, and start using the new ones. As noted on the info page, you will need to subscribe to sc-users-acl or sc-dev-acl in order to post from these forums.

Providing there are no issues with this, in a few days I will unsubscribe the old forums, and ask (hope springs eternal) the Nabble admins to make them read-only.

Your cheerful list admin,

Scott

Re: Help browser > [[Collections]] > Post ?

2009-04-26T05:20:50Z

Yes, you're right. But where?

2009/4/25, Andrzej Kopeć <akopec@...>:

> Shouldn't be 'Post' help file elsewhere?
>
> [sc3.3rc3]
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Re: symposium thought

2009-04-26T03:39:19Z

I wish I could have gone. Next year in Berlin!

2009/4/14 Sam Pluta <spluta@...>

hey all,

i just wanted to write a quick note about the symposium this past weekend. i said this to a couple of people, but what impressed me most about this gathering was how wonderfully different everyone's work was. nothing presented was at all similar to anything else - with people doing everything from live coding to installations to interface driven performance to live manipulation - and this is a sign that we are on to something as a group.

thanks for that,
i had a great time,

sam

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Re: Code LiveCode Live - Greyhound edition

2009-04-26T02:40:52Z

hey, very nice!
Is there a less compressed version?
I would like use it as an example to show what is live coding.

Cheers

Lucas

El 22/04/2009, a las 00:59, nescivi escribió:

Hiho,

I forgot to RecordMyDesktop the actual live code gig I did during the SC
Symposium, but I do have one of a rehearsal I did on my way to New York from
Montreal, on the Greyhound bus.

You can find it at (top link, right-click and save)
http://www.nescivi.nl/wordpress/?page_id=87

Greyhound edition (love those power sockets in the new buses!) with
inspirational looks at the landscape sliding by.

sincerely,
Marije

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SoundFile cue blocks sc

2009-04-26T02:15:00Z

hey on my computer (current svn and linux (ubuntustudio)) Soundfile cue
method leads to a SCLang process which is blocking my computer (nearly)
completely.
does anyone has the same problem?

f = SoundFile.new;
f.openRead("sounds/a11wlk01.wav");
f.cue

thanks
olaf

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Re: Symbolic Notations - Geometry operator @ - bug?

2009-04-26T02:01:03Z

Hey! Thanks James & Alberto (nice hearing from you again :-) btw)

ok, I'm sorry that stupid question. I've used this almos always with
(0@0) @ (w@h) and looked ok, but ofcourse, beacuse of the first
coordinates... so I thought it was like building a Rect. Well, sorry
again, my error, and thanks Alberto for the "corner @ (corner +
width)". :-)

bye

-juan

On 26.04.2009, at 10:28, Alberto de Campo wrote:

> hey juan,
>
> you can simply do
>
> var corner = (100 @ 200);
> var width = (300@400);
> corner @ (corner + width); // Rect(100, 200, 300, 400)
>
> best, adc
>
>
>> No, not a bug. The printout from Rect displays, in order, left,
>> top, width, height. When you make a Rect from two Points, the
>> specification is (x1, y1) @ (x2, y2) where x1 and x2 represent left
>> and right (or vice versa), and y1 and y2 are the top and bottom
>> coordinates. The Rect should show
>>
>> (min(x1, x2), min(y1, y2), abs(x1 - x2), abs(y1 - y2))
>>
>> ... which is exactly what you see.
>>
>> In other words, it looks like you expect the second Point to be the
>> width and height, but they are the real coordinates.
>> hjh
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Juan Gabriel Alzate Romero wrote:
>>
>>> Hello List,
>>>
>>> I read the Symbolic Notations help file and I liked the way to
>>> describe a Rect() by making 2 Points with ( x @ y ) "shortcut"
>>> I'm having a little trouble with it know, you see, I have this 2
>>> lines and they should give the same result:
>>>
>>> Window( "a Window @@@", (500 @ 500) @ (640 @ 480) ).front;
>>> Window( "a Window Rect()", Rect(500, 500, 640, 480) ).front;
>>>
>>> When I check just this:
>>>
>>> (500 @ 500) @ (640 @ 480)
>>>
>>> It returns
>>>
>>> Rect(500, 480, 140, 20)
>>>
>>> Which is tottally different than expected. But executing each
>>> Point separated gives the right result... i.e. this two lines:
>>>
>>> (500 @ 500)
>>> (640 @ 480)
>>>
>>> gives me:
>>>
>>> Point( 500, 500 )
>>> Point( 640, 480 )
>>>
>>> Which is ok. But yet again this:
>>>
>>> Point( 500, 500 ) @ Point( 640, 480 )
>>>
>>> will return
>>>
>>> Rect(500, 480, 140, 20)
>>>
>>> false again.... Is this a kind of bug? If it's only me who's
>>> having this trouble? I can send screenshots if needed.
>>> I'm using RC3, but tested it on RC1 and even 3.2 with the same
>>> results.
>>> Ah yeah... and I'm on an intel machine with leo.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>
>>
>> : H. James Harkins
>> : <mailto:jamshark70@...>jamshark70@...
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>>
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>> Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted,
>> Sing me the universal." -- Whitman
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Re: Symbolic Notations - Geometry operator @ - bug?

2009-04-26T01:28:55Z

hey juan,

you can simply do

var corner = (100 @ 200);
var width = (300@400);
corner @ (corner + width); // Rect(100, 200, 300, 400)

best, adc

>No, not a bug. The printout from Rect displays, in order, left, top,
>width, height. When you make a Rect from two Points, the
>specification is (x1, y1) @ (x2, y2) where x1 and x2 represent left
>and right (or vice versa), and y1 and y2 are the top and bottom
>coordinates. The Rect should show
>
>(min(x1, x2), min(y1, y2), abs(x1 - x2), abs(y1 - y2))
>
>... which is exactly what you see.
>
>In other words, it looks like you expect the second Point to be the
>width and height, but they are the real coordinates.
>hjh
>
>On Apr 25, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Juan Gabriel Alzate Romero wrote:
>
>>Hello List,
>>
>>I read the Symbolic Notations help file and I liked the way to
>>describe a Rect() by making 2 Points with ( x @ y ) "shortcut"
>>I'm having a little trouble with it know, you see, I have this 2
>>lines and they should give the same result:
>>
>>Window( "a Window @@@", (500 @ 500) @ (640 @ 480) ).front;
>>Window( "a Window Rect()", Rect(500, 500, 640, 480) ).front;
>>
>>When I check just this:
>>
>>(500 @ 500) @ (640 @ 480)
>>
>>It returns
>>
>>Rect(500, 480, 140, 20)
>>
>>Which is tottally different than expected. But executing each
>>Point separated gives the right result... i.e. this two lines:
>>
>>(500 @ 500)
>>(640 @ 480)
>>
>>gives me:
>>
>>Point( 500, 500 )
>>Point( 640, 480 )
>>
>>Which is ok. But yet again this:
>>
>>Point( 500, 500 ) @ Point( 640, 480 )
>>
>>will return
>>
>>Rect(500, 480, 140, 20)
>>
>>false again.... Is this a kind of bug? If it's only me who's
>>having this trouble? I can send screenshots if needed.
>>I'm using RC3, but tested it on RC1 and even 3.2 with the same results.
>>Ah yeah... and I'm on an intel machine with leo.
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>
>
>
>: H. James Harkins
>: <mailto:jamshark70@...>jamshark70@...
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>
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Re: Coding vs patching: would you eat soup with a fork?

2009-04-26T01:07:29Z

hey thor =)
please dont take me anti 'name a fav platform', I just used the space
to quote some well known flacks.

I do know they do offer audio rate patches - yet, the approach doesnt
really interface 'fully'. I could as well call r3aktwer ( =) doesnt do
it better.

no - I am not anti MSP.
ppl do what they can with the tools they get.

cheers,

x

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:02 AM, thor <th.list@...> wrote:

>
>
>>
>
>> I'm not sure what you're referring to here, as I don't think the SC
>> community is anti-MSP in particular.
>
>
> Oh yes.. All SC users hate Max.
>
> For example, I was shot with a perfume water-pistol-rifle by a japanese punk
> in a pink dress, to whom I had confessed that I used Max (but only for
> teaching,
> of course, since I am such a hunk) in a Haag nightclub a year ago.
>
> The whole place was stinking with perfume.
>
> Anyway, joke aside, I like to use graphical programming for some things,
> Pure Data
> much preferred as it's open source and free. Why Max? To me the question is
> not of
> SC vs. Max, but Pd vs. Max.
>
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Re: Coding vs patching: would you eat soup with a fork?

2009-04-26T00:24:18Z

This sort of thing would not be too hard to do with the existing GUI.

S.

On 25 Apr 2009, at 23:55, nescivi wrote:

> On Saturday 25 April 2009 13:17:47 Andrew Pascoe wrote:
>> While I much prefer coding to graphical programming, there are some
>> instances in which a graphical interface is useful for seeing how a
>> program should operate (see, for example, UML). I think a feature
>> that I would like to see in SC is something that goes like this:
>>
>> Pressing the 'enter' button in SC could be equated with a bang object
>> from Max or Pd. In this paradigm, blocks on the screen represent
>> chunks of code, and when a block receives a bang message, that code
>> gets evaluated. In this sense, the GUI functions as more of
>> representation of a scheduler than anything else. It's not always a
>> simple task to determine in SC code exactly what will get evaluated
>> when. In Max, this sort of thing is inherently apparent (provided
>> it's not horrible "spaghetti code"). One could also do something
>> like when a block of code finishes evaluating, it passes a bang
>> message on through an outlet, thus ensuring that certain code will
>> always get evaluated after other code.
>
> Cesare Marilungo made a bridge with Squeak, you can still download
> it here,
> http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/download/SuperCollider-
> Morphs20070524.st
>
> but unfortunately he is redesigning his website and has taken
> anything else
> down (like screencasts).
>
> I tried it some years back, and it allows you to have little blocks
> of code
> and connect them with wires.
>
> sincerely,
> Marije
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Sending Sysex with Patterns

2009-04-25T21:52:15Z

Hello Everyone,

I have a quick question about utilizing other midi commands besides \noteon within patterns. In the MIDIOut help file is says that

The following keys are supported by midi event:

\noteOn

\noteOff

\polyTouch

\control

\program

\touch

\bend

\allNotesOff

\smpt

\songPtr

\sysex

So if I wanted to send a new sysex message randomly between every 2-5 seconds, how would I implement that? I would imagine just sending the sysex Int8Arrays in a Pseq or something like that. But how would I control the timing of the sysex commands? I would appreciate any help.

Thank You,

Carl

Re: Symbolic Notations - Geometry operator @ - bug?

2009-04-25T20:09:29Z

No, not a bug. The printout from Rect displays, in order, left, top, width, height. When you make a Rect from two Points, the specification is (x1, y1) @ (x2, y2) where x1 and x2 represent left and right (or vice versa), and y1 and y2 are the top and bottom coordinates. The Rect should show

(min(x1, x2), min(y1, y2), abs(x1 - x2), abs(y1 - y2))

... which is exactly what you see.

In other words, it looks like you expect the second Point to be the width and height, but they are the real coordinates.

hjh

On Apr 25, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Juan Gabriel Alzate Romero wrote:

Hello List,

I read the Symbolic Notations help file and I liked the way to describe a Rect() by making 2 Points with ( x @ y ) "shortcut"
I'm having a little trouble with it know, you see, I have this 2 lines and they should give the same result:

Window( "a Window @@@", (500 @ 500) @ (640 @ 480) ).front;
Window( "a Window Rect()", Rect(500, 500, 640, 480) ).front;

When I check just this:

(500 @ 500) @ (640 @ 480)

It returns

Rect(500, 480, 140, 20)

Which is tottally different than expected. But executing each Point separated gives the right result... i.e. this two lines:

(500 @ 500)
(640 @ 480)

gives me:

Point( 500, 500 )
Point( 640, 480 )

Which is ok. But yet again this:

Point( 500, 500 ) @ Point( 640, 480 )

will return

Rect(500, 480, 140, 20)

false again.... Is this a kind of bug? If it's only me who's having this trouble? I can send screenshots if needed.
I'm using RC3, but tested it on RC1 and even 3.2 with the same results.
Ah yeah... and I'm on an intel machine with leo.

Thanks in advance

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Symbolic Notations - Geometry operator @ - bug?

2009-04-25T19:17:51Z

Hello List,

I read the Symbolic Notations help file and I liked the way to describe a Rect() by making 2 Points with ( x @ y ) "shortcut"

I'm having a little trouble with it know, you see, I have this 2 lines and they should give the same result:

Window( "a Window @@@", (500 @ 500) @ (640 @ 480) ).front;

Window( "a Window Rect()", Rect(500, 500, 640, 480) ).front;

When I check just this:

(500 @ 500) @ (640 @ 480)

It returns

Rect(500, 480, 140, 20)

Which is tottally different than expected. But executing each Point separated gives the right result... i.e. this two lines:

(500 @ 500)

(640 @ 480)

gives me:

Point( 500, 500 )

Point( 640, 480 )

Which is ok. But yet again this:

Point( 500, 500 ) @ Point( 640, 480 )

will return

Rect(500, 480, 140, 20)

false again.... Is this a kind of bug? If it's only me who's having this trouble? I can send screenshots if needed.

I'm using RC3, but tested it on RC1 and even 3.2 with the same results.

Ah yeah... and I'm on an intel machine with leo.

Thanks in advance

Re: chuckLib

2009-04-25T18:05:44Z

Yes ! Back in business :)

I did update the whole dewdrop_lib and recompiled last time, dunno what went wrong...

Cheers.ar(Hjalte)

2009/4/25 James Harkins <jamshark70@...>

Did you update only chucklib or the entire ddw package? The fix was not actually in chucklib. It's in ddwCommon/TimeSpecs.

It is definitely in svn, so your update must have been incomplete.

http://quarks.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/quarks/dewdrop_lib/ddwCommon/TimeSpecs/TimeSpecs.sc?r1=896&r2=923

hjh

On Apr 25, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Hjalte Møller wrote:

I just updated, it still fails with the same message...

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Re: inspecting UGens

2009-04-25T16:07:58Z

On Saturday 25 April 2009 19:03:12 Andrea Valle wrote:
> Uh, thanks a lot, Sciss with something I didn't know, Marije with
> something I haven't think of....

I normally use the nifty shortcut (C-c C-m) that exists in emacs, which shows
me the argument names and their default values in the minibuffer.
So I looked up how it's done there ;)

sincerely,
Marije

> Best
>
> -a-
>
> On 26 Apr 2009, at 00:45, nescivi wrote:
> > Hiho,
> >
> > On Saturday 25 April 2009 11:16:56 Andrea Valle wrote:
> >> While thinking about the GUI stuff, I was wondering:
> >>
> >> Is there a way to get from a UGen an array of args?
> >> I can retrieve values with
> >>
> >> SinOsc.ar.inputs
> >>
> >>
> >> But args names? Only dump with SinOsc.ar.dumpArgs ?
> >
> > SinOsc.class.findRespondingMethodFor(\ar).argNames
> >
> > sincerely,
> > Marije
> >
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Re: inspecting UGens

2009-04-25T16:03:12Z

Uh, thanks a lot, Sciss with something I didn't know, Marije with something I haven't think of....

Best

-a-

On 26 Apr 2009, at 00:45, nescivi wrote:

Hiho,

On Saturday 25 April 2009 11:16:56 Andrea Valle wrote:

While thinking about the GUI stuff, I was wondering:

Is there a way to get from a UGen an array of args?
I can retrieve values with

SinOsc.ar.inputs

But args names? Only dump with SinOsc.ar.dumpArgs ?

SinOsc.class.findRespondingMethodFor(\ar).argNames

sincerely,
Marije

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Re: Coding vs patching: would you eat soup with a fork?

2009-04-25T15:55:54Z

On Saturday 25 April 2009 13:17:47 Andrew Pascoe wrote:

> While I much prefer coding to graphical programming, there are some
> instances in which a graphical interface is useful for seeing how a
> program should operate (see, for example, UML). I think a feature
> that I would like to see in SC is something that goes like this:
>
> Pressing the 'enter' button in SC could be equated with a bang object
> from Max or Pd. In this paradigm, blocks on the screen represent
> chunks of code, and when a block receives a bang message, that code
> gets evaluated. In this sense, the GUI functions as more of
> representation of a scheduler than anything else. It's not always a
> simple task to determine in SC code exactly what will get evaluated
> when. In Max, this sort of thing is inherently apparent (provided
> it's not horrible "spaghetti code"). One could also do something
> like when a block of code finishes evaluating, it passes a bang
> message on through an outlet, thus ensuring that certain code will
> always get evaluated after other code.

Cesare Marilungo made a bridge with Squeak, you can still download it here,
http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/download/SuperCollider-Morphs20070524.st

but unfortunately he is redesigning his website and has taken anything else
down (like screencasts).

I tried it some years back, and it allows you to have little blocks of code
and connect them with wires.

sincerely,
Marije

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Re: Coding vs patching: would you eat soup with a fork?

2009-04-25T15:50:40Z

On Friday 24 April 2009 22:03:45 Charles Céleste Hutchins wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:20 PM, nescivi <nescivi@...> wrote:
> > On Friday 24 April 2009 12:14:14 Charles Céleste Hutchins wrote:
> > > Max/PD's strength is rapid prototyping. It's also good for block
> > diagrams,
> > > which, for me, is an easier way to conceive of synthesis than is text.
> > It
> > > would be really nice if there was a way to compile these block diagrams
> > > down to UGens. Some kind of Faust add-on would be cool.
> >
> > There is. You can create UGens from Faust code.
>
> That's true, but if would be nice if you could generate Faust (or
> ultimately SC) code from block diagrams.
>

The IDE of Faust seems to have come a long way. At least I remember seeing a
blockdiagram with the code, during the talk about Faust on the LAC this year.

http://lad.linuxaudio.org/events/2009_cdm/slides/faust_presentation_lac2009.pdf
page 48

sincerely,
Marije

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Re: inspecting UGens

2009-04-25T15:45:43Z

Hiho,

On Saturday 25 April 2009 11:16:56 Andrea Valle wrote:
> While thinking about the GUI stuff, I was wondering:
>
> Is there a way to get from a UGen an array of args?
> I can retrieve values with
>
> SinOsc.ar.inputs
>
>
> But args names? Only dump with SinOsc.ar.dumpArgs ?

SinOsc.class.findRespondingMethodFor(\ar).argNames

sincerely,
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Re: [dewdrop_lib] MixingBoard with custom GUI crashes SC.

2009-04-25T15:15:06Z

On Apr 25, 2009, at 8:23 AM, Andrzej Kopeć wrote:

I suppose it depends on MixerGUIDef's channelSize somehow. If channelSize is declared as 50@290 window closes without crash.

Thanks for pointing that out -- it was a bug on my part. When closing the window, it was trying to resize the window to the default MixerGUIDef size, but since the window was already gone, kaboom.

Try updating, should be fixed.

hjh

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Re: chuckLib

2009-04-25T14:39:03Z

Did you update only chucklib or the entire ddw package? The fix was not actually in chucklib. It's in ddwCommon/TimeSpecs.

It is definitely in svn, so your update must have been incomplete.

http://quarks.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/quarks/dewdrop_lib/ddwCommon/TimeSpecs/TimeSpecs.sc?r1=896&r2=923

hjh

On Apr 25, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Hjalte Møller wrote:

I just updated, it still fails with the same message...

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Re: Coding vs patching: would you eat soup with a fork?

2009-04-25T11:46:56Z

I believe it depends on how much of the "bang logic" you choose to
implement. Max becomes a nightmare when you have to do things like
have hot and cold inlets, forcing you to store things in float
objects, and you may never be exactly sure about what data is flowing
where at a particular time. On the other hand, just using bangs to
schedule things I find to be very intuitive. A metro object is very
clear in its definition, and you can use counters and selects to
trigger things at very specific times with no ambiguity. And if you
bother to make a tidy patch, it's all right there for you to see
without sifting through code that may have multiple routines running
on different tempo clocks, or whatever.

Also, having a GUI for chunks of code encourages more modular
programming. There's a reason that complex software applications are
(or should be) modeled before coding even begins. As I said before,
there's a reason UML exists: it's nice to be able to organize your
thoughts, see how a program flows, and then fill in the details.
Even if you didn't have any sort of bang logic, I believe it would be
a really cool feature for SC to graphically represent chunks of code
that say, you can click on to execute. I just like the bang logic
for automatically scheduling these executions.

--Andrew

On 25.04.2009, at 13:33, Miguel Negrao wrote:

> Andrew Pascoe escreveu:
>> While I much prefer coding to graphical programming, there are
>> some instances in which a graphical interface is useful for seeing
>> how a program should operate (see, for example, UML). I think a
>> feature that I would like to see in SC is something that goes like
>> this:
>> Pressing the 'enter' button in SC could be equated with a bang
>> object from Max or Pd. In this paradigm, blocks on the screen
>> represent chunks of code, and when a block receives a bang
>> message, that code gets evaluated. In this sense, the GUI
>> functions as more of representation of a scheduler than anything
>> else. It's not always a simple task to determine in SC code
>> exactly what will get evaluated when. In Max, this sort of thing
>> is inherently apparent (provided it's not horrible "spaghetti
>> code"). One could also do something like when a block of code
>> finishes evaluating, it passes a bang message on through an
>> outlet, thus ensuring that certain code will always get evaluated
>> after other code.
>> --Andrew
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> bang logic is a nightmare ! just the thought of having to deal with
> that again leaves me felling a bit sick. In supercollider i've
> never had problems with knowing what gets executed first, it's
> usually quite clear I think.
>
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Re: chuckLib

2009-04-25T10:43:00Z

I just updated, it still fails with the same message...

-hjalte

2009/4/23 James Harkins <jamshark70@...>

Try to update now...

It's odd. This doesn't happen in any of my installations, but I can't
figure out why :) because timingOffset_ was in fact not implemented
-- so in theory I should have seen this bug before committing. *shock*
Now the method is there, so it should be fine going forward.

Thanks.
hjh

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