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(job) David Hawks English School and Buckland Educational Group

2009-12-02T22:51:00Z

Aloha TEFLers,

Has anyone had the privilege of working with David Hawks English School or with Buckland Educational Group?

Jada Rufo

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2009-12-01T02:19:46Z

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(job) The Mentor List is seeking new members

2009-12-01T00:59:15Z

The Mentor list provides a means for people who've taught in China to
give advice on institutions at which they've worked. Please check the
site if you want to join so you know what info we require and become
familiar with how the site works:
http://www.teflchina.org/jobs/mentors/index.html

The Mentor List (not an email list) is a listing of Schools in China
and folks who have taught there and are willing to reply to email from
new teachers considering teaching there -- a way to contact former
teachers of a school (even if the school would rather you didn't)!

For those of you who haven't yet listed yourselves as mentors, the
list consists of email addresses of foreign teachers who've worked at
Chinese institutions who are willing to serve as referees and mentors
for others thinking of seeking employment at those institutions.
Anything they know about their workplace, the area, the culture, the
works is there for you to tap. If you have used the list yourself and
not added yourself as a mentor... shame on you! Submit your details.
Please write to me off-list at mentorlist(a)gmail.com

So if you would be keen to reply to emails from people contemplating
teaching where you have, then please become a Mentor, see
http://www.teflchina.org/jobs/mentors/index.html and email your
details to me at mentorlist(a)gmail.com

Many thanks as ever to the mentors for the sterling hours they have
put in helping others out. Your contribution has enabled the list to
become the successful resource we have today.

Shawn Manders
mentorlist(a)gmail.com

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2009-11-29T02:15:41Z

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(job) Vacancies at YUDA Foreign language school in Hainan

2009-11-27T00:58:49Z

Yuda is the leading private foreign language school in Hainan and is looking to recruit one or possibly two new teachers to commence work after the Chinese New Year festival.

The school is located in Haikou, the capital of Hainan.
The person we are seeking must have at least one years experience teaching children in China.

The contract is 16 hours a week with the bulk of the work on Friday evening, all day Saturday and Sunday mornings.
The salary is 5,500 a month with a semi-annual bonus equivalent to a one way airfare ticket.
Class sizes are between 15 and 20 students.
The students range in age from to 7 to 17 with most of them progressing through the classes from an early age.
The contract offers the usual conditions such as a fully furnished apartment in Haikou, insurance and visa.

All the teaching is in one of the three schools in Haikou.
An absolute condition of the contract is that the teacher does not undertake to supplement his/her income by taking a second job outside the school. So the job would suit someone who is a good teacher, who wants to live on a tropical island, work mainly at weekends and enjoy the laid back environment that is Hainan.

The website of the school is www.yudafls.com where further information may be obtained.

The school is an excellent place to work and the apartments are spacious and well furnished. I have lived and worked in China since 2001 and I certainly think this is the best school I have worked for. I am happy to answer any questions you may have regarding this school either through this message board or by direct email.

Chris Ennis

(job) Criminal Record Report

2009-11-26T17:59:58Z

From a prof at CPPSU,

"Dear Dave,

If a Chinese wants to get a Criminal Record Report, he or she goes to the
local police station and gets a copy there. For a foreigner, he should
contact his employer who might get one for him or contact the police
departmnet where he is registrated for residence.

Best wishes,"

so as Sherrie said, check if you think you might want one, and get it
before you leave your job.

Incidentally Macau Ed Dept wants one before they register you as a
teacher. They want one from the Macau Politz, when you've been there for
2-3 months...so useful.

Dave Nevin

(job) Re: Criminal Record Report

2009-11-26T02:58:14Z

We decided if/when we live in China again, we will try to always get a
criminal record while there before we leave so we'll have that on hand
for the future if it's ever needed.
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Thank you for your post Sherrie.

Yes, Australia is just as difficult to get a police clearance from,
although you can get it by post, and yes, it is only valid for three
months from date of signature.

Anyone wishing to teach after China would do well to get the clearance
before they leave China and ensure they can use it within the 90 days
specification.

Ria
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Ria Smit, Zhengzhou, China
Phone:(0371) 6761 2725
Mobile: 13523091304
SKYPE: riacalling
www.yellowwattleenglish.com
www.betterphoto.com?englishteacherinchina
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Why is it that our memory is good enough to retain the least
triviality that happens to us,
and yet not good enough to recollect how often we have told it to the
same person?
-- Francois de La Rochefoucauld (1613-1680)

(job) Criminal Record Report

2009-11-25T09:04:53Z

Maybe this depends on the province or city?

We had to get criminal record reports last year from China for the time we lived in Guizhou & Heilongjiang. We had a Chinese friend obtain it for us (we Fed-Ex'd her power of atty to do so signed with a big notary stamp) in Guizhou and that worked.

Heilongjiang was nearly impossible because according to the local PBS, we "were not in country (China) AT PRESENT." They refused to give it to a Chinese attorney on our behalf, to a well-heeled American friend with loads of guanxi in the province, and to the university. PBS wanted us to fly there and get it ourselves!

The FAO at the university where we taught in Harbin did write a letter for us saying that the university knew of no criminal record for us, and that as our employer, they would be aware if there had been. We needed this for US Immigration for an adoption. USCIS only took the FAO's letter (along with documentation of all the ways we TRIED to get the actual criminal record) BECAUSE we had gotten a criminal record report WHILE we were in living in China also, though the USCIS wouldn't accept that one in itself because the signature on that one was dated several year ago -- though the criminal record would be for the exact same time period. I would hope that most organizations aren't that strict.

We decided if/when we live in China again, we will try to always get a criminal record while there before we leave so we'll have that on hand for the future if it's ever needed.

Sherrie Buscemi

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Re: (job) Criminal Record Report

2009-11-23T16:33:50Z

On Fri, 11/20/09, dewi6112 <dewi6112@...> wrote:

I have just returned home to the UK after six and a half years teaching in Guangzhou. I am looking for work as a Supply Teacher here and have just been informed by the Teacher Employment Bureau that I will need a Criminal Record Report from the police in China.

Does anyone know where I would write or email to, to get this?

Common sense should prevail. If you were not deported from China, your record is clean. English bureaucrats being what they are, I realize there are no higher brain functions going on there. You should contact the PSB for the last school you taught at in GZ. If you left on good terms, the FAO might be able to help also.

Tom K.

Re: (job) Criminal Record Report

2009-11-23T10:05:22Z

If letters from or school do not hold any ground I would try and ask your
school to get in touch with the local PSB. From what I know of the UK system
you should be able to ask your school to get in touch with the CRB in the
UK. The Teachers Employment Bureau normally follow the directives from the
CRB. So if you can prove with your correspondence with your school in China
and the PSB that it is not possible for you to get a record for the last
6months they might not require it.

It is worth a shot. I would also try speaking to the CRB in UK directly,
they are very friendly and helpful.

punam

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Don williamson <willdon13@...> wrote:

>
>
> ________________________________
> From: dewi6112 dewi6112@... <dewi6112%40yahoo.co.uk>
>
> .
>
> I have just returned home to the UK after six and a half years teaching in
> Guangzhou. I am looking for work as a Supply Teacher here and have just been
> informed by the Teacher Employment Bureau that I will need a Criminal Record
> Report from the police in China.
>
> Does anyone know where I would write or email to, to get this?
>
> Dewi
> >>>>>>
>
> Hmmm....This is a first. I would try your last FAO and, I guess, the
> records would have to come from the local PSB
> where you were working. Without sounding negative I think this would
> probably fall thru the China beaurocratic cracks.
> Would not recommendation letters from your schools suffice? Good luck and
> let us know what happens?
>
> Don
>
>
>

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Re: (job) Criminal Record Report

2009-11-22T19:35:59Z

________________________________
From: dewi6112 dewi6112@...
.

I have just returned home to the UK after six and a half years teaching in Guangzhou. I am looking for work as a Supply Teacher here and have just been informed by the Teacher Employment Bureau that I will need a Criminal Record Report from the police in China.

Does anyone know where I would write or email to, to get this?

Dewi
>>>>>>

Hmmm....This is a first. I would try your last FAO and, I guess, the records would have to come from the local PSB
where you were working. Without sounding negative I think this would probably fall thru the China beaurocratic cracks.
Would not recommendation letters from your schools suffice? Good luck and let us know what happens?

Don

Re: (job) chinese cultural center

2009-11-22T12:14:36Z

I see, The chinese cultural center based in South Carolina, USA. They help with job placements in the eastern area of China.
Mary

(job) chinese cultural center

2009-11-21T22:19:51Z

>I want to know if anyone has experience
>working with the chinese cultural center?

China is a big place :-)

What is 'the chinese cultural center' ???
which city?
which province?
what name?

China probably has a hundred cultural centers, apart from the renewed
Confucian Centres.. it's a bit like asking, has anyone worked with Lions
CLubs?

Dave Nevin, in Qinghai

Re: (job) L Visa confusion

2009-11-21T02:30:28Z

Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@...> wrote:

> > The "L" visa is a 12 month multiple entry visa but only good for a 60 day stay.
> > So, I gather I would have to leave every 60 days.
> ...
> > Are there restrictions where I would have to go? Would Hong Kong
> > or Macao serve the purpose?
>
> Yes, or Jinmen, Taiwan-controlled but a short ferry ride from Xiamen.
> There's another Taiwan-controlled island near Fuzhou.

Those may work if you have one of the must-leave-every-60-days visas.

They are not useful if you need to get a new visa. There is no Chinese
visa office on the islands. You'd have to continue to Tapei for that, and
if you're going to do that, Hong Kong is likely easier.

Also, there are restrictions. A friend tried to get on the ferry from
Mawei (a suburb of Fuzhou) and was told there's a list of 25
countries allowed to use the route and his (South Africa) was not
on the list. They would not let him buy the ticket. I do not know
which countries are allowed.

(job) Criminal Record Report

2009-11-20T20:47:13Z

I don't know if anyone can help.

I have just returned home to the UK after six and a half years teaching in Guangzhou. I am looking for work as a Supply Teacher here and have just been informed by the Teacher Employment Bureau that I will need a Criminal Record Report from the police in China.

Does anyone know where I would write or email to, to get this?

Many thanks

Dewi

(job) chinese cultural center

2009-11-20T17:44:37Z

I am preparing to work in China in 2010. I want to know if anyone has experience working with the chinese cultural center?

Mary

Re: (job) L Visa confusion

2009-11-15T06:44:45Z

Thanks for all the help and suggestions. My visa agency told me only the 12 mo, 60 day visa was all that was available. $130 for the visa (US), $29 for the service.

This is certainly not the best situation. If I could find schools without the age restrictions it would suit me fine, as would a HK, "Z" visa. Certainly I prefer to be legal... meanwhile...

Thanks

Josh

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2009-11-15T02:29:05Z

(job) Evaluation System Registration for Foreign experts

2009-11-10T06:34:57Z

>b) are clearly discriminatory according to the China Labour Law
>implemented on Jan
>1st. 2008. Age, gender, nationality ... they're really kicking heads and
>taking names.

Speaking of the above, there's a clause that anyone contracted for 2 ?
consecutive years has automatic renewal thereafter...
Has any FET tried to pull this one?

(maybe the number 2 is wrong, but it's not very high)

Dave Nevin

Re: (job) Re: Evaluation System Registration for Foreign experts

2009-11-09T23:52:00Z

Certainly worth part of a lesson for that document, good discussion points.
Especially like how if you are female you are worth 10 points but a male is only worth 5 points, sexism in reverse.
Gary

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Terence <terence_laoshi@...> wrote:

From: Terence <terence_laoshi@...>
Subject: (job) Re: Evaluation System Registration for Foreign experts
To: TEFLChinaJob@...
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:19 AM

That really is a funny old self-qualifier SAFEA is operating.

http://www.china- tesol.com/ Jobs_with_ TEACH_CHINA/ Application_ for_TEACH_ CHINA__j/ CHINA_TEACH_ Self_Assessment/ china_teach_ self_assessment. html

On one hand, it's great to see that they're using modern practices to discourage poor quality applications. That's most unusual for a Chinese organisation (and not so common for western organisations, for that matter).

On the other hand, the points allocations ...

a) seem arbitrary or inconsistent in some areas. Business qualifications record the highest points in one area; Computer degrees record higher value in another (although only for a Masters; the undergrad degree has no additional leverage, apparently).

b) are clearly discriminatory according to the China Labour Law implemented on Jan 1st. 2008. Age, gender, nationality ... they're really kicking heads and taking names.

I can't wait to use this in my HRM class this week.

Terence Egan

Re: (job) Re: confusion

2009-11-09T19:09:05Z

OK.. at the end of the day it is still ILLEGAL to work as a teacher on "F" visa. The may have let you work for them, but you can bet they paid some one off.

Here in Shanghai the rules have changed for expert certifice. Had a teacher who had taught in China 3 years ago, went back home, then wanted to return.. if they showed their Chinese work experience here, they had to have a letter of release from former employer and Residency permit. They could not get realese letter. Got rejected.. rules in Shanghai change at the drop of a hat..
NOW if no TEFL, must have 2 years of full time CONTINIUOS teaching experience in a structured school.. no part-time, no tutoring, no F visa experience counts..

The gov is also cracking down on schools that attempt to hire F visa teachers.. fine the school up to 50, 000 RMB, fine the teacher 5000 and ask them to leave within 10 days.. no detention time.. 2nd offence for teacher... house of detention.. 10 days.. go home.. no coming back to china 5 years..
Leslie Warren
JX Learning
China

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, sewbirdchina <sewbirdchina@...> wrote:
From: sewbirdchina <sewbirdchina@...>
Subject: (job) Re: confusion
To: TEFLChinaJob@...
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 5:31 PM

I'm still puzzled as well Don and frankly don't remember if I had all three of the documents that you listed. We had documents sent to us and at that point were told to go ahead and apply for the visa. And yes, we requested Z.

Nancy, US

--- In TEFLChinaJob@ yahoogroups. com, Don williamson <willdon13@. ..> wrote:
>
> Nancy...I think we discussed this before and I'm still puzzled?
>
> 1) Did your Visa application to the Chinese Consulate here in the U.S. specify "Z" visa request?
>
> 2) Did you have the three documents attached ? Invite letter, PSB form and the presumed third one issued by the Prov. Ministery of Edc? I have never figured out the latter but it seemed our Univ. had no problem in getting these.

(job) Shijiazhuang University of Economics, Shijiazhuang, Hebei

2009-11-09T03:50:12Z

My husband and I have taught at SUE several times and they've asked me to assist finding some teachers. Please respond to the email provided re the position and to me with misc questions. Typically their salaries have been low but we found cost of living low as well.

Nancy, US

Shijiazhuang University of Economics needs 1-2 English teachers from English speaking countries for 2009/2010 academic year.
Qualifications: BA/BS degree or MA/MS degree or TESOL certificate, age 26-60 in good health, couples and those with teaching experience are preferred.
Task: "Oral English, Culture of English Speaking Countries".
Working load: 12-20 teaching hours a week.
Pay and other conditions: Monthly salary 3300-5000 CNY.
Housing: Free furnished flat, including living room, kitchen(cooking facilities), bathroom, refrigerator, air conditioner, TV, telephone (pay own telephone fees), computer with ADSL and the same medical care as local faculty members provided by the university.
Airfare: One way economic international air ticket upon completion of one semester and a round-trip ticket for an academic year contract.

If you are interested in the vacancies or need more information, please contact:
Ms.Yibin Liao
Foreign Affairs Office, Shijiazhuang University of Economics
136 Huaifan East Road, Shijiazhuang, Hebei 050031, China
Tel/Fax: +86-311-85882537
E-mail: yibin608@...

(job) Re: Evaluation System Registration for Foreign experts

2009-11-07T19:19:24Z

That really is a funny old self-qualifier SAFEA is operating.

http://www.china-tesol.com/Jobs_with_TEACH_CHINA/Application_for_TEACH_CHINA__j/CHINA_TEACH_Self_Assessment/china_teach_self_assessment.html

On one hand, it's great to see that they're using modern practices to discourage poor quality applications. That's most unusual for a Chinese organisation (and not so common for western organisations, for that matter).

On the other hand, the points allocations ...

a) seem arbitrary or inconsistent in some areas. Business qualifications record the highest points in one area; Computer degrees record higher value in another (although only for a Masters; the undergrad degree has no additional leverage, apparently).

b) are clearly discriminatory according to the China Labour Law implemented on Jan 1st. 2008. Age, gender, nationality ... they're really kicking heads and taking names.

I can't wait to use this in my HRM class this week.

Terence Egan

(job) Asian American teachers in Taiwan?

2009-11-07T02:13:35Z

Hello Jobbers!

I'm a highly qualified and experienced ESL professional, native speaker of American English. I am of Chinese descent. Thanks to some contacts, I have greatly enjoyed doing several short teaching and training programs at universities in mainland China and I was well received.

I am wondering if it is difficult for Asians to get an English teaching position in Taiwan. I'll be traveling there soon and might want to check it out.

E Chan

(job) Re: confusion

2009-11-04T17:31:25Z

I'm still puzzled as well Don and frankly don't remember if I had all three of the documents that you listed. We had documents sent to us and at that point were told to go ahead and apply for the visa. And yes, we requested Z.

Nancy, US

--- In TEFLChinaJob@..., Don williamson <willdon13@...> wrote:
>
> Nancy...I think we discussed this before and I'm still puzzled?
>
> 1) Did your Visa application to the Chinese Consulate here in the U.S. specify "Z" visa request?
>
> 2) Did you have the three documents attached ? Invite letter, PSB form and the presumed third one issued by the Prov. Ministery of Edc? I have never figured out the latter but it seemed our Univ. had no problem in getting these.
>

Re: (job) Re: Changes for F.Ts and the China Edc. system?

2009-11-04T16:16:02Z

One of our list members sent me the following article because of my relationship to the Hungzhou Univ of Sci & Tech (HUST) in Wuhan. Zhou Ji as the just dismissed Minister of Edc in Beijing was the president of HUST till 03 when he moved up to Minister Of Edc for all of the PRC. As the article sumarizes he has now fallen on hard times due to alleged corruption and questionable decisions within the educational system of China. One can't help wonder if all these new edicts we're hearing about re. new rules with F.Ts (job) is not some how fall outs from this situation?

Comments welcome?

Don

<<<<<<<<<<Sun Nov 1, 1:28 am ET
BEIJING China's legislature has removed the country's unpopular education minister amid a corruption scandal in a city he used to oversee and widespread public dissatisfaction with the education system.
The executive committee of the national legislature dismissed Zhou Ji on Saturday at the end of a routine meeting and promoted a deputy education minister to replace him. In announcing the change late Saturday, the official Xinhua News Agency gave no reason but said Zhou "will get a new appointment."
At 63, the American-educated Zhou was two years short of retirement and thus an unlikely candidate for a job change.
The surprise move was the latest shift to roil a public education system that Chinese traditionally idealize as a fair pathway to advancement but that has been filled with problems ¡ª from chronic underfunding at primary and secondary levels to poor quality higher education.
Though many of the ills predate Zhou's rise to education minister six years ago, he has come to be associated with them. When the legislature, the National People's Congress, met last year to vote in a new Cabinet for a five-year term, Zhou received the highest number of negative votes of any minister.
Zhou's removal comes just weeks after two senior administrators were arrested for bribery at Wuhan University. While Zhou has not been publicly linked with the scandal, he spent much of his career in Wuhan city working in the education system and served as mayor for two years before being elevated to education minister.
The corruption case at Wuhan University encapsulates many of the problems Chinese universities are facing. Beijing began a rapid expansion of higher education in the 1990s, pouring money into the system to create competitive world-class schools and provide more spaces for children of a baby boom then coming of university age.
Under that plan, Wuhan University merged with three other schools in 2000 and began a 980 million yuan ($120 million) program to build new school buildings, dormitories and housing for professors. The two arrested administrators were accused of taking bribes related to the building boom.
China Newsweek, a state-run magazine, quoted Liu Qun, an anti-corruption investigator for the Wuhan city government, as saying the Wuhan University corruption was only "the tip of the iceberg." Around the same time, the president of another university in Wuhan was detained for questioning, while the head of a teacher's college in the southern city of Zhanjiang was arrested for unspecified economic crimes.
Senior ministers such as Zhou are occasionally removed by the communist leadership not for specific wrongdoing but to placate public opinion. In those cases, the senior officials are usually reappointed to high positions after an interlude out of the public spotlight.
Yuan Guiren was named as Zhou's replacement, Xinhua said.

end

Re: (job) Re: confusion

2009-11-03T11:15:22Z

Nancy...I think we discussed this before and I'm still puzzled?

1) Did your Visa application to the Chinese Consulate here in the U.S. specify "Z" visa request?

2) Did you have the three documents attached ? Invite letter, PSB form and the presumed third one issued by the Prov. Ministery of Edc? I have never figured out the latter but it seemed our Univ. had no problem in getting these.

As a side note to other listers: If you come to teach in China on one of the 'Camp Programs,' You would do so on an "F" visa and only the invite letter is needed. In this case you don't recieve official work salary nor need open a bank account but rather are paid a cash stipend. Also, we came on an "L" visa for these programs when pre-post touring was set up as part of the deal. This was all handled by an agent here in the U.S.

But...as we all know...things change with time and place.

Don

--- On Mon, 11/2/09, sewbirdchina <sewbirdchina@...> wrote:

> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Ria Smit <tryria@...> wrote:

> You cannot work and receive regular pay when you are here on an F
> visa. I have overcome it by "tutoring" in my home.

Just for the record, last year my husband and I worked at top ranking university on a Fall semester contract, with an F visa. It was issued to us by the Chinese Consulate here in the US from an application accompanied by an official Chinese invitation to teach.

Why? I don't know and we weren't pleased because an F visa is a single entry visa which meant our plans for National Holiday had to be dropped.

Nancy, US

(job) re:confusion

2009-11-03T02:13:33Z

>It's a pity no one at the Embassy suggested or offered a **6-month**
>multiple entry F visa ... mate of mine just got one within the past 2
>weeks, but in Hong Kong
>KTF
RAY

If you look in SCMP,the Hong Kong paper, agents advertise their ability to get you visas for up to 3 years, multi-entry.
I dont know how they/the Embassy decides who's eligible. I got 3 months
multi, for NZ passport, 3 hour service, plus a couple of Guiness at the
outside cafe while I waited.

Somewhere I still have the newspaper , rsvp if you want more details.

Dave Nevin

(job) Re: confusion

2009-11-03T00:52:25Z

It's a pity no one at the Embassy suggested or offered a **6-month** multiple entry F visa ... mate of mine just got one within the past 2 weeks, but in Hong Kong

KTF
RAY

--- In TEFLChinaJob@..., "sewbirdchina" <sewbirdchina@...> wrote:
>
>
> Why? I don't know and we weren't pleased because an F visa is a single entry visa which meant our plans for National Holiday had to be dropped.
>
> Nancy, US
>

(job) Re: confusion

2009-11-02T15:05:12Z

> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Ria Smit <tryria@...> wrote:

> You cannot work and receive regular pay when you are here on an F
> visa. I have overcome it by "tutoring" in my home.

Just for the record, last year my husband and I worked at top ranking university on a Fall semester contract, with an F visa. It was issued to us by the Chinese Consulate here in the US from an application accompanied by an official Chinese invitation to teach.

Why? I don't know and we weren't pleased because an F visa is a single entry visa which meant our plans for National Holiday had to be dropped.

Nancy, US

Re: (job) L Visa confusion

2009-11-01T23:27:32Z

Here is the info from a school in Shanghai

There have been some new requirements in regards to the issuing of a Expert Teaching certificate by the local Foreign Affairs office. They will only recognize TEFL with 120+ course hours, the short programs will no longer be recognized unless the candidate has 2 years of related teaching experience. On line TEFL are not recognized unless teacher has Two years teaching in addition to the certificate. PART time teaching, teaching while in school, volunteer teaching, one-on-one,�and private tutoring no long count as related experience. No fresh college grads unless they meet the above requirements.

Our school prefers kids teaching experience, we have hired many teachers over the last 12 months and those with adults only experience are having difficulty coping with the kids as well as the parents.

If the candidate has had ANY teaching experience in China, they must have a release letter from their former employer saying they have successful completed their contract. MUST�be original with red chop. Must furnish our school with documents about having a clean police record and must be able to pass physical. If for ANY reason they do not issue expert or residency permit, contract is terminated immediately.

Additionally we will check references with their former employer via phone. We will need the names of their direct supervisor. We are a drug free environment and the candidate will be tested for drug use during the physical, this is standard operating procedure for the Shanghai government.

Leslie Warren
JX Learning
China

--- On Sun, 11/1/09, Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@...> wrote:

From: Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@...>
Subject: Re: (job) L Visa confusion
To: TEFLChinaJob@...
Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 8:07 PM

On 10/12/09, David Fricks <davidmf00@hotmail. com> wrote:

> It seems my age kicks me out of most "Z" visa jobs.

Best course would be to look for one that is not part of that "most".
A recent thread discusses which provinces do or don't enforce
the over 60 restriction. Check the archives.

> The "L" visa is a 12 month multiple entry visa but only good for a 60 day stay.
> So, I gather I would have to leave every 60 days.

90-day one entry tourist visas are easily obtained in HK.

> Are there restrictions where I would have to go? Would Hong Kong
> or Macao serve the purpose?

Yes, or Jinmen, Taiwan-controlled but a short ferry ride from Xiamen.
There's another Taiwan-controlled island near Fuzhou.

Re: (job) Re: confusion

2009-11-01T23:16:53Z

Hi Ria,

Just curious. Aren't you technically doing business already by enrolling the students for a year and taking tuition and spending them as they become due and compensated for?

Will it not be easier to just put up an English learning center legally as a business and apply for a permanent residency?

Anybody else that can input some ideas on the feasibility of putting up an English learning center in China and what it entails?

Thanks,
Weedy

________________________________
From: Ria Smit <tryria@...>
To: TEFLChinaJob@...
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 7:22:43 PM
Subject: (job) Re: confusion

You could try working on an "F" visa.
------------ --
You cannot work and receive regular pay when you are here on an F
visa. I have overcome it by "tutoring" in my home. The law says up
to 10 students at a time "in your own home" does not need
registration. Neither can you employ another teacher.

I enrol for a year and put the money in a separate account from which
I withdraw money as I have taught the lessons. Currently I have 46
primary school children in 5 classes and I teach them all twice a
week, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday evenings and all day Saturday. My
income is about equal to what I would get in a school but of course I
have to pay rent. But it is nice to be free to do things my way.

May be difficult if you are new in China. I have a long and good
reputation in my area and regularly have to send away extra students.

Side benefits: 46 pairs of parents willing to help me with whatever
need I have. Currently they have organized all the renovations of the
flat that I have to move into and saved me all the hassles of dealing
with the workers and negotiating the costs.

Ria

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Re: (job) Re: confusion

2009-11-01T22:31:25Z

I always think "cannot" is a very strong word.

Calum Sutherland

"I dare do all that may become a man,
who dares do more is none"

--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Ria Smit <tryria@...> wrote:

From: Ria Smit <tryria@...>
Subject: (job) Re: confusion
To: TEFLChinaJob@...
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 4:22 AM

You could try working on an "F" visa.
--------------
You cannot work and receive regular pay when you are here on an F
visa. I have overcome it by "tutoring" in my home. The law says up
to 10 students at a time "in your own home" does not need
registration. Neither can you employ another teacher.

I enrol for a year and put the money in a separate account from which
I withdraw money as I have taught the lessons. Currently I have 46
primary school children in 5 classes and I teach them all twice a
week, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday evenings and all day Saturday. My
income is about equal to what I would get in a school but of course I
have to pay rent. But it is nice to be free to do things my way.

May be difficult if you are new in China. I have a long and good
reputation in my area and regularly have to send away extra students.

Side benefits: 46 pairs of parents willing to help me with whatever
need I have. Currently they have organized all the renovations of the
flat that I have to move into and saved me all the hassles of dealing
with the workers and negotiating the costs.

Ria
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Ria Smit, Zhengzhou, China
Phone:(0371) 6761 2725
Mobile: 13523091304
SKYPE: riacalling
www.yellowwattleenglish.com
www.betterphoto.com?englishteacherinchina
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Re: (job) L Visa confusion

2009-11-01T20:07:03Z

On 10/12/09, David Fricks <davidmf00@...> wrote:

> It seems my age kicks me out of most "Z" visa jobs.

Best course would be to look for one that is not part of that "most".
A recent thread discusses which provinces do or don't enforce
the over 60 restriction. Check the archives.

> The "L" visa is a 12 month multiple entry visa but only good for a 60 day stay.
> So, I gather I would have to leave every 60 days.

90-day one entry tourist visas are easily obtained in HK.

> Are there restrictions where I would have to go? Would Hong Kong
> or Macao serve the purpose?

Yes, or Jinmen, Taiwan-controlled but a short ferry ride from Xiamen.
There's another Taiwan-controlled island near Fuzhou.

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