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	<title>Nabble - TEFLChina (teach)</title>
	<updated>2009-11-27T17:20:59Z</updated>
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	<subtitle type="html">Discusses *teaching* English as a foreign language in China. &lt;a href=&quot;http://teflchina.org/welcome&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Welcome page + List Rules&lt;/a&gt;.</subtitle>
	
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26553327</id>
	<title>Re: (teach) 10 Tasks for Training Teachers to Use Web 2.0 Tools</title>
	<published>2009-11-27T17:20:59Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-27T17:20:59Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Margaret Orleans-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Stefan wonders
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; where I could find it.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Any suggestions?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I receive posts to this list as individual e-mail messages. &amp;nbsp;Each has the address of the poster at the top. &amp;nbsp;I think is also true of the daily digest. &amp;nbsp;It's only when you read the list online that the addresses are truncated.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--Peg
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</content>
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26549642</id>
	<title>(teach) 8th Asia TEFL International Conference</title>
	<published>2009-11-27T16:17:32Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-27T16:17:32Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>karenstanleyma-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&amp;nbsp;Note in the conference announcement that there is some funding available for presenters coming from outside Vietnam.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Karen
&lt;br&gt;________________________________
&lt;br&gt;From: Khalil Motallebzadeh [&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26549642&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;kmotallebz@...&lt;/a&gt;]
&lt;br&gt;Subject: 8th Asia TEFL International Conference
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dear Colleagues,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am happy to announce that the 8th Asia TEFL International Conference will be jointly held by Asia TEFL and Hanoi National University at La Thanh Guest House in Hanoi, Vietnam on August 6-8th, 2010.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Conference Chair is Prof. Le Van Canh, Asia TEFL Representative of Vietnam from Hanoi National University in Hanoi.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Travel grants of US$300 are available for 30 concurrent session presenters. This funding is available for presenters based outside of Vietnam. The deadline for submission of presentation proposals and travel grant application forms is January 15, 2010.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For more detailed information about the 2010 Asia TEFL conference, please visit the following website: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.asiatefl.org/2010conference/conference2.html&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.asiatefl.org/2010conference/conference2.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hope many of you will participate in the Hanoi conference.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best wishes,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Khalil Motallebzadeh,
&lt;br&gt;Asia TEFL Representative, Iran
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--
&lt;br&gt;Khalil Motallebzadeh (PhD),
&lt;br&gt;English Department,
&lt;br&gt;Islamic Azad University (IAU),
&lt;br&gt;Dr. Yousefi Street,
&lt;br&gt;Mashhad, Iran.
&lt;br&gt;</content>
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26549616</id>
	<title>Re: (teach) Teen Tunes</title>
	<published>2009-11-27T11:21:16Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-27T11:21:16Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>sheila swanson</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&amp;gt;While we're at it, what current DVDs available in China are good for
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;intensive listening at say, lower intermediate?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;another Brit animated movie about a chicken farm, I've forgotten the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;title. Mel Gibson does the rooster.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;Dave Nevin
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, this is really going back. I just found this in my mountain of e-mails in this account. The claymation movie with chickens and a farmer is called &amp;quot;Chicken Run&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;Sheila Swanson
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26549590</id>
	<title>(teach) 10 Tasks for Training Teachers to Use Web 2.0 Tools</title>
	<published>2009-11-27T08:44:13Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-27T08:44:13Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Stefan Penchev</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Nik,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your latest link works well on my end. I mean this one
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/blogs/nik-peachey/10-tasks-training-teachers-use-web-20-tools&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/blogs/nik-peachey/10-tasks-training-teachers-use-web-20-tools&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for the posting - very useful stuff, indeed.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Recently a moderator suggested that I should use Nik's personal e-mail for
&lt;br&gt;responses like this one. I wonder where I could find it. Any suggestions?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Steve NoNes
&lt;br&gt;</content>
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26549586</id>
	<title>(teach) Teaching Engish to engineers or marketing executives?</title>
	<published>2009-11-27T06:45:14Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-27T06:45:14Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>dk-5</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Design a cell phone with your students. Take them, step by step, through the
&lt;br&gt;process of market research, study the surveys, graphs and charts and listen
&lt;br&gt;to the opinions of customers, make decisions about the design, see your end
&lt;br&gt;result and watch to find out if your design is a success or not.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A great site for those teaching upper intermediate English to people in
&lt;br&gt;engineering or marketing.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edheads.org/activities/eng_cell/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.edheads.org/activities/eng_cell/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are other activities on this website as well.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dave Kees
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;GUANGZHOU, CHINA 
&lt;br&gt;Email - &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26549586&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DAVEKEES@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;Chat - Skype:DAVEKEES QQ:897869963
&lt;br&gt;Blog - &lt;a href=&quot;http://DAVEKEES.blogspot.com&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://DAVEKEES.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Podcast - &lt;a href=&quot;http://gcast.com/u/DAVEKEES&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://gcast.com/u/DAVEKEES&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;INSIGHTS INTO TEFL
&lt;br&gt;Blog - &lt;a href=&quot;http://INSIGHTS-INTO-TEFL.blogspot.com&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://INSIGHTS-INTO-TEFL.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Podcast - &lt;a href=&quot;http://gcast.com/u/INSIGHTS_TEFL&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://gcast.com/u/INSIGHTS_TEFL&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</content>
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26542413</id>
	<title>Re: (teach) passive voice (was: Writing)</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T19:53:55Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T19:53:55Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Margaret Orleans-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&lt;br&gt;--- On Thu, 11/26/09, Nelson Bank &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26542413&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;natlunla@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thank you, master Peg. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You're welcome, but the credit goes to Glowing Face Man, aka Sam Alexander, from whose website I was quoting.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; It's up there with &amp;quot;How many complements can a verb have?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; (subject only, subject and direct object, or subject, direct
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; object and indirect object)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don't forget subject, direct object and objective complement. &amp;nbsp;(They elected her president. &amp;nbsp;They called him a coward.)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--Peg
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26537106</id>
	<title>(teach) 10 Tasks for Training Teachers to Use Web 2.0 Tools</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T07:09:56Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T07:09:56Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Nik Peachey</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi All
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just published these training tasks for teacher trainers or for teacher who want to develop their own skills a little.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I've published them on the British Council Teaching English site, but it does have the word blog in the URL so I'm wondering if it is blocked???
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/blogs/nik-peachey/10-tasks-training-teachers-use-web-20-tools&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/blogs/nik-peachey/10-tasks-training-teachers-use-web-20-tools&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway, if you can see them i hope they will be useful
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nik Peachey | Learning Technology Consultant, Writer, Trainer
&lt;br&gt;Teacher Development: &lt;a href=&quot;http://nikpeachey.blogspot.com/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://nikpeachey.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;News and Tips: &lt;a href=&quot;http://quickshout.blogspot.com/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://quickshout.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Student Activities: &lt;a href=&quot;http://daily-english-activities.blogspot.com/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://daily-english-activities.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Social media: &lt;a href=&quot;http://bloggingandsocialmedia.blogspot.com/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bloggingandsocialmedia.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Twitter: &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/NikPeachey&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://twitter.com/NikPeachey&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;</content>
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26530566</id>
	<title>Re: (teach) passive voice (was: Writing)</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T06:49:41Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T06:49:41Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Nelson Bank</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html"> &amp;lt;&amp;quot;The (actor) (verb)ed the (object), therefore the (object) (verbed)&amp;quot;. If the sentence sounds natural and logical, and the conclusion is obvious, then the verb is ergative. If the sentence sounds strange, or the conclusion seems really bizarre, then the verb is not ergative.&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you, master Peg.  This is another way of classifying verbs, an important tool for internalizing grammar.  It's up there with &amp;quot;How many complements can a verb have? (subject only, subject and direct object, or subject, direct object and indirect object)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nelson Bank
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26530340</id>
	<title>Re: (teach) passive voice (was: Writing)</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T00:18:34Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T00:18:34Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>nate jarvis</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">They have probably gotten a lot of those drills from their Chinese teachers,
&lt;br&gt;haven't they?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;/peg&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;one would hope so, at least by the time they're studying composition. with
&lt;br&gt;the emphasis on testing, lots of the CETs we're relying on to give Ss the
&lt;br&gt;prereqs to what we're teaching aren't too concerned if their students don't
&lt;br&gt;retain, say, passive voice AFTER THE TEST on passive voice. (that's not to
&lt;br&gt;bash CETs; i've encountered a lot of FTEs who aren't concerned if Ss don't
&lt;br&gt;retain eg passive voice after the LESSON on passive voice or, in some cases,
&lt;br&gt;during it).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;if they don't seem to have much difficulty doing the drills, spend less time
&lt;br&gt;on the drills--a bit of teach-test-teach is probably safer than making
&lt;br&gt;assumptions about what they've been taught in the past and how much of it
&lt;br&gt;they've retained, especially with adults who might not have had an english
&lt;br&gt;class for several years, or without much clear knowledge of what their CETs
&lt;br&gt;have taught them when.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;most of the Ss i've done PV lessons with are excellent at converting PV&amp;lt;&amp;gt;AV
&lt;br&gt;when the verb's in the simple present, a little shaky (some of them) when
&lt;br&gt;it's simple past, and quite weak (almost all of them) once the perfect
&lt;br&gt;tenses are involved.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;WHY a writer would choose to use PV vs. AV (excepting instances where info
&lt;br&gt;is missing or redundant) is, to me, a question of style and/or register.
&lt;br&gt;regrettably, i've never had students advanced enough in their writing to be
&lt;br&gt;ready to move on from simply achieving clarity to achieving a given
&lt;br&gt;(appropriate) tone or style in their writing. i do agree with peg that
&lt;br&gt;(ultimately) WHY we use PV or AV is what's important, and that writers
&lt;br&gt;(including NSs) not adequately considering the &amp;quot;why&amp;quot; is probably the chief
&lt;br&gt;cause of overuse of PV.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;nate.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26530391</id>
	<title>Re: (teach) passive voice (was: Writing)</title>
	<published>2009-11-25T17:44:10Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-25T17:44:10Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Margaret Orleans-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Nelson,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here's another treatment of ergative verbs. &amp;nbsp;While it's heavily dependent on the Wikipedia article for examples, it includes a nifty test:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--begin quotation--
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here's a straightforward test to check whether a verb is ergative, assuming you're a fluent native speaker. Say the following sentence: &amp;quot;The (actor) (verb)ed the (object), therefore the (object) (verbed)&amp;quot;. If the sentence sounds natural and logical, and the conclusion is obvious, then the verb is ergative. If the sentence sounds strange, or the conclusion seems really bizarre, then the verb is not ergative.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Example 1. Paint. The sentence is: &amp;quot;The painter painted the wall, therefore the wall painted.&amp;quot;� The conclusion sounds extremely bizarre. Walls aren't known for their painting ability, after all. This verb is not ergative.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Example 2. Shatter. Sentence: &amp;quot;The rock shattered the window, therefore the window shattered.&amp;quot;� The sentence sounds natural, and the conclusion is so obvious it doesn't even need stating. This verb is ergative.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Example 3. Bake. &amp;quot;I baked the bread, so the bread baked.&amp;quot;� Ergative.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Example 4. Swallow. &amp;quot;The spy swallowed the poison, so the poison swallowed.&amp;quot;� Huh?! Not ergative.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--end quotation--
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The article can be found here:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.glowingfaceman.com/blog/ergative-verbs/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.glowingfaceman.com/blog/ergative-verbs/&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hope this is helpful.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--Peg
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</content>
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26522980</id>
	<title>Re: (teach) passive voice (was: Writing)</title>
	<published>2009-11-25T06:07:29Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-25T06:07:29Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Nelson Bank</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&amp;gt;Ergative verbs can be divided into several categories
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for the long version of 'ergative', although I really need even longer.  I want to put some knowledge of ergative into my lesson plans, but still don't have enough info on what it means.  The 'change of state' requirement is helping me along.
&lt;br&gt;Nelson Bank
&lt;br&gt;</content>
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26513193</id>
	<title>Re: (teach) passive voice (was: Writing)</title>
	<published>2009-11-24T20:14:21Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-24T20:14:21Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Stephanie Noke</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Marta said
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;If they want their writing to snap and grab the reader's attention, then they'll want to avoid using the passive voice like the plague.&amp;lt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I encounter the reverse problem. &amp;nbsp;I find it very difficult to get people to write business reports in the passive voice. &amp;nbsp;It is always, I, I, I but this makes it subjective when it should be objective. &amp;nbsp;Maybe it would help if students understand the purpose of using active vs passive and the appropriate domains.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stehanie
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26513175</id>
	<title>Re: (teach) Re: Writing</title>
	<published>2009-11-24T20:00:05Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-24T20:00:05Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Margaret Orleans-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&lt;br&gt;--- On Wed, 11/25/09, dk &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26513175&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;davekees1@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I call it Teamwriting. [snip] &amp;nbsp;I divide the blackboard space into vertical sections large enough to allow someone to stand in front of one section and large enough to contain the writing task (about one-meter wide). Then I divide the class into pairs or teams, assigning each set of students to a part of the board.&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have used this successfully with high school classes in Japan and a friend tells me that she always uses it with her college writing classes. &amp;nbsp;Even when I'm teaching in a room with projection equipment, I've found that getting students on their feet often results in more contributions from more members and quicker completion of the task.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--Peg
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26513128</id>
	<title>Re: (teach) passive voice (was: Writing)</title>
	<published>2009-11-24T19:55:45Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-24T19:55:45Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Margaret Orleans-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&lt;br&gt;--- On Tue, 11/24/09, nate jarvis &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26513128&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;natejarv@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'd want to give them a lot of open practice where they convert AV&amp;gt;PV and PV&amp;gt;AV, as well as a worksheet where they can practice writing those
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They have probably gotten a lot of those drills from their Chinese teachers, haven't they? &amp;nbsp;One result of such drills (in the absence of any other instruction about passive voice) is that students assume both forms are equally appropriate in any context.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have three points to make on this subject:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. What students need is instruction in the appropriate use of passive voice.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This site sums up what most people have contributed to this thread so far and includes some useful examples:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.protrainco.com/essays/passive.htm#ok&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.protrainco.com/essays/passive.htm#ok&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. But an area that never seems to be addressed (and which I run across often in my role as copy editor for a center that publishes dozens of professional journals) is the role of ergative verbs. &amp;nbsp;Their use in scientific reports, in particular, is a way around using a lot of passive constructions. &amp;nbsp;See the verbs listed in the first category in the excerpt from Wikipedia below:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--begin quotation--
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In English, most verbs can be used intransitively, but ordinarily this does not change the role of the subject; consider, for example, &amp;quot;He ate the soup&amp;quot; (transitive) and &amp;quot;He ate&amp;quot; (intransitive), where the only difference is that the latter does not specify what was eaten. By contrast, with an ergative verb the role of the subject changes; consider &amp;quot;it broke the window&amp;quot; (transitive) and &amp;quot;the window broke&amp;quot; (intransitive).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ergative verbs can be divided into several categories:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; * Verbs suggesting a change of state - break, burst, form, heal, melt, tear, transform
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; * Verbs of cooking - bake, boil, cook, fry
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; * Verbs of movement - move, shake, sweep, turn, walk
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; * Verbs involving vehicles - drive, fly, reverse, run, sail
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some of these can be used intransitively in either sense: &amp;quot;I'm cooking the pasta&amp;quot; is fairly synonymous with both &amp;quot;The pasta is cooking&amp;quot; (as an ergative verb) and &amp;quot;I'm cooking&amp;quot;, although it obviously gives more information than either.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unlike a passive verb, a nominalization, an infinitive, or a gerund, which would allow the agent to be deleted but would also allow it to be included, the intransitive version of an ergative verb requires the agent to be deleted:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; * &amp;quot;The window was broken&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;The window was broken by the burglar.&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; * &amp;quot;to break the window&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;for the burglar to break the window&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; * &amp;quot;the breaking of the window&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;the breaking of the window by the burglar&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; * &amp;quot;The window broke&amp;quot; but not &amp;quot;The window broke by the burglar.&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Indeed, the intransitive form of an ergative verb almost suggests that there is no agent.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--end quotation--
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thus, there is no need to report &amp;quot;the crops were grown in a solution of slurry&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;the mixture was melted at a temperature of x&amp;quot; because the writers can use the intransitive form of the ergative verb.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3. A third area, for which I cannot find a website, is that for some synonym pairs, one verb is passive while the other is active and students (my Japanese students, who are often mentally translating from Japanese when it comes to higher lever vocabulary) often choose the passive one. &amp;nbsp;A few examples off the top of my head:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;was raised vs. grew up
&lt;br&gt;was introduced to vs. met
&lt;br&gt;was admitted to vs. entered
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So the problem is sometimes one of vocabulary rather than grammar.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--Peg
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26505840</id>
	<title>Re: (teach) passive voice (was: Writing)</title>
	<published>2009-11-24T15:35:27Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-24T15:35:27Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>drumbeatdeva</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">You can compare overuse of the passive voice to overusing the sustain pedal on the piano, which creates a legato effect, forcing all the notes to echo and overlap. 
&lt;br&gt;I tell students that although the passive voice lends their writing a note of authority, readers usually find it dull and uninteresting.  If they want their writing to snap and grab the reader's attention, then they'll want to avoid using the passive voice like the plague.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Marta Holadek
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26505830</id>
	<title>(teach) Writing: The Elements of Strunk</title>
	<published>2009-11-24T15:18:35Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-24T15:18:35Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>drumbeatdeva</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I had a copy of The Elements of Strunk for over 20 years; I first got it when I earned my degree in journalism.  It's just a small, thin book, but it's probably one of the most valuable guides for anyone writing English.  I highly recommend it.  Strunk advises writers to ruthlessly eliminate extra words.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Marta Holadek
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26505797</id>
	<title>(teach) Re: Writing</title>
	<published>2009-11-24T13:58:33Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-24T13:58:33Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>dk-5</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I have been doing research in a method I developed at a university and at
&lt;br&gt;multinational businesses where I taught managers and businessmen. I call it
&lt;br&gt;Teamwriting. It helps students to benefit from peers, helps students to
&lt;br&gt;learn not only from their mistakes but from the mistakes of others and makes
&lt;br&gt;the most economical and efficient use of the students' and the teacher's
&lt;br&gt;time.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I divide the blackboard space into vertical sections large enough to allow
&lt;br&gt;someone to stand in front of one section and large enough to contain the
&lt;br&gt;writing task (about one-meter wide). Then I divide the class into pairs or
&lt;br&gt;teams, assigning each set of students to a part of the board. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The writing tasks are everything from brainstorming a subject to writing a
&lt;br&gt;paragraph to writing an essay (write small). This works quite well with a
&lt;br&gt;class of about 20 but I've only been able to do it with a class of 40 when
&lt;br&gt;we had blackboards on two walls of the classroom. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sometimes each group gets a different topic to work on or sometimes it is
&lt;br&gt;the same and they compete with the other groups. I get the whole class out
&lt;br&gt;of their seats and up to the board. Usually one student will take up the
&lt;br&gt;chalk while the rest of the team (from one to three others) offers
&lt;br&gt;suggestions and corrections during the writing process. I find this gets the
&lt;br&gt;students intimately involved with the language process and able to benefit
&lt;br&gt;from the help of some of their classmates - thus the peer-learning factor. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;After the writing is done, usually terminated by a set period of time, I
&lt;br&gt;will examine each writing sample, one-by-one, with the entire class looking
&lt;br&gt;on. First, I will ask the class to offer corrections. The class really
&lt;br&gt;focuses on this activity. You can see every eye examining the sample trying
&lt;br&gt;to see if it is correct or not. Some speak up. Others may have ideas about
&lt;br&gt;the writing even though they may not voice them. But they're all involved.
&lt;br&gt;Then I will offer my corrections, if any. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some of my classrooms are equipped with AV equipment, essentially a video
&lt;br&gt;camera and projector, which allow the projection of books or papers. If the
&lt;br&gt;classroom has this sort of equipment the students do not need to write at
&lt;br&gt;the blackboard but can do their teamwriting on a piece of paper that the
&lt;br&gt;teacher can project and correct before the class.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Teamwriting seems to be more effective than personally correcting individual
&lt;br&gt;writings or conferencing with students, and especially so when considering
&lt;br&gt;the economy of time. It allows every student to test their ideas about the
&lt;br&gt;language, it enables immediate feedback and is a quick, easy and engaging
&lt;br&gt;way to &amp;quot;learn from the mistakes of others&amp;quot;.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dave Kees
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26496502</id>
	<title>(teach) Writing</title>
	<published>2009-11-24T02:42:18Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-24T02:42:18Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Dave-208</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&amp;gt;These students will be writing
&lt;br&gt;the Test for English Majors (TEM)8 exam next semester. Any thoughts?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;Western Civilization with Chinese Comparisons&amp;quot; Blair and McCormack
&lt;br&gt;ISBN 7-309-0511-8 , while they were visiting profs at BFSU in 2006, has a
&lt;br&gt;CD with 2 pages of direct comparison. (amongst 900 pages of other docs).
&lt;br&gt;It helped juniors Advanced writing.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;THe Elements of Style, Strunk and WHite, available as a reprint in H-K,
&lt;br&gt;ISBN 0-205-30902-X but I haven't read it.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think I have 2 pages as a doc file somewhere...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dave Nevin
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26496401</id>
	<title>(teach) passive voice (was: Writing)</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T22:54:33Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T22:54:33Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>nate jarvis</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">One of the specific problems Russ mentions is overuse of passive voice. I've
&lt;br&gt;done mini-lectures/demonstrations on how to turn active voice into passive
&lt;br&gt;and how to turn passive voice into active both with and without a convenient
&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;by [whoever]&amp;quot; phrase. Usually this entails something like &amp;quot;the mouse... the
&lt;br&gt;cat... killed.... who did what?&amp;quot; which ought to be fairly intuitive. When we
&lt;br&gt;get to turning something like &amp;quot;My phone was stolen&amp;quot; into &amp;quot;[Someone/A thief/A
&lt;br&gt;criminal] stole my phone.&amp;quot; it becomes obvious that &amp;quot;someone&amp;quot; doesn't add any
&lt;br&gt;real information, and from there we get to the idea that if you have the
&lt;br&gt;information you should give it, if you don't have you should find it, and
&lt;br&gt;only then should you consider using passive voice. Obviously &amp;quot;a thief stole
&lt;br&gt;my phone&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;My mother bore me&amp;quot; don't add any information not implied in
&lt;br&gt;the PV versions.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I'd want to give them a lot of open practice where they convert AV&amp;gt;PV and
&lt;br&gt;PV&amp;gt;AV, as well as a worksheet where they can practice writing those
&lt;br&gt;conversions. Once you're sure they're actually able to convert PV&amp;gt;AV (that
&lt;br&gt;is, mechanically) it's (hopefully) a simple matter of telling them &amp;quot;I found
&lt;br&gt;three PV sentences in your essay I feel would be better in AV.&amp;quot; It will
&lt;br&gt;probably take a while before there's no problems with it, especially if
&lt;br&gt;you've got classes so large you can't give yr Ss much in the way of
&lt;br&gt;individual feedback, but if you've held their hand and walked them through
&lt;br&gt;the steps of undoing what we all tend to consider a misstep, then point it
&lt;br&gt;out on a regular basis, they should do it much less frequently.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nate.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26496329</id>
	<title>Re: (teach) Writing</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T22:35:56Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T22:35:56Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>nate jarvis</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">One thing I'll do is work on structure without writing any real prose. We do
&lt;br&gt;mind maps and outlines just as exercises--not as prep for an essay--as well
&lt;br&gt;as for prewriting. Sometimes I'll number the paragraphs in a student's essay
&lt;br&gt;then identify the main idea of each. If the main idea is repeated,
&lt;br&gt;non-existent or irrelevant to the main idea of the piece as a whole I might
&lt;br&gt;point that out. That's also the first step in looking at a student's essay
&lt;br&gt;and describing its structure using a mind map or outline, which is also
&lt;br&gt;something students can do as part of peer review.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One thing you might try is to
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1 put Ss in groups of six
&lt;br&gt;2 each one writes an outline for a well-structured 5 paragraph essay
&lt;br&gt;3 Ss pass their outlines to the S on their right
&lt;br&gt;4 Ss write the 1st paragraph for the outline from the S on their left
&lt;br&gt;5 they pass to the right
&lt;br&gt;6 write the 2nd paragraph, based on the outline and 1st paragraph
&lt;br&gt;7 pass to the right
&lt;br&gt;8 and so on
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;if the outline isn't well planned, if the introduction is poorly written or
&lt;br&gt;someone starts to ramble, they'll let each other know.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i did this with mind maps a few days ago. we did three branches off three
&lt;br&gt;branches (so 3^0 + 3^1 + 3^3 = 13) and one student picked &amp;quot;planets&amp;quot; as the
&lt;br&gt;main topic. the subtopics they put in were &amp;quot;moon&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;sun&amp;quot;, and &amp;quot;earth&amp;quot;.
&lt;br&gt;several students pointed out that while they could think of things that fit
&lt;br&gt;under the subtopics, none of them and anything to do with the main topic
&lt;br&gt;(also that the moon and the sun aren't actually planets). i just smiled and
&lt;br&gt;said &amp;quot;and you're better off knowing that BEFORE you write than AFTER you
&lt;br&gt;write&amp;quot; and told them not to worry about it that day.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i think it can be a forest/trees situation when they're looking at several
&lt;br&gt;hundred words in an L2, but is often much clearer when working with an
&lt;br&gt;abbreviated description of the content of an essay, either before (in
&lt;br&gt;planning) or after (in reverse-engineered &amp;quot;planning&amp;quot; for purposes of
&lt;br&gt;analysis). doing essays without any actual writing might be a good first
&lt;br&gt;step.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;nate.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26496316</id>
	<title>Re: (teach) Writing</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T06:50:44Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T06:50:44Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Julian Suddaby-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">russssch wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I've just started teaching my first Discourse Writing class and was 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; wondering if others had come across the same problems with Chinese 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; students' English writing with it's indirectness, it's inappropriate 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; word choices, it's average at best use of English grammar and it's 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; over-dependence on the passive. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the past I taught expository writing for sophomores in Beijing. They 
&lt;br&gt;had many of the same problems you describe. Freshman and sophomore 
&lt;br&gt;American undergraduates, in my experience of TAing here, often have 
&lt;br&gt;remarkably similar problems with indirectness, overuse of the passive, 
&lt;br&gt;and inappropriate word choice. It is not simply a Chinese problem!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One essential problem seems to me the fact that students have not often 
&lt;br&gt;read many essays similar to the ones they are supposed to be producing. 
&lt;br&gt;I have never been able to find a good collection of model 
&lt;br&gt;university-level student papers. Has anyone found one? I always 
&lt;br&gt;regretted not having a massive collection of example essays available 
&lt;br&gt;for my Chinese students to consult.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I differ from Mary Kelley a little with regards to Chinglish. If we 
&lt;br&gt;teach students to rely on teacher correction (&amp;quot;this phrase here is 
&lt;br&gt;Chinglish, this is correct&amp;quot;) to fix errors then we make them reliant on 
&lt;br&gt;us and give ourselves unnecessary work. If students have access to the 
&lt;br&gt;internet, why can't they Google every phrase of which they are not 
&lt;br&gt;certain? You may need to teach students how best to use Google for this 
&lt;br&gt;to work. Students may also think this is too time-consuming -- but this 
&lt;br&gt;is, in my opinion, time they should be spending (and not time the 
&lt;br&gt;teacher, who has to grade many many papers, should be spending).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I tell all my students that papers can never be too clear. Use of the 
&lt;br&gt;passive and general indirectness make it difficult for the reader. 
&lt;br&gt;Clarity is something we all have to work on when we write, and I have 
&lt;br&gt;yet too see a student paper that is too clear. I read Chinese and I am 
&lt;br&gt;not greatly convinced by the arguments students present about it &amp;quot;not 
&lt;br&gt;being Chinese to state things directly&amp;quot;. This is not to deny there are 
&lt;br&gt;some differences between Chinese and English essay writing. But I would 
&lt;br&gt;suggest, rather, that, the problem is often that students are unsure of 
&lt;br&gt;what they want to say. I always spend a lot of time on thesis and topic 
&lt;br&gt;sentences. If these are not clear, nothing else will be.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Julian Suddaby
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26496292</id>
	<title>Re: (teach) Writing</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T05:52:12Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T05:52:12Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Nelson Bank</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&amp;gt;writing indirectly employing 'beautiful phrases'
&lt;br&gt; 
&lt;br&gt;Do you have time to do 5-minute 1-on-1's in your classes?  There's a lot more energy in this format, and students pick up more evaluative feedback.  Still, it's a long-haul effort, worth it.
&lt;br&gt;Nelson Bank
&lt;br&gt;</content>
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26478480</id>
	<title>(teach) Writing</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T05:39:23Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T05:39:23Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>mary kelley</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi, Chinglish is a normal part of the learning process. I point out this is Chinglish, that's English, etc. I will help them re-write/correct the essay. After many times they get it.
&lt;br&gt;MK
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26478036</id>
	<title>(teach) Blog topic re-routed to Life</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T05:26:15Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T05:26:15Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Nelson Bank</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Thanks for the input on Blogs.  All further Blog posts will be re-routed to Life.
&lt;br&gt;Teach List Moderator
&lt;br&gt;</content>
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26478038</id>
	<title>(teach) Are you as smart as a CEO?</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T03:49:26Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T03:49:26Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>dk-5</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Here is a chance to have a go at being CEO. You and your students can
&lt;br&gt;experience the hard work and the thrills of starting a business. Make
&lt;br&gt;decisions about the product, service, customer, sourcing, marketing and
&lt;br&gt;more. Then experience the ecstasy of victory or agony of defeat.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is a business simulation website that is suitable for
&lt;br&gt;upper-intermediate students. Students will have the opportunity to be
&lt;br&gt;introduced to words like ethical, brand-driven, recyclable, labor costs,
&lt;br&gt;etc.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.btplc.com/Societyandenvironment/Businessgame/BetterBusinessChoice&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.btplc.com/Societyandenvironment/Businessgame/BetterBusinessChoice&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;s/index.html
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;OK, I failed. But will the government bail me out?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dave Kees
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;GUANGZHOU, CHINA 
&lt;br&gt;Email - &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26478038&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DAVEKEES@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;Chat - Skype:DAVEKEES QQ:897869963
&lt;br&gt;Blog - &lt;a href=&quot;http://DAVEKEES.blogspot.com&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://DAVEKEES.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Podcast - &lt;a href=&quot;http://gcast.com/u/DAVEKEES&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://gcast.com/u/DAVEKEES&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;INSIGHTS INTO TEFL
&lt;br&gt;Blog - &lt;a href=&quot;http://INSIGHTS-INTO-TEFL.blogspot.com&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://INSIGHTS-INTO-TEFL.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Podcast - &lt;a href=&quot;http://gcast.com/u/INSIGHTS_TEFL&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://gcast.com/u/INSIGHTS_TEFL&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</content>
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26478069</id>
	<title>(teach) Writing</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T02:05:59Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T02:05:59Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Russ Taylor-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi to all, 
&lt;br&gt;I've just started teaching my first Discourse Writing class and was wondering if others had come across the same problems with Chinese students' English writing with it's indirectness, it's inappropriate word choices, it's average at best use of English grammar and it's over-dependence on the passive. I understand why those problems are there I think, the students are producing inter-language, English with Chinese characteristics as I refer to it, &amp;nbsp;but I wonder if any teachers out there could tell how they surmount these problems. How do you get a Chinese student to correctly structure an argumentative essay in English in the requisite direct style rather than writing indirectly employing 'beautiful phrases'(sic)?
&lt;br&gt;I'm teaching seniors at a Normal university (when they are not job hunting that is)
&lt;br&gt;I have recommended some websites like the Online Writing Lab for help with General Academic Writing and in particular with Argumentative Writing and I am encouraging the reading of Op-Eds in native English newspapers and magazines to see how argumentative writing is written within word limits. These students will be writing the Test for English Majors (TEM)8 exam next semester. Any thoughts?
&lt;br&gt;Thanks
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Russ Taylor
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26465082</id>
	<title>(teach) Blogs Blocked</title>
	<published>2009-11-22T04:03:36Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-22T04:03:36Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Susan Kelly-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">It's frustrating as many professional information is found in blogs. &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;Just now I couldn't get into Shutterfly. Is that a fluke or another blocked site?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Susan K.Jinan
&lt;br&gt;</content>
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26465060</id>
	<title>(teach) Re:The word 'blog' is blacklisted in this country</title>
	<published>2009-11-21T22:31:40Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-21T22:31:40Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>dk-5</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">A few blogs are blocked in China but the word &amp;quot;blog&amp;quot; does not trigger any
&lt;br&gt;blocking. For example, these blogs are easily assessable:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.typepad.com/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.typepad.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.livejournal.com/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.livejournal.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And this,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogsearch.google.com/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogsearch.google.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;leads to many blogs and none of the ones I checked were blocked.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The likely problem is the F.a.l.u.n-G,o,n,g. If these guys start a blog or a
&lt;br&gt;website then the whole thing gets shut down or even the whole ISP. I use
&lt;br&gt;Blogspot, a Google blog site, which has been blocked and unblocked
&lt;br&gt;periodically. It has most recently been blocked for several months. It has
&lt;br&gt;37,800 hits for the F.a.l.u.n-G,o,n,g. If an online magazine or newspaper
&lt;br&gt;does too much stuff about them then it gets shut down, too. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You will need to find a proxy to access those websites you want.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dave 
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26460002</id>
	<title>(teach) Got medical students?</title>
	<published>2009-11-20T22:33:45Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-20T22:33:45Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>dk-5</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">You will freak out with the gradual realization that you have failed to save
&lt;br&gt;the world. Oh Mom, if only I listened to you and went to medical school!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is a great website for medical students studying English at an
&lt;br&gt;Upper-Intermediate level. It is an interactive game where you are
&lt;br&gt;responsible for dealing with a virus break out. Your goal is to isolate it
&lt;br&gt;and not let it spread around the world. You have a large budget, many
&lt;br&gt;options are available and you are receiving video reports and news articles
&lt;br&gt;updating you on the events. It provides a rich language environment for the
&lt;br&gt;students with an added realism that almost overwhelms you.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thegreatflu.com/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thegreatflu.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sorry I failed you world. Can I play again?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dave Kees
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;GUANGZHOU, CHINA 
&lt;br&gt;Email - &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26460002&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DAVEKEES@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;Chat - Skype:DAVEKEES QQ:897869963
&lt;br&gt;Blog - &lt;a href=&quot;http://DAVEKEES.blogspot.com&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://DAVEKEES.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Podcast - &lt;a href=&quot;http://gcast.com/u/DAVEKEES&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://gcast.com/u/DAVEKEES&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;INSIGHTS INTO TEFL
&lt;br&gt;Blog - &lt;a href=&quot;http://INSIGHTS-INTO-TEFL.blogspot.com&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://INSIGHTS-INTO-TEFL.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Podcast - &lt;a href=&quot;http://gcast.com/u/INSIGHTS_TEFL&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://gcast.com/u/INSIGHTS_TEFL&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</content>
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26452960</id>
	<title>(teach) The word 'blog' is blacklisted in this country</title>
	<published>2009-11-19T23:18:06Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-19T23:18:06Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Stefan Penchev</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Nik Peachey's postings are always very interesting and helpful. However none
&lt;br&gt;of the links he provided can be opened from Guangzhou, probably because they
&lt;br&gt;contain the dangerous word 'blog', which seems to switch on the blocking
&lt;br&gt;algorithm: most (i.e. at least 90 per cent) links containing it are
&lt;br&gt;inaccessible.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Steve NoNes
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</content>
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26432052</id>
	<title>(teach) EU project Motivating adult language learners</title>
	<published>2009-11-19T09:01:13Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-19T09:01:13Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>joel_josephson</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">r.e. Don't Give Up! European Union language project
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don't Give Up! Is a European Union language project that has written a book of 48 best practices for every level of language educators (schools, managers, teachers). The best practices will help improve the motivation and the results of language courses for adult learners.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The project spent 2 years researching and analyzing the problems of adult learners, language educators were asked their opinions and ideas, as well. The results of the research were combined with the project team's ideas and experience.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The best practices cover aspects of managing language schools and classes, enhancing lessons, engaging and motivating students and dealing with many aspects of the problems adult learners face to learn a language. This book can positively contribute to the results of your language courses.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The best practices are summarized on the project website &lt;a href=&quot;http://dontgiveup.eu&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://dontgiveup.eu&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;with some examples. The 138 page Don't Give Up! Book is available through the web site in English, Czech or Spanish. Please visit the project website to request a copy.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Joel
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26432185</id>
	<title>Re: (teach) Selling lessons online</title>
	<published>2009-11-19T02:57:02Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-19T02:57:02Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Nik Peachey</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I wrote a blog post explaining some of the pros and cons of selling your own materials online and how you can set it up, if anyone is interested.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://bloggingandsocialmedia.blogspot.com/2009/07/selling-your-work-on-your-site-or-blog.html&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bloggingandsocialmedia.blogspot.com/2009/07/selling-your-work-on-your-site-or-blog.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;Nik Peachey | Learning Technology Consultant, Writer, Trainer
&lt;br&gt;Teacher Development: &lt;a href=&quot;http://nikpeachey.blogspot.com/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://nikpeachey.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;News and Tips: &lt;a href=&quot;http://quickshout.blogspot.com/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://quickshout.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Student Activities: &lt;a href=&quot;http://daily-english-activities.blogspot.com/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://daily-english-activities.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Social media: &lt;a href=&quot;http://bloggingandsocialmedia.blogspot.com/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bloggingandsocialmedia.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Twitter: &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/NikPeachey&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://twitter.com/NikPeachey&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;</content>
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26431508</id>
	<title>Re: (teach) Free learning resources Swine Flu</title>
	<published>2009-11-18T20:12:00Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-18T20:12:00Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Stephanie Noke</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Below is a link to some free learning resources on Swine Flu. &amp;nbsp;They are for teachers and students and I think are well done.
&lt;br&gt;Stephanie
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.learninga-z.com/special/swineflu/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.learninga-z.com/special/swineflu/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;</content>
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26431550</id>
	<title>(teach) Re: Webquests for ESL/EFL</title>
	<published>2009-11-18T17:39:46Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-18T17:39:46Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>karenstanleyma-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">--- Fatemeh Towhidi wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'm working on a project and we are required to do a webquest on ESL/EFL students. Does anyone here know any good pages that has samples or good webquests on these classes?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Have you tried Google? &amp;nbsp;When I Googled [[ ESL webquest ]] I got a huge number of hits. &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, other people on the list may have some that they know work particularly well, although the success of a particular webquest could depend on what type of student you are teaching.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Karen
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://karen.stanley.people.cpcc.edu&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://karen.stanley.people.cpcc.edu&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</content>
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26405324</id>
	<title>(teach) Danish exams</title>
	<published>2009-11-17T05:22:14Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-17T05:22:14Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Dave-208</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&amp;gt; surf for the answers, plus cut &amp; paste.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;Would it happen in China?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It already does :-) 2hr exam on bible stories, question about equal
&lt;br&gt;treatment of woman biblical and China, or something (I forget exactly), 3
&lt;br&gt;long written answers and in the middle of one, a cut and paste para.
&lt;br&gt;Not her writing, found it on google :-)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Did she have a web/phone under the desk?
&lt;br&gt;Or, had she done her research and memorised a para in case it came in handy?
&lt;br&gt;Did she deserve credit for research, foresight and memory? (It only popped
&lt;br&gt;up on 3 websites so she's been thorough ! )
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I didn't believe she had a phone so I gave her credit = to debit for
&lt;br&gt;pasting...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dave Nevin
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</content>
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