TM on a MAC

[dajaknowles]

Has anyone had any luck with this other than having to buy a Windows Disk?

Thanks,
Leslie Knowles
T170 Secretary
LRAFB, Jacksonville, AR

[Thom Holland]

Hi Leslie,

No.  I tried using a program (forgot the name of it) that would allow M$
products to run on a Mac, but I couldn't get it to work.  So far the
only solution I know of is to load Windows.

-Thom


dajaknowles wrote:
>
> Has anyone had any luck with this other than having to buy a Windows Disk?
>
> Thanks,
> Leslie Knowles
> T170 Secretary
> LRAFB, Jacksonville, AR
>

[dajaknowles]

--- In TMTUG@..., Thom Holland <thom.holland@...> wrote:
>
Just trying to save some money.  I have several Windows disks, but they all "belong" to a
certain machine and the one XP I have is too old, not SP or better.  Hmm, I wonder if they
will let me upgrade that disk?

Has anyone tried the new release of Windows 7 on bootcamp?

Thanks

Leslie

> Hi Leslie,
>
> No.  I tried using a program (forgot the name of it) that would allow M$
> products to run on a Mac, but I couldn't get it to work.  So far the
> only solution I know of is to load Windows.
>
> -Thom
>
>
> dajaknowles wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone had any luck with this other than having to buy a Windows Disk?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Leslie Knowles
> > T170 Secretary
> > LRAFB, Jacksonville, AR
> >
>

[Kenneth-44]

Leslie,

Are you saying you just have the Windows XP OS disk, or you have a
computer with Windows XP?

If you have the XP OS disk, once installed, you might still be able
to just update it from the web to SP2 for Windows XP if Microsoft is
still allowing that update.

What the heck is Windows 7? I know after XP came out it has been
called Windows Mohave and Windows Vista, never heard of Windows 7?

Ken

--- In TMTUG@..., "dajaknowles" <dajaknowles@...> wrote:
>
> --- In TMTUG@..., Thom Holland <thom.holland@> wrote:
> >
> Just trying to save some money.  I have several Windows disks, but
they all "belong" to a
> certain machine and the one XP I have is too old, not SP or
better.  Hmm, I wonder if they

> will let me upgrade that disk?
>
> Has anyone tried the new release of Windows 7 on bootcamp?
>
> Thanks
>
> Leslie
>
> > Hi Leslie,
> >
> > No.  I tried using a program (forgot the name of it) that would

allow M$
> > products to run on a Mac, but I couldn't get it to work.  So far
the
> > only solution I know of is to load Windows.
> >
> > -Thom
> >
> >
> > dajaknowles wrote:
> > >
> > > Has anyone had any luck with this other than having to buy a
Windows Disk?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Leslie Knowles
> > > T170 Secretary
> > > LRAFB, Jacksonville, AR
> > >
> >
>

[Greg Marr]

At 03:23 AM 1/23/2009, Kenneth wrote:
>What the heck is Windows 7? I know after XP came out it has been
>called Windows Mohave and Windows Vista, never heard of Windows 7?

Windows 7 is the next version of Windows, currently in Beta.

--
Greg Marr
gregm@...

[dajaknowles]

I do have a Windows XP disk, but with bootcamp, it specifically states you cannot use
anything prior to SP2, no upgrade-has to be with the install.

Windows 7 is the newest version in Beta stage.

Leslie


--- In TMTUG@..., "Kenneth" <khartman@...> wrote:

>
> Leslie,
>
> Are you saying you just have the Windows XP OS disk, or you have a
> computer with Windows XP?
>
> If you have the XP OS disk, once installed, you might still be able
> to just update it from the web to SP2 for Windows XP if Microsoft is
> still allowing that update.
>
> What the heck is Windows 7? I know after XP came out it has been
> called Windows Mohave and Windows Vista, never heard of Windows 7?
>
> Ken
>
> --- In TMTUG@..., "dajaknowles" <dajaknowles@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In TMTUG@..., Thom Holland <thom.holland@> wrote:
> > >
> > Just trying to save some money.  I have several Windows disks, but
> they all "belong" to a
> > certain machine and the one XP I have is too old, not SP or
> better.  Hmm, I wonder if they
> > will let me upgrade that disk?
> >
> > Has anyone tried the new release of Windows 7 on bootcamp?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Leslie
> >
> > > Hi Leslie,
> > >
> > > No.  I tried using a program (forgot the name of it) that would
> allow M$
> > > products to run on a Mac, but I couldn't get it to work.  So far
> the
> > > only solution I know of is to load Windows.
> > >
> > > -Thom
> > >
> > >
> > > dajaknowles wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone had any luck with this other than having to buy a
> Windows Disk?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Leslie Knowles
> > > > T170 Secretary
> > > > LRAFB, Jacksonville, AR
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[dajaknowles]

I do have a Windows XP disk, but with bootcamp, it specifically states you cannot use
anything prior to SP2, no upgrade-has to be with the install.

Windows 7 is the newest version in Beta stage.

Leslie


--- In TMTUG@..., "Kenneth" <khartman@...> wrote:

>
> Leslie,
>
> Are you saying you just have the Windows XP OS disk, or you have a
> computer with Windows XP?
>
> If you have the XP OS disk, once installed, you might still be able
> to just update it from the web to SP2 for Windows XP if Microsoft is
> still allowing that update.
>
> What the heck is Windows 7? I know after XP came out it has been
> called Windows Mohave and Windows Vista, never heard of Windows 7?
>
> Ken
>
> --- In TMTUG@..., "dajaknowles" <dajaknowles@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In TMTUG@..., Thom Holland <thom.holland@> wrote:
> > >
> > Just trying to save some money.  I have several Windows disks, but
> they all "belong" to a
> > certain machine and the one XP I have is too old, not SP or
> better.  Hmm, I wonder if they
> > will let me upgrade that disk?
> >
> > Has anyone tried the new release of Windows 7 on bootcamp?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Leslie
> >
> > > Hi Leslie,
> > >
> > > No.  I tried using a program (forgot the name of it) that would
> allow M$
> > > products to run on a Mac, but I couldn't get it to work.  So far
> the
> > > only solution I know of is to load Windows.
> > >
> > > -Thom
> > >
> > >
> > > dajaknowles wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone had any luck with this other than having to buy a
> Windows Disk?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Leslie Knowles
> > > > T170 Secretary
> > > > LRAFB, Jacksonville, AR
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Tim W-2]

Leslie,

I tried uninstalling and reinstalling my TM under Wine, but I'm having
problems applying the upgrade (4.01a). I'm using the latest
development version of Wine (1.1.13), so I think that's the problem.
I'll try again after I downgrade back to 1.1.10.

If you have a Windows XP disk, you may want to try installing it under
VirtualBox ( http://www.virtualbox.org/ ) I've installed TM2008 under
VirtualBox on an Ubuntu machine and it works just fine. (No DotNet
hang problem like under Wine either.)

--- In TMTUG@..., "dajaknowles" <dajaknowles@...> wrote:
>
> I do have a Windows XP disk, but with bootcamp, it specifically
states you cannot use
> anything prior to SP2, no upgrade-has to be with the install.
>
> Windows 7 is the newest version in Beta stage.
>
> Leslie
>

[Tim W-2]

I got TM2008 reinstalled under Wine.  The install didn't go as
smoothly as I remember doing it initially, I think the uninstall
wasn't as clean as is should have been.  I'd be interested if you have
success using Wine on a Mac.

The problem with an old version of XP w/o the updates is you don't get
all those security patches.  Windows programs under Wine aren't immune
to malware, but I think you're a little more protected inside of the
host OS. That could be wishful thinking on my part though.
The bottom of the FAQ at http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ talks about this a
bit. It also mentions running Wine on a Mac.

Here's a link to Wine on a Mac:

http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX


--- In TMTUG@..., "Tim Williams" <tjandacw@...> wrote:

>
> Leslie,
>
> I tried uninstalling and reinstalling my TM under Wine, but I'm having
> problems applying the upgrade (4.01a). I'm using the latest
> development version of Wine (1.1.13), so I think that's the problem.
> I'll try again after I downgrade back to 1.1.10.
>
> If you have a Windows XP disk, you may want to try installing it under
> VirtualBox ( http://www.virtualbox.org/ ) I've installed TM2008 under
> VirtualBox on an Ubuntu machine and it works just fine. (No DotNet
> hang problem like under Wine either.)
>
> --- In TMTUG@..., "dajaknowles" <dajaknowles@> wrote:
> >
> > I do have a Windows XP disk, but with bootcamp, it specifically
> states you cannot use
> > anything prior to SP2, no upgrade-has to be with the install.
> >
> > Windows 7 is the newest version in Beta stage.
> >
> > Leslie
> >
>

[lioncub1956]

I'm running Parallels with WinXP under Leopard.  Still using Troopmaster ME.  It all installed
and works fine.  I still use parallels for four old windows programs.  Wish there was a native
Mac version through.  
Richard Hix
ASM Troop 387
Roadrunner District

[Kenneth-44]

Richard,

No offense man, but you really need to hit your Troop Committee up to
pay the money to update that software...geez...it's well worth it.

YiS,
Ken Hartman
SM-Troop 57
Lebanon, MO
O/A Brotherhood Member
Wah-Sha-She Lodge #42
Ozark Trails Council #306
Eagle Class of 1981

--- In TMTUG@..., "lioncub1956" <rbhix@...> wrote:
>
> I'm running Parallels with WinXP under Leopard.  Still using
Troopmaster ME.  It all installed
> and works fine.  I still use parallels for four old windows
programs.  Wish there was a native
> Mac version through.  
> Richard Hix
> ASM Troop 387
> Roadrunner District
>

[Tim W-2]

Doesn't this still need a WinXP disk? I still think she should try and
get Wine running on a Mac. I've had a few issues (see earlier post
about SMTP problems,) but for the most part it works fine for me on a
Linux/Ubuntu machine.

--- In TMTUG@..., "lioncub1956" <rbhix@...> wrote:
>
> I'm running Parallels with WinXP under Leopard.  Still using
Troopmaster ME.  It all installed
> and works fine.  I still use parallels for four old windows
programs.  Wish there was a native
> Mac version through.  
> Richard Hix
> ASM Troop 387
> Roadrunner District
>

[dajaknowles]

Yep, I still need a WinXP disk.  I'm running Boot Camp and the Beta
Version of Windows and everything works fine, but this is a temporary
solution.  I do have a pre SP2 WinXP that I can use if I buy Parallels
(another cost).

I can't ask the committee to pay for it because the Mac is an add on
since we bought TM totally of my own doing.  I wasn't aware of the
extra $$$$ you have to throw at it to make the switch.

I know just enough to be dangerous regarding installing Wine or any of
those other open source programs.  I'm willing to learn if anyone is
willing to teach me.

Thanks,
Leslie Knowles
Committee Secretary
T170/LRAFB
Jacksonville, AR



--- In TMTUG@..., "Tim Williams" <tjandacw@...> wrote:

>
> Doesn't this still need a WinXP disk? I still think she should try and
> get Wine running on a Mac. I've had a few issues (see earlier post
> about SMTP problems,) but for the most part it works fine for me on a
> Linux/Ubuntu machine.
>
> --- In TMTUG@..., "lioncub1956" <rbhix@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm running Parallels with WinXP under Leopard.  Still using
> Troopmaster ME.  It all installed
> > and works fine.  I still use parallels for four old windows
> programs.  Wish there was a native
> > Mac version through.  
> > Richard Hix
> > ASM Troop 387
> > Roadrunner District
> >
>

[Tim W-2]

Leslie,

I really think you should give Wine a try. It's free, you don't need a
Windows install disk, and if it doesn't work out on a Mac, you can
just uninstall it and you're no worse off. I don't know how much more
I can help that isn't in the FAQ, but I can try. I don't know anything
about Macs though.

In an earlier post on this thread I posted a few links about Wine.
Here are a few more:

# Comments on TM2004 on an older version of Wine (0.9.51). Lots of
Wine bugs have been fixed since then.

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=7757&iTestingId=14655

# Latest AppDB comments on current TM20209, Wine. Mentions bug with
Wine and DotNet.

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=7078

# Installing Wine on a Mac:

http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-5bba8bcc401e4ee1d3b733501f98768a47e661e6

# Wine on Mac FAQ:

http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX/FAQs

--- In TMTUG@..., "dajaknowles" <dajaknowles@...> wrote:

>
> Yep, I still need a WinXP disk.  I'm running Boot Camp and the Beta
> Version of Windows and everything works fine, but this is a temporary
> solution.  I do have a pre SP2 WinXP that I can use if I buy Parallels
> (another cost).
>
> I can't ask the committee to pay for it because the Mac is an add on
> since we bought TM totally of my own doing.  I wasn't aware of the
> extra $$$$ you have to throw at it to make the switch.
>
> I know just enough to be dangerous regarding installing Wine or any of
> those other open source programs.  I'm willing to learn if anyone is
> willing to teach me.
>
> Thanks,
> Leslie Knowles
> Committee Secretary
> T170/LRAFB
> Jacksonville, AR
>

[Tim W-2]

One quick caution, whenever you delve into the unknown, BACKUP YOUR
DATA FIRST.

[dajaknowles]

I read through the FAQ, I have an Intel Mac, so does that mean I can't
use the Wine, but need to try the Darwine?


Thanks

Leslie Knowles

--- In TMTUG@..., "Tim Williams" <tjandacw@...> wrote:

>
> Leslie,
>
> I really think you should give Wine a try. It's free, you don't need a
> Windows install disk, and if it doesn't work out on a Mac, you can
> just uninstall it and you're no worse off. I don't know how much more
> I can help that isn't in the FAQ, but I can try. I don't know anything
> about Macs though.
>
> In an earlier post on this thread I posted a few links about Wine.
> Here are a few more:
>
> # Comments on TM2004 on an older version of Wine (0.9.51). Lots of
> Wine bugs have been fixed since then.
>
>

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=7757&iTestingId=14655

>
> # Latest AppDB comments on current TM20209, Wine. Mentions bug with
> Wine and DotNet.
>
> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=7078
>
> # Installing Wine on a Mac:
>
> http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-5bba8bcc401e4ee1d3b733501f98768a47e661e6
>
> # Wine on Mac FAQ:
>
> http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX/FAQs
>
> --- In TMTUG@..., "dajaknowles" <dajaknowles@> wrote:
> >
> > Yep, I still need a WinXP disk.  I'm running Boot Camp and the Beta
> > Version of Windows and everything works fine, but this is a temporary
> > solution.  I do have a pre SP2 WinXP that I can use if I buy Parallels
> > (another cost).
> >
> > I can't ask the committee to pay for it because the Mac is an add on
> > since we bought TM totally of my own doing.  I wasn't aware of the
> > extra $$$$ you have to throw at it to make the switch.
> >
> > I know just enough to be dangerous regarding installing Wine or any of
> > those other open source programs.  I'm willing to learn if anyone is
> > willing to teach me.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Leslie Knowles
> > Committee Secretary
> > T170/LRAFB
> > Jacksonville, AR
> >
>

[Tim W-2]

I'll email you directly and we can work from there.

--- In TMTUG@..., "dajaknowles" <dajaknowles@...> wrote:
>
> I read through the FAQ, I have an Intel Mac, so does that mean I can't
> use the Wine, but need to try the Darwine?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Leslie Knowles
>

[m_and_them]

Has anyone gotten TM 2009 to run on an Intel Mac without using Bootcamp and Windows?



--- In TMTUG@..., "Tim Williams" <tjandacw@...> wrote:

>
> I'll email you directly and we can work from there.
>
> --- In TMTUG@..., "dajaknowles" <dajaknowles@> wrote:
> >
> > I read through the FAQ, I have an Intel Mac, so does that mean I can't
> > use the Wine, but need to try the Darwine?
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Leslie Knowles
> >
>

[gedmisto-2]

YES,  I use Parallels on my Mac, which allows me to use it
concurrently with mac applications and windows applications
(like Troopmaster). Side by Side.  I can even drag and drop files
between Windows and Mac.
http://www.parallels.com/

Parallels is not free, therefore you could do the same thing
with Virtual Box from Sun Microsystems, which IS free.
http://www.virtualbox.org/

Windows, however, is not free.

The way this works, you have a Mac, running Mac OSX
(Leopard or Snow Leopard)

You install Parallels, or Virtual Box or VMWare Fusion.
Again: Parallels and Fusion are not free, about $80
       Virtual Box is Free


These three install like any other mac application.
Once installed, you start them up and build a virtual
Windows image.

You must have a Windows installation CD/image and the
appropriate Windows license key.

After you install Windows and install all the updates
and patches, you install Troopmaster.

Windows "runs" side by side with your other mac application.

Each virtualization product names it differently, on
Parallels, you use "Concurrent" mode.   This means mac apps and
win apps can be viewed and used at the same time.

I've done this for over two years, not a single glitch or issue.
I used this solution solely because I needed it for Troopmaster.
But since I have a few other favorite Windows only applications
that I run as well, it's nice to have "both worlds".

I think Parallels and Fusion are pretty much equivalent.  I have
tried Fusion for 30 days and saw no reason to switch from Parallels.
I also tried Virtual Box and it worked.  Again, since I had already
invested the $80 for parallels, I didn't switch to free Virtual Box.

Finally, you also need AT LEAST 20GB of free hard space for the
Virtualization software application and the Windows image.  The
more you use it, just like on any Windows system, the larger it
gets with patches, bloatware, etc.   I would allocate 32GB of space.

The nice thing about virtual images, you can clone them as backups.
It's really just a single BIG file on your hard drive.
Then if you install patches or get a virus, you just delete the image
and use your backup image.   I make a backup image right before I
install any updates or patches from Windows Update.

If you do this, make sure your virtual images (Windows) is shutdown
when you do your backups of your mac.

The down side, you need another ~30GB for each back up image.
I store my backup images on an external USB hard drive.  If you
have space, you can keep at least one backup image on your
primary drive.

Good luck and Good Scouting!



--- In TMTUG@..., "m_and_them" <mmatheidas@...> wrote:

>
> Has anyone gotten TM 2009 to run on an Intel Mac without using Bootcamp and Windows?
>
>
>
> --- In TMTUG@..., "Tim Williams" <tjandacw@> wrote:
> >
> > I'll email you directly and we can work from there.
> >
> > --- In TMTUG@..., "dajaknowles" <dajaknowles@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I read through the FAQ, I have an Intel Mac, so does that mean I can't
> > > use the Wine, but need to try the Darwine?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Leslie Knowles
> > >
> >
>

[Thom Holland]

I've been using Sun Virtual Box with Windows 7 RC on my Intel MacBook  
for over 6 months now without a hitch.


-Thom