TeamCity build agent anyone?

[Krzysztof Koźmic]

One side effect of the split of the projects is that we now have a lot
more build configurations than we used to. Given we only have one
Windows build agent, which is hosted on the same machine that TC server,
no wonder the build takes forever.

Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?

Krzysztof

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[G. Richard Bellamy-2]

I can. It would take me a bit to get it setup, but it shouldn't be a problem.

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One side effect of the split of the projects is that we now have a lot
more build configurations than we used to. Given we only have one
Windows build agent, which is hosted on the same machine that TC server,
no wonder the build takes forever.

Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?

Krzysztof




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[James Curran-2]

2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.kozmic@...>:
> Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?

    I "probably" can.   ANyone want to give me a thumbnail sketch of
what's involved?


(What I have available : a couple  24x7 running/web connected  PCs, to
which I can connect a fixed IP/subdomain name)

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    James

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[Krzysztof Koźmic]

Cool,

It's not that difficult actually - you need to download and configure the agent (msi installer) from Castle TC server http://www.castleproject.org:8090/update/agentInstaller.exe , and configure it as outlined here:
http://www.jetbrains.net/confluence/display/TCD4/Setting+up+and+Running+Additional+Build+Agents

Krzysztof

James Curran wrote:

2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic krzysztof.kozmic@...:
  

Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?
    

    I "probably" can.   ANyone want to give me a thumbnail sketch of
what's involved?


(What I have available : a couple  24x7 running/web connected  PCs, to
which I can connect a fixed IP/subdomain name)

  

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[Ken Egozi]

what about codebetter's offer?

2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.kozmic@...>

Cool,

It's not that difficult actually - you need to download and configure the agent (msi installer) from Castle TC server http://www.castleproject.org:8090/update/agentInstaller.exe , and configure it as outlined here:
http://www.jetbrains.net/confluence/display/TCD4/Setting+up+and+Running+Additional+Build+Agents

Krzysztof

James Curran wrote:

2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic krzysztof.kozmic@...:
  

Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?
    

    I "probably" can.   ANyone want to give me a thumbnail sketch of
what's involved?


(What I have available : a couple  24x7 running/web connected  PCs, to
which I can connect a fixed IP/subdomain name)

  

--
Ken Egozi.
http://www.kenegozi.com/blog
http://www.delver.com
http://www.musicglue.com
http://www.castleproject.org
http://www.idcc.co.il - הכנס הקהילתי הראשון למפתחי דוטנט - בואו בהמוניכם

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[Krzysztof Koźmic]

CB is a TC hosting with just 3 agents shared by all projects.
We wouldn't benefit from that, we need more dedicated agents.

Krzysztof

Ken Egozi wrote:

what about codebetter's offer?

2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.kozmic@...>

Cool,

It's not that difficult actually - you need to download and configure the agent (msi installer) from Castle TC server http://www.castleproject.org:8090/update/agentInstaller.exe , and configure it as outlined here:
http://www.jetbrains.net/confluence/display/TCD4/Setting+up+and+Running+Additional+Build+Agents

Krzysztof

James Curran wrote:

2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic krzysztof.kozmic@...:
  

Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?
    

    I "probably" can.   ANyone want to give me a thumbnail sketch of
what's involved?


(What I have available : a couple  24x7 running/web connected  PCs, to
which I can connect a fixed IP/subdomain name)

  

--
Ken Egozi.
http://www.kenegozi.com/blog
http://www.delver.com
http://www.musicglue.com
http://www.castleproject.org
http://www.idcc.co.il - הכנס הקהילתי הראשון למפתחי דוטנט - בואו בהמוניכם

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[John Simons]

I actually think the more the better :)

Our current windows agent doesn't rate very well CPU=99 vs Linux box
CPU=395 - http://www.castleproject.org:8090/agents.html
That may be another reason our builds are slow.

Cheers
John

On Oct 27, 8:17 am, Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>
wrote:

> CB is a TC hosting with just 3 agents shared by all projects.
> We wouldn't benefit from that, we need more dedicated agents.
>
> Krzysztof
>
> Ken Egozi wrote:
> > what about codebetter's offer?
>
> > 2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...
> > <mailto:krzysztof.koz...@...>>
>
> >     Cool,
>
> >     It's not that difficult actually - you need to download and
> >     configure the agent (msi installer) from Castle TC server
> >    http://www.castleproject.org:8090/update/agentInstaller.exe, and
> >     configure it as outlined here:
> >    http://www.jetbrains.net/confluence/display/TCD4/Setting+up+and+Runni...
>
> >     Krzysztof
>
> >     James Curran wrote:
> >>     2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...> <mailto:krzysztof.koz...@...>:
>
> >>>     Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?
>
> >>         I "probably" can.   ANyone want to give me a thumbnail sketch of
> >>     what's involved?
>
> >>     (What I have available : a couple  24x7 running/web connected  PCs, to
> >>     which I can connect a fixed IP/subdomain name)
>
> > --
> > Ken Egozi.
> >http://www.kenegozi.com/blog
> >http://www.delver.com
> >http://www.musicglue.com
> >http://www.castleproject.org
> >http://www.idcc.co.il- הכנס הקהילתי הראשון למפתחי דוטנט - בואו בהמוניכם

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[James Curran-2]

Ok, I'm now getting this:

Registering on server: [name: laotzu, ownAddress: 64.253.48.209, ownPort: 9090,
buildId: <not running build>, availableRunners: [simpleRunner], availableVcs: []
]
Upgrade call received from the build server
Will upgrade when become idle
Registered: id:3, authorizationToken:b5cdf3d291096895320914e007de398e
If this is the first time this agent registered on the server make sure it is au
thorized by administrator in the server web UI.




2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.kozmic@...>:

> Cool,
>
> It's not that difficult actually - you need to download and configure the
> agent (msi installer) from Castle TC server
> http://www.castleproject.org:8090/update/agentInstaller.exe , and configure
> it as outlined here:
> http://www.jetbrains.net/confluence/display/TCD4/Setting+up+and+Running+Additional+Build+Agents
>
> Krzysztof
>
> James Curran wrote:
>
> 2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.kozmic@...>:
>
>
> Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?
>
>
>     I "probably" can.   ANyone want to give me a thumbnail sketch of
> what's involved?
> (What I have available : a couple  24x7 running/web connected  PCs, to
> which I can connect a fixed IP/subdomain name)
>
>
> >
>

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    James

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[John Simons]

I think is now up to a TC administrator to authorise  your agent.
The agent should be displayed under the "Unauthorized agents".
http://www.castleproject.org:8090/agents.html?unauthorized=true

Cheers
John

On Oct 27, 11:36 am, James Curran <james.cur...@...> wrote:

> Ok, I'm now getting this:
>
> Registering on server: [name: laotzu, ownAddress: 64.253.48.209, ownPort: 9090,
> buildId: <not running build>, availableRunners: [simpleRunner], availableVcs: []
> ]
> Upgrade call received from the build server
> Will upgrade when become idle
> Registered: id:3, authorizationToken:b5cdf3d291096895320914e007de398e
> If this is the first time this agent registered on the server make sure it is au
> thorized by administrator in the server web UI.
>
> 2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>:
>
>
>
> > Cool,
>
> > It's not that difficult actually - you need to download and configure the
> > agent (msi installer) from Castle TC server
> >http://www.castleproject.org:8090/update/agentInstaller.exe, and configure
> > it as outlined here:
> >http://www.jetbrains.net/confluence/display/TCD4/Setting+up+and+Runni...
>
> > Krzysztof
>
> > James Curran wrote:
>
> > 2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>:
>
> > Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?
>
> >     I "probably" can.   ANyone want to give me a thumbnail sketch of
> > what's involved?
> > (What I have available : a couple  24x7 running/web connected  PCs, to
> > which I can connect a fixed IP/subdomain name)
>
> --
> Truth,
>     James

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[Henry Conceição]

Authorized, but it seems that we have some config issue, since the
status is Disconnected. Here is what tc is saying about it: Ping
failed, check firewall on agent machine


Cheers,
Henry Conceição



2009/10/26 John Simons <johnsimons007@...>:

>
> I think is now up to a TC administrator to authorise  your agent.
> The agent should be displayed under the "Unauthorized agents".
> http://www.castleproject.org:8090/agents.html?unauthorized=true
>
> Cheers
> John
>
> On Oct 27, 11:36 am, James Curran <james.cur...@...> wrote:
>> Ok, I'm now getting this:
>>
>> Registering on server: [name: laotzu, ownAddress: 64.253.48.209, ownPort: 9090,
>> buildId: <not running build>, availableRunners: [simpleRunner], availableVcs: []
>> ]
>> Upgrade call received from the build server
>> Will upgrade when become idle
>> Registered: id:3, authorizationToken:b5cdf3d291096895320914e007de398e
>> If this is the first time this agent registered on the server make sure it is au
>> thorized by administrator in the server web UI.
>>
>> 2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Cool,
>>
>> > It's not that difficult actually - you need to download and configure the
>> > agent (msi installer) from Castle TC server
>> >http://www.castleproject.org:8090/update/agentInstaller.exe, and configure
>> > it as outlined here:
>> >http://www.jetbrains.net/confluence/display/TCD4/Setting+up+and+Runni...
>>
>> > Krzysztof
>>
>> > James Curran wrote:
>>
>> > 2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>:
>>
>> > Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?
>>
>> >     I "probably" can.   ANyone want to give me a thumbnail sketch of
>> > what's involved?
>> > (What I have available : a couple  24x7 running/web connected  PCs, to
>> > which I can connect a fixed IP/subdomain name)
>>
>> --
>> Truth,
>>     James
> >
>

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[Jonathon Rossi]

Since we have unlimited agent licenses I can set one up too if we want more.

FYI, TeamCity doesn't require a separate machine per build agent, you just install the software (using the zip I think) multiple times and set a different name in the config file.

I think we should name the agents something better, so we easily know who is providing the agent if there is an issue. You don't need to rename the computer, just set the name in the properties config file.

2009/10/27 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.kozmic@...>

One side effect of the split of the projects is that we now have a lot
more build configurations than we used to. Given we only have one
Windows build agent, which is hosted on the same machine that TC server,
no wonder the build takes forever.

Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?

Krzysztof

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[John Simons]

I've also contacted the TeamCity guys to find out if we can use their
agents, they have 3 agents running.

On Oct 27, 2:20 pm, Jonathon Rossi <j...@...> wrote:

> Since we have unlimited agent licenses I can set one up too if we want more.
>
> FYI, TeamCity doesn't require a separate machine per build agent, you just
> install the software (using the zip I think) multiple times and set a
> different name in the config file.
>
> I think we should name the agents something better, so we easily know who is
> providing the agent if there is an issue. You don't need to rename the
> computer, just set the name in the properties config file.
>
> 2009/10/27 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>
>
>
>
> > One side effect of the split of the projects is that we now have a lot
> > more build configurations than we used to. Given we only have one
> > Windows build agent, which is hosted on the same machine that TC server,
> > no wonder the build takes forever.
>
> > Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?
>
> > Krzysztof
>
> --
> Jono

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[John Simons]

I meant to say CodeBetter

On Oct 27, 2:32 pm, John Simons <johnsimons...@...> wrote:

> I've also contacted the TeamCity guys to find out if we can use their
> agents, they have 3 agents running.
>
> On Oct 27, 2:20 pm, Jonathon Rossi <j...@...> wrote:
>
> > Since we have unlimited agent licenses I can set one up too if we want more.
>
> > FYI, TeamCity doesn't require a separate machine per build agent, you just
> > install the software (using the zip I think) multiple times and set a
> > different name in the config file.
>
> > I think we should name the agents something better, so we easily know who is
> > providing the agent if there is an issue. You don't need to rename the
> > computer, just set the name in the properties config file.
>
> > 2009/10/27 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>
>
> > > One side effect of the split of the projects is that we now have a lot
> > > more build configurations than we used to. Given we only have one
> > > Windows build agent, which is hosted on the same machine that TC server,
> > > no wonder the build takes forever.
>
> > > Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?
>
> > > Krzysztof
>
> > --
> > Jono

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[Jonathon Rossi]

That won't work, because an agent can only be connected to one server.

2009/10/27 John Simons <johnsimons007@...>

I meant to say CodeBetter

On Oct 27, 2:32 pm, John Simons <johnsimons...@...> wrote:
> I've also contacted the TeamCity guys to find out if we can use their
> agents, they have 3 agents running.
>
> On Oct 27, 2:20 pm, Jonathon Rossi <j...@...> wrote:
>
> > Since we have unlimited agent licenses I can set one up too if we want more.
>
> > FYI, TeamCity doesn't require a separate machine per build agent, you just
> > install the software (using the zip I think) multiple times and set a
> > different name in the config file.
>
> > I think we should name the agents something better, so we easily know who is
> > providing the agent if there is an issue. You don't need to rename the
> > computer, just set the name in the properties config file.
>
> > 2009/10/27 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>
>
> > > One side effect of the split of the projects is that we now have a lot
> > > more build configurations than we used to. Given we only have one
> > > Windows build agent, which is hosted on the same machine that TC server,
> > > no wonder the build takes forever.
>
> > > Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?
>
> > > Krzysztof
>
> > --
> > Jono

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[John Simons]

That's a bagga!
I didn't know that.

On Oct 27, 3:10 pm, Jonathon Rossi <j...@...> wrote:

> That won't work, because an agent can only be connected to one server.
>
> 2009/10/27 John Simons <johnsimons...@...>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I meant to say CodeBetter
>
> > On Oct 27, 2:32 pm, John Simons <johnsimons...@...> wrote:
> > > I've also contacted the TeamCity guys to find out if we can use their
> > > agents, they have 3 agents running.
>
> > > On Oct 27, 2:20 pm, Jonathon Rossi <j...@...> wrote:
>
> > > > Since we have unlimited agent licenses I can set one up too if we want
> > more.
>
> > > > FYI, TeamCity doesn't require a separate machine per build agent, you
> > just
> > > > install the software (using the zip I think) multiple times and set a
> > > > different name in the config file.
>
> > > > I think we should name the agents something better, so we easily know
> > who is
> > > > providing the agent if there is an issue. You don't need to rename the
> > > > computer, just set the name in the properties config file.
>
> > > > 2009/10/27 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>
>
> > > > > One side effect of the split of the projects is that we now have a
> > lot
> > > > > more build configurations than we used to. Given we only have one
> > > > > Windows build agent, which is hosted on the same machine that TC
> > server,
> > > > > no wonder the build takes forever.
>
> > > > > Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?
>
> > > > > Krzysztof
>
> > > > --
> > > > Jono
>
> --
> Jono

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[Krzysztof Koźmic]

James,

First of all - thanks for setting the agent up.

Secondly, I'm getting the error when running on your agent:
/The SDK for the 'net-3.5' framework is not available or not configured.

/Do you have .NET 3.5 SDK installed on that machine?

Krzysztof

James Curran wrote:

> Ok, I'm now getting this:
>
> Registering on server: [name: laotzu, ownAddress: 64.253.48.209, ownPort: 9090,
> buildId: <not running build>, availableRunners: [simpleRunner], availableVcs: []
> ]
> Upgrade call received from the build server
> Will upgrade when become idle
> Registered: id:3, authorizationToken:b5cdf3d291096895320914e007de398e
> If this is the first time this agent registered on the server make sure it is au
> thorized by administrator in the server web UI.
>
>
>
>
> 2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.kozmic@...>:
>  
>> Cool,
>>
>> It's not that difficult actually - you need to download and configure the
>> agent (msi installer) from Castle TC server
>> http://www.castleproject.org:8090/update/agentInstaller.exe , and configure
>> it as outlined here:
>> http://www.jetbrains.net/confluence/display/TCD4/Setting+up+and+Running+Additional+Build+Agents
>>
>> Krzysztof
>>
>> James Curran wrote:
>>
>> 2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.kozmic@...>:
>>
>>
>> Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?
>>
>>
>>     I "probably" can.   ANyone want to give me a thumbnail sketch of
>> what's involved?
>> (What I have available : a couple  24x7 running/web connected  PCs, to
>> which I can connect a fixed IP/subdomain name)
>>
>>
>>    
>
>
>
>  

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[John Simons]

I think  it would also be beneficial to have a windows mono build
agent, what do you guys think?

On Oct 27, 8:20 pm, Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>
wrote:

> James,
>
> First of all - thanks for setting the agent up.
>
> Secondly, I'm getting the error when running on your agent:
> /The SDK for the 'net-3.5' framework is not available or not configured.
>
> /Do you have .NET 3.5 SDK installed on that machine?
>
> Krzysztof
>
> James Curran wrote:
> > Ok, I'm now getting this:
>
> > Registering on server: [name: laotzu, ownAddress: 64.253.48.209, ownPort: 9090,
> > buildId: <not running build>, availableRunners: [simpleRunner], availableVcs: []
> > ]
> > Upgrade call received from the build server
> > Will upgrade when become idle
> > Registered: id:3, authorizationToken:b5cdf3d291096895320914e007de398e
> > If this is the first time this agent registered on the server make sure it is au
> > thorized by administrator in the server web UI.
>
> > 2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>:
>
> >> Cool,
>
> >> It's not that difficult actually - you need to download and configure the
> >> agent (msi installer) from Castle TC server
> >>http://www.castleproject.org:8090/update/agentInstaller.exe, and configure
> >> it as outlined here:
> >>http://www.jetbrains.net/confluence/display/TCD4/Setting+up+and+Runni...
>
> >> Krzysztof
>
> >> James Curran wrote:
>
> >> 2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>:
>
> >> Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?
>
> >>     I "probably" can.   ANyone want to give me a thumbnail sketch of
> >> what's involved?
> >> (What I have available : a couple  24x7 running/web connected  PCs, to
> >> which I can connect a fixed IP/subdomain name)

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[Krzysztof Koźmic]

Sure it would be beneficial.

Anyone interested in hosting it?

John Simons wrote:

> I think  it would also be beneficial to have a windows mono build
> agent, what do you guys think?
>
> On Oct 27, 8:20 pm, Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>
> wrote:
>  
>> James,
>>
>> First of all - thanks for setting the agent up.
>>
>> Secondly, I'm getting the error when running on your agent:
>> /The SDK for the 'net-3.5' framework is not available or not configured.
>>
>> /Do you have .NET 3.5 SDK installed on that machine?
>>
>> Krzysztof
>>
>> James Curran wrote:
>>    
>>> Ok, I'm now getting this:
>>>      
>>> Registering on server: [name: laotzu, ownAddress: 64.253.48.209, ownPort: 9090,
>>> buildId: <not running build>, availableRunners: [simpleRunner], availableVcs: []
>>> ]
>>> Upgrade call received from the build server
>>> Will upgrade when become idle
>>> Registered: id:3, authorizationToken:b5cdf3d291096895320914e007de398e
>>> If this is the first time this agent registered on the server make sure it is au
>>> thorized by administrator in the server web UI.
>>>      
>>> 2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>:
>>>      
>>>> Cool,
>>>>        
>>>> It's not that difficult actually - you need to download and configure the
>>>> agent (msi installer) from Castle TC server
>>>> http://www.castleproject.org:8090/update/agentInstaller.exe, and configure
>>>> it as outlined here:
>>>> http://www.jetbrains.net/confluence/display/TCD4/Setting+up+and+Runni...
>>>>        
>>>> Krzysztof
>>>>        
>>>> James Curran wrote:
>>>>        
>>>> 2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>:
>>>>        
>>>> Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?
>>>>        
>>>>     I "probably" can.   ANyone want to give me a thumbnail sketch of
>>>> what's involved?
>>>> (What I have available : a couple  24x7 running/web connected  PCs, to
>>>> which I can connect a fixed IP/subdomain name)
>>>>        
> >
>  

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[Jonathon Rossi]

Does anyone deploy using mono on Windows? Wouldn't this mean we'd need another set of build configurations for every project?

2009/10/27 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.kozmic@...>

Sure it would be beneficial.

Anyone interested in hosting it?

John Simons wrote:
> I think  it would also be beneficial to have a windows mono build
> agent, what do you guys think?
>
> On Oct 27, 8:20 pm, Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>
> wrote:
>
>> James,
>>
>> First of all - thanks for setting the agent up.
>>
>> Secondly, I'm getting the error when running on your agent:
>> /The SDK for the 'net-3.5' framework is not available or not configured.
>>
>> /Do you have .NET 3.5 SDK installed on that machine?
>>
>> Krzysztof
>>
>> James Curran wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, I'm now getting this:
>>>
>>> Registering on server: [name: laotzu, ownAddress: 64.253.48.209, ownPort: 9090,
>>> buildId: <not running build>, availableRunners: [simpleRunner], availableVcs: []
>>> ]
>>> Upgrade call received from the build server
>>> Will upgrade when become idle
>>> Registered: id:3, authorizationToken:b5cdf3d291096895320914e007de398e
>>> If this is the first time this agent registered on the server make sure it is au
>>> thorized by administrator in the server web UI.
>>>
>>> 2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>:
>>>
>>>> Cool,
>>>>
>>>> It's not that difficult actually - you need to download and configure the
>>>> agent (msi installer) from Castle TC server
>>>> http://www.castleproject.org:8090/update/agentInstaller.exe, and configure
>>>> it as outlined here:
>>>> http://www.jetbrains.net/confluence/display/TCD4/Setting+up+and+Runni...
>>>>
>>>> Krzysztof
>>>>
>>>> James Curran wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 2009/10/26 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@...>:
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone host an additional build agent to speed things up?
>>>>
>>>>     I "probably" can.   ANyone want to give me a thumbnail sketch of
>>>> what's involved?
>>>> (What I have available : a couple  24x7 running/web connected  PCs, to
>>>> which I can connect a fixed IP/subdomain name)
>>>>
> >
>

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Jono

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[James Curran-2]

Apparently not (I didn't have vs2008 on that machine --- I had .net
v3.5, and thought that would be enough)
The SDK is loading now, but probably won't finish until after I leave
for work, so it may not be fully configured until I get home)

2009/10/27 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.kozmic@...>:

>
> /Do you have .NET 3.5 SDK installed on that machine?

--
Truth,
    James

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