Telecon Agenda - 29 October 2009 *1500* UTC, though note that's a change for Europeans with daylight savings

[Ben Adida-2]

Hi folks,

I believe Europe has changed to daylights savings, so hopefully if we
keep things at 1500 UTC, that won't be too much of a problem.

-Ben


==========
Thursday, October 29th 2009
1500 UTC, W3C Zakim bridge
tel:[phone] conference code RDFA
irc://irc.w3.org:6665/#rdfa
Duration: 60 minutes
Scribe: Zakim, pick a victim
==========

Agenda:

1) Action Items
http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary

2) RDFa WG Charter
http://rdfa.info/wiki/Rdfa-wg-charter

brief discussion of points to add

3) Test Cases -- relegated to the mailing list, so we can focus on (4).
PLEASE participate in mailing list discussion of these.

4) RDFa 1.1 issues: where do we stand, should we start prototyping?
(brief high-level discussion of where we each lean and what our options
are.)

   a) @typeof=""

   b) URIs everywhere

   c) profile/vocab discussion

   d) DOM API

[Ivan Herman-2]

Regrets, I am at ISWC...

Manu, I hope to be on the net to handle the minutes, but I do not know
in advance...

Few quick notes on reading the charter...

- we will still decide, internally, whether the staff contact is Steven
or I. As it is a SW activity group, the latter is more probable:-). But
I doubt whether the 25% is accurate. I would propose to leave that part
as a T.B.D. for now

- I would not refer, in the scope, to the extensibility proposal of MS.
I also doubt that the HTML5 group would want to take HTML4 separately.
Let us just have a reference to HTML5 and XHTML5, and leave it at that...

- the 'advice other languages', I think should be a bit stronger than
that. It is on specifying the RDFa attribute set and the processing
rules on XML dialects in general. SVG and ODF as example is fine,
although SVG is done, so there is nothing to advice there any more...

B.t.w., MediaRSS should also be referred to

I also believe that this topic should be within the deliverables

- this is a purely formal thing on which we _may_ get raised eyebrows:
as rdfa.info is _not_ a W3C page, people may not be absolutely happy to
use membership funding,  so to say, on maintaining a non-w3c information
page. (I am very open with you guys: I would have preferred to have the
RDFa wiki page under the W3C domain, just as we did or will set up
similar wiki sites for all SW technologies under W3C branding...)

That is it for now...

Cheers

Ivan

Ben Adida wrote:

>
> Hi folks,
>
> I believe Europe has changed to daylights savings, so hopefully if we
> keep things at 1500 UTC, that won't be too much of a problem.
>
> -Ben
>
>
> ==========
> Thursday, October 29th 2009
> 1500 UTC, W3C Zakim bridge
> tel:[phone] conference code RDFA
> irc://irc.w3.org:6665/#rdfa
> Duration: 60 minutes
> Scribe: Zakim, pick a victim
> ==========
>
> Agenda:
>
> 1) Action Items
> http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary
>
> 2) RDFa WG Charter
> http://rdfa.info/wiki/Rdfa-wg-charter
>
> brief discussion of points to add
>
> 3) Test Cases -- relegated to the mailing list, so we can focus on (4).
> PLEASE participate in mailing list discussion of these.
>
> 4) RDFa 1.1 issues: where do we stand, should we start prototyping?
> (brief high-level discussion of where we each lean and what our options
> are.)
>
>   a) @typeof=""
>
>   b) URIs everywhere
>
>   c) profile/vocab discussion
>
>   d) DOM API
>

--

Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
mobile: [phone]
PGP Key: http://www.ivan-herman.net/pgpkey.html
FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf

[Mark Birbeck-4]

Hi Ben,

I was still thinking that the call was at 4pm, so I'm afraid I have
double-booked; it's school half-term here, so at 3pm we'll have just
finished watching 'Up' in the cinema.

One small thing, on your point 4: I agree we should start prototyping,
but also I've been trying to think of a simple 'switch' that allows
authors to indicate that they are making use of some prototype. Maybe
it's as simple as @version with some agreed values -- perhaps we
simply agree a token to represent some 'idea in progress', and the
presence of that token in @version means that a parser can use this
additional functionality.

And on 4.b, if you get to discussing it -- my proposal before was that
we should slightly modify the definition of a CURIE such that it's
based not just on the syntax (i.e., "x:y") but also on the presence of
a prefix mapping. In short, if there is no mapping of "x" then *by
definition* "x:y" is not a CURIE.

Whether it then becomes a URI is down to the containing environment --
all I'm suggesting in this first step is that we prevent the CURIE
syntax from swallowing the string. It's nothing more than acting as if
a function isCurie( s ) returns false for "x:y" if "x" was not
defined.

I don't doubt there are problems with this (I think Toby raised some,
but apologies if it was someone else -- I don't have time to go back
and check), but I thought I'd mention it, because I won't be on the
call.

Regards,

Mark



On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Ben Adida <ben@...> wrote:

>
> Hi folks,
>
> I believe Europe has changed to daylights savings, so hopefully if we keep
> things at 1500 UTC, that won't be too much of a problem.
>
> -Ben
>
>
> ==========
> Thursday, October 29th 2009
> 1500 UTC, W3C Zakim bridge
> tel:[phone] conference code RDFA
> irc://irc.w3.org:6665/#rdfa
> Duration: 60 minutes
> Scribe: Zakim, pick a victim
> ==========
>
> Agenda:
>
> 1) Action Items
> http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary
>
> 2) RDFa WG Charter
> http://rdfa.info/wiki/Rdfa-wg-charter
>
> brief discussion of points to add
>
> 3) Test Cases -- relegated to the mailing list, so we can focus on (4).
> PLEASE participate in mailing list discussion of these.
>
> 4) RDFa 1.1 issues: where do we stand, should we start prototyping?
> (brief high-level discussion of where we each lean and what our options
> are.)
>
>  a) @typeof=""
>
>  b) URIs everywhere
>
>  c) profile/vocab discussion
>
>  d) DOM API
>
>