Text rendering with FOP

[fopit]

Hello there

First of all, as english is not my natural tongue, i beg you to excuse faults or nonsense that would eventually come.

I'm using FOP to create PDF from XML. Nothing particular, and it works great.
But I also want to use it - and the same XSL-FO - to create a text from the XML, a simple viewer of the PDF for final users, and there, problems begin : it's like having a very size-limited buffer, only the beginning of my text is render.

I read here and there that fop wasn't the best thing to do text-rendering, but, really, I just want a viewer, nothing complicate or fancy.

So, I wonder, why do fop render me only the beginning of my text, and is there anything to do to change that?

Thanks

[Georg Datterl]

Hello fopit,

I'm not sure I understand what you want. Let me rephrase and tell me, if I'm correct:

* You have an XML file and a XSL file and generate PDFs.
* You want to generate a PDF, where only the first few lines of a text are displayed
* You want to use the same XML file and the same XSL file

If that is correct, you can reuse your XML file, but need a slightly different transformation in which the text is shortend. That's not correct xsl code, but in place of <fo:block>$variable_holding_long_text</fo:block> you would need a <fo:block>substring($variable_holding_long_text, 1, $variable_holding_number_of_characters_to_display</fo:block>

Regards,
 
Georg Datterl
 
------ Kontakt ------
 
Georg Datterl
 
Geneon media solutions gmbh
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90449 Nürnberg
 
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Tel.: [phone] - 26
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Hello there

First of all, as english is not my natural tongue, i beg you to excuse faults or nonsense that would eventually come.

I'm using FOP to create PDF from XML. Nothing particular, and it works great.
But I also want to use it - and the same XSL-FO - to create a text from the XML, a simple viewer of the PDF for final users, and there, problems begin :
it's like having a very size-limited buffer, only the beginning of my text is render.

I read here and there that fop wasn't the best thing to do text-rendering, but, really, I just want a viewer, nothing complicate or fancy.

So, I wonder, why do fop render me only the beginning of my text, and is there anything to do to change that?

Thanks
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[fopit]

Hello Georg, and thank you for answering,

In fact, that's not exactly what I want.
I explain :
I have indeed an XML file, and an XSL file, that create an FO file, which I use to create a PDF, with FOP. Without any problem.

But I want to use the same XSL file, and so, the same FO file, to create a plain-text document, that will be a kind of a viewer of the PDF for the user.
And using FOP is not a success, for I only have what correspond to the beginning of my PDF.

To resume, I want, from the same XSL, to have a PDF and a plain-text documents, where the plain-text is not as "beautiful" as the pdf. I successly create the pdf, but, in the text-version, I only have the beginning of it.

Is it clearer?
Thanks

Georg Datterl wrote:

Hello fopit,

I'm not sure I understand what you want. Let me rephrase and tell me, if I'm correct:

* You have an XML file and a XSL file and generate PDFs.
* You want to generate a PDF, where only the first few lines of a text are displayed
* You want to use the same XML file and the same XSL file

If that is correct, you can reuse your XML file, but need a slightly different transformation in which the text is shortend. That's not correct xsl code, but in place of <fo:block>$variable_holding_long_text</fo:block> you would need a <fo:block>substring($variable_holding_long_text, 1, $variable_holding_number_of_characters_to_display</fo:block>

Regards,
 
Georg Datterl
 
------ Kontakt ------
 
Georg Datterl
 
Geneon media solutions gmbh
Gutenstetter Straße 8a
90449 Nürnberg
 
HRB Nürnberg: 17193
Geschäftsführer: Yong-Harry Steiert

Tel.: [phone] - 26
Fax: [phone] - 20
 
www.geneon.de
 
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IRS Integrated Realization Services GmbH:    www.irs-nbg.de
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Betreff: Text rendering with FOP


Hello there

First of all, as english is not my natural tongue, i beg you to excuse faults or nonsense that would eventually come.

I'm using FOP to create PDF from XML. Nothing particular, and it works great.
But I also want to use it - and the same XSL-FO - to create a text from the XML, a simple viewer of the PDF for final users, and there, problems begin :
it's like having a very size-limited buffer, only the beginning of my text is render.

I read here and there that fop wasn't the best thing to do text-rendering, but, really, I just want a viewer, nothing complicate or fancy.

So, I wonder, why do fop render me only the beginning of my text, and is there anything to do to change that?

Thanks
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[Georg Datterl]

Hi fopit,

I see. Instead of rendering a pdf you want a text file. Or RTF? I think, I read something lately about discontinuing the rtf functionality because nobody uses it, but I leave the topic to the experts, since I only render to pdf. Maybe you could post a shortened fo file and the text file so the experts can actually see what's wrong.

Regards,
 
Georg Datterl
 
------ Kontakt ------
 
Georg Datterl
 
Geneon media solutions gmbh
Gutenstetter Straße 8a
90449 Nürnberg
 
HRB Nürnberg: 17193
Geschäftsführer: Yong-Harry Steiert

Tel.: [phone] - 26
Fax: [phone] - 20
 
www.geneon.de
 
Weitere Mitglieder der Willmy MediaGroup:
 
IRS Integrated Realization Services GmbH:    www.irs-nbg.de
Willmy PrintMedia GmbH:                            www.willmy.de
Willmy Consult & Content GmbH:                 www.willmycc.de
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Von: fopit [mailto:lemailinconnu@...]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. September 2009 16:53
An: fop-users@...
Betreff: Re: AW: Text rendering with FOP


Hello Georg, and thank you for answering,

In fact, that's not exactly what I want.
I explain :
I have indeed an XML file, and an XSL file, that create an FO file, which I use to create a PDF, with FOP. Without any problem.

But I want to use the same XSL file, and so, the same FO file, to create a plain-text document, that will be a kind of a viewer of the PDF for the user.
And using FOP is not a success, for I only have what correspond to the beginning of my PDF.

To resume, I want, from the same XSL, to have a PDF and a plain-text documents, where the plain-text is not as "beautiful" as the pdf. I successly create the pdf, but, in the text-version, I only have the beginning of it.

Is it clearer?
Thanks


Georg Datterl wrote:

>
> Hello fopit,
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you want. Let me rephrase and tell me,
> if I'm correct:
>
> * You have an XML file and a XSL file and generate PDFs.
> * You want to generate a PDF, where only the first few lines of a text
> are displayed
> * You want to use the same XML file and the same XSL file
>
> If that is correct, you can reuse your XML file, but need a slightly
> different transformation in which the text is shortend. That's not
> correct xsl code, but in place of
> <fo:block>$variable_holding_long_text</fo:block>
> you would need a <fo:block>substring($variable_holding_long_text, 1,
> $variable_holding_number_of_characters_to_display</fo:block>
>
> Regards,
>  
> Georg Datterl
>  
> ------ Kontakt ------
>  
> Georg Datterl
>  
> Geneon media solutions gmbh
> Gutenstetter Straße 8a
> 90449 Nürnberg
>  
> HRB Nürnberg: 17193
> Geschäftsführer: Yong-Harry Steiert
>
> Tel.: [phone] - 26
> Fax: [phone] - 20
>  
> www.geneon.de
>  
> Weitere Mitglieder der Willmy MediaGroup:
>  
> IRS Integrated Realization Services GmbH:    www.irs-nbg.de
> Willmy PrintMedia GmbH:                            www.willmy.de
> Willmy Consult & Content GmbH:                 www.willmycc.de
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fopit [mailto:lemailinconnu@...]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. September 2009 16:03
> An: fop-users@...
> Betreff: Text rendering with FOP
>
>
> Hello there
>
> First of all, as english is not my natural tongue, i beg you to excuse
> faults or nonsense that would eventually come.
>
> I'm using FOP to create PDF from XML. Nothing particular, and it works
> great.
> But I also want to use it - and the same XSL-FO - to create a text
> from the XML, a simple viewer of the PDF for final users, and there,
> problems begin :
> it's like having a very size-limited buffer, only the beginning of my
> text is render.
>
> I read here and there that fop wasn't the best thing to do
> text-rendering, but, really, I just want a viewer, nothing complicate or fancy.
>
> So, I wonder, why do fop render me only the beginning of my text, and
> is there anything to do to change that?
>
> Thanks
> --
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[fopit]

No, really, plain-text file.

You're right, I should have done it before.
So, here's a part of the code, in fact, the first part of it :


<xsl:import href="include/ds-documents-util.xslt" />
<xsl:import href="../../../etc/reports-xsl/css-xslt/ds-documents-bin-css.xslt" />
<xsl:output method="xml" indent="yes"/>
  <xsl:template match="/">
    <xsl:apply-templates/>
  </xsl:template>
  <xsl:template match="document">
    <xsl:variable name="uri" select="concat($parameter,'_',@number,'.fo')"/>
      <exsl:document href="{$adressfo}/{$uri}" method="xml">
        <fo:root>
          <fo:layout-master-set>
            <fo:simple-page-master master-name="page" margin="2cm" xsl:use-attribute-sets="height" >
              <fo:region-body margin="7cm 0 1.5cm 0" />
              <fo:region-before extent="7cm" />
              <fo:region-after precedence="true" extent="1cm" />
            </fo:simple-page-master>
          </fo:layout-master-set>
          <fo:page-sequence master-reference="page" line-height="1.5em">
            <fo:static-content flow-name="xsl-region-before">
              <fo:table width="100%" table-layout="fixed">
                <fo:table-column column-width="70%" />
                <fo:table-column column-width="30%" />
                  <fo:table-body>
                    <fo:table-row>
                      <fo:table-cell number-columns-spanned="2">
                        <fo:block xsl:use-attribute-sets="imageWhere fontEnTete">
                          <fo:external-graphic src="{$logo}" xsl:use-attribute-sets="imageSize"/>
                        </fo:block>
                      </fo:table-cell>
                        </fo:table-row>
                            [..]
                    </fo:table-body>
                  </fo:table>
                </fo:static-content>
              <fo:static-content flow-name="xsl-region-after">
                                                [another table with a apply-templates]
              </fo:static-content>
              <fo:flow flow-name="xsl-region-body">
                <fo:block>
                   <xsl:call-template name="entete"/>
                </fo:block>
                       [some other calls the same way]
              </fo:flow>
           </fo:page-sequence>
        </fo:root>
      </exsl:document>
</xsl:template>

And, there, are the templates, matches and names.
I think this are quite classical, in fact.

So, thank you for yours answers, Georg


Regards

Georg Datterl wrote:

Hi fopit,

I see. Instead of rendering a pdf you want a text file. Or RTF? I think, I read something lately about discontinuing the rtf functionality because nobody uses it, but I leave the topic to the experts, since I only render to pdf. Maybe you could post a shortened fo file and the text file so the experts can actually see what's wrong.

Regards,
 
Georg Datterl
 
------ Kontakt ------
 
Georg Datterl
 
Geneon media solutions gmbh
Gutenstetter Straße 8a
90449 Nürnberg
 
HRB Nürnberg: 17193
Geschäftsführer: Yong-Harry Steiert

Tel.: [phone] - 26
Fax: [phone] - 20
 
www.geneon.de
 
Weitere Mitglieder der Willmy MediaGroup:
 
IRS Integrated Realization Services GmbH:    www.irs-nbg.de
Willmy PrintMedia GmbH:                            www.willmy.de
Willmy Consult & Content GmbH:                 www.willmycc.de
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fopit [mailto:[e-mail]]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. September 2009 16:53
An: [e-mail]
Betreff: Re: AW: Text rendering with FOP


Hello Georg, and thank you for answering,

In fact, that's not exactly what I want.
I explain :
I have indeed an XML file, and an XSL file, that create an FO file, which I use to create a PDF, with FOP. Without any problem.

But I want to use the same XSL file, and so, the same FO file, to create a plain-text document, that will be a kind of a viewer of the PDF for the user.
And using FOP is not a success, for I only have what correspond to the beginning of my PDF.

To resume, I want, from the same XSL, to have a PDF and a plain-text documents, where the plain-text is not as "beautiful" as the pdf. I successly create the pdf, but, in the text-version, I only have the beginning of it.

Is it clearer?
Thanks


Georg Datterl wrote:
>
> Hello fopit,
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you want. Let me rephrase and tell me,
> if I'm correct:
>
> * You have an XML file and a XSL file and generate PDFs.
> * You want to generate a PDF, where only the first few lines of a text
> are displayed
> * You want to use the same XML file and the same XSL file
>
> If that is correct, you can reuse your XML file, but need a slightly
> different transformation in which the text is shortend. That's not
> correct xsl code, but in place of
> <fo:block>$variable_holding_long_text</fo:block>
> you would need a <fo:block>substring($variable_holding_long_text, 1,
> $variable_holding_number_of_characters_to_display</fo:block>
>
> Regards,
>  
> Georg Datterl
>  
> ------ Kontakt ------
>  
> Georg Datterl
>  
> Geneon media solutions gmbh
> Gutenstetter Straße 8a
> 90449 Nürnberg
>  
> HRB Nürnberg: 17193
> Geschäftsführer: Yong-Harry Steiert
>
> Tel.: [phone] - 26
> Fax: [phone] - 20
>  
> www.geneon.de
>  
> Weitere Mitglieder der Willmy MediaGroup:
>  
> IRS Integrated Realization Services GmbH:    www.irs-nbg.de
> Willmy PrintMedia GmbH:                            www.willmy.de
> Willmy Consult & Content GmbH:                 www.willmycc.de
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fopit [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. September 2009 16:03
> An: [e-mail]
> Betreff: Text rendering with FOP
>
>
> Hello there
>
> First of all, as english is not my natural tongue, i beg you to excuse
> faults or nonsense that would eventually come.
>
> I'm using FOP to create PDF from XML. Nothing particular, and it works
> great.
> But I also want to use it - and the same XSL-FO - to create a text
> from the XML, a simple viewer of the PDF for final users, and there,
> problems begin :
> it's like having a very size-limited buffer, only the beginning of my
> text is render.
>
> I read here and there that fop wasn't the best thing to do
> text-rendering, but, really, I just want a viewer, nothing complicate or fancy.
>
> So, I wonder, why do fop render me only the beginning of my text, and
> is there anything to do to change that?
>
> Thanks
> --
> View this message in context:
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> Sent from the FOP - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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[Vincent Hennebert-2]

Hi,

I think the way to go about that is to use a PDF post-processor that
would convert the PDF into plain text.

Checkout the pdftotext utility commonly found on Linux-based systems
(formerly developped within Xpdf [1], now taken over by Poppler [2]).

[1] http://www.foolabs.com/xpdf/download.html
[2] http://poppler.freedesktop.org/

Otherwise, typing “pdf to text” in your favourite web search engine
should give you plenty of results.

HTH,
Vincent


fopit wrote:

> No, really, plain-text file.
>
> You're right, I should have done it before.
> So, here's a part of the code, in fact, the first part of it :
>
>
> <xsl:import href="include/ds-documents-util.xslt" />
> <xsl:import
> href="../../../etc/reports-xsl/css-xslt/ds-documents-bin-css.xslt" />
> <xsl:output method="xml" indent="yes"/>
>   <xsl:template match="/">
>     <xsl:apply-templates/>
>   </xsl:template>
>   <xsl:template match="document">
>     <xsl:variable name="uri" select="concat($parameter,'_',@number,'.fo')"/>
>       <exsl:document href="{$adressfo}/{$uri}" method="xml">
> <fo:root>
>  <fo:layout-master-set>
>    <fo:simple-page-master master-name="page" margin="2cm"
> xsl:use-attribute-sets="height" >
>      <fo:region-body margin="7cm 0 1.5cm 0" />
>      <fo:region-before extent="7cm" />
>      <fo:region-after precedence="true" extent="1cm" />
>    </fo:simple-page-master>
>  </fo:layout-master-set>
>  <fo:page-sequence master-reference="page" line-height="1.5em">
>    <fo:static-content flow-name="xsl-region-before">
>      <fo:table width="100%" table-layout="fixed">
>        <fo:table-column column-width="70%" />
> <fo:table-column column-width="30%" />
>  <fo:table-body>
>    <fo:table-row>
>      <fo:table-cell number-columns-spanned="2">
> <fo:block xsl:use-attribute-sets="imageWhere fontEnTete">
>  <fo:external-graphic src="{$logo}" xsl:use-attribute-sets="imageSize"/>
> </fo:block>
>      </fo:table-cell>
> </fo:table-row>
>     [..]
>    </fo:table-body>
>  </fo:table>
> </fo:static-content>
>      <fo:static-content flow-name="xsl-region-after">
> [another table with a apply-templates]
>      </fo:static-content>
>      <fo:flow flow-name="xsl-region-body">
> <fo:block>
>   <xsl:call-template name="entete"/>
> </fo:block>
>                        [some other calls the same way]
>      </fo:flow>
>   </fo:page-sequence>
> </fo:root>
>       </exsl:document>
> </xsl:template>
>
> And, there, are the templates, matches and names.
> I think this are quite classical, in fact.
>
> So, thank you for yours answers, Georg
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Georg Datterl wrote:
>> Hi fopit,
>>
>> I see. Instead of rendering a pdf you want a text file. Or RTF? I think, I
>> read something lately about discontinuing the rtf functionality because
>> nobody uses it, but I leave the topic to the experts, since I only render
>> to pdf. Maybe you could post a shortened fo file and the text file so the
>> experts can actually see what's wrong.
>>
>> Regards,
>>  
>> Georg Datterl
>>  
>> ------ Kontakt ------
>>  
>> Georg Datterl
>>  
>> Geneon media solutions gmbh
>> Gutenstetter Straße 8a
>> 90449 Nürnberg
>>  
>> HRB Nürnberg: 17193
>> Geschäftsführer: Yong-Harry Steiert
>>
>> Tel.: [phone] - 26
>> Fax: [phone] - 20
>>  
>> www.geneon.de
>>  
>> Weitere Mitglieder der Willmy MediaGroup:
>>  
>> IRS Integrated Realization Services GmbH:    www.irs-nbg.de
>> Willmy PrintMedia GmbH:                            www.willmy.de
>> Willmy Consult & Content GmbH:                 www.willmycc.de
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: fopit [mailto:lemailinconnu@...]
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. September 2009 16:53
>> An: fop-users@...
>> Betreff: Re: AW: Text rendering with FOP
>>
>>
>> Hello Georg, and thank you for answering,
>>
>> In fact, that's not exactly what I want.
>> I explain :
>> I have indeed an XML file, and an XSL file, that create an FO file, which
>> I use to create a PDF, with FOP. Without any problem.
>>
>> But I want to use the same XSL file, and so, the same FO file, to create a
>> plain-text document, that will be a kind of a viewer of the PDF for the
>> user.
>> And using FOP is not a success, for I only have what correspond to the
>> beginning of my PDF.
>>
>> To resume, I want, from the same XSL, to have a PDF and a plain-text
>> documents, where the plain-text is not as "beautiful" as the pdf. I
>> successly create the pdf, but, in the text-version, I only have the
>> beginning of it.
>>
>> Is it clearer?
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Georg Datterl wrote:
>>> Hello fopit,
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I understand what you want. Let me rephrase and tell me,
>>> if I'm correct:
>>>
>>> * You have an XML file and a XSL file and generate PDFs.
>>> * You want to generate a PDF, where only the first few lines of a text
>>> are displayed
>>> * You want to use the same XML file and the same XSL file
>>>
>>> If that is correct, you can reuse your XML file, but need a slightly
>>> different transformation in which the text is shortend. That's not
>>> correct xsl code, but in place of
>>> <fo:block>$variable_holding_long_text</fo:block>
>>> you would need a <fo:block>substring($variable_holding_long_text, 1,
>>> $variable_holding_number_of_characters_to_display</fo:block>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>  
>>> Georg Datterl
>>>  
>>> ------ Kontakt ------
>>>  
>>> Georg Datterl
>>>  
>>> Geneon media solutions gmbh
>>> Gutenstetter Straße 8a
>>> 90449 Nürnberg
>>>  
>>> HRB Nürnberg: 17193
>>> Geschäftsführer: Yong-Harry Steiert
>>>
>>> Tel.: [phone] - 26
>>> Fax: [phone] - 20
>>>  
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>>>  
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>>>  
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>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: fopit [mailto:lemailinconnu@...]
>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. September 2009 16:03
>>> An: fop-users@...
>>> Betreff: Text rendering with FOP
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello there
>>>
>>> First of all, as english is not my natural tongue, i beg you to excuse
>>> faults or nonsense that would eventually come.
>>>
>>> I'm using FOP to create PDF from XML. Nothing particular, and it works
>>> great.
>>> But I also want to use it - and the same XSL-FO - to create a text
>>> from the XML, a simple viewer of the PDF for final users, and there,
>>> problems begin :
>>> it's like having a very size-limited buffer, only the beginning of my
>>> text is render.
>>>
>>> I read here and there that fop wasn't the best thing to do
>>> text-rendering, but, really, I just want a viewer, nothing complicate or
>>> fancy.
>>>
>>> So, I wonder, why do fop render me only the beginning of my text, and
>>> is there anything to do to change that?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://www.nabble.com/Text-rendering-with-FOP-tp25681687p25681687.html
>>> Sent from the FOP - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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[Jeremias Maerki-2]

I think this is about FOP's text renderer, not RTF. I don't think it's
easily possible to use the same stylesheet for PDF and text output, as
the text output is quite restricted in what it can do, first because
text output has a much reduced resolution and it has to find the best
possible way to map characters to a text position in the output. That's
why the following page contains some hints what to do to improve the
chances of getting good text output:
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/output.html#txt

Georg, RTF doesn't have no users. Actually, a surprisingly large number
of people use it. The thing is: it's not well maintained and there are
severe restrictions concerning what can be mapped from XSL-FO to RTF.
But that's not the same as "discontinuing RTF functionality". It's still
available and will remain so for now (with the current restrictions).

On 30.09.2009 16:58:16 Georg Datterl wrote:

> Hi fopit,
>
> I see. Instead of rendering a pdf you want a text file. Or RTF? I think,
> I read something lately about discontinuing the rtf functionality
> because nobody uses it, but I leave the topic to the experts, since I
> only render to pdf. Maybe you could post a shortened fo file and the
> text file so the experts can actually see what's wrong.
>
> Regards,
>  
> Georg Datterl
>  
> ------ Kontakt ------
>  
> Georg Datterl
>  
> Geneon media solutions gmbh
> Gutenstetter Straße 8a
> 90449 Nürnberg
>  
> HRB Nürnberg: 17193
> Geschäftsführer: Yong-Harry Steiert
>
> Tel.: [phone] - 26
> Fax: [phone] - 20
>  
> www.geneon.de
>  
> Weitere Mitglieder der Willmy MediaGroup:
>  
> IRS Integrated Realization Services GmbH:    www.irs-nbg.de
> Willmy PrintMedia GmbH:                            www.willmy.de
> Willmy Consult & Content GmbH:                 www.willmycc.de
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fopit [mailto:lemailinconnu@...]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. September 2009 16:53
> An: fop-users@...
> Betreff: Re: AW: Text rendering with FOP
>
>
> Hello Georg, and thank you for answering,
>
> In fact, that's not exactly what I want.
> I explain :
> I have indeed an XML file, and an XSL file, that create an FO file, which I use to create a PDF, with FOP. Without any problem.
>
> But I want to use the same XSL file, and so, the same FO file, to create a plain-text document, that will be a kind of a viewer of the PDF for the user.
> And using FOP is not a success, for I only have what correspond to the beginning of my PDF.
>
> To resume, I want, from the same XSL, to have a PDF and a plain-text documents, where the plain-text is not as "beautiful" as the pdf. I successly create the pdf, but, in the text-version, I only have the beginning of it.
>
> Is it clearer?
> Thanks
>
>
> Georg Datterl wrote:
> >
> > Hello fopit,
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand what you want. Let me rephrase and tell me,
> > if I'm correct:
> >
> > * You have an XML file and a XSL file and generate PDFs.
> > * You want to generate a PDF, where only the first few lines of a text
> > are displayed
> > * You want to use the same XML file and the same XSL file
> >
> > If that is correct, you can reuse your XML file, but need a slightly
> > different transformation in which the text is shortend. That's not
> > correct xsl code, but in place of
> > <fo:block>$variable_holding_long_text</fo:block>
> > you would need a <fo:block>substring($variable_holding_long_text, 1,
> > $variable_holding_number_of_characters_to_display</fo:block>
> >
> > Regards,
> >  
> > Georg Datterl
> >  
> > ------ Kontakt ------
> >  
> > Georg Datterl
> >  
> > Geneon media solutions gmbh
> > Gutenstetter Straße 8a
> > 90449 Nürnberg
> >  
> > HRB Nürnberg: 17193
> > Geschäftsführer: Yong-Harry Steiert
> >
> > Tel.: [phone] - 26
> > Fax: [phone] - 20
> >  
> > www.geneon.de
> >  
> > Weitere Mitglieder der Willmy MediaGroup:
> >  
> > IRS Integrated Realization Services GmbH:    www.irs-nbg.de
> > Willmy PrintMedia GmbH:                            www.willmy.de
> > Willmy Consult & Content GmbH:                 www.willmycc.de
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: fopit [mailto:lemailinconnu@...]
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. September 2009 16:03
> > An: fop-users@...
> > Betreff: Text rendering with FOP
> >
> >
> > Hello there
> >
> > First of all, as english is not my natural tongue, i beg you to excuse
> > faults or nonsense that would eventually come.
> >
> > I'm using FOP to create PDF from XML. Nothing particular, and it works
> > great.
> > But I also want to use it - and the same XSL-FO - to create a text
> > from the XML, a simple viewer of the PDF for final users, and there,
> > problems begin :
> > it's like having a very size-limited buffer, only the beginning of my
> > text is render.
> >
> > I read here and there that fop wasn't the best thing to do
> > text-rendering, but, really, I just want a viewer, nothing complicate or fancy.
> >
> > So, I wonder, why do fop render me only the beginning of my text, and
> > is there anything to do to change that?
> >
> > Thanks
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://www.nabble.com/Text-rendering-with-FOP-tp25681687p25681687.html
> > Sent from the FOP - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
> >
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[paul womack]

Vincent Hennebert wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think the way to go about that is to use a PDF post-processor that
> would convert the PDF into plain text.

Does this mean there's (implicitly) no way of using FOP
to emulate tex/nroff, at least directly ?

    BugBear

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[Vincent Hennebert-2]

Hi Paul,

paul womack wrote:
> Vincent Hennebert wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think the way to go about that is to use a PDF post-processor that
>> would convert the PDF into plain text.
>
> Does this mean there's (implicitly) no way of using FOP
> to emulate tex/nroff, at least directly ?

As Jeremias pointed out there is a text renderer but it’s very limited.
Transforming the PDF output to text would probably give much better
results.


Vincent

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[Tiku Ram Arya-2]

How can I configure the Apache FOP 0.95 on my JDeveloper 10g.
Please provide sample java program to convert the XML file to PDF.

Regards
Tiku Ram Arya

[Jeremias Maerki-2]

I don't know anything about JDeveloper but all you need to know to set
up the classpath in JDeveloper for running FOP is found here:
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/running.html

Calling FOP from Java is described here:
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/embedding.html
(at the bottom of that page you'll find example code)

On 01.10.2009 13:31:13 Tiku Ram Arya wrote:
> How can I configure the Apache FOP 0.95 on my JDeveloper 10g.
> Please provide sample java program to convert the XML file to PDF.
>
> Regards
> Tiku Ram Arya




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[Sergiu Dumitriu-2]

Georg Datterl wrote:
> Hi fopit,
>
> I see. Instead of rendering a pdf you want a text file. Or RTF? I think, I read something lately about discontinuing the rtf functionality because nobody uses it, but I leave the topic to the experts, since I only render to pdf.

I really hope this is not true, XWiki relies on RTF support in FOP for
exporting wiki documents as RTF.

--
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[Jeremias Maerki-2]

No, it's not. I've already responded to that:
http://markmail.org/message/oluo5jv4mgt35ayk

On 01.10.2009 23:09:03 Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:

> Georg Datterl wrote:
> > Hi fopit,
> >
> > I see. Instead of rendering a pdf you want a text file. Or RTF? I think, I read something lately about discontinuing the rtf functionality because nobody uses it, but I leave the topic to the experts, since I only render to pdf.
>
> I really hope this is not true, XWiki relies on RTF support in FOP for
> exporting wiki documents as RTF.
>
> --
> Sergiu Dumitriu
> http://purl.org/net/sergiu/

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[Georg Datterl]

Hi Sergiu,

I'm really sorry. As Jermias already pointed out, rumours about the RTF support's death are greatly exaggerated. I was wrong and I apologize.

Regards,
 
Georg Datterl
 
------ Kontakt ------
 
Georg Datterl
 
Geneon media solutions gmbh
Gutenstetter Straße 8a
90449 Nürnberg
 
HRB Nürnberg: 17193
Geschäftsführer: Yong-Harry Steiert

Tel.: [phone] - 26
Fax: [phone] - 20
 
www.geneon.de
 
Weitere Mitglieder der Willmy MediaGroup:
 
IRS Integrated Realization Services GmbH:    www.irs-nbg.de
Willmy PrintMedia GmbH:                            www.willmy.de
Willmy Consult & Content GmbH:                 www.willmycc.de
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Sergiu Dumitriu [mailto:sergiu.dumitriu@...] Im Auftrag von Sergiu Dumitriu
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Oktober 2009 23:09
An: fop-users@...
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Text rendering with FOP

Georg Datterl wrote:
> Hi fopit,
>
> I see. Instead of rendering a pdf you want a text file. Or RTF? I think, I read something lately about discontinuing the rtf functionality because nobody uses it, but I leave the topic to the experts, since I only render to pdf.

I really hope this is not true, XWiki relies on RTF support in FOP for exporting wiki documents as RTF.

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http://purl.org/net/sergiu/

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