The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

[Eugenijus Novikovas]

        Hello, my name is Eugenijus-Jonas, or Eugene-John in English. I am a
catholic. I live in Lithuania.
        When I heard about changed NetBSD logo I exulted - they go to the right
way, but I disappointed soon, because it was changed by political or ethical
reasons. As a result - beastie still alive in docs page, you support obtaining
of previous devotionalia by providing information where it can be purchased and
so on.
        So, what is wrong? Crux of the matter is that God and Devil is real.
They are not political or ethical term, they are and have real power. Main
difference is that God is love, but Devil is ego or, in other words, He love
himself and do it absolutely. So, whats happens next: when you love God, He
loves you and this love is felt by other peoples around you, peoples want to be
with you, want to deal with you just because you love God and you emit love,
even if you do not think that and do not feel that by yourself; when you love
Devil He loves himself and other peoples around you feel that you love
yourself, because you love Devil, because you deal with Devil, because you emit
self loving. Devil is just as a black hole for love. You can love Him as much
as you can, but you can never expect love from Him.
        Of course, NetBSD is not such the black hole, because everyone of you
are supported by love from your family, your friends, your kids, but how long
they suffer? Just see, where is Linux today and where is all of BSD's? No,
Linux don't base on God, but they don't base on Devil too. Mascot of Linux is
penguin, mascot of BSD is Devil (or Beastie). Really no one can expect
happiness in his/her life, while deal with, or support, or supported by Devil.
Life can not exist without love.
        So, what must be done to change the situation? First of all everyone of
you must go to church and confess your sins, if you are the catholics. If you
are not, then pray for God for forgiveness by yourself, but it is much harder.
Next, for NetBSD:
        1. Must be clearly written in philosophy/constitution of NetBSD, that
NetBSD don't have any relation with old logo now, and www pages must be cleaned
up from any beasties, daemons and so on, and official mirrors must be
controlled. There is the example - www.netbsd.se, and the question - what are
they represent: Devil, NetBSD or Devil in NetBSD? Logo had changed 5 years ago.
        It is possible to write, that NetBSD believe in God, but it is too hard
to continue such promise.
        2. Name of the NetBSD must be changed. It would be principle - no BSD,
because all of BSD's mascot is beastie. It can be NetOS or NetSomething or what
you (community) want. Logo is good.
        Of course, NetBSD is derived from BSD 4. So, put this all information
to the history page and forget it.
        3. Licence must be changed too. No BSD or BSD like licence. It can be
MIT, or Apache or even (L)GPL licence.
        4. Must be changed naming of servers - no daemons. It must be servers or
services. I don't need support by daemons, I don't need served by daemons. I
can be served by servers or by services provided by other peoples. Good example
is Microsoft Windows and Sun Solaris. Sun has new rc.d subsystem where they
start/stop services. They have some daemons of course, but it is good example -
they want to change situation.
        Really it is long work, but it is right way and it has future, at least
for everyone of you personally.

        Why I wrote this post? Some years ago I had installed FreeBSD as my
desktop, then switched to Linux, then became the catholic :) . I have some
nostalgic feels about BSD. FreeBSD disappoint me - they had changed they logo
very cosmeticly - really by political reason only. They want to be with
Devil, but I don't. All these rules are correct for OpenBSD and even for
FreeBSD.

        And again - if you want to be happy you must be with God, you must emit
the love and a clean design (of NetBSD for example) here is not in the first
place.

Eugenijus-Jonas.
P.S. I am 38 years old.

[Andy Ruhl]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, E.J. Novikovas<clm@...> wrote:
>        Hello, my name is Eugenijus-Jonas, or Eugene-John in English. I am a
> catholic. I live in Lithuania.

Woo hoo! Best troll ever? Or at least this week maybe :)

Makes me nostalgic for the "daemon" logos.

Andy

[Pierrick Brossin]

On 27 juil. 2009, at 19:28, Andy Ruhl <acruhl@...> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, E.J. Novikovas<clm@...> wrote:
>>        Hello, my name is Eugenijus-Jonas, or Eugene-John in  
>> English. I am a
>> catholic. I live in Lithuania.
>
> Woo hoo! Best troll ever? Or at least this week maybe :)
>
> Makes me nostalgic for the "daemon" logos.
>
> Andy

Well it's not the way to bring people to God.

I hope it was a joke :-)

Pierrick

[Christopher H]

While I respect the decision to change the logo to something less offensive
(to some) I do miss the daemon.  FreeBSD shouldn't have a monopoly on its
use.  :-)

Peace,
~~Christopher

"I have no country to fight for; my country is the Earth, and I am a citizen
of the World."
~~Eugene V. Debs


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pierrick Brossin" <pierrick@...>
To: "Andy Ruhl" <acruhl@...>
Cc: "E.J. Novikovas" <clm@...>; <netbsd-advocacy@...>
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

> On 27 juil. 2009, at 19:28, Andy Ruhl <acruhl@...> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, E.J. Novikovas<clm@...> wrote:
>>>        Hello, my name is Eugenijus-Jonas, or Eugene-John in
>>> English. I am a
>>> catholic. I live in Lithuania.
>>
>> Woo hoo! Best troll ever? Or at least this week maybe :)
>>
>> Makes me nostalgic for the "daemon" logos.
>>
>> Andy
>
> Well it's not the way to bring people to God.
>
> I hope it was a joke :-)
>
> Pierrick

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[Eugenijus Novikovas]

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:24:20 +0200
Pierrick Brossin <pierrick@...> wrote:

> On 27 juil. 2009, at 19:28, Andy Ruhl <acruhl@...> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, E.J. Novikovas<clm@...> wrote:
> >>        Hello, my name is Eugenijus-Jonas, or Eugene-John in  
> >> English. I am a
> >> catholic. I live in Lithuania.
> >
> > Woo hoo! Best troll ever? Or at least this week maybe :)
> >
> > Makes me nostalgic for the "daemon" logos.
> >
> > Andy
>
> Well it's not the way to bring people to God.
>
> I hope it was a joke :-)
>
> Pierrick

        No, it is not a joke. It is the way to survive. Just reread my post
again.
If you don't believe in God, don't believe in Devil, so - don't play with Him.
If you play - you have deal.

Eugenijus-Jonas.

[Daniel de Kok-4]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:52 PM, E.J. Novikovas<clm@...> wrote:
> Mascot of Linux is penguin, mascot of BSD is Devil (or Beastie). Really no
> one can expect happiness in his/her life, while deal with, or support, or
> supported by Devil.

Wow, we haven't seen this one in a while... Thanks for the good chuckle! :)

Take care,
Daniel

[Hubert Feyrer-4]

>> Mascot of Linux is penguin, mascot of BSD is Devil (or Beastie).

The mascot of isn't (the/a) devil, but a daemon: In greek mythology,
daemons were beings between gods and humans, e.g. think of hermes the
gods' messenger. This has nothing to do with what the (christian?) church
connects to "the devil", even if there's some visual equivalence. A detail
of difference to note are that the BSD daemon does not have a horned foot
as one would expect from "the devil".


  - Hubert

[Peter Seebach-2]

In message <20090727225531.c29b08cb.clm@...>, "E.J. Novikovas" writes:
> No, it is not a joke.

It may not be an intentional joke.  It is absolutely a joke.

The cartoon daemon (note spelling) is not a devil, nor the devil, nor a
symbol of the same.  It's a cartoon.  It has no power over you except the
power you choose to give it.

-s

[Herb Peyerl]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 04:46:59PM -0500, Peter Seebach wrote:
> In message <20090727225531.c29b08cb.clm@...>, "E.J. Novikovas" writes:
> > No, it is not a joke.
>
> It may not be an intentional joke.  It is absolutely a joke.
>
> The cartoon daemon (note spelling) is not a devil, nor the devil, nor a
> symbol of the same.  It's a cartoon.  It has no power over you except the
> power you choose to give it.

Could we please not feed the troll?

[Christopher H]

I have Beastie tattooed on me.  Am I going to hell?  :-)

Peace,
~~Christopher

"Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living."
-Mother Jones

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Seebach" <seebs@...>
To: <netbsd-advocacy@...>
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

> In message <20090727225531.c29b08cb.clm@...>, "E.J. Novikovas" writes:
>> No, it is not a joke.
>
> It may not be an intentional joke.  It is absolutely a joke.
>
> The cartoon daemon (note spelling) is not a devil, nor the devil, nor a
> symbol of the same.  It's a cartoon.  It has no power over you except the
> power you choose to give it.
>
> -s

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[Andy Ruhl]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:55 PM, E.J. Novikovas<clm@...> wrote:
>        No, it is not a joke. It is the way to survive. Just reread my post
> again.
> If you don't believe in God, don't believe in Devil, so - don't play with Him.
> If you play - you have deal.

Tens of thousands of people just to the north of me (I'm in Arizona)
are in serious trouble. Also quite a few from North Carolina. What
will they do to save themselves? Use Linux?

This is quite a tough one.

Darnit, troll food.

Andy

[Hubert Feyrer-4]

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Christopher H wrote:
> I have Beastie tattooed on me.  Am I going to hell?  :-)

Only if you don't send pix. :)


  - Hubert

[Stephen Borrill-2]

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Hubert Feyrer wrote:
>>> Mascot of Linux is penguin, mascot of BSD is Devil (or Beastie).
>
> The mascot of isn't (the/a) devil, but a daemon: In greek mythology, daemons
> were beings between gods and humans, e.g. think of hermes the gods'
> messenger.

You may also like to read His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman (or watch
the first third of it in the Amber Spyglass film) in which daemons are
portrayed to be a corporeal version of one's soul.

Of course, you may also find the over-powering nature of the Magisterium
and the Creator being a frail impotent old man equally as upsetting.

--
Stephen

[Daniel de Kok-4]

On Jul 27, 2009, at 23:56, "Christopher H" <okgreenguy@...>  
wrote:

> I have Beastie tattooed on me.  Am I going to hell?  :-)

Maybe you do, but the guy with the pitchfork is not so bad at all, in  
contrast to some ex-dictator.

Sorry, obligatory South Park reference ;).

[Christophe-36]

Hello,
my name is Christophe, I am not a believer. I live in France.

You are free to make a fork of BSD software. Make one by yourself, change the
logo, keep it up-to-date, and change the license or whatever else you say. Then
see if it gets a strong support from the community, and with the help of [your]
god, of course.

'cause the things that matter in opensource are not god-given, but human-given:
followers, users, developers...

Christophe

PS: don't forget also that there is some humor in BSD's daemon, it's not the
symbol of people who deliberately choose to work with and for the Devil. It's
more of a joke by people who are not afraid of a picture. They're not idolatrous.

[Eugenijus Novikovas]

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:46:59 -0500
seebs@... (Peter Seebach) wrote:

> In message <20090727225531.c29b08cb.clm@...>, "E.J. Novikovas" writes:
> > No, it is not a joke.
>
> It may not be an intentional joke.  It is absolutely a joke.
>
> The cartoon daemon (note spelling) is not a devil, nor the devil, nor a
> symbol of the same.  It's a cartoon.  It has no power over you except the
> power you choose to give it.
>
If to follow your logic, God has no power over you except the power you choose
to give Him. May be you are much powerfull man in the whole Universe :) , but I
don't think so.

Eugenijus-Jonas.

[Eugenijus Novikovas]

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:20:54 +0200 (CEST)
Hubert Feyrer <hubert@...> wrote:

>
> >> Mascot of Linux is penguin, mascot of BSD is Devil (or Beastie).
>
> The mascot of isn't (the/a) devil, but a daemon: In greek mythology,
> daemons were beings between gods and humans, e.g. think of hermes the
> gods' messenger. This has nothing to do with what the (christian?) church
> connects to "the devil", even if there's some visual equivalence. A detail
> of difference to note are that the BSD daemon does not have a horned foot
> as one would expect from "the devil".
>
>
>   - Hubert

Daemon or Demon or Devil - there is no difference. Don't lie for yourself.
We live not in ancient Greece. What does it mean in modern english language
you can check in English thesaurus, for example here:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus.htm .
The Devil has the same meaning in all religious as far as I know.

Eugenijus-Jonas.

[Herb Peyerl]

On Jul 28, 2009, at 5:09 AM, E.J. Novikovas wrote:
> Daemon or Demon or Devil - there is no difference. Don't lie for  
> yourself.

oh ok fine ...

This reminds me of a story that Angela Thomas told me a long time ago  
(this is coming out of 15 year old brain cells)... Angela and Chris  
Torek were driving through the south on the way to a Usenix... They  
stopped for gas and walked into the restaurant for a bite to eat and  
everyone stopped talking and all looked at her.. Finally, one guy says  
(and I can't spell in Texas-drawl so you'll just have to imagine it)  
"Ma'am, y'all know you got the lord a darkness on your shirt?"

I guess her and Chris spun on their heels and kept driving...

[Stephen Borrill-2]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, E.J. Novikovas wrote:

>>>> Mascot of Linux is penguin, mascot of BSD is Devil (or Beastie).
>>
>> The mascot of isn't (the/a) devil, but a daemon: In greek mythology,
>> daemons were beings between gods and humans, e.g. think of hermes the
>> gods' messenger. This has nothing to do with what the (christian?) church
>> connects to "the devil", even if there's some visual equivalence. A detail
>> of difference to note are that the BSD daemon does not have a horned foot
>> as one would expect from "the devil".
>>
>>
>>   - Hubert
> Daemon or Demon or Devil - there is no difference. Don't lie for yourself.
> We live not in ancient Greece. What does it mean in modern english language
> you can check in English thesaurus, for example here:
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus.htm .

Check out thesaurus.com. One of the two meanings of daemon is "God - a
supernatural being worshipped by people". You really ought to stop
tripping up over a spelling misconception - I guess you hate Matt Damon
too for the same reasons.

--
Stephen

[Mark Weinem-3]

Hi,

we all know it was a nice joke, me and my old friend Lucifer had much fun
reading it, but ...

> The Devil has the same meaning in all religious as far as I know.

as far as this guy knows - and that's not very far!


"Never argue with catholics ..."  ;-)

satanic greetings, Mark