The Web Accessibility Toolbar 2.0 beta is now available.

[Steven Faulkner-2]

The Web Accessibility Toolbar 2.0 beta is now available.
[http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html]

Feedback welcome.

Whats new version 2.0

Compatible with IE 7 and Vista
All functions (except third party) no longer rely upon external scripts.
Most functions now work when javascript is disabled
Most functions (where applicable) work across frames & iframes
HTML validator - checks files from a local server or folder.

New functionality:

log window: when the log text box is opened, any messages that a
function provides are written to the log window (instead of an alert
box). Text can also be entered into the log text box. this info can be
saved to a text file.
Open in Firefox and opera buttons: opens the current page in firefox
or Opera (if installed)
HTML validation quick check: returns summary check results from the
W3C validator.
frames list: provides access to any framed documents
generated source highlighter: generated source views with elements highlighted.
Focus highlighter
Functional Accessibility Evaluator
plus others and upgrades to existing functions


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with regards

Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG Europe
Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium

www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org

[Jesper Tverskov]

Nice.

I find that there is a problem with, Resize, listing 640x480 as the
lowest. By having a lowest it is somehow indicated that this is the
lowest. It is not.

Any ordinary webpage, unless there are good arguments against it,
should work well in a mobile phone, etc.

Mobile Web Best Practices 1.0, clearly says in 5.3.3.2,
http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/#iddiv3126702920, that for "the Default
Delivery Context assume a width of 120 pixels". This is much lower
than above.

Why not use "width 120 pixel" as the lowest in your Resize list?

Cheers,

Jesper Tverskov
http://www.xmlplease.com

[Alastair Campbell]

Jesper Tverskov wrote:
> "Why not use "width 120 pixel" as the lowest in your Resize list?"

Possibly because it would be rendering quite differently to a mobile device, and therefore misleading?

Mobile rendering tends to follow one of two methods (except Opera, where you can choose):

1. Reformat without layout, i.e. linearise.
2. Display as a deskptop browser, but include a zoom.

See: http://alastairc.ac/2006/10/mobile-browsing/

For the former, you are better off using the linearisation function. For the latter, um, your imagination, a screen magnifier or a bit of paper with a cut out? ;)

Kind regards,

-Alastair

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[Steven Faulkner-2]

Hi Jesper,

the indicated sizes are common for pc's

There is no implied minimum size one should test for.

 

If i want to check for handheld devices

I tend to use the Opera "small screen" setting.
 

On 15/06/07, Alastair Campbell <ac@...> wrote:

Jesper Tverskov wrote:
> "Why not use "width 120 pixel" as the lowest in your Resize list?"

Possibly because it would be rendering quite differently to a mobile device, and therefore misleading?

Mobile rendering tends to follow one of two methods (except Opera, where you can choose):

1. Reformat without layout, i.e. linearise.
2. Display as a deskptop browser, but include a zoom.

See: http://alastairc.ac/2006/10/mobile-browsing/

For the former, you are better off using the linearisation function. For the latter, um, your imagination, a screen magnifier or a bit of paper with a cut out? ;)

Kind regards,

-Alastair

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Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG Europe
Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium

www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org

[Jesper Tverskov]

On 6/15/07, Steven Faulkner wrote:

> Hi Jesper,
> the indicated sizes are common for pc's
> There is no implied minimum size one should test for.
>
> If i want to check for handheld devices
> I tend to use the Opera "small screen" setting.
>

Yes, but since the idea of a "Web Accessibility Toolbar 2.0" is to
make quick and dirty acessibility testing easier, you could decide
also to include mobile devices.

Especially if we agree, that most web page ought to work well also in
mobile devices.

Jesper

[Steven Faulkner-2]

Yes I agree Jesper, I will add a lower screen resolution setting in the next update.

On 15/06/07, Jesper Tverskov <jesper@...> wrote:

On 6/15/07, Steven Faulkner wrote:

> Hi Jesper,
> the indicated sizes are common for pc's
> There is no implied minimum size one should test for.
>
> If i want to check for handheld devices
> I tend to use the Opera "small screen" setting.
>

Yes, but since the idea of a "Web Accessibility Toolbar 2.0" is to
make quick and dirty acessibility testing easier, you could decide
also to include mobile devices.

Especially if we agree, that most web page ought to work well also in
mobile devices.

Jesper

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with regards

Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG Europe
Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium

www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org

[Tighe K. Lory]

Hi Jesper,

Opera has a small screen mode, while is helpful it does not truly represent
what browsing on a mobile device is like.  There are some excellent
emulators/simulators which are very good for testing:

Openwave Phone Simulator (probably the most common WAP browser)
http://developer.openwave.com/dvl/tools_and_sdk/phone_simulator/

Windows Mobile Smart Phone
Microsoft had a SmartPhone Emulator, but I cannot seem to find it anymore
(It is included with the SDK, but requires you have Visual Studio
installed.)

There are also several other emulators/simulators (Palm, etc) which are
useful when checking a site to see if it is useable on a mobile device.

Anyone know if Apple has plans to release a simulator for the iPhone?  I
assume that their release of Safari for Windows is part of a plan to do so,
but is doesn't emulate the interface or resolution of the phone.

Tighe


                                                                           
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On 6/15/07, Steven Faulkner wrote:

> Hi Jesper,
> the indicated sizes are common for pc's
> There is no implied minimum size one should test for.
>
> If i want to check for handheld devices
> I tend to use the Opera "small screen" setting.
>

Yes, but since the idea of a "Web Accessibility Toolbar 2.0" is to
make quick and dirty acessibility testing easier, you could decide
also to include mobile devices.

Especially if we agree, that most web page ought to work well also in
mobile devices.

Jesper




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[Darin S. Lory]

Tighe and Distribution,

There is a free iPhone web simulator for designers/develepors at http://www.marketcircle.com/iphoney/

It's at version 1.1 as of 6/28/2007 and is open source (GPL Licensed).  The SourceForge link is at http://sourceforge.net/projects/iphonesimulator/

Only thing ...it's written in Objective C and uses the Cocoa interface.   I don't know if there is a way to "emulate " that code on Windows or Linux, especially if you need to convert the Cocoa code to run on a non-Mac OS X OS

-Darin

Tighe K. Lory wrote:

Anyone know if Apple has plans to release a simulator for the iPhone?  I
assume that their release of Safari for Windows is part of a plan to do so,
but is doesn't emulate the interface or resolution of the phone.

Tighe

[Tighe K. Lory]

Thanks Darin,

      Hopefully this product will improve to more accurately represent the
UI of an iPhone, also be available on PC and Linux too.  I am also curious
if it will support RSS podcast feeds directly instead of having to sync
with a computer.

Tighe


                                                                           
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Tighe and Distribution,

There is a free iPhone web simulator for designers/develepors at
http://www.marketcircle.com/iphoney/

It's at version 1.1 as of 6/28/2007 and is open source (GPL Licensed).  The
SourceForge link is at http://sourceforge.net/projects/iphonesimulator/

Only thing ...it's written in Objective C and uses the Cocoa interface.   I
don't know if there is a way to "emulate " that code on Windows or Linux,
especially if you need to convert the Cocoa code to run on a non-Mac OS X
OS

-Darin


Tighe K. Lory wrote:

>
>
> Anyone know if Apple has plans to release a simulator for the iPhone?  I
> assume that their release of Safari for Windows is part of a plan to do
> so,
> but is doesn't emulate the interface or resolution of the phone.
>
> Tighe
>
>

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