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The cat is out of the bag
I was surfing the internet and came across an engine built for the outlaw class making 2300 HP. 2300 Horsepower Conversion for Chris Trew of New Mexico
Chris sent us his 638 cube Nitrous Big Block Chevrolet, making about 1206HP.
He asked us to convert this to a ProCharged, EFI engine for his Outlaw 10.5 car.
Out the door the engine was 582 cube and making 2300 HP. Dyno video coming soon!!
A pic of the motor is on the front page http://www.stevemorrisracingengines.com/
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wow i wonder how much it would built with only 468in. And you can controll it as it goes down the track. Its going to be way fast.
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It made that power at 30# of boost and can make up to 2800 hp at 38-40. These numbers are with no intercooler and on methanol. They elected not to go that high on the dyno. They have made 2200hp with 468 inch motors and the right cylinder head.
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How much HP can they make with a conventional headed 468 on methanol?
See y'all in March.
Unc
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I think on a conventional headed 468 they can make somewhere 9,423hp give or take a few tenths on pumpgas on a full moon on a wednesday at 2:12pm. Intergrate that with a 3 on-the-three column shift and bf goodrich all terain radials, I would say 5.10 at 145mph at best. And that's if you had it in a 1965 chevy long bed with a bail speer sticking out the back to catch it from flipping over backwards. LMAO!!!!!!!!! either way it will be fun to watch.
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I would not think 1900-2000hp would be a great feat with some of the really goods heads (420-440cfm intake).
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Man that's a lot of HP. My 1400 HP nitrous car needs a WTTT5 weight break to hang with a beast like that.
Unc
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I know what you mean! The problem is hooking it and they lose about 17-18% of their power in our stinky air. A 23 degree headed 1000hp small block nitrous car even has more problems than the big block nitrous car. Our domination rule helps in this area and when someone comes in and starts blowing everybody away, we will have to start looking at ways to even it up. RD
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I know what you mean! The problem is hooking it and they lose about 17-18% of their power in our stinky air. A 23 degree headed 1000hp small block nitrous car even has more problems than the big block nitrous car. Our domination rule helps in this area and when someone comes in and starts blowing everybody away, we will have to start looking at ways to even it up. RD
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I know what you mean! The problem is hooking it and they lose about 17-18% of their power in our stinky air. A 23 degree headed 1000hp small block nitrous car even has more problems than the big block nitrous car. Our domination rule helps in this area and when someone comes in and starts blowing everybody away, we will have to start looking at ways to even it up. RD
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Not for 3 years!!! 
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Throwing more weight at a car that already has to weigh in at 3500 aint the answer to a domination issue if that's what y'all are thinking the answer is, more weight. Those blown and nitrous BB cars already have to weigh too much to be safe without a domination weight penalty added. The ones that are probably going to dominate in the future are the turbo cars. A 360 inch small block on methanol with a 91 MM turbo at 3100 lbs can make 1900 to 2000 HP and they get to come in at 400 lbs lighter than a nitrous 572? Come on, how much nitrous can a man safely throw at a 572 inch motor that makes a 1000 HP N/A without killing it? I don't get it! I know y'all say your air is the difference in West Texas, but force induced motors on methanol are transparent to air conditions because they create their on air density. I'm playing the devils advocate here, but there aint a heads-up, small tire class in the USA that allows a turbo, small block car come in at 400 lighter than a nitrous big block car. Even the Outlaw 10.5 classes make the turbos weigh the same or more nowadays. If you aint careful, you are going to run off the nitrous cars. Just my humble opinion based on playing with the players for a few years.
Peace out
Unc
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Unc, I don't think you heard me make mention of adding weight to the 3500# cars!!!! I have been around a while myself and I will promise you air does make a difference and wheelie bars make even a bigger difference with this kind of power, especially for the organizations you are referring to. I don't have all of the answers and these decisions will be made by the paid members within the 10.5 group. Brad and I have a dog in the fight as well and are just trying to keep up like everybody else. If and when we see a distinct advantage by a particular combination, we will all get our heads together and figure out what to do. The basic rules are set for 3 years, but the domination clause helps to keep things from getting out of hand until we vote on rules again. Lets see how it goes and your observations are well taken.
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Wow and to think a sm blk n20 with 750na hp and as much n2o as you can throw at it,must weigh 150 lbs more than a turbo car that makes 1500 hp. How much n2o will a 430in motor take and live?
As far as putting the power down without wheelies bars it becomes alot easier with dfi. Where you can build a timing curve and a fuel curve. I have seen a 3400lbs turbo car with a 91 and 351in run 5.0s at 3500 ft air without wheel bars and a 28 10.5 tire. When you put the air through a intercooler and the air enters the motor at 40 to 50 degrees does it really matter how hot it is outside?
If a big block f3 dominates what do we do if we dont add weight? I would not want to be the guy that told that person that we was going to outlaw their combo. So what then lower weight for everyone but them? Just a simple question what do you do then?
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We can pose 10,000 questions about what if??? and what about????, but I'm with UNC on not adding anymore weight to big block cars. We do not need any car weighing over 3500#. A good option would be to have some small weight breaks for nitrous cars and/or limit the amount of overdrive on a particular blower combination. Maybe a small weight increase for smallblock turbo cars if they start running away from everyone. We only allow a turbo combination for small blocks only. We haven't gotten there yet so I don't see a need for panic! We have run this thing for 3 years and nobody has just run away.
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We don't even need to talk about small block turbo's!!!!!!
It's dead and stinkin, It's fine the way it is. we talked about this for 3 months on making changes and nobody listened to what I had to say. I proposed back in august(to earl and ricky) that anything forced induction car needed to way at least 3350, and that would be adding weight to my future(hopefully) combination. I like the way it is now. Don't change a thing.
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Ricky a small block with 15 degree heads is not a what if. At best what 800hp plus n2o against a 1500hp turbo car and have to weight 150 lbs more?
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Tim, I think you need one of these. Thought I read on another post where you were building one.
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