The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

[Ray Saintonge]

Andrew Turvey wrote:

> ----- "Fred Bauder"  wrote:
>  
>> There is still a problem: He still has friends; there is probably still
>> only one computer; and his friends may be interested in writing Wikipedia
>> accounts for hire, a legal activity, as he points out. We might have to
>> sort some of this stuff out. I think we can.
>>    
> Yeah other people use my computer too. Just remember to log out when you've finished and don't tell them your password!
>
> Oh, and dont click the "remember me" box.
>
>  

And people with shared computers will continue to engage in these minor
faults.  So what! There is no general need to make such an exaggerated
fuss about it.

Ec

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[Fred Bauder-2]

> Andrew Turvey wrote:
>> ----- "Fred Bauder"  wrote:
>>
>>> There is still a problem: He still has friends; there is probably
>>> still
>>> only one computer; and his friends may be interested in writing
>>> Wikipedia
>>> accounts for hire, a legal activity, as he points out. We might have
>>> to
>>> sort some of this stuff out. I think we can.
>>>
>> Yeah other people use my computer too. Just remember to log out when
>> you've finished and don't tell them your password!
>>
>> Oh, and dont click the "remember me" box.
>>
>>
> And people with shared computers will continue to engage in these minor
> faults.  So what! There is no general need to make such an exaggerated
> fuss about it.
>
> Ec

The fuss is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Bad_news

Essentially a lot of bad talk, but the user has not actually done
anything improper with his account recently and is certainly aware of our
expectations at this point. I unblocked him.

Fred



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[Charles Matthews]

Fred Bauder wrote:

>> And people with shared computers will continue to engage in these minor
>> faults.  So what! There is no general need to make such an exaggerated
>> fuss about it.
>>
>> Ec
>>    
>
> The fuss is here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Bad_news
>
> Essentially a lot of bad talk, but the user has not actually done
> anything improper with his account recently and is certainly aware of our
> expectations at this point. I unblocked him.
>
>  

Fuss is not required, but the business of keeping an account clean is
effectively in our "terms of service", and complaints that the terms are
enforced are really misplaced.

Charles


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[AndrewRT]

---- "Ray Saintonge" <saintonge@...> wrote:

> From: "Ray Saintonge" <saintonge@...>
>
> Andrew Turvey wrote:
> > Per the policy [[WP:NOSHARE]], "Sharing an account – or the password to an account – with others is not permitted, and doing so will result in the account being blocked."
> >
>
> This is worded in such an absolute way as to make the hearts of the
> policy police glow. The wording is clear with no provision for
> mitigating circumstances. There is especially no room for previous
> discussion, that might just reveal innocent circumstances.

This policy should be read in conjunction with [[WP:BLOCK]], which states, for instance:

"administrators should generally ensure that users are aware of policies, and give them reasonable opportunity to adjust their behaviour accordingly, before blocking."

If you think the blocking administrator was wrong to impose this block, then say that and let's have that discussion. Having looked through the discussions, I don't think he was.

> Somebody with that attitude would be well-suited to running a
> totalitarian regime.

This is an attempt to help a user, who had been blocked, get out of that situation. And indeed it worked. Please see my posts in that context. Calling me totalitarian is a bit uncalled for.

> It presumes guilt.

"Guilt" was admitted and the block was imposed on that basis. Please refer to the linked talk page.

Andrew
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[The Cunctator]

Wikipedia would be so much better off if we just didn't let people edit the
content.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Andrew Turvey <andrewrturvey@...
> wrote:

> ---- "Ray Saintonge" <saintonge@...> wrote:
> > From: "Ray Saintonge" <saintonge@...>
> >
> > Andrew Turvey wrote:
> > > Per the policy [[WP:NOSHARE]], "Sharing an account – or the password to
> an account – with others is not permitted, and doing so will result in the
> account being blocked."
> > >
> >
> > This is worded in such an absolute way as to make the hearts of the
> > policy police glow. The wording is clear with no provision for
> > mitigating circumstances. There is especially no room for previous
> > discussion, that might just reveal innocent circumstances.
>
> This policy should be read in conjunction with [[WP:BLOCK]], which states,
> for instance:
>
> "administrators should generally ensure that users are aware of policies,
> and give them reasonable opportunity to adjust their behaviour accordingly,
> before blocking."
>
> If you think the blocking administrator was wrong to impose this block,
> then say that and let's have that discussion. Having looked through the
> discussions, I don't think he was.
>
> > Somebody with that attitude would be well-suited to running a
> > totalitarian regime.
>
> This is an attempt to help a user, who had been blocked, get out of that
> situation. And indeed it worked. Please see my posts in that context.
> Calling me totalitarian is a bit uncalled for.
>
> > It presumes guilt.
>
> "Guilt" was admitted and the block was imposed on that basis. Please refer
> to the linked talk page.
>
> Andrew
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