Tie doesn't tie

> Agreed. Even when explicitly instantiating voices it remains necessary to use
> them for e.g. cross-voice ties. Easy cross-voice ties would be very nice, as
> they occor very often in keyboard music. This is an example that works:
>
> \layout {
>   \context {
>     \Staff
>     \consists "Tie_engraver"
>   }
>   \context {
>     \Voice
>     \remove "Tie_engraver"
>   }
> }
>
> \new Staff \relative c' <<
>   { c4 e~ g b }
>   \\
>   { a,2 e' }
>>>
>
> But I don't know how it would affect more complex stuff such as multiple
> voices with tied chords in a staff.

> Op zondag 08 november 2009 schreef David:
>
>  
>> Hm.  Maybe ties should work at the staff level as fall-back.  Or even
>> just explicitly.  Wouldn't it be nice to be able to say ~~ and have the
>> tie work staff-level?  The current voice jigglery-pokery is not
>> particularly nice, and it gets worse when working with <<\\>> when you
>> have to start guessing the right \voiceOne and similar settings in order
>> to have the invisible notes sit on the same place as the visible ones.
>>    
>
> The trouble is that << \\ >> creates new Voice contexts. So not only ties but
> everything (spanners etc) does not connect to notes in the outside Voice
> context. Even if you have something like:
>
> \relative c' {
>   c( << { f g } \\ { f, g } >> d')
> }
>
> the slur does not notice the notes inside the << \\ >> construct.
>
> The solution is put all related notes together:
>
> \relative c' {
>   << { c( f g d) } \\ { s f, g s } >>
> }
>
> or avoid << \\ >>, much longer to write:
>
> \relative c' {
>   \voiceOne
>   c(
>   <<
>     { f g }
>     \new Voice { \voiceTwo f, g }
>   >>
>   d')
> }
>
> But I think that this is properly enough documented.
>
>  
>> An artificial voice with invisible notes is pretty solidly pointing to
>> missing functionality.
>>    
>
> Agreed. Even when explicitly instantiating voices it remains necessary to use
> them for e.g. cross-voice ties. Easy cross-voice ties would be very nice, as
> they occor very often in keyboard music. This is an example that works:
>
> \layout {
>   \context {
>     \Staff
>     \consists "Tie_engraver"
>   }
>   \context {
>     \Voice
>     \remove "Tie_engraver"
>   }
> }
>
> \new Staff \relative c' <<
>   { c4 e~ g b }
>   \\
>   { a,2 e' }
>  
>
> But I don't know how it would affect more complex stuff such as multiple
> voices with tied chords in a staff.
>
> best regards,
> Wilbert Berendsen
>
>