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by Erwin Waterlander-2
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Op 10/20/2009 10:10 PM, Keith Marshall schreef:
> Vincent, > > Please stop top-posting; see http://mingw.org/mailing_lists#toc9 > > This link refers to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting, which is very interesting. Did you read it lately? I also don't like top posting, but I think you are fighting a lost case. I remember the good old days when Elm was the only email client and I had to manually uudecode attachments. Top posting didn't exist then. It's very brave to try to educate everybody. There is a whole new generation that doesn't know any better than to top post. You may not like it, but it is a fact. The same with HTML. If you can't handle HTML mails, you must be a dinosaur. What is plain text? ASCII? CP437? CP1252? ISO-8859-1? UTF-8? UTF-16? Plain text doesn't exist. Isn't HTML a nice standard, understood by every modern email client? Even text based Pine client can handle html. The most important thing of a mailing list is the communication, not the format. regards, Erwin Waterlander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Andy Koppe
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2009/10/21 Erwin Waterlander:
> What is plain text? ASCII? CP437? CP1252? ISO-8859-1? UTF-8? Ever heard of email headers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="BLAH" Andy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Mads Dyrholm
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I also don't like top posting, but I think you are fighting a lost case. It shouldn't be lost! - I personally try to follow the discussions on this list. The only way that a mortal like me can follow is, knock on wood, non-top-postings. Mads ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Erwin Waterlander-2
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Op 10/21/2009 10:26 AM, Andy Koppe schreef:
> Ever heard of email headers? > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="BLAH" > > Of course. And when you still use a CGA monitor with only green text, things like colour make no sense. ;) Erwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Erwin Waterlander-2
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Op 10/21/2009 10:29 AM, Mads Dyrholm schreef:
> > It shouldn't be lost! - I personally try to follow the discussions on > this list. The only way that a mortal like me can follow is, knock on > wood, non-top-postings. That's also the way I prefer it. I don't disagree with that top posting should not be used. I don't like messages with phrases like "Don't do this, or I ignore you." I see them too many times. Sometimes you have to accept that technology is progressing and new people see things differently. Erwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Chris Saunders-4
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I happen to be a person who prefers top posted message. I have my own
reasons that suit me. Some people like to post messages with no capitol letters, which I find annoying but I wouldn't dream of insisting that no such messages appear before my eyes. I would suggest the person with the original complaint should be more tolerant (maybe in general). Regards Chris Saunders ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Waterlander" <waterlan@...> To: "MinGW Users List" <mingw-users@...> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [Mingw-users] Top post > Op 10/21/2009 10:29 AM, Mads Dyrholm schreef: >> >> It shouldn't be lost! - I personally try to follow the discussions on >> this list. The only way that a mortal like me can follow is, knock on >> wood, non-top-postings. > > That's also the way I prefer it. I don't disagree with that top posting > should not be used. > > I don't like messages with phrases like "Don't do this, or I ignore > you." I see them too many times. Sometimes you have to accept that > technology is progressing and new people see things differently. > > Erwin > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > MinGW-users mailing list > MinGW-users@... > > This list observes the Etiquette found at > http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. > We ask that you be polite and do the same. > > Most annoying abuses are: > 1) Top posting > 2) Thread hijacking > 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail > 4) Improper quoting > 5) Improper trimming > _______________________________________________ > You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Erwin Waterlander-2
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> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > MinGW-users mailing list > MinGW-users@... > > It's hilarious to see that the mailing list is sponsored by BlackBerry. One of the big promoters of top posting (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting). :) Sorry to bother you. I will stop now. Erwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Frank Hrebabetzky-2
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The worst case is a mixture of top and bottom posting.
So a rule makes sense, no matter which one it is. -- Frank Hrebabetzky Tel. (48) 3239 2258 Photonita Ltda. http://www.photonita.com.br Brazil Chris Saunders wrote: > I happen to be a person who prefers top posted message. I have my own > reasons that suit me. Some people like to post messages with no capitol > letters, which I find annoying but I wouldn't dream of insisting that no > such messages appear before my eyes. I would suggest the person with the > original complaint should be more tolerant (maybe in general). > > Regards > Chris Saunders > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Waterlander" <waterlan@...> > To: "MinGW Users List" <mingw-users@...> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Mingw-users] Top post > > >> Op 10/21/2009 10:29 AM, Mads Dyrholm schreef: >>> It shouldn't be lost! - I personally try to follow the discussions on >>> this list. The only way that a mortal like me can follow is, knock on >>> wood, non-top-postings. >> That's also the way I prefer it. I don't disagree with that top posting >> should not be used. >> >> I don't like messages with phrases like "Don't do this, or I ignore >> you." I see them too many times. Sometimes you have to accept that >> technology is progressing and new people see things differently. >> >> Erwin >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA >> is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your >> developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay >> ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference >> _______________________________________________ >> MinGW-users mailing list >> MinGW-users@... >> >> This list observes the Etiquette found at >> http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. >> We ask that you be polite and do the same. >> >> Most annoying abuses are: >> 1) Top posting >> 2) Thread hijacking >> 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail >> 4) Improper quoting >> 5) Improper trimming >> _______________________________________________ >> You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > MinGW-users mailing list > MinGW-users@... > > This list observes the Etiquette found at > http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. > We ask that you be polite and do the same. > > Most annoying abuses are: > 1) Top posting > 2) Thread hijacking > 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail > 4) Improper quoting > 5) Improper trimming > _______________________________________________ > You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Earnie Boyd-2
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Quoting Chris Saunders <evas@...>:
> I happen to be a person who prefers top posted message. I have my own > reasons that suit me. Some people like to post messages with no capitol > letters, which I find annoying but I wouldn't dream of insisting that no > such messages appear before my eyes. I would suggest the person with the > original complaint should be more tolerant (maybe in general). > It isn't polite for you to insist on your preference over this list's preferences. Being impolite in this list is a sure method for the moderator to check the box on your account that says moderate. Please be polite and follow this list's mannerisms. Earnie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Earnie Boyd-2
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Quoting Frank Hrebabetzky <frank@...>:
> The worst case is a mixture of top and bottom posting. > So a rule makes sense, no matter which one it is. It isn't top vs bottom it is top vs inline. Inline breaks your responses to the original into a more readable format. It helps when you use inline responses when someone finds your post online without finding the originals. They can follow better because of language syntax flow. Earnie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Chris Saunders-4
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Are you the moderator of this list? I have been a member for quite some
time and have seen many top posted messages. They have not generally been replied to by a scolding. My guess is that the majority are not obsessed by this. Regards Chris Saunders ----- Original Message ----- From: <earnie@...> To: <mingw-users@...> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Mingw-users] Top post > Quoting Chris Saunders <evas@...>: > >> I happen to be a person who prefers top posted message. I have my own >> reasons that suit me. Some people like to post messages with no capitol >> letters, which I find annoying but I wouldn't dream of insisting that no >> such messages appear before my eyes. I would suggest the person with the >> original complaint should be more tolerant (maybe in general). >> > > It isn't polite for you to insist on your preference over this list's > preferences. Being impolite in this list is a sure method for the > moderator to check the box on your account that says moderate. Please > be polite and follow this list's mannerisms. > > Earnie > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > MinGW-users mailing list > MinGW-users@... > > This list observes the Etiquette found at > http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. > We ask that you be polite and do the same. > > Most annoying abuses are: > 1) Top posting > 2) Thread hijacking > 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail > 4) Improper quoting > 5) Improper trimming > _______________________________________________ > You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Erwin Waterlander-2
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Op 10/22/2009 06:07 AM, Ross Ridge schreef:
> Which is why top posting is discouraged, and HTML is prohibitted. On a > public mailing list like this, they would hinder communication much more > often than not. > > It's OK to politely discourage top posting and html, but it should never be a reason to start ignoring people. Most important is the content and to help each other. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Lloyd Sargent-2
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On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:07 PM, Ross Ridge wrote:
> Erwin Waterlander writes: > > No, it's not quite like that. As the Wikipedia article explains, it's > a practice that's very common in private business correspondence, > where > it makes a lot of sense. It's leaked over to certain mailing lists, > but when messages are publically archived it doesn't make as much > sense > for every message to contain a complete history of the thread. For > that > reason, top posting non-existent on WWW forums, and that's where most > public discussion happens these days. Hmmm... your reasoning is flawed. Most mail in private corporations is kept for archival purposes - partially CYA and partially for the reason that after 5 years and multiple projects, details get a little fuzzy. Nor, in my opinion, does it make any more sense for private mail to contain a archive of every previous email (most mail readers ARE smart enough to thread topics). However, trying to change private business is difficult. Changing business habits is even more difficult. No, the REAL culprit is, in my opinion, your email client. By positioning the cursor at the top (rather than bottom) it has helped foster a "top post" culture. Worse, if you were to draw a timeline with the top representing a date and the bottom representing a date, MOST PEOPLE would choose the top to represent NOW and the bottom to represent the PAST (I'm aware that there are some that would do the opposite, but they are probably also the same folks that prefer RPN calculators :) From a human standpoint, you are fighting a losing battle. To call it "etiquette" is only what the majority thinks -- when the majority begins to top post, it will be the bottom posters who are indeed the ones breaking etiquette. Top-post/bottom-post, I don't care one way or the other. I believe, however, the hackers of old (that includes myself, BTW) need to realize that in a day and age when we DEPEND on as many people contributing to a project, that it is insane to be in any shape, way, or form to be exclusionary. Cheers, Lloyd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Earnie Boyd-2
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Quoting Ross Ridge <rridge@...>:
> > Which is why top posting is discouraged, and HTML is prohibitted. On a > public mailing list like this, they would hinder communication much more > often than not. > Well stated Ross. Thank you for your support. Earnie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Earnie Boyd-2
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Quoting Chris Saunders <evas@...>:
> Are you the moderator of this list? I have been a member for quite some > time and have seen many top posted messages. They have not generally been > replied to by a scolding. My guess is that the majority are not obsessed by > this. > I can be if you force me to be. I'm one of a few that can moderate the list and set your account to be moderated. Note that the few of us who do moderate the list do so rather infrequently so your post might sit in queue for a while. And as for me personally, I've not had time to even read the list recently. Your irreverent tone just raised my moderator hair on end. Either be polite and conform or be moderated. We hope that the trailing characters should be enough for people who use a service to follow the desires of the service creators. If the users of the service do not want to follow those desires it is in the interest of the service creators to removed the abusers. But we do not wish to cause disparity we wish to to communicate here and be prideful in your communication. This list is public and your current or prospective employers can see your communique and your relationship to others. It could influence decisions in your life in other ways than a little inconvenience to be conformant. In the end, it is your decision whether to be conformant with the desires of this lists creators. It is your decision on whether or not you want your current employer, prospective employer or prospective client to notice your public nonconformity. Earnie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Benjamin Riefenstahl
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Hi Erwin,
Just a short note. Erwin Waterlander writes: > It's OK to politely discourage top posting and html, but it should > never be a reason to start ignoring people. You seem to think that people ignore top-posting messages because they want to be mean. I myself tend to ignore messages that I don't understand within a short amount of time. That happens fairly often with top-posting messages. No meanness involved, I just prefer to spend my time on other things than parsing badly written mails. benny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Erwin Waterlander-2
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Benjamin Riefenstahl schreef:
> > You seem to think that people ignore top-posting messages because they > want to be mean. I myself tend to ignore messages that I don't > understand within a short amount of time. That happens fairly often > with top-posting messages. No meanness involved, I just prefer to spend > my time on other things than parsing badly written mails. > > benny > Then you must have a hard time at work and communicating with friends. I think that an average MinGW hacker is intelligent enough to extract the relevant content. As time passes more newcomers will come with top posts. There is no way stopping this. One day, when all early Usenet users are retired, nobody will complain any more. Just be tolerant and accept that (bearded) rules change over time. Don't threaten people that they will be ignored. regards, -- Erwin Waterlander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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Re: Top post
by Benjamin Riefenstahl
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Hi Erwin,
> Benjamin Riefenstahl schreef: >> I myself tend to ignore messages that I don't understand within a >> short amount of time. Erwin Waterlander writes: > Then you must have a hard time at work and communicating with friends. I am not talking here about work colleages or friends. In those cases I will usually pick up the phone or just walk over to their office when this happens. I am talking about complete strangers on a mailing list that would like some input from me about a problem they have. I can make an effort and put work into understanding what they might want, more than the effort that they have put into writing the message. But usually I won't. The way I read a mailing list is this: Skim the messages, see what is interesting, skip everything that does not interest me or that I do not immediately understand. I would be very surprised if this is not how a lot of people read a mailing list. > As time passes more newcomers will come with top posts. There is no > way stopping this. I personally don't need to stop anybody. When I find that a mailing list does not contain enough enjoyable content, I will drop it and find some other forum. The internet is a large place and I am sure I will continue to find stuff that is interesting to me for a long time to come. It is different for people that have put effort and their own free time into a project. They are understandably annoyed, when the quality of the mailing list for their project goes down. benny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ MinGW-users mailing list MinGW-users@... This list observes the Etiquette found at http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. We ask that you be polite and do the same. Most annoying abuses are: 1) Top posting 2) Thread hijacking 3) HTML/MIME encoded mail 4) Improper quoting 5) Improper trimming _______________________________________________ You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users |
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