Top things to do after installing Karmic

[Danny Piccirillo]

Hey guys,

I put a lot of time into this post and i was wondering if you could give me
your feedback: Top things to do after installing Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic
Koala<http://www.reddit.com/tb/9z2xk/>

 <http://www.reddit.com/tb/9z2xk/>It's a big list of mostly applications to
try out-- should be something in there for everyone =] If you like it, i'm
trying really hard to get this up on
reddit<http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9z2xk/top_things_to_do_after_installing_ubuntu_linux/>
/digg<http://digg.com/linux_unix/Top_things_to_do_after_installing_Ubuntu_9_10_Karmic_Koala_2>
so
upvotes and (re)tweets <http://twitter.com/DPic/status/5268183056>(or
identi.ca <http://identi.ca/notice/13253178>) are GREATLY appreciated!
Thanks so much, the feedback so far has made this really worthwhile

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[theBlueSage]

On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 17:53 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> I put a lot of time into this post and i was wondering if you could give me
> your feedback: Top things to do after installing Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic
> Koala<http://www.reddit.com/tb/9z2xk/>
>

nice article, have my upgrade planned for this weekend :)

How did sound work out for you? do you use PulseAudio,? is it fixed yet
in Ubuntu?



Richard

> <http://www.reddit.com/tb/9z2xk/>It's a big list of mostly applications to
> try out-- should be something in there for everyone =] If you like it, i'm
> trying really hard to get this up on
> reddit<http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9z2xk/top_things_to_do_after_installing_ubuntu_linux/>
> /digg<http://digg.com/linux_unix/Top_things_to_do_after_installing_Ubuntu_9_10_Karmic_Koala_2>
> so
> upvotes and (re)tweets <http://twitter.com/DPic/status/5268183056>(or
> identi.ca <http://identi.ca/notice/13253178>) are GREATLY appreciated!
> Thanks so much, the feedback so far has made this really worthwhile
>

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[Danny Piccirillo]

Wow, thank you everyone! The response to this post has been overwhelming. I
*am* taking criticisms and feedback into consideration and making
appropriate fixes.

I was really hoping i could get this to the frontpage of digg (even though
we all know reddit is better), so i promise this is the last time i'll
mention this: if anyone doesn't mind promoting this for me, it'd be greatly
greatly appreciated!
http://digg.com/linux_unix/Top_things_to_do_after_installing_Ubuntu_9_10_Karmic_Koala_2

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 17:45, John Abbott <fewclues@...> wrote:

>  Danny,
>     Great page!  I've sent out a note to my LUG to view it before they jump
> on 9.10
>
>     And - Sleeping bag inversion only works in a cool climate otherwise
> you're going to sweat.  And no bamboo mat for me - if I can't sleep on my
> Tempur-pedic memory foam I'm staying up!
>
> John
>
>
> On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 17:30 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
>
>
>  I put a lot of time into this post and i was wondering if you could give
> me your feedback: Top things to do after installing Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic
> Koala <http://www.reddit.com/tb/9z2xk/>
>
>
>
>  It's a big list of mostly applications to try out-- should be something
> in there for everyone =] If you like it, i'm trying really hard to get this
> up on reddit<http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9z2xk/top_things_to_do_after_installing_ubuntu_linux/>
> /digg<http://digg.com/linux_unix/Top_things_to_do_after_installing_Ubuntu_9_10_Karmic_Koala_2> so
> upvotes and (re)tweets <http://twitter.com/DPic/status/5268183056>(or
> identi.ca <http://identi.ca/notice/13253178>) are GREATLY appreciated!
> Thanks so much, the feedback so far has made this really worthwhile
>
>
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[Randy Cole]

I am very disappointed with the Ubuntu upgrade process this time.  
After attempting to perform a distribution upgrade, I find it would be
much faster to download the CD using bittorrent.  After downloading the
desktop cd, I find out I need the "Alternate" CD.   So I download that.
I run the cdupgrade script, which gives me the option of allowing
packages to also download over the network.  I say yes.  But it says 1+
day.  (Why would I need to download so many packages on day zero)?  So I
cancel, re-run the script and say no.  Still downloads.  I untar the
python, type
./karmic --cdrom=/cdrom --without-network .  It still downloads from the
network!!!

Also, version upgrade "terminal" window doesn't open, unlike the window
in regular updates.

It should finish downloading the packages in either 10 hours, or 2 days,
1 hour.

Yuck.

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[Jerry Feldman-2]

I performed the upgrade to Karmic beta the other day. My network at work
really sucks (and I am doing something about it, but it takes time). The
upgrade took about 12 or so hours, and yesterday I got the bits to
upgrade to the production Karmic. So far, not a lot of issues, but I
have not really done much. I did reinstall Vbox 3 since Karmic installed
OSE. Sound works ok. Next month I'll see if I can get connected to the
overhead projector in 325. I've never had trouble with the MIT
projectors until last September, but that is an issue for later.

On 10/30/2009 05:29 AM, Randy Cole wrote:

> I am very disappointed with the Ubuntu upgrade process this time.  
> After attempting to perform a distribution upgrade, I find it would be
> much faster to download the CD using bittorrent.  After downloading the
> desktop cd, I find out I need the "Alternate" CD.   So I download that.
> I run the cdupgrade script, which gives me the option of allowing
> packages to also download over the network.  I say yes.  But it says 1+
> day.  (Why would I need to download so many packages on day zero)?  So I
> cancel, re-run the script and say no.  Still downloads.  I untar the
> python, type
> ./karmic --cdrom=/cdrom --without-network .  It still downloads from the
> network!!!
>
> Also, version upgrade "terminal" window doesn't open, unlike the window
> in regular updates.
>
> It should finish downloading the packages in either 10 hours, or 2 days,
> 1 hour.
>
>  

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[Randy Cole]

It only took 1 hour to download the CD via bittorrent.  And I told the
update not to use the network, just the CD.  So the script is ignoring
it's own flags.  There is no need to download the files again.

RCN seems to throttle torrents and other downloads after a while.  They
slow down, then if you reset the cable modem it gets faster.

Do you have the models of the offending MIT projectors?

-r


Jerry Feldman wrote:

> I performed the upgrade to Karmic beta the other day. My network at work
> really sucks (and I am doing something about it, but it takes time). The
> upgrade took about 12 or so hours, and yesterday I got the bits to
> upgrade to the production Karmic. So far, not a lot of issues, but I
> have not really done much. I did reinstall Vbox 3 since Karmic installed
> OSE. Sound works ok. Next month I'll see if I can get connected to the
> overhead projector in 325. I've never had trouble with the MIT
> projectors until last September, but that is an issue for later.
>
> On 10/30/2009 05:29 AM, Randy Cole wrote:
>  
>> I am very disappointed with the Ubuntu upgrade process this time.  
>> After attempting to perform a distribution upgrade, I find it would be
>> much faster to download the CD using bittorrent.  After downloading the
>> desktop cd, I find out I need the "Alternate" CD.   So I download that.
>> I run the cdupgrade script, which gives me the option of allowing
>> packages to also download over the network.  I say yes.  But it says 1+
>> day.  (Why would I need to download so many packages on day zero)?  So I
>> cancel, re-run the script and say no.  Still downloads.  I untar the
>> python, type
>> ./karmic --cdrom=/cdrom --without-network .  It still downloads from the
>> network!!!
>>
>> Also, version upgrade "terminal" window doesn't open, unlike the window
>> in regular updates.
>>
>> It should finish downloading the packages in either 10 hours, or 2 days,
>> 1 hour.
>>
>>  
>>    
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[David Hummel-2]

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Randy Cole <randyokc@...> wrote:
> I am very disappointed with the Ubuntu upgrade process this time.
> After attempting to perform a distribution upgrade, I find it would be
> much faster to download the CD using bittorrent.

I think you're complaining about network performance, not the upgrade
process (which btw is one of the most seamless out there).  Especially
if you're using the default mirrors, which were very busy due to the
release yesterday...
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[Jerry Feldman-2]

1. Looks like there might be a bug in Ubuntu's script. However, the
Ubuntu CDs do not contain all the bits for most installations, but it
should have at least warned you.

2. Comcast has been criticized for this also. In general, what has been
your experience with RCN. Currently at work our connection is throttled
to 2Mbps shared (and I'm not going into what we pay monthly for rent).
In any case our alternatives are to either get one or more T1s, or RCN.
RCN will save us a few hundred $$ per month with a 20Mbps/2Mbps cable
connection. Currently we do have RCN on our floor and in our computer
room for another client, so installation is no problem.

3. I don't know the model numbers. It looks like MIT upgraded all their
projectors in E-51 (or at least in the rooms we use). I'll play around
with it next meeting and possibly at the installfest (the classroom next
door has an overhead).

On 10/30/2009 08:24 AM, Randy Cole wrote:

> It only took 1 hour to download the CD via bittorrent.  And I told the
> update not to use the network, just the CD.  So the script is ignoring
> it's own flags.  There is no need to download the files again.
>
> RCN seems to throttle torrents and other downloads after a while.  They
> slow down, then if you reset the cable modem it gets faster.
>
> Do you have the models of the offending MIT projectors?
>
> -r
>
>
> Jerry Feldman wrote:
>  
>> I performed the upgrade to Karmic beta the other day. My network at work
>> really sucks (and I am doing something about it, but it takes time). The
>> upgrade took about 12 or so hours, and yesterday I got the bits to
>> upgrade to the production Karmic. So far, not a lot of issues, but I
>> have not really done much. I did reinstall Vbox 3 since Karmic installed
>> OSE. Sound works ok. Next month I'll see if I can get connected to the
>> overhead projector in 325. I've never had trouble with the MIT
>> projectors until last September, but that is an issue for later.
>>    

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[Robert Krawitz-2]

   Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:50:14 -0400
   From: David Hummel <lemmuh@...>

   On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Randy Cole <randyokc@...> wrote:
   > I am very disappointed with the Ubuntu upgrade process this time.
   > After attempting to perform a distribution upgrade, I find it would be
   > much faster to download the CD using bittorrent.

   I think you're complaining about network performance, not the
   upgrade process (which btw is one of the most seamless out there).
   Especially if you're using the default mirrors, which were very
   busy due to the release yesterday...

If you have multiple local systems and a relatively slow network
connection, having to download everything is very inefficient.  I have
two machines running OpenSUSE, and rather than use online update I
download everything and use smart to install things.

(I'm surely downloading far more data than I would by pointing at the
remote repositories -- but the way I do it does all the downloading
overnight, so it takes much less of my time.)

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[David Hummel-2]

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Robert Krawitz <rlk@...> wrote:
>
> If you have multiple local systems and a relatively slow network
> connection, having to download everything is very inefficient.

In this case I would use something like apt-cacher:

http://www.nick-andrew.net/projects/apt-cacher/
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[Tim Callaghan]

RCN has always been fantastic for me.  I've got 20/2 service and always get
around 1.7MB/s when bit-torrenting distro ISOs.  I've never seen any
throttling.

-Tim

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Jerry Feldman <gaf@...> wrote:

> 1. Looks like there might be a bug in Ubuntu's script. However, the
> Ubuntu CDs do not contain all the bits for most installations, but it
> should have at least warned you.
>
> 2. Comcast has been criticized for this also. In general, what has been
> your experience with RCN. Currently at work our connection is throttled
> to 2Mbps shared (and I'm not going into what we pay monthly for rent).
> In any case our alternatives are to either get one or more T1s, or RCN.
> RCN will save us a few hundred $$ per month with a 20Mbps/2Mbps cable
> connection. Currently we do have RCN on our floor and in our computer
> room for another client, so installation is no problem.
>
> 3. I don't know the model numbers. It looks like MIT upgraded all their
> projectors in E-51 (or at least in the rooms we use). I'll play around
> with it next meeting and possibly at the installfest (the classroom next
> door has an overhead).
>
> On 10/30/2009 08:24 AM, Randy Cole wrote:
> > It only took 1 hour to download the CD via bittorrent.  And I told the
> > update not to use the network, just the CD.  So the script is ignoring
> > it's own flags.  There is no need to download the files again.
> >
> > RCN seems to throttle torrents and other downloads after a while.  They
> > slow down, then if you reset the cable modem it gets faster.
> >
> > Do you have the models of the offending MIT projectors?
> >
> > -r
> >
> >
> > Jerry Feldman wrote:
> >
> >> I performed the upgrade to Karmic beta the other day. My network at work
> >> really sucks (and I am doing something about it, but it takes time). The
> >> upgrade took about 12 or so hours, and yesterday I got the bits to
> >> upgrade to the production Karmic. So far, not a lot of issues, but I
> >> have not really done much. I did reinstall Vbox 3 since Karmic installed
> >> OSE. Sound works ok. Next month I'll see if I can get connected to the
> >> overhead projector in 325. I've never had trouble with the MIT
> >> projectors until last September, but that is an issue for later.
> >>
>
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> Boston Linux and Unix
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[Richard Pieri]

On Oct 30, 2009, at 5:29 AM, Randy Cole wrote:
> day.  (Why would I need to download so many packages on day zero)?  
> So I

How much stuff have you installed that was not on your original  
install CD image?  Any KDE for example?  That's why.  It may be too  
late for you now, but Karmic has DVD images available.  Those should  
have less need for tapping the network to do the upgrade.

--Rich P.

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