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	Transitional validation Problem by Hamish :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi All, Newbie at validation, I have been trying to work out what's wrong with the following Document type which is throwing errors on a number of pages. Any ideas much appreciated Hamish "DOCTYPE" declaration not allowed in instance. <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.or and document type does not allow element "html" here. <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> from the following code <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" /> <title>Up Date External Examiners</title> <link href="Course_Buttons/UniStyle.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" /> </head> <body> <center><h1> </h1> <h1>Up Date External Examiners </h1> <?php ob_start(); include ("opendbincludeA.php"); $result=mysql_query("SELECT * FROM E_Examiner ORDER BY SName"); while ($rec = mysql_fetch_array($result)) { echo("ID Number: " . $rec["ID_Number"] . "<br />"); echo("Name: " . $rec["Title"]. " " . $rec ["FirstName"] . " " .$rec["SName"]. " " ."<br />"); echo("email Address: " . $rec["emailAddress"] . "<br />"); echo("Te No: " . $rec["TelNo"] . "<br />"); echo("Company Name: " . $rec["CompanyName"] . "<br />"); echo("Address1: " . $rec["CStreet"] . "<br />"); echo("Address2: " . $rec["CArea"] . "<br />"); echo("Town: " . $rec["CTown"] . "<br />"); echo("County: " . $rec["CCounty"] . "<br />"); echo("Post Code: " . $rec["CPostCode"] . "<br />"); echo 'Update<hr />' ; } ob_end_flush(); ?> </center> </body> </html>
	Re: Transitional validation Problem by Jukka K. Korpela :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On Tue, 15 May 2007, Hamish wrote: > I have been trying to work out what's wrong with the following Document type > which is throwing errors on a number of pages. Please post the URL of your document. Your description was obscure, because it mixed a copy of your PHP file (which is _not_ what gets sent to a browser or a validator, or at least shouldn't be) and the error message. -- Jukka "Yucca" Korpela, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
	Re: Transitional validation Problem by Andreas Prilop-3 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On Tue, 15 May 2007, Hamish wrote: > I have been trying to work out what's wrong with the following Document type > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" It is stupid! If you want XHTML 1.0 (for new pages), then use XHTML 1.0 Strict. If you need Transitional (for old pages), then stick with HTML 4 Transitional. XHTML 1.0 Transitional is a clueless-indicator. The real difference is between "Strict" and "Transitional", not between HTML 4 and XHTML 1.0. You should make an effort to write "Strict" pages: HTML 4 Strict or XHTML 1.0 Strict. -- In memoriam Alan J. Flavell http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=author:Alan.J.Flavell
	Re: Transitional validation Problem by Robert T Wyatt-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> There's no reason why this should not work unless you have some sort of zero-width characters hidden in the declaration. Andreas Prilop wrote: > On Tue, 15 May 2007, Hamish wrote: > >> I have been trying to work out what's wrong with the following Document type >> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" > > It is stupid! > If you want XHTML 1.0 (for new pages), then use XHTML 1.0 Strict. > If you need Transitional (for old pages), then stick with > HTML 4 Transitional. > > XHTML 1.0 Transitional is a clueless-indicator. > > The real difference is between "Strict" and "Transitional", > not between HTML 4 and XHTML 1.0. You should make an effort > to write "Strict" pages: HTML 4 Strict or XHTML 1.0 Strict. >
	Re: Transitional validation Problem by Hamish :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message The URL is http://osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/~ca8gol/updateExternal.php I have several pages that have the same error message, all use php to return the results of a query on a MySQL db. Jukka K. Korpela wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2007, Hamish wrote: > I have been trying to work out what's wrong with the following Document type > which is throwing errors on a number of pages. Please post the URL of your document. Your description was obscure, because it mixed a copy of your PHP file (which is _not_ what gets sent to a browser or a validator, or at least shouldn't be) and the error message. -- Jukka "Yucca" Korpela, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
	Re: Transitional validation Problem by Drake Wilson-3 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message (Resending to list since I made a mistake on the first Cc; sorry for resultant screwiness.) Quoth Hamish <gno@...>, on 2007-05-15 10:53:01 -0700: > The URL is http://osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/~ca8gol/updateExternal.php > > I have several pages that have the same error message, all use php to return > the results of a query on a MySQL db. Did you actually look at the source of the output page? """ <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" /> <title>Up Date External Examiners</title> <link href="Course_Buttons/UniStyle.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" /> </head> <body> <center><h1> </h1> <h1>Up Date External Examiners </h1> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" /> <title>Connection</title> </head> <body> </body> </html> """ Notice how you have another DOCTYPE declaration and entire <html /> inside the original <body /> tag. Don't do that. ---> Drake Wilson signature.asc (196 bytes) Download Attachment
	Re: Transitional validation Problem by Hamish :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. You are quite right I hadn't thought of looking at the source output. The reason that there is a second Doc declaration in the code comes from the php"include file" which I had not removed the Doc description from the top. Thanks to all for the input. Now sorted, will remember not to do that again. Regards Hamish Drake Wilson-3 wrote: (Resending to list since I made a mistake on the first Cc; sorry for resultant screwiness.) Quoth Hamish <gno@gavinoliver.co.uk>, on 2007-05-15 10:53:01 -0700: > The URL is http://osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/~ca8gol/updateExternal.php > > I have several pages that have the same error message, all use php to return > the results of a query on a MySQL db. Did you actually look at the source of the output page? """ <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" /> <title>Up Date External Examiners</title> <link href="Course_Buttons/UniStyle.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" /> </head> <body> <center><h1> </h1> <h1>Up Date External Examiners </h1> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" /> <title>Connection</title> </head> <body> </body> </html> """ Notice how you have another DOCTYPE declaration and entire <html /> inside the original <body /> tag. Don't do that. ---> Drake Wilson
	Re: Transitional validation Problem by olivier Thereaux :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hello Andreas, hi all. On May 16, 2007, at 00:11 , Andreas Prilop wrote: > On Tue, 15 May 2007, Hamish wrote: > >> I have been trying to work out what's wrong with the following >> Document type >> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" > > It is stupid! > If you want XHTML 1.0 (for new pages), then use XHTML 1.0 Strict. > If you need Transitional (for old pages), then stick with > HTML 4 Transitional. Andreas, I recall asking you about this in the past... While you have the right to your opinions, and in this forum discussion and debate are OK, I really don't think your repeated usage of the word "stupid" (or "clueless") when someone uses a document type you don't like, or makes a mistake, is constructive. Let us not forget that in the eyes of newbies, you are replying on the behalf of all the validator community at w3c. Calling them or their choices stupid is only going to alienate them, so please, don't. I am copying the mailing-list to remind everyone: this is a public mailing-list, and usual politeness and etiquette apply. Let's all play nice. Thank you. -- olivier