Nabble - Troopmaster Users

Re: Pack Master

2009-11-12T06:32:01Z

WHOA...Nellie...I mean Brenda,

Kinda puttin' the cart before the horse there aren't ya?

They probably won't be doing that until the new Academic and Sports Belt Loops and Pins are OFFICIALLY released and readily available to the public.

As it stands right now, I'm not aware of any Council that even has the Official Documentation or New Books with the requirements for the New ones yet.

I'd say, when that happens, then TSI will update to accomodate.

Ken
SM-Troop 57
MC-Pack 57

--- In TMTUG@..., brenda kourpias <bkourpias@...> wrote:

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Re: Pack Master

2009-11-12T04:00:23Z

When will Pack Master update the new belt loops???

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Re: Opinion sought related to merit badge rules

2009-11-11T14:53:58Z

Buddy, isn't that the truth!

Ken

--- In TMTUG@..., Matt Price <admyank@...> wrote:

"There are some things that are inferred, that you will not find implicit language for in any documentation."

Matt Price

Re: Opinion sought related to merit badge rules

2009-11-11T14:43:31Z

David,

The scouting program is age appropirate, thereby, when we speak about
Cub Scouting, and Webelos, they are in the Cub Scouting Program.
They_/* can not*/_ work on Boy Scout Requirements.

When they are registered in the Boy Scouting Program they work on the
Boy Scout Requirements, not Cub Scout reqiurements. The requirements
for Scout are nearly identical for the Arrow of Light, in which if a
scoutmaster is doing the advancement correctly.

A Venture Patrol can not get credit for Venturing Awards either unless
they are registered in the Venturing Program. The Venture Patrol is
Strictly Boy Scout Specific Requirements.

A Boy Scout can not get credit on Venturing awards unless they are
registered in the Venturing program and of appropriate age.

There are some things that are inferred, that you will not find implicit
language for in any documentation.

Matt Price

David Wildschuetz wrote:

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> Maybe I read the statement different than you, but I thought the
> statement was not asking if a Webe 2 could work on a merit badge ,but
> instead could a Scout could use past experience which occured when the
> Scout was a Webe 2 toward a merit badge now (i.e. a family trip to
> Washington DC where they visit the Washington Monument for CITN Req 2a).
> I do not found anything in writing (although I have not read all BSA
> publications) that states anything one way or the other.
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> David
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> *From:* L C <boots4hiking@...>
> *To:* TMTUG@...
> *Sent:* Wed, November 11, 2009 11:47:25 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [TMTUG] Opinion sought related to merit badge rules
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> Webelos II cannot work on merit badges until they have joined a Boy
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Re: Opinion sought related to merit badge rules

2009-11-11T14:33:42Z

Scout advancement requirements have to be met by the Scout when he's a Scout.

As L C said, "Webelos II cannot work on merit badges until they have joined a Boy Scout troop." Counting Webe 2 activity for a Scout requirement is the equivalent.

To state the obvious: experience/activity as an infant, toddler, preschooler, or early gradeschooler can't count either, by the same logic.

Jim
--- In TMTUG@..., David Wildschuetz <shamanlsn@...> wrote:

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> Maybe I read the statement different than you, but I thought the statement was not asking if a Webe 2 could work on a merit badge ,but instead could a Scout could use past experience which occured when the Scout was a Webe 2 toward a merit badge now (i.e. a family trip to Washington DC where they visit the Washington Monument for CITN Req 2a).
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> I do not found anything in writing (although I have not read all BSA publications) that states anything one way or the other.
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> David
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> From: L C <boots4hiking@...>
> To: TMTUG@...
> Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 11:47:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Opinion sought related to merit badge rules
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> Webelos II cannot work on merit badges until they have joined a Boy Scout troop.
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Re: Opinion sought related to merit badge rules

2009-11-11T11:32:07Z

Maybe I read the statement different than you, but I thought the statement was not asking if a Webe 2 could work on a merit badge ,but instead could a Scout could use past experience which occured when the Scout was a Webe 2 toward a merit badge now (i.e. a family trip to Washington DC where they visit the Washington Monument for CITN Req 2a).

I do not found anything in writing (although I have not read all BSA publications) that states anything one way or the other.

David

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From: L C <boots4hiking@...>
To: TMTUG@...
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 11:47:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Opinion sought related to merit badge rules

Webelos II cannot work on merit badges until they have joined a Boy Scout troop.

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Re: Opinion sought related to merit badge rules

2009-11-11T09:47:25Z

Webelos II cannot work on merit badges until they have joined a Boy Scout troop.

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, GANTTE <gantte@...> wrote:

From: GANTTE <gantte@...>
Subject: [TMTUG] Opinion sought related to merit badge rules
To: TMTUG@...
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:23 PM

I would like to submit to this group, a topic for discussion.
I am an experienced Scouter, I have completed many BSA training classes, and have myself TAUGHT Merit Badge Counselor Orientation.

But there is an area related to merit badges, that has never really been answered and I'll lay out the scenario, and ask for opinions.

Please be civil in your replies and honor the opinions of others, but also please take time to HAVE an opinion and share it with this group, so that we may all benefit from the collective wisdom.

The core question is, "Can a boy Scout use experiences/ activities from
his past, in completion of a merit badge's requirements? "

We all know, that a Scout may not begin working on a badge, until his Unit Leader has signed his blue card (or the local unit equivalent to the blue card). Does that mean that ANY "work", even if it was coincidental, could not be allowed for completion of the badge?

I'll give an example:
Citizenship in the Nation MB.
Requirement Two is listed, far below.

So to highlight my question, let's say a Scout and his family take a trip to Washington DC over the summer for family vacation. Among many of the sights, they visit the Washington Monument. Before and during their trip, this Scout had not started Cit/Nation and had not received permission to do so.

So one month later, summer is over, and he comes to a Scout meeting and gets a signed blue card from his Unit Leader to start Cit/Nation and is also assigned a MB Counselor. For the sake of this example, lets also say it's been four weeks since his family trip.

Would it be acceptable for him to complete requirement 2.1, by choosing his visit to the Washington monument, and tell his counselor what he learned about the site and what was interesting?

Or would the rules ONLY allow the Scout to do the requirements AFTER he received permission to start?

Now... it seems to me that good judgment would allow this Scout to use
that trip from last month. If we are still in agreement, then what if the trip to Wash. DC was a year ago, or three years ago... would he still be allowed to use that trip for this requirement?

Example two:
What if the Scout was a Webelos II, four months from bridging into a Troop. They went on an activity, say to Patriot's Point, where they participated in an Oceanography program and covered many of the requirements for Oceanography. Again, they are Webelos. They will bridge in four months. They did not ask for permission and therefore were not given permission to work on a Boy Scout merit badge. Would it be acceptable to take their experiences, in say four months and apply it to Oceanography merit badge and get partial credit toward that once they bridge and join a Boy Scout Troop.

OK, what say you?

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Citizenship in the Nation MB, requirement Two:

(2) Do TWO of the following:

1. Visit a place that is listed as a National Historic Landmark or that is on the National Register of Historic Places. Tell your counselor what you learned about the landmark or site and what you found interesting about it.
2. Tour your state capitol building or the U.S. Capitol. Tell your counselor what you learned about the capitol, its function, and the history.
3. Tour a federal facility. Explain to your counselor what you saw there and what you learned about its function in the local community and how it serves this nation.
4. Choose a national monument that interests you. Using books, brochures, the Internet (with your parent's permission), and other resources, find out more about the monument. Tell your counselor what you learned, and explain why the monument is important to this country's citizens.

Well Done TSI

2009-11-11T09:28:04Z

Dear all, I'm going to step in here once again and say thank you all at TSI
that make this software possible. It always amazes me that we can find so
much time and effort to "pick holes" in Troopmaster and whine about the
cost. This suite of programs saves me and other volunteers hundreds if not
thousands of dollars in time and effort. Keep up the good work TSI. Charge
more if you need to for the software as it is worth every penny. Pete Kenny
T140.

Re: Re: TroopMaster Web

2009-11-11T09:15:19Z

Suggest doing it as requested mention it, if they come up and ask then go ahead and create one if they never ask don't worry about the time of creating one.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Marr <gregm@...>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:57:58
To: <TMTUG@...>
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Re: TroopMaster Web

At 11:39 AM 11/11/2009, GANTTE wrote:
>But I wonder if giving parent/scouts access to this, just trades one
>job for a new one, administrating all those new user accounts...

Someone else posted this earlier:

>Another nice feature would be to have a item that would allow you to
>generate users and passwords for each group member instead of having
>to create them one by one.
>
>All in all, I will give the program a E for effort, but still has a
>ways to go. I encourage TM to move forward on this project!
>
>Thanks
>Tim

That's what SOAR does now for website account when synched with
TroopMaster.

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Greg Marr
gregm@...

Re: Re: TroopMaster Web

2009-11-11T09:11:25Z

We are in the same boat, the data base coordinator will take that on task, but after its all in, the work load is over especially if they all have read only access (they can still print), they need to check info they can and leaders with access doesn't have to get of task and get the information for them they can look for themselves via the web, and this helps the scout understand and pace his program for things he wants to accomplish in his scouting ventures. . Just my opinion.
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-----Original Message-----
From: "GANTTE" <gantte@...>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:39:47
To: <TMTUG@...>
Subject: [TMTUG] Re: TroopMaster Web

wow... thank you...

250?! Let's see, we have 118 Scouts and 67 leaders, we should
be able to fill that almost up!

But I wonder if giving parent/scouts access to this, just trades one job for a new one, administrating all those new user accounts...

Hopefully once we dry out here in North Carolina and get back from camping this coming weekend, I'll be able to download and check all this out.

Good Scouting!

--- In TMTUG@..., "Steven Francis" <eagle_scout87@...> wrote:

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> Yes you have up to 250 user id you can set up, you can setup Password
> Protection allows you full control over users accessing your data and also
> gives you complete flexibility in controlling which areas of the database
> can be updated by each user. You can also create read-only accounts if you
> do not wish for other leaders or scouts to be making changes as well
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> From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of Greg
> Marr
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:24 AM
> To: TMTUG@...
> Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Re: TroopMaster Web
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> At 10:45 AM 11/11/2009, GANTTE wrote:
> >My question about TM Web, will this be a way to provide our parents
> >access to go link and view their Scout's records? Is there a way to
> >set up access accounts so they can only see their own Scout's
> >information?
>
> Yes, you can specify for each account you create which scouts that
> account it allowed to see.
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> --
> Greg Marr
> gregm@... <mailto:gregm%40alum.wpi.edu>
>

Re: Re: TroopMaster Web

2009-11-11T08:57:58Z

At 11:39 AM 11/11/2009, GANTTE wrote:
>But I wonder if giving parent/scouts access to this, just trades one
>job for a new one, administrating all those new user accounts...

Someone else posted this earlier:

>Another nice feature would be to have a item that would allow you to
>generate users and passwords for each group member instead of having
>to create them one by one.
>
>All in all, I will give the program a E for effort, but still has a
>ways to go. I encourage TM to move forward on this project!
>
>Thanks
>Tim

That's what SOAR does now for website account when synched with
TroopMaster.

--
Greg Marr
gregm@...

Re: TroopMaster Web

2009-11-11T08:39:47Z

wow... thank you...

250?! Let's see, we have 118 Scouts and 67 leaders, we should
be able to fill that almost up!

But I wonder if giving parent/scouts access to this, just trades one job for a new one, administrating all those new user accounts...

Hopefully once we dry out here in North Carolina and get back from camping this coming weekend, I'll be able to download and check all this out.

Good Scouting!

--- In TMTUG@..., "Steven Francis" <eagle_scout87@...> wrote:

RE: Re: TroopMaster Web

2009-11-11T08:33:34Z

Yes you have up to 250 user id you can set up, you can setup Password
Protection allows you full control over users accessing your data and also
gives you complete flexibility in controlling which areas of the database
can be updated by each user. You can also create read-only accounts if you
do not wish for other leaders or scouts to be making changes as well

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of Greg
Marr
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:24 AM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Re: TroopMaster Web

At 10:45 AM 11/11/2009, GANTTE wrote:
>My question about TM Web, will this be a way to provide our parents
>access to go link and view their Scout's records? Is there a way to
>set up access accounts so they can only see their own Scout's
>information?

Yes, you can specify for each account you create which scouts that
account it allowed to see.

--
Greg Marr
gregm@... <mailto:gregm%40alum.wpi.edu>

Re: Re: TroopMaster Web

2009-11-11T08:23:52Z

At 10:45 AM 11/11/2009, GANTTE wrote:
>My question about TM Web, will this be a way to provide our parents
>access to go link and view their Scout's records? Is there a way to
>set up access accounts so they can only see their own Scout's
>information?

Yes, you can specify for each account you create which scouts that
account it allowed to see.

--
Greg Marr
gregm@...

Re: Re: TroopMaster Web

2009-11-11T07:51:43Z

Yes there is a read only option
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-----Original Message-----
From: "GANTTE" <gantte@...>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:45:01
To: <TMTUG@...>
Subject: [TMTUG] Re: TroopMaster Web

Tim: Thank you for taking time to test TM Web and posting your
comments, observations and warnings...

I signed up, but haven't had time this week to get started...

My Troop has used Troopmaster for longer than I can remember, 13+ years at least. But we've never ventured into the "shared" options, Traveler, Dot-Net, etc. We have one leader, who is the ONLY person who has "master" rights to make changes. It works well for us. We do use the built-in Backup/Restore functions in TM and then distribute the Backups to the authorized leaders in the Troop who
then download them to their own computers. They are given full
READONLY access to view and run reports. But only one person can
make changes. That person, has a backup person (actually that's me) who fills in if/when he's out of town.

My question about TM Web, will this be a way to provide our parents
access to go link and view their Scout's records? Is there a way to set up access accounts so they can only see their own Scout's information? We have a large unit, so it would be great if there was
a way to do this, so we can spend more time with the Scouts and less
time running reports that get trashed or lost. The ability for a parent to always be able to get the latest information, would be awesome.

At the same time, giving the leadership, access to the database, without them having to load anything on their computers, would be equally as awesome. I worry, because we have leaders now, that load TM on their work computers, or home computers and then all that data is there, subject to the whims of corporate IT groups, family members and co-workers. By having this all web based (in the cloud), it would remove that concern, as the only real data, is on our master computer and I guess on TSI's web servers.

I'm not sure I have a specific question, I plan to test this soon.
Just thinking out loud on what I'd like to see in future TSI products
and ways to make the data safer/secure and yet available to those who
can benefit the most from it.

Regards --> Gantt
Troop 200 Secretary

PS: I do some professional work with databases... Your issue with the birthdates... just made me wonder if the date/time on your system and the remote TSI servers, were in sync. Just a thought.

--- In TMTUG@..., "Tim Falendysz $Mr. F$" <mrf161@...> wrote:
>
> For those who are concerned about multiple database issues, I did test drive
> the program for a little bit and I think it works similar to how TM-Traveler

Re: TroopMaster Web

2009-11-11T07:45:01Z

Tim: Thank you for taking time to test TM Web and posting your
comments, observations and warnings...

I signed up, but haven't had time this week to get started...

My Troop has used Troopmaster for longer than I can remember, 13+ years at least. But we've never ventured into the "shared" options, Traveler, Dot-Net, etc. We have one leader, who is the ONLY person who has "master" rights to make changes. It works well for us. We do use the built-in Backup/Restore functions in TM and then distribute the Backups to the authorized leaders in the Troop who
then download them to their own computers. They are given full
READONLY access to view and run reports. But only one person can
make changes. That person, has a backup person (actually that's me) who fills in if/when he's out of town.

My question about TM Web, will this be a way to provide our parents
access to go link and view their Scout's records? Is there a way to set up access accounts so they can only see their own Scout's information? We have a large unit, so it would be great if there was
a way to do this, so we can spend more time with the Scouts and less
time running reports that get trashed or lost. The ability for a parent to always be able to get the latest information, would be awesome.

At the same time, giving the leadership, access to the database, without them having to load anything on their computers, would be equally as awesome. I worry, because we have leaders now, that load TM on their work computers, or home computers and then all that data is there, subject to the whims of corporate IT groups, family members and co-workers. By having this all web based (in the cloud), it would remove that concern, as the only real data, is on our master computer and I guess on TSI's web servers.

I'm not sure I have a specific question, I plan to test this soon.
Just thinking out loud on what I'd like to see in future TSI products
and ways to make the data safer/secure and yet available to those who
can benefit the most from it.

Regards --> Gantt
Troop 200 Secretary

PS: I do some professional work with databases... Your issue with the birthdates... just made me wonder if the date/time on your system and the remote TSI servers, were in sync. Just a thought.

--- In TMTUG@..., "Tim Falendysz $Mr. F$" <mrf161@...> wrote:
>
> For those who are concerned about multiple database issues, I did test drive
> the program for a little bit and I think it works similar to how TM-Traveler

RE: Re: TroopMaster Web

2009-11-11T06:52:55Z

Well your able to update from any computer via web or smart phone (if
applicable), and you will be able to now have only one computer as the main
data base with the actual software, and they all operate together.

Example your meeting place has internet access, make this the permanent data
base location, do all your updates there at meeting place, before you sign
out sync to web site (which syncing is done between both locations hence
syncing), get home finish up what you were doing, others are doing work as
well on the web site, go back to your meeting place the following week, the
information is synced from the web site again, and you continue to update as
needed at main software location.

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of Tim
Falendysz (Mr. F)
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:34 AM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: [TMTUG] Re: TroopMaster Web

For those who are concerned about multiple database issues, I did test drive
the program for a little bit and I think it works similar to how TM-Traveler
works. Traveler didn't lock it, it synced it, but I would agree, there may
be an issue of what database gets preference.

In my brief try of the program, one thing I noticed was data integrity
issues. In the main database, my birth date was 6/4 and then on the web
based version it was 6/3. Now I am not too concerned about being a day
older, but more concerned why it would change, so I caution those using it
in BETA to be careful, keep good back-up copies, I have concerns that maybe
it is not ready for prime time, so be VERY careful about changing data and
syncing it back to LIVE data, which is always a caution when using a beta of
a program. Don't blame TM for losing your data, cause I think their
disclaimer states to BE CAREFUL.

As far as features, there are a lot of reports that would be nice to have
that are not there, but I a sure they will come with time

Did anyone else have an issue with activities?? I went there and it said
LOADING then the dates just keep counting backwards, kind of interesting.

All in all, those concerned with database concerns, you can always use it as
a one way source. How about the ability for your Patrol Leaders to have
access to VIEW their patrol's information such as advancement or a current
phone list. Even if you were just able to post the info from the database to
the web, I think it has some value which I now you can do with SOAR, but my
quick look at that was more related to posting reports.

Another nice feature would be to have a item that would allow you to
generate users and passwords for each group member instead of having to
create them one by one.

All in all, I will give the program a E for effort, but still has a ways to
go. I encourage TM to move forward on this project!

Thanks

Tim

Re: Re: Opinion sought related to merit badge rules

2009-11-11T06:36:46Z

When the scout joins our troop and before his first campout we issue him his Camping MB so ALL of his camping nights count for his Camping MB. This also gives us the opportunity to sit down and talk to him about the MB process. We can also then let him know that he should plan well in advance and anything that he does before the MB is issued that does not count.

It should be up to the scout to keep track of his camping dates and the Advancement "folks" should be there just to verify the dates for the scout.

Richard mentions below about a scout having camping under his belt before requesting Camping MB and or working on it. I see no reason why you would not issue this MB as soon as the scout joins the troop.

----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Price
To: TMTUG@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Re: Opinion sought related to merit badge rules

There is a fix to this very issue:

An ASM is the Camping Merit Badge Counselor. When he joins the troop, the Advancement and membership folks keep track of the dates camping, and what they did.

When he is ready to go for the camping merit badge, then there's no problem.

Matt Price

lioncub1956 wrote:

Agree with you Pete. Consider a scout in his second year: He spent the first year working toward First Class, went on 9 monthly campouts and a summer camp, and picked up a few merit badges along the way. Now as a First Class Scout in his second year, he begins looking toward Star and its requirements. He needs the Camping Merit Badge! He gets the blue card and meets his counselor. Would anyone not count his campouts with the troop in the previous year. Would anyone insist that he begin counting campouts only from the date on his blue card? The prior campouts would be work already started or accomplished. The only "reasonable" alternative would be to issue all Eagle MB blue cards as soon as the scout joins the troop.
YIS,
Richard Hix
Asst SM
Troop Advancements Ch
Membership Ch
Former CM, MC, etc.

--- In TMTUG@..., Pete & Kathi Knope <knope@...> wrote:
>
> As the BSA Requirements Book already says:
>
> You should also discuss work that you have already started or possibly
> completed.
> At the first meeting, you and your merit badge counselor will review and
> may start working on the requirements. In some cases, you may share with
> your counselor the work that you have already started or accomplished.
> Unless otherwise specified, work for a requirement can be started at any
> time.
>
> The Merit Badge Counselor is the one who decides whether or not
> previously done work can count toward the Badge Requirements.
>
> The Scout discusses this with the MBC.
>
> Pete Knope
> Scoutmaster Troop 68

Re: TroopMaster Web

2009-11-11T05:34:19Z

For those who are concerned about multiple database issues, I did test drive
the program for a little bit and I think it works similar to how TM-Traveler
works. Traveler didn't lock it, it synced it, but I would agree, there may
be an issue of what database gets preference.

In my brief try of the program, one thing I noticed was data integrity
issues. In the main database, my birth date was 6/4 and then on the web
based version it was 6/3. Now I am not too concerned about being a day
older, but more concerned why it would change, so I caution those using it
in BETA to be careful, keep good back-up copies, I have concerns that maybe
it is not ready for prime time, so be VERY careful about changing data and
syncing it back to LIVE data, which is always a caution when using a beta of
a program. Don't blame TM for losing your data, cause I think their
disclaimer states to BE CAREFUL.

As far as features, there are a lot of reports that would be nice to have
that are not there, but I a sure they will come with time

Did anyone else have an issue with activities?? I went there and it said
LOADING then the dates just keep counting backwards, kind of interesting.

All in all, those concerned with database concerns, you can always use it as
a one way source. How about the ability for your Patrol Leaders to have
access to VIEW their patrol's information such as advancement or a current
phone list. Even if you were just able to post the info from the database to
the web, I think it has some value which I now you can do with SOAR, but my
quick look at that was more related to posting reports.

Another nice feature would be to have a item that would allow you to
generate users and passwords for each group member instead of having to
create them one by one.

All in all, I will give the program a E for effort, but still has a ways to
go. I encourage TM to move forward on this project!

Thanks

Tim

Re: Re: Opinion sought related to merit badge rules

2009-11-10T20:40:09Z

That's one way our troop has handled it... they "cut" a merit badge card for
camping automatically upon registration with the troop.

I agree with the discussion about "back dating" requirements... to me, the
camping merit badge is one of those that should be an acception to the back
dating rule, or the requirement should explicitly spell out camping nights
earned upon transition to Boy Scouts.

As far as the general discussion goes, the merit badge counselor has
guidelines to go by, but no one (typically) goes behind them to change
things if they do not follow them. I mention that because I have signed off
on an event that was recently completed and the scout can clearly apply it
to the goals of the merit badge. Whip me, beat me, call me trash if you
like, but I think a little latitude is allowed when the goals of scouting
are upheld.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Matt Price <admyank@...> wrote:

>
>
> There is a fix to this very issue:
>
> An ASM is the Camping Merit Badge Counselor. When he joins the troop, the
> Advancement and membership folks keep track of the dates camping, and what
> they did.
>
> When he is ready to go for the camping merit badge, then there's no
> problem.
>
> Matt Price
>
> lioncub1956 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Agree with you Pete. Consider a scout in his second year: He spent the
> first year working toward First Class, went on 9 monthly campouts and a
> summer camp, and picked up a few merit badges along the way. Now as a First
> Class Scout in his second year, he begins looking toward Star and its
> requirements. He needs the Camping Merit Badge! He gets the blue card and
> meets his counselor. Would anyone not count his campouts with the troop in
> the previous year. Would anyone insist that he begin counting campouts only
> from the date on his blue card? The prior campouts would be work already
> started or accomplished. The only "reasonable" alternative would be to issue
> all Eagle MB blue cards as soon as the scout joins the troop.
> YIS,
> Richard Hix
> Asst SM
> Troop Advancements Ch
> Membership Ch
> Former CM, MC, etc.
>
> --- In TMTUG@... <TMTUG%40yahoogroups.com>, Pete & Kathi Knope
> <knope@...> <knope@...> wrote:
> >
> > As the BSA Requirements Book already says:
> >
> > You should also discuss work that you have already started or possibly
> > completed.
> > At the first meeting, you and your merit badge counselor will review and
> > may start working on the requirements. In some cases, you may share with
> > your counselor the work that you have already started or accomplished.
> > Unless otherwise specified, work for a requirement can be started at any
> > time.
> >
> > The Merit Badge Counselor is the one who decides whether or not
> > previously done work can count toward the Badge Requirements.
> >
> > The Scout discusses this with the MBC.
> >
> > Pete Knope
> > Scoutmaster Troop 68
>
>
>

Re: Re: TroopMaster Web

2009-11-10T16:41:23Z

I'm not a data base manager, nor do I play one on TV, but I would
guess that only one person has admin privileges and therefore
overrides anyone elses updates and that each other person has sole
access to only their part of the data base. I am just guessing here
because I can still see some holes in the solution.

Thom Holland
San Diego

Re: TroopLedger Reviews

2009-11-10T14:28:09Z

Laszlo:

Our troop has used TL since we started more than 10 years ago. I don't have much direct experience but the 3-4 treasurers we've had believe it works.

The one caveat is that a person must be familiar a bit with accounting concepts like debiting one account and crediting another (for instance, moving money from a kid's Scouting account to the account set up for summer camp payments. )
It sounds scarier than it is. If a person can handle Quicken, they should be able to follow TL.

Feature-wise I've never heard our treasurers carp about missing stuff. You can set up budgets and track expense to budget categories, do individual Scout accounts as well as troop-wide accounts.

I believe TM offers a trial or money-back guarantee that would let your treasurer 'kick the tires'. And there's probably some linkages to TM (like maybe not having to duplicate-enter names and personal data for Scout Accounts) that could save time. You might try a copy and see how it works for you

Michael Derleth
ASM T14 / Oregon / Eagle Scout

----- Original Message ----
From: Laszlo Acs <laszlo@...>
To: TMTUG@...
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 9:40:49 AM
Subject: [TMTUG] TroopLedger Reviews

Anybody here use TroopLedger? Can you give me a quick opinion on how
effective it is? Last night, our Committee's Treasurer complained about
the 'spreadsheet methods' used by the last couple of previous treasurers
and was wanting to know of a more effective method of tracking funds
associated with individual Scouts in what we call their "Camp Cash"
account. I brought up a suggestion that there were software "out there"
that is specifically aimed at funds management for Scouting organizations.

Thanks in Advance,

Laszlo Acs, Scoutmaster
Troop 3, Springfield, IL

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

Re: Re: Opinion sought related to merit badge rules

2009-11-10T14:27:45Z

There is a fix to this very issue:

An ASM is the Camping Merit Badge Counselor. When he joins the troop,
the Advancement and membership folks keep track of the dates camping,
and what they did.

When he is ready to go for the camping merit badge, then there's no problem.

Matt Price

lioncub1956 wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Agree with you Pete. Consider a scout in his second year: He spent the
> first year working toward First Class, went on 9 monthly campouts and
> a summer camp, and picked up a few merit badges along the way. Now as
> a First Class Scout in his second year, he begins looking toward Star
> and its requirements. He needs the Camping Merit Badge! He gets the
> blue card and meets his counselor. Would anyone not count his campouts
> with the troop in the previous year. Would anyone insist that he begin
> counting campouts only from the date on his blue card? The prior
> campouts would be work already started or accomplished. The only
> "reasonable" alternative would be to issue all Eagle MB blue cards as
> soon as the scout joins the troop.
> YIS,
> Richard Hix
> Asst SM
> Troop Advancements Ch
> Membership Ch
> Former CM, MC, etc.
>
> --- In TMTUG@... <mailto:TMTUG%40yahoogroups.com>, Pete &
> Kathi Knope <knope@...> wrote:
> >
> > As the BSA Requirements Book already says:
> >
> > You should also discuss work that you have already started or possibly
> > completed.
> > At the first meeting, you and your merit badge counselor will review
> and
> > may start working on the requirements. In some cases, you may share
> with
> > your counselor the work that you have already started or accomplished.
> > Unless otherwise specified, work for a requirement can be started at
> any
> > time.
> >
> > The Merit Badge Counselor is the one who decides whether or not
> > previously done work can count toward the Badge Requirements.
> >
> > The Scout discusses this with the MBC.
> >
> > Pete Knope
> > Scoutmaster Troop 68
>
>

Re: Re: TroopMaster Web

2009-11-10T13:48:31Z

Only the TM folks can answer that one. There are a number of ways to keep
databases in synch.

<Warning Wikipedia Link>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_synchronization

</Warning>

Most likely they would apply changes in order of the time stamp on the data,
or just apply the most recent change. But, that's just a guess.

Another common technique is to present the data in conflict to a user and
ask them to make an educated guess.

-- Mike Davis
-- Geek and Scouting enthusiast, not necessily in that order, depending on
who you ask

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:34 PM, korchleader <kkortge@...> wrote:

>
>
> For us folks using DotNet, and then decide to also use TM Web, it sounds
> like there are TM databases in three (or more) locations:
>
> --DotNet - on the server
> --Local TM installations
> --TM Web
>
> Sorry, but I have not installed the TM Web application - mostly for fear
> something really bad could happen to our TM database (argh!!) linked to
> DotNet.
>
> Its sounding like TM Web database gets synched with a local TM database
> somehow.
>
> The think that concerns (confuses) me is - if TM Web allows editing of the
> contents, what prevents simultaneous editing of the TM Web database, and the
> DotNet database via a local TM database?
>
> Suppose the Scoutmaster has launched his local TM via DotNet. DotNet gets
> locked to avoid corruption.
>
> Meanwhile, Scouter X is editing some portion of TM Web.
>
> How do those two modified databases get resolved (synchronized)???
>
> Ken
>
>
>

Re: TroopMaster Web

2009-11-10T13:34:10Z

For us folks using DotNet, and then decide to also use TM Web, it sounds like there are TM databases in three (or more) locations:

--DotNet - on the server
--Local TM installations
--TM Web

Sorry, but I have not installed the TM Web application - mostly for fear something really bad could happen to our TM database (argh!!) linked to DotNet.

Its sounding like TM Web database gets synched with a local TM database somehow.

The think that concerns (confuses) me is - if TM Web allows editing of the contents, what prevents simultaneous editing of the TM Web database, and the DotNet database via a local TM database?

Suppose the Scoutmaster has launched his local TM via DotNet. DotNet gets locked to avoid corruption.

Meanwhile, Scouter X is editing some portion of TM Web.

How do those two modified databases get resolved (synchronized)???

Ken

Re: TroopLedger Reviews

2009-11-10T13:18:30Z

We have used TroopLedger for about the last 8 or 10 years and love it!

While we don't collect weekly dues, and therefore don't use the 'dues' feature, we track all Troop finances and know where all the money is at any time. As others have said, you can set up payment schedules for whatever use you desire. The way we do it is that all moneys turned in (or earned as part of fundraisers) is deposited into the checking account with each Scout's portion placed in his Camp Account. If you want to track the deposits they make for specific functions such as summer camp, you can create a 'reserve' fund (700 series). When you deposit a Scout's funds for that activity you deposit it in his camp account and pull up the reserve account in the next box. When you post the transaction the funds will be earmarked for the activity reserve fund. When you write the check to pay for that activity you go into the camp account screen (it's called passbook accounts in TroopLedger) and put in the amount to charge each Scout, pull up the reserve account for that activity, and post the transaction. The program deducts the amount from the Scout's reserved amount in that account. You can print a 'passbook balance' report, which shows how much each Scout has in his camp (passbook) account along with how much is reserved in the various accounts, and a column showing how much he has 'available' in his camp account that is not reserved for specific uses.

Our Troop has reserve accounts set up for several uses such as fundraising for projects we undertake at our local camp, funds raised for a 'Troop Trek' (an all-expense paid trip for anyone registered with the Troop, usually to a 'vacation destination' we normally wouldn't go to on a campout), and one that tracks personal items ordered through the Council Service Center or scouting retailer and charged to the Troop account. The last one comes in handy, as our council includes all of North Dakota and several counties in Minnesota, Montana, and South Dakota, and only has 4 Service Centers, necessitating each order to be charged out and shipped. When we pay for the items we charge the amount to the reserve account, then deduct the amount from the Camp Accounts and credit it to the reserve account, so the balance is always up to date.

There are many more uses for TroopLedger, but my post is already long enough! And in case you're wondering, I do not have an accounting background. The entries are made on a screen similar to Quicken or Microsoft Money, so if you have used either of those it should be an easy transition. There is also an option to make the entries on a spreadsheet screen, but I personally like the 'checkbook ledger' entry screen.

I hope this helps, and I haven't bored you,

Darryl Wehner
Assistant SM
Treasurer
Troop 32
Dickinson, ND

--- In TMTUG@..., David Wildschuetz <shamanlsn@...> wrote:

>
> The "prepayments" I speak of deal with actual payments a Scout would make for items like Scout Camp, campouts, High Adventure trips etc.Â In TroopLedger you set up an account, say for Scout Camp.Â You can create a schedule to expect payments on a given date.Â This can be either a set amount weekly to help stretch it out, or as in our case three different amounts ( a deposit in October, a first half of the balance in February and the balance in April).Â This can then be printed on the same form with the Dues on a worksheet that goes to the patrol.Â After the patrol meeting portion of our Monday night meeting has concluded, the form is turned in with the payments.Â The payment is applied to the camp account as a "prepayment".Â It is kept in that account until each payment is made at the council office.Â Similarly, Campout payments go into a pre-payment account and is transferred over after the campout occurs, in case the Scout can not make it to
> the campout after paying (certainÂ rules apply) and is refunded.Â Like I said, I don't know how it all works, but I never quite learned it all.Â There is probably a better way to do it, I just never played around with it to find out.
>
> The problem we have, is that when an Scout "leaves" the troop (either quits or ages out), his account shows a balance.Â
>
> While I think it is a useable product, I don't know how easy it is for a non-accountant type person to understand it.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Laszlo Acs <laszlo@...>
> To: TMTUG@...
> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 2:28:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [TMTUG] TroopLedger Reviews
>
> Â
> I'm confused with "prepayment" and "payment" when thinking in accounting terms (not that I do this kind of thing; but I did take accounting classes in college a few decades ago and I regularly do my own taxes).Â Are you referring to crediting the Scouts' accounts being the "prepayment" - where this would be collecting dues and all other forms of placing "credits" within a specific account?Â And, "payment" would be the actual debits to the account like, for instance, we're going through rechartering and we're taking $16 out of each scout's account (or making phone calls asking for funds where there's not a positive balance)?
>
> And how about things like a general fund, a uniform fund, or endowments that have stipulations on how funds can be expensed?Â Would TroopLedger handle some complex things like that?
>
> --Â Laszlo Acs, Scoutmaster
> Troop 3, Springfield, IL
>
>
> At 12:10 PM 11/10/2009 -0800, David wrote:
>
> Â
> >
> >It's been a while since I have personally worked with it, but I'll chime in.Â It deals with weekly dues quite well.Â That's the biggest part of what we currently use it for.Â But, it's the individual "Camp Cash" accounts where we have difficulty.Â
> >Â
> >Setting up payment schedules works quite well, and it tracks the payments in easily enough.Â The problem is getting the "prepayments" over to the actual "payment" that I never learned.Â
> >Â
> >But,Â I have not worked with it in a few years as the Treasurer handles it.Â But, as far as I can tell all we really use it for is to handle the Dues and to balance the checkbook, which so far it has been doing.
> >Â
> >You'll have to play around with the Scout Accounts to learn how that works, and there may be more knowledgeable folks online here that could help out more.
> >Good Luck
> >Â
> >David
> >
> >
> >From: Laszlo Acs <laszlo@lanscape. net>
> >To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
> >Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 11:40:49 AM
> >Subject: [TMTUG] TroopLedger Reviews
> >
> >Â
> >
> >Anybody here use TroopLedger? Can you give me a quick opinion on how
> >effective it is? Last night, our Committee's Treasurer complained about
> >the 'spreadsheet methods' used by the last couple of previous treasurers
> >and was wanting to know of a more effective method of tracking funds
> >associated with individual Scouts in what we call their "Camp Cash"
> >account. I brought up a suggestion that there were software "out there"
> >that is specifically aimed at funds management for Scouting organizations.
> >
> >Thanks in Advance,
> >
> >Laszlo Acs, Scoutmaster
> >Troop 3, Springfield, IL
> >
> >
>

Re: TroopLedger Reviews

2009-11-10T12:46:50Z

The "prepayments" I speak of deal with actual payments a Scout would make for items like Scout Camp, campouts, High Adventure trips etc. In TroopLedger you set up an account, say for Scout Camp. You can create a schedule to expect payments on a given date. This can be either a set amount weekly to help stretch it out, or as in our case three different amounts ( a deposit in October, a first half of the balance in February and the balance in April). This can then be printed on the same form with the Dues on a worksheet that goes to the patrol. After the patrol meeting portion of our Monday night meeting has concluded, the form is turned in with the payments. The payment is applied to the camp account as a "prepayment". It is kept in that account until each payment is made at the council office. Similarly, Campout payments go into a pre-payment account and is transferred over after the campout occurs, in case the Scout can not make it to
the campout after paying (certain rules apply) and is refunded. Like I said, I don't know how it all works, but I never quite learned it all. There is probably a better way to do it, I just never played around with it to find out.

The problem we have, is that when an Scout "leaves" the troop (either quits or ages out), his account shows a balance.

While I think it is a useable product, I don't know how easy it is for a non-accountant type person to understand it.

David

________________________________
From: Laszlo Acs <laszlo@...>
To: TMTUG@...
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 2:28:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] TroopLedger Reviews

I'm confused with "prepayment" and "payment" when thinking in accounting terms (not that I do this kind of thing; but I did take accounting classes in college a few decades ago and I regularly do my own taxes). Are you referring to crediting the Scouts' accounts being the "prepayment" - where this would be collecting dues and all other forms of placing "credits" within a specific account? And, "payment" would be the actual debits to the account like, for instance, we're going through rechartering and we're taking $16 out of each scout's account (or making phone calls asking for funds where there's not a positive balance)?

And how about things like a general fund, a uniform fund, or endowments that have stipulations on how funds can be expensed? Would TroopLedger handle some complex things like that?

-- Laszlo Acs, Scoutmaster
Troop 3, Springfield, IL

At 12:10 PM 11/10/2009 -0800, David wrote:

>
>It's been a while since I have personally worked with it, but I'll chime in. It deals with weekly dues quite well. That's the biggest part of what we currently use it for. But, it's the individual "Camp Cash" accounts where we have difficulty.
>
>Setting up payment schedules works quite well, and it tracks the payments in easily enough. The problem is getting the "prepayments" over to the actual "payment" that I never learned.
>
>But, I have not worked with it in a few years as the Treasurer handles it. But, as far as I can tell all we really use it for is to handle the Dues and to balance the checkbook, which so far it has been doing.
>
>You'll have to play around with the Scout Accounts to learn how that works, and there may be more knowledgeable folks online here that could help out more.
>Good Luck
>
>David
>
>
>From: Laszlo Acs <laszlo@lanscape. net>
>To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
>Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 11:40:49 AM
>Subject: [TMTUG] TroopLedger Reviews
>
>
>
>Anybody here use TroopLedger? Can you give me a quick opinion on how
>effective it is? Last night, our Committee's Treasurer complained about
>the 'spreadsheet methods' used by the last couple of previous treasurers
>and was wanting to know of a more effective method of tracking funds
>associated with individual Scouts in what we call their "Camp Cash"
>account. I brought up a suggestion that there were software "out there"
>that is specifically aimed at funds management for Scouting organizations.
>
>Thanks in Advance,
>
>Laszlo Acs, Scoutmaster
>Troop 3, Springfield, IL
>
>

Re: TroopLedger Reviews

2009-11-10T12:28:46Z

I'm confused with "prepayment" and "payment" when thinking in accounting
terms (not that I do this kind of thing; but I did take accounting classes
in college a few decades ago and I regularly do my own taxes). Are you
referring to crediting the Scouts' accounts being the "prepayment" - where
this would be collecting dues and all other forms of placing "credits"
within a specific account? And, "payment" would be the actual debits to
the account like, for instance, we're going through rechartering and we're
taking $16 out of each scout's account (or making phone calls asking for
funds where there's not a positive balance)?

And how about things like a general fund, a uniform fund, or endowments
that have stipulations on how funds can be expensed? Would TroopLedger
handle some complex things like that?

-- Laszlo Acs, Scoutmaster
Troop 3, Springfield, IL

At 12:10 PM 11/10/2009 -0800, David wrote:

>
>
>It's been a while since I have personally worked with it, but I'll chime
>in. It deals with weekly dues quite well. That's the biggest part of
>what we currently use it for. But, it's the individual "Camp Cash"
>accounts where we have difficulty.
>
>Setting up payment schedules works quite well, and it tracks the payments
>in easily enough. The problem is getting the "prepayments" over to the
>actual "payment" that I never learned.
>
>But, I have not worked with it in a few years as the Treasurer handles
>it. But, as far as I can tell all we really use it for is to handle the
>Dues and to balance the checkbook, which so far it has been doing.
>
>You'll have to play around with the Scout Accounts to learn how that
>works, and there may be more knowledgeable folks online here that could
>help out more.
>Good Luck
>
>David
>
>
>From: Laszlo Acs <laszlo@...>
>To: TMTUG@...
>Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 11:40:49 AM
>Subject: [TMTUG] TroopLedger Reviews
>
>
>
>Anybody here use TroopLedger? Can you give me a quick opinion on how
>effective it is? Last night, our Committee's Treasurer complained about
>the 'spreadsheet methods' used by the last couple of previous treasurers
>and was wanting to know of a more effective method of tracking funds
>associated with individual Scouts in what we call their "Camp Cash"
>account. I brought up a suggestion that there were software "out there"
>that is specifically aimed at funds management for Scouting organizations.
>
>Thanks in Advance,
>
>Laszlo Acs, Scoutmaster
>Troop 3, Springfield, IL
>
>

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Re: TroopLedger Reviews

2009-11-10T12:10:41Z

It's been a while since I have personally worked with it, but I'll chime in. It deals with weekly dues quite well. That's the biggest part of what we currently use it for. But, it's the individual "Camp Cash" accounts where we have difficulty.

Setting up payment schedules works quite well, and it tracks the payments in easily enough. The problem is getting the "prepayments" over to the actual "payment" that I never learned.

But, I have not worked with it in a few years as the Treasurer handles it. But, as far as I can tell all we really use it for is to handle the Dues and to balance the checkbook, which so far it has been doing.

You'll have to play around with the Scout Accounts to learn how that works, and there may be more knowledgeable folks online here that could help out more.

Good Luck

David

________________________________
From: Laszlo Acs <laszlo@...>
To: TMTUG@...
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 11:40:49 AM
Subject: [TMTUG] TroopLedger Reviews

Anybody here use TroopLedger? Can you give me a quick opinion on how
effective it is? Last night, our Committee's Treasurer complained about
the 'spreadsheet methods' used by the last couple of previous treasurers
and was wanting to know of a more effective method of tracking funds
associated with individual Scouts in what we call their "Camp Cash"
account. I brought up a suggestion that there were software "out there"
that is specifically aimed at funds management for Scouting organizations.

Thanks in Advance,

Laszlo Acs, Scoutmaster
Troop 3, Springfield, IL

RE: Re: Opinion sought related to merit badge rules

2009-11-10T12:06:05Z

Page 22 of "Boy Scout Requirements 2009", states: "At the first meeting,
you and your merit badge counselor will review and may start working on the
requirements. In some cases, you may share with your counselor the work
that you have already started or accomplished."

(Bottom of the page in a box.)

Don

_____

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of
lioncub1956
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: [TMTUG] Re: Opinion sought related to merit badge rules

Agree with you Pete. Consider a scout in his second year: He spent the first
year working toward First Class, went on 9 monthly campouts and a summer
camp, and picked up a few merit badges along the way. Now as a First Class
Scout in his second year, he begins looking toward Star and its
requirements. He needs the Camping Merit Badge! He gets the blue card and
meets his counselor. Would anyone not count his campouts with the troop in
the previous year. Would anyone insist that he begin counting campouts only
from the date on his blue card? The prior campouts would be work already
started or accomplished. The only "reasonable" alternative would be to issue
all Eagle MB blue cards as soon as the scout joins the troop.
YIS,
Richard Hix
Asst SM
Troop Advancements Ch
Membership Ch
Former CM, MC, etc.

--- In TMTUG@yahoogroups. <mailto:TMTUG%40yahoogroups.com> com, Pete & Kathi
Knope <knope@...> wrote:

>
> As the BSA Requirements Book already says:
>
> You should also discuss work that you have already started or possibly
> completed.
> At the first meeting, you and your merit badge counselor will review and
> may start working on the requirements. In some cases, you may share with
> your counselor the work that you have already started or accomplished.
> Unless otherwise specified, work for a requirement can be started at any
> time.
>
> The Merit Badge Counselor is the one who decides whether or not
> previously done work can count toward the Badge Requirements.
>
> The Scout discusses this with the MBC.
>
> Pete Knope
> Scoutmaster Troop 68

Re: Opinion sought related to merit badge rules

2009-11-10T10:51:11Z

Agree with you Pete. Consider a scout in his second year: He spent the first year working toward First Class, went on 9 monthly campouts and a summer camp, and picked up a few merit badges along the way. Now as a First Class Scout in his second year, he begins looking toward Star and its requirements. He needs the Camping Merit Badge! He gets the blue card and meets his counselor. Would anyone not count his campouts with the troop in the previous year. Would anyone insist that he begin counting campouts only from the date on his blue card? The prior campouts would be work already started or accomplished. The only "reasonable" alternative would be to issue all Eagle MB blue cards as soon as the scout joins the troop.
YIS,
Richard Hix
Asst SM
Troop Advancements Ch
Membership Ch
Former CM, MC, etc.

--- In TMTUG@..., Pete & Kathi Knope <knope@...> wrote:

TroopLedger Reviews

2009-11-10T09:40:49Z

Anybody here use TroopLedger? Can you give me a quick opinion on how
effective it is? Last night, our Committee's Treasurer complained about
the 'spreadsheet methods' used by the last couple of previous treasurers
and was wanting to know of a more effective method of tracking funds
associated with individual Scouts in what we call their "Camp Cash"
account. I brought up a suggestion that there were software "out there"
that is specifically aimed at funds management for Scouting organizations.

Thanks in Advance,

Laszlo Acs, Scoutmaster
Troop 3, Springfield, IL

RE: Pack Master

2009-11-10T06:39:35Z

Under the academic and sports section for crediting dates for each belt loop
or pin, the bottom right hand corner has a spot for presenting the letter.
The moment they earn a pin, your able to give this to them.

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of
bkourpias
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:39 AM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: [TMTUG] Pack Master

How does Pack Master work with crediting the boy's with the Academic Letter?
I looked on line, and there is no guidelines for when it is credited. I
usually wait for the program to tell me.

Re: Pack Master

2009-11-10T05:01:21Z

Hello bkourpias,

Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:39:07 AM, you wrote:

> How does Pack Master work with crediting the boy's with the Academic
> Letter? I looked on line, and there is no guidelines for when it is
> credited. I usually wait for the program to tell me.

If you can award a pin to go on it, they can have a letter...

From: http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/CubScouts/Awards/Boys/sanda,-d-,b.aspx
,-----
| Academics and Sports Letter and Pins
|
| Once you have earned the belt loop, you can stop. But if you want to
| do more with the activity, you may complete extra requirements to earn
| a pin.
|
| A good place to display Academics and Sports pins is on the Academics
| and Sports letter. You can wear the letter on a sweater or a jacket,
| or display or frame it. The letter does not go on the Cub Scout
| uniform. There are no special requirements for earning the letter,
| because it's just for displaying the pins.
`-----

--
Tim Musson,
Chief Okemos Council, Ojibwas District
Pack 180 Co-Webelos Leader, Assistant Cubmaster, webmaster
Troop 2 Advancement Chair, Webelos Transition, webmaster

Pack 180 Web Site: www.troop2el.org/pack/180
Troop 2 Web Site: www.troop2el.org

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C-53-09

Pack Master

2009-11-10T03:39:07Z

How does Pack Master work with crediting the boy's with the Academic Letter? I looked on line, and there is no guidelines for when it is credited. I usually wait for the program to tell me.