Trophy

[Bonny]

 
 
In a message dated 9/13/2007 8:59:02 AM GMT Standard Time,  
stef_kirk@... writes:

The  difference in sheer stomp the 1200 has over the 900 is way more than
figures  on paper. The only thing the 900 has over the 1200 is mpg and the  sound.




The 1996s 900s had a faster standing quarter than a 1200 or a Ducati  916. I
know that cause I proved it at Donnington and the Bike mag stats of the  day
had it too.
 
Handle Every Situation Like a Dog


If You cant eat it or Screw it. Piss  on it and walk away.
BORDER COLLIES  ROCK



   


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[Robert-321]

Stef:
 
I'm not disagreeing with you.  I've ridden both 900 and 1200.  My
Brother owned a Tiger and our father owns a 900 Thunderbird. And I've
got time on a Sprint 955i  I own a 1200. I'd say I've got a fair idea of
the cross section of models.
 
My 1200 looks stock, but it's not. My fuel consumption is higher though
even than the stock 1200.  Thats also why I'm putting more HP to the
pavement as verified by a Dyno.
 
What I quoted were published figures for the 2 models. I didn't want to
have someone accuse me of having a biased opinion so I was sticking to
published facts.
 
However, IMHO The 1200 will pull STUMPS out of the ground in comparison
to the 900.  many times has it supprised me by lofting the front end
when I didn't intend to.  I'm fairly light at 160lbs so the bike really
doesn't know it's got a load.  Even 2 up, our son only weighs in at
70lbs.  Together we are close to what the average rider weighs.
 
Bob Clark
01 Sunset Red Trophy 1200
96 Mgna Red Honda PC-800\71 Suzuki T-500
Augusta, GA
 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: TriumphTrophy@...
[mailto:TriumphTrophy@...] On Behalf Of Stef Kirk
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:52 AM
To: TriumphTrophy@...
Subject: Re: [TriumphTrophy] Trophy Differences



Robert Clark wrote:
>The differences between the 2 models are not that great. 33lbs, about
>10HP, 15Nm of torque.

Got to disagree with that. Having owned the early more powerfull Trophy
1200's and ridden the later models along with a 900 Speed Triple and the
885i Tiger
The difference in sheer stomp the 1200 has over the 900 is way more than
figures on paper. The only thing the 900 has over the 1200 is mpg and
the sound.

Stef
Scotland
Daytona 1200
R1100GS

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[Ron Willoughby-2]

Unless you make the 900 a Speed Triple spec bike with upgraded
suspension and brakes and then "Look out Nelly!". Heh…Heh ;-)

--- In TriumphTrophy@..., "Stef Kirk" <stef_kirk@...>
wrote:
>
> Robert Clark wrote:
> >The differences between the 2 models are not that great. 33lbs,
about
> >10HP, 15Nm of torque.
>
> Got to disagree with that. Having owned the early more powerfull
Trophy 1200's and ridden the later models along with a 900 Speed
Triple and the 885i Tiger
> The difference in sheer stomp the 1200 has over the 900 is way more
than figures on paper. The only thing the 900 has over the 1200 is
mpg and the sound.
>
> Stef
> Scotland
> Daytona 1200
> R1100GS
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Alec Gore]

Had to go out on the Trophy Tuesday evening and the destination
involved about 45 minutes of city traffic getting there and
back. It was running warm, but the fan coped OK. Then just
before getting back into open countryside for the home run, it
started acting up. Not as smooth as usually and I could here
misfiring. Tank was about 2/3rds down, so I wondered if it was a
fuelling problem and switched to reserve, which helped with an
earlier problem where there was vacuum loss due to a pinched
hose. It helped some, but not a lot. I got home and it was still
rough and wouldn't hold idle.

Probably a coil gone, I thought, so ordered a new one from Jack
Lilley's. Took her apart this afternoon and removed the left
side coil to replace with a new one. Started the engine to see
if it improved the running and noticed it was draughty where I
was holding the coil. Problem solved: Not a coil at all, but a
missing vacuum cap off the vent on number one carb. Now, how on
earth do they come off? They are tight plastic caps held on by a
wire clip. I've borrowed one off my 95 Speed Triple, same Mikuni
carbs. I changed all the plugs because it was about due for a
service anyway and put it all back together. Runs fine.

Still love to know how a vacuum cap and wire can just vanish
like that!

Any now I have a new coil I don't need (well, not right now and
03 1200s don't seem to have too many coil problems) so if anyone
in the UK needs a new 1200 dual output coil, for £50 (save £25)
let me know and it'll go in the post.

Regards

Alec

[south_texas_polar_bear]

I have heard of these caps blowing off before in the TBS
group.  Amazing how so many things can yield the same
symptoms!




--- In TriumphTrophy@..., "Alec Gore" <e-mail@...> wrote:

>
> Had to go out on the Trophy Tuesday evening and the destination
> involved about 45 minutes of city traffic getting there and
> back. It was running warm, but the fan coped OK. Then just
> before getting back into open countryside for the home run, it
> started acting up. Not as smooth as usually and I could here
> misfiring. Tank was about 2/3rds down, so I wondered if it was a
> fuelling problem and switched to reserve, which helped with an
> earlier problem where there was vacuum loss due to a pinched
> hose. It helped some, but not a lot. I got home and it was still
> rough and wouldn't hold idle.
>
> Probably a coil gone, I thought, so ordered a new one from Jack
> Lilley's. Took her apart this afternoon and removed the left
> side coil to replace with a new one. Started the engine to see
> if it improved the running and noticed it was draughty where I
> was holding the coil. Problem solved: Not a coil at all, but a
> missing vacuum cap off the vent on number one carb. Now, how on
> earth do they come off? They are tight plastic caps held on by a
> wire clip. I've borrowed one off my 95 Speed Triple, same Mikuni
> carbs. I changed all the plugs because it was about due for a
> service anyway and put it all back together. Runs fine.
>
> Still love to know how a vacuum cap and wire can just vanish
> like that!
>
> Any now I have a new coil I don't need (well, not right now and
> 03 1200s don't seem to have too many coil problems) so if anyone
> in the UK needs a new 1200 dual output coil, for £50 (save £25)
> let me know and it'll go in the post.
>
> Regards
>
> Alec
>

[Tony D.]

<SNIP>
 Problem solved: Not a coil at all, but a
> missing vacuum cap off the vent on number one carb. Now, how on
> earth do they come off? They are tight plastic caps held on by a
> wire clip.
<SNIP>
> Still love to know how a vacuum cap and wire can just vanish
> like that!


Alec, I have had no fewer than 4 caps blow off the carbs over the last
few years.  2 this year with one happening right before my eyes.  I was
balancing the carbs (tank removed) when I started the bike and it back
fired thru the carb and launched one of the tiny suckers like missle
hitting the garage ceiling....WOW!  Lesson learned..a tiny backfire
thru the carbs can be used for paint-balling.  If you're curious as to
where the cap ended up, my bet is under the starter motor.

Glad to hear you solved your problem.

Tony D.  '01 1200 45K miles

[Wm Snyder]

This is the work of gremlins.

Alec Gore <e-mail@...> wrote:          Had to go out on the Trophy Tuesday evening and the destination
involved about 45 minutes of city traffic getting there and
back. It was running warm, but the fan coped OK. Then just
before getting back into open countryside for the home run, it
started acting up. Not as smooth as usually and I could here
misfiring. Tank was about 2/3rds down, so I wondered if it was a
fuelling problem and switched to reserve, which helped with an
earlier problem where there was vacuum loss due to a pinched
hose. It helped some, but not a lot. I got home and it was still
rough and wouldn't hold idle.

Probably a coil gone, I thought, so ordered a new one from Jack
Lilley's. Took her apart this afternoon and removed the left
side coil to replace with a new one. Started the engine to see
if it improved the running and noticed it was draughty where I
was holding the coil. Problem solved: Not a coil at all, but a
missing vacuum cap off the vent on number one carb. Now, how on
earth do they come off? They are tight plastic caps held on by a
wire clip. I've borrowed one off my 95 Speed Triple, same Mikuni
carbs. I changed all the plugs because it was about due for a
service anyway and put it all back together. Runs fine.

Still love to know how a vacuum cap and wire can just vanish
like that!

Any now I have a new coil I don't need (well, not right now and
03 1200s don't seem to have too many coil problems) so if anyone
in the UK needs a new 1200 dual output coil, for £50 (save £25)
let me know and it'll go in the post.

Regards

Alec



                         

       
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[Stef Kirk]

What like my 147bhp Daytona 1200 ;o)

Stef
Scotland


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ron Willoughby
  To: TriumphTrophy@...
  Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:45 PM
  Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Re: Trophy Differences


  Unless you make the 900 a Speed Triple spec bike with upgraded
  suspension and brakes and then "Look out Nelly!". Heh.Heh ;-)

  --- In TriumphTrophy@..., "Stef Kirk" <stef_kirk@...>
  wrote:
  >
  > Robert Clark wrote:
  > >The differences between the 2 models are not that great. 33lbs,
  about
  > >10HP, 15Nm of torque.
  >
  > Got to disagree with that. Having owned the early more powerfull
  Trophy 1200's and ridden the later models along with a 900 Speed
  Triple and the 885i Tiger
  > The difference in sheer stomp the 1200 has over the 900 is way more
  than figures on paper. The only thing the 900 has over the 1200 is
  mpg and the sound.
  >
  > Stef
  > Scotland
  > Daytona 1200
  > R1100GS
  >
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  >



   


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[Stef Kirk]

Standing quarters fine , but in the real world lets try a top gear roll on.  My 1200 Trophy would pull away from a standing start in 6th.

Stef
Scotland


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: BWG3COY@...
  To: TriumphTrophy@...
  Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [TriumphTrophy] Trophy Differences




  In a message dated 9/13/2007 8:59:02 AM GMT Standard Time,
  stef_kirk@... writes:

  The difference in sheer stomp the 1200 has over the 900 is way more than
  figures on paper. The only thing the 900 has over the 1200 is mpg and the sound.

  The 1996s 900s had a faster standing quarter than a 1200 or a Ducati 916. I
  know that cause I proved it at Donnington and the Bike mag stats of the day
  had it too.

  Handle Every Situation Like a Dog

  If You cant eat it or Screw it. Piss on it and walk away.
  BORDER COLLIES ROCK

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[Stef Kirk]

Hi Bob
Even together you and your son dont add up to my weight ;o)

Stef
Scotland



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Robert Clark
  To: TriumphTrophy@...
  Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:00 PM
  Subject: RE: [TriumphTrophy] Trophy Differences


  Stef:

  I'm not disagreeing with you. I've ridden both 900 and 1200. My
  Brother owned a Tiger and our father owns a 900 Thunderbird. And I've
  got time on a Sprint 955i I own a 1200. I'd say I've got a fair idea of
  the cross section of models.

  My 1200 looks stock, but it's not. My fuel consumption is higher though
  even than the stock 1200. Thats also why I'm putting more HP to the
  pavement as verified by a Dyno.

  What I quoted were published figures for the 2 models. I didn't want to
  have someone accuse me of having a biased opinion so I was sticking to
  published facts.

  However, IMHO The 1200 will pull STUMPS out of the ground in comparison
  to the 900. many times has it supprised me by lofting the front end
  when I didn't intend to. I'm fairly light at 160lbs so the bike really
  doesn't know it's got a load. Even 2 up, our son only weighs in at
  70lbs. Together we are close to what the average rider weighs.

  Bob Clark
  01 Sunset Red Trophy 1200
  96 Mgna Red Honda PC-800\71 Suzuki T-500
  Augusta, GA




  -----Original Message-----
  From: TriumphTrophy@...
  [mailto:TriumphTrophy@...] On Behalf Of Stef Kirk
  Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:52 AM
  To: TriumphTrophy@...
  Subject: Re: [TriumphTrophy] Trophy Differences

  Robert Clark wrote:
  >The differences between the 2 models are not that great. 33lbs, about
  >10HP, 15Nm of torque.

  Got to disagree with that. Having owned the early more powerfull Trophy
  1200's and ridden the later models along with a 900 Speed Triple and the
  885i Tiger
  The difference in sheer stomp the 1200 has over the 900 is way more than
  figures on paper. The only thing the 900 has over the 1200 is mpg and
  the sound.

  Stef
  Scotland
  Daytona 1200
  R1100GS

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[Robert-321]

hence I say the Trophy has the power to haul sterile equestrians.......
 
It just makes the Grin bigger. Unlike the Comerical on the tube for
"Enhancement Drugs" all we need to do is ride our Trophies to get the
"Grin".  Makes my wife happy!
 
I'm convinced Triumph designed and installed the windscreen to humainly
protect the lives of insects. You see they get caught in the turbulence,
fly over and around our helmets.  This way they don't get caught in out
teeth.
 
For all of those complaining about the stock screen, think of it from
the Bugs point of view. Overall I've been struck by far less bugs riding
the Trophy than any other bike.  maybe the bugs can't fly that fast....
 
Bob
 
 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: TriumphTrophy@...
[mailto:TriumphTrophy@...] On Behalf Of Stef Kirk
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:26 AM
To: TriumphTrophy@...
Subject: Re: [TriumphTrophy] Trophy Differences



Hi Bob
Even together you and your son dont add up to my weight ;o)

Stef
Scotland

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Clark
To: TriumphTrophy@ <mailto:TriumphTrophy%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: RE: [TriumphTrophy] Trophy Differences

Stef:

I'm not disagreeing with you. I've ridden both 900 and 1200. My
Brother owned a Tiger and our father owns a 900 Thunderbird. And I've
got time on a Sprint 955i I own a 1200. I'd say I've got a fair idea of
the cross section of models.

My 1200 looks stock, but it's not. My fuel consumption is higher though
even than the stock 1200. Thats also why I'm putting more HP to the
pavement as verified by a Dyno.

What I quoted were published figures for the 2 models. I didn't want to
have someone accuse me of having a biased opinion so I was sticking to
published facts.

However, IMHO The 1200 will pull STUMPS out of the ground in comparison
to the 900. many times has it supprised me by lofting the front end
when I didn't intend to. I'm fairly light at 160lbs so the bike really
doesn't know it's got a load. Even 2 up, our son only weighs in at
70lbs. Together we are close to what the average rider weighs.

Bob Clark
01 Sunset Red Trophy 1200
96 Mgna Red Honda PC-800\71 Suzuki T-500
Augusta, GA

-----Original Message-----
From: TriumphTrophy@ <mailto:TriumphTrophy%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:TriumphTrophy@ <mailto:TriumphTrophy%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stef Kirk
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:52 AM
To: TriumphTrophy@ <mailto:TriumphTrophy%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TriumphTrophy] Trophy Differences

Robert Clark wrote:
>The differences between the 2 models are not that great. 33lbs, about
>10HP, 15Nm of torque.

Got to disagree with that. Having owned the early more powerfull Trophy
1200's and ridden the later models along with a 900 Speed Triple and the
885i Tiger
The difference in sheer stomp the 1200 has over the 900 is way more than
figures on paper. The only thing the 900 has over the 1200 is mpg and
the sound.

Stef
Scotland
Daytona 1200
R1100GS

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[Ron Willoughby-2]

Yep, well over 140mph sitting up with full Givi bags and still pulling
strong...just starting to get a little weave out of Givi bags around 150.

--- In TriumphTrophy@..., "Stef Kirk" <stef_kirk@...> wrote:

>
> What like my 147bhp Daytona 1200 ;o)
>
> Stef
> Scotland
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Ron Willoughby
>   To: TriumphTrophy@...
>   Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:45 PM
>   Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Re: Trophy Differences
>
>
>   Unless you make the 900 a Speed Triple spec bike with upgraded
>   suspension and brakes and then "Look out Nelly!". Heh.Heh ;-)
>
>   --- In TriumphTrophy@..., "Stef Kirk" <stef_kirk@>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > Robert Clark wrote:
>   > >The differences between the 2 models are not that great. 33lbs,
>   about
>   > >10HP, 15Nm of torque.
>   >
>   > Got to disagree with that. Having owned the early more powerfull
>   Trophy 1200's and ridden the later models along with a 900 Speed
>   Triple and the 885i Tiger
>   > The difference in sheer stomp the 1200 has over the 900 is way more
>   than figures on paper. The only thing the 900 has over the 1200 is
>   mpg and the sound.
>   >
>   > Stef
>   > Scotland
>   > Daytona 1200
>   > R1100GS
>   >
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   >
>
>
>
>    
>
>
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[Greg Andrews-2]

Hi all, I found that my '96 900 Trophy would start wiggling in the rear
at speeds over 110 mph. The dealer said Triumph advises to stay under
80 with a full set of luggage. I knew my summer trip would involve some
speed so I kept it all in the tank bag and no luggage, it was stable at
125mph. Has anybody else noticed this? My bike has a medium Clearview
with closable vent, new Avons storms, and wheel alignment was corrected
with string. The rear marks were off by an 1/8 of an inch. I saw Ron's
post and it got me wondering.
Greg Andrews


"Ron Willoughby" wrote: Yep, well over 140mph sitting up with full Givi
bags and still pulling strong...just starting to get a little weave out
of Givi bags around 150.

[Robert-321]

Interesting.  When I spoke tot he Triumph rep abouot alternative
Windscreen sizes and shapes he wasi that the Trophy was very close to
not meeting a certain wind tunnel specification required by some country
out there.  This was supposedly the reason that Triumph only offered the
stock windscreen.
 
Could the Clearview windscreen shape be one of your causes of Wiggle at
those speeds ?
 
Having only used the stock screen I have no reference to compare with.
 
Bob Clark
01 Sunset Red Trophy 1200
96 Magna Red Honda PC-800
71 Suzuki T-500
Augusta, GA
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: TriumphTrophy@...
[mailto:TriumphTrophy@...] On Behalf Of Greg Andrews
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:50 AM
To: TriumphTrophy@...
Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Little weave, little wiggle with panniers and
top box



Hi all, I found that my '96 900 Trophy would start wiggling in the rear
at speeds over 110 mph. The dealer said Triumph advises to stay under
80 with a full set of luggage. I knew my summer trip would involve some
speed so I kept it all in the tank bag and no luggage, it was stable at
125mph. Has anybody else noticed this? My bike has a medium Clearview
with closable vent, new Avons storms, and wheel alignment was corrected
with string. The rear marks were off by an 1/8 of an inch. I saw Ron's
post and it got me wondering.
Greg Andrews

"Ron Willoughby" wrote: Yep, well over 140mph sitting up with full Givi
bags and still pulling strong...just starting to get a little weave out
of Givi bags around 150.



 



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[Stef Kirk]

My "old" 92 Trophy had a tall screen fitted that used to set up a weave at high speed, it would bend from side to side and actually steer the bike with the stock screen it was fine.

Stef
Scotland

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Robert Clark
  To: TriumphTrophy@...
  Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 3:56 PM
  Subject: RE: [TriumphTrophy] Little weave, little wiggle with panniers and top box


  Interesting. When I spoke tot he Triumph rep abouot alternative
  Windscreen sizes and shapes he wasi that the Trophy was very close to
  not meeting a certain wind tunnel specification required by some country
  out there. This was supposedly the reason that Triumph only offered the
  stock windscreen.

  Could the Clearview windscreen shape be one of your causes of Wiggle at
  those speeds ?

  Having only used the stock screen I have no reference to compare with.

  Bob Clark
  01 Sunset Red Trophy 1200
  96 Magna Red Honda PC-800
  71 Suzuki T-500
  Augusta, GA



  -----Original Message-----
  From: TriumphTrophy@...
  [mailto:TriumphTrophy@...] On Behalf Of Greg Andrews
  Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:50 AM
  To: TriumphTrophy@...
  Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Little weave, little wiggle with panniers and
  top box

  Hi all, I found that my '96 900 Trophy would start wiggling in the rear
  at speeds over 110 mph. The dealer said Triumph advises to stay under
  80 with a full set of luggage. I knew my summer trip would involve some
  speed so I kept it all in the tank bag and no luggage, it was stable at
  125mph. Has anybody else noticed this? My bike has a medium Clearview
  with closable vent, new Avons storms, and wheel alignment was corrected
  with string. The rear marks were off by an 1/8 of an inch. I saw Ron's
  post and it got me wondering.
  Greg Andrews

  "Ron Willoughby" wrote: Yep, well over 140mph sitting up with full Givi
  bags and still pulling strong...just starting to get a little weave out
  of Givi bags around 150.

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[alex_dz]

Interesting, I just went through the luggage "instability" question
myself.  The last time I did a long trip, I had the Clearview medium
on with panniers and top box.  I did NOT like the feeling at high
speeds, especially passing large trucks.  At the time I blamed the
Clearview and went back to the stock screen--which despite being very
loud gives me less buffeting than the Clearview (my Laminar Lip
experiment, while successful, ended last year because I got sick of
looking through it).

Anyway, since then I've mainly used the bike for my commute, with the
stock screen, top box, and NO panniers.  This configuration proved
stable enough at the max 80-90 mph speeds I typically see.  The other
day I put the panniers back on the bike and went for an interstate
run, and whoa did it feel squirrely!  I came home and took the top box
off and did it again with just the panniers and it was fine.

So, to sum up:  Top box no panniers, stable; panniers no top box,
stable; panniers and top box, squirrely!  Clearview, possibly falsely
accused of being squirrely, although possibly still a contributor.
Keep in mind it's a rare event for me to hit 100 around here, so at
higher speeds things may be completely different.

Alex

--- In TriumphTrophy@..., "Robert Clark" <apsllp@...> wrote:

>
> Interesting.  When I spoke tot he Triumph rep abouot alternative
> Windscreen sizes and shapes he wasi that the Trophy was very close to
> not meeting a certain wind tunnel specification required by some country
> out there.  This was supposedly the reason that Triumph only offered the
> stock windscreen.
>  
> Could the Clearview windscreen shape be one of your causes of Wiggle at
> those speeds ?
>  
> Having only used the stock screen I have no reference to compare with.
>  <SNIP>

[Alec Gore]

Agree, but just to add another permutation: I found the top box
stopped acting like a sail and making the bike unstable when
there is a pillion to fill in the air circulation gap between
the rider and the top box.

Chopping down the stock screen to the height of a sports-tourer,
like the Sprint ST, also makes a great improvement on handling,
but of course the downside is you get hit with more wind.

Regards

Alec


> So, to sum up:  Top box no panniers, stable; panniers no top
> box, stable; panniers and top box, squirrely!  

[Ken Hastie]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: TriumphTrophy@...
> [mailto:TriumphTrophy@...]On
> Sent: 15 September 2007 17:45
> To: TriumphTrophy@...
> Subject: RE: [TriumphTrophy] Re: Little weave, little wiggle with
> panniers and top box

Having done a few miles on the Trophy and having abused the recommended
loading capacity of the panniers/top box many times, my experience is that
unusual handling cannot be attributed to any 'inherent' factor. It is either
a combination of factors or failure to maintain the machine properly (tyre
pressures, head bearings etc).

In all my time on this bike (with and without panniers and top box) I have
never experienced weird handling, except in the early days of ownership when
strong cross winds were a nightmare with the stock screen. My XL Clearview
actually cured that. (Someone once explained why this was, but I don't
remember the detail)

As for handling problems at 125 mph, well I think you deserve all you get
riding at those speeds with a footprint no bigger than a pair of size 15
boots on the tarmac.

Ken the Geordie
BSA A75R, A10, B40, D14, D10, D7 Triumph Trophy 1200

[alex_dz]

--- In TriumphTrophy@..., "Ken Hastie" <ken@...> wrote:
<SNIP>
> never experienced weird handling, except in the early days of
ownership when
> strong cross winds were a nightmare with the stock screen. My XL
Clearview
> actually cured that. (Someone once explained why this was, but I don't
> remember the detail)
<SNIP>

I wonder if this isn't related to Alec's comment about not having an
issue with a pillion aboard?  I'd already wondered about that myself,
but being between wives the only pillion occupants I've had on the
Trophy have been my sons, and I'm sure as hell not doing any high
speed runs with them aboard!  Anyway, the larger screen may create a
larger air bubble that wraps behind you and avoids that zone of
turbulence between rider and top box--somewhat like a pillion would.

Alex

[jmormerod]

I have just fitted a Kappa 45/48 litre top box. With the small sports
screen and just the box (no pillion), I get a slight weave, but
nothing too worrying. With the standard (high) screen and box (no
pillion), the weave has disappeared?
With a pillion, with either screen there is no weave at all:o)
This is without panniers, they don't seem to make any difference!
The pillion, as previously mentioned, makes a difference to the air flow.

Mick,Scotland,UK.