Trophy

[Stef Kirk]

Unfortunatly they dont bloody sell them any more !
Heard a few weeks ago about this, Pans hitting a high speed weave over the ton. Three coppers in England have lost there lives recently on the 1300 Pan.
Apparently the civilian bike also weaves, cant see why it would only be the Police bike as civilian pans would be carrying alot more weight, especially if they have a top box. Apparently strathclyde and the lothian/borders forces have just bought a load of BMW's

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6657709.stm 

Stef
Scotland

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[daverider06]

After riding my 96' now for 8years and always having the panniers and Top box on, I agree with Kens conclusions largely. I don't ride really fast often, but have on several occasions toped the 100 mile mark with no noticeable wiggles, in fact the machine has always been very stable at high speeds. I suspect the wind at the time,  or possible tire condition would have a greater affect then pannier / topbox . Just my 2 cents worth. Ride Safe!
  Dave 96' 1200 " Merlot Red" 97 Thunderbird Classic.


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[Greg Andrews-2]

Thanks to those who wrote in,
Here's my take on things. First off I should say I made a mistake. My
current Clearview is a small not a medium. When I had the medium screen
it was more stable at high speed. I found that the medium screen gave a
1-2 inch gap of still air above my head. The guess still air continued
on back and kept things aerodynamically stable. Nice and quiet with no
buffetting from the wind. That's probably why Ken found it stable at
speed with the top box.

Yet, on a long day's ride I'd get tired and began to sloutch and look
through the screen. Hmmm, can I take a little off the top of the screen?
In a flash of stupidity I cut the medium Clearview down 1&1/2 inches.
Big mistake. No more still air above above my helmet, the air stream
just touched the helmet. Much noise and buffetting. How to fix? Laminar
lip didn't work.

I then purchased a small Clearview screen. The buffeting was gone but
the fast jet of air was still touching my helmet. Noisey. How to fix?
Two things that worked. Molded earplugs from plugup.com  I went with
the option to have the speakers in the earplugs. Also I modified the
seat, carved some of the foam. The seat is now more level, and the
family jewels were given some more room. I can now get my feet more
firmly on the ground. The air is quieter, but really comfortable with
the earplugs. This fall I plan to buy another medium Clearview. Anyone
want a small, or cut down medium, Clearview? Both with the closeable
vent, cheap
Greg Andrews
'95&'96 900
Lots of smiles


"Trophy Mick" wrote:
(no pillion), I get a slight weave,
standard (high)screen and box (no pillion), the weave has disappeared?
With a pillion, with either screen there is no weave at all:0)
The pillion, makes a difference to the air flow.
Mick,Scotland,UK.

[jmormerod]

--- In TriumphTrophy@..., David Davenport
<davenport-d@...> wrote:
 I suspect the wind at the time,  or possible tire condition would
have a greater affect then pannier / topbox . Just my 2 cents worth.
Ride Safe!
>   Dave 96' 1200 " Merlot Red" 97 Thunderbird Classic.



No,it's definitely the screen on mine, sport screen + box = weave,
standard screen + box = no weave. Passenger on board + box = no weave
with either screen.
Panniers only, WITHOUT topbox = no weave!
My small 28 litre top box has no effects on the bike under any
conditions, it's just the bigger topbox that catches the air when
ridden solo, causing a gentle weave;o) This has been my mission for a
couple of weeks, and it is the only conclusion I can get.
This is with Avon Storms only about 1500 miles worn, and at the
correct pressure. Also I tried altering the tyre pressure by a couple
of psi either way, and this made no difference!
Another thing is, when loaded up with camping gear and large topbox,
with the tent and other things on passenger seat in front of the
topbox, no weave;o)
Air pressure is a strange thing!


Mick,Scotland,UK.

[Robert-321]

Mick.  Loaded that way, why are you running 125+ MPH ?
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: TriumphTrophy@...
[mailto:TriumphTrophy@...] On Behalf Of Trophy Mick
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 12:26 PM
To: TriumphTrophy@...
Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Re: Little weave, little wiggle with panniers
and top box



--- In TriumphTrophy@ <mailto:TriumphTrophy%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, David Davenport
<davenport-d@...> wrote:
I suspect the wind at the time, or possible tire condition would
have a greater affect then pannier / topbox . Just my 2 cents worth.
Ride Safe!
> Dave 96' 1200 " Merlot Red" 97 Thunderbird Classic.

No,it's definitely the screen on mine, sport screen + box = weave,
standard screen + box = no weave. Passenger on board + box = no weave
with either screen.
Panniers only, WITHOUT topbox = no weave!
My small 28 litre top box has no effects on the bike under any
conditions, it's just the bigger topbox that catches the air when
ridden solo, causing a gentle weave;o) This has been my mission for a
couple of weeks, and it is the only conclusion I can get.
This is with Avon Storms only about 1500 miles worn, and at the
correct pressure. Also I tried altering the tyre pressure by a couple
of psi either way, and this made no difference!
Another thing is, when loaded up with camping gear and large topbox,
with the tent and other things on passenger seat in front of the
topbox, no weave;o)
Air pressure is a strange thing!

Mick,Scotland,UK.



 



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[Wm Snyder]

On a recent trip with everything loaded full-up and my wife on the pillion, I noticed that the bike seemed REALLY prone to wobbles caused by buffetting and turbulence set up by tractor-trailer rigs on the Pennsylvania Turnpike (a bad place to go on a bike).  Out in the narrow valleys and tight s-turns of Cambria County it felt like Godzilla had the bike by the grabrails and was trying to throw it down on its side. I found that by whacking her open and acheiving 90+ mph, the ride actually got smoother and we got way out ahead of the offending trucks. The rear shock is getting pretty krappy, though, and that might have been a big factor here.

David Davenport <davenport-d@...> wrote:          After riding my 96' now for 8years and always having the panniers and Top box on, I agree with Kens conclusions largely. I don't ride really fast often, but have on several occasions toped the 100 mile mark with no noticeable wiggles, in fact the machine has always been very stable at high speeds. I suspect the wind at the time, or possible tire condition would have a greater affect then pannier / topbox . Just my 2 cents worth. Ride Safe!
Dave 96' 1200 " Merlot Red" 97 Thunderbird Classic.

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[Ron Willoughby-2]

Well, I need to spell out that this is not stock bike by any means so
the handling is probably quite different than a stocker. I already
mentioned the engine. The suspension is a type IV Ohlins in the rear
with a full Race Tech Front suspension and 6 pot front brakes. I am
running a tall stock screen. The tires are Pilot Roads. It also has
Sprint wheels which are little stronger. As I mentioned even with all
three Givi Bags on (the topcase is an E52 which is larger than stock)
it is dead stable up to about 140mph.

I just rode an 2006 FJR and it felt similar for stability but had no
character and felt like an applicance. Much more engine heat than my
95 Trophy even with the newer FJR bodywork. I did like the electric
windscreen but those have been around for awhile.

We had a Triumph demo ride truck here this weekend and got to ride the
675 and Tiger. Well I know I won't be riding any more sport bikes like
 that again. My neck and wrists can't take the strain. Great bike the
675; handling and motor were wonderful. Wonderful for a track day.

The Tiger was very much like the Trophy with less wind protection but
smoother but it was new of course. The bars and seating were really
comfortable but it is not a two-up bike.

Sooooo, haven't rode anything yet to replace the Trophy. I do want to
get a chance to ride the new Concours but even then it's hard to
justify that much money when the Trophy is paid for and just as good
or even better. And they will never match the character.

--- In TriumphTrophy@..., "alex_dz" <alexdz@...> wrote:

>
> Interesting, I just went through the luggage "instability" question
> myself.  The last time I did a long trip, I had the Clearview medium
> on with panniers and top box.  I did NOT like the feeling at high
> speeds, especially passing large trucks.  At the time I blamed the
> Clearview and went back to the stock screen--which despite being very
> loud gives me less buffeting than the Clearview (my Laminar Lip
> experiment, while successful, ended last year because I got sick of
> looking through it).
>
> Anyway, since then I've mainly used the bike for my commute, with the
> stock screen, top box, and NO panniers.  This configuration proved
> stable enough at the max 80-90 mph speeds I typically see.  The other
> day I put the panniers back on the bike and went for an interstate
> run, and whoa did it feel squirrely!  I came home and took the top box
> off and did it again with just the panniers and it was fine.
>
> So, to sum up:  Top box no panniers, stable; panniers no top box,
> stable; panniers and top box, squirrely!  Clearview, possibly falsely
> accused of being squirrely, although possibly still a contributor.
> Keep in mind it's a rare event for me to hit 100 around here, so at
> higher speeds things may be completely different.
>
> Alex
>
> --- In TriumphTrophy@..., "Robert Clark" <apsllp@> wrote:
> >
> > Interesting.  When I spoke tot he Triumph rep abouot alternative
> > Windscreen sizes and shapes he wasi that the Trophy was very close to
> > not meeting a certain wind tunnel specification required by some

country
> > out there.  This was supposedly the reason that Triumph only
offered the
> > stock windscreen.
> >  
> > Could the Clearview windscreen shape be one of your causes of
Wiggle at
> > those speeds ?
> >  
> > Having only used the stock screen I have no reference to compare with.
> >  <SNIP>
>

[mcatrophy-2]

--- In TriumphTrophy@..., "Ron Willoughby"
<ronhawkerazm@...> wrote:
> .....
> I just rode an 2006 FJR and it felt similar for stability but had no
> character and felt like an appliance. Much more engine heat than my
> 95 Trophy even with the newer FJR bodywork. I did like the electric
> windscreen but those have been around for awhile. ...
... And they will never match the character.
>
Having been forced into an FJR (arthritis meant using a clutch lever
was too painful, I got the FJR1300AS/AE electric change model), I
have to agree "characterless". But some would say "reliable".

A while ago I wrote in this forum a comparison,
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/TriumphTrophy/message/54536

I would update it to say the FJR does everything the Trophy did, but
quieter, less fuss, fewer problems, less good at attracting onlookers
(but still does), rides better, the performance is superior (except
at very low engine speeds), handles better, and uses less fuel (so
the range is greater). But, I still miss the Trophy!

mcatrophy
'06 FJR!300AS
ex '02 Trophy 1200
ex '02 Bonneville
ex '56 (?) Tiger Cub

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