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Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by Simon Austin-2
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So, Dream Theater's new album comes as a 1CD version, and a 3CD version,
with not one but two bonus discs[1]. It's currently in the DB as the following three titles[2]: Black Clouds & Silver Linings Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 2: Cover Songs)* Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 3: Instrumental Versions)^ This seems wrong somewhat, but I'm not sure of the fix... a) label them all with (disc N) and let the 1cd-ers suck it up b) (disc 2: -> (bonus disc 1: and (disc 3: -> (bonus disc 2: eg as [3], but with subtitles c) add a duplicate (disc 1) d) just label the two bonus discs as (bonus disc: Subtitle) 3) leave as is - Si : chiark 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Clouds_%26_Silver_Linings 2. http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/ba5ef564-b2f8-3bb5-9d8f-57828cfa767c.html 3. http://musicbrainz.org/artist/8ac580bd-5b33-4ee3-83df-8d406908e300.html * subtitle should probably be "Uncovered 2008/2009" ^ subtitle should probably be "Instrumental Mixes" _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by Gecks
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it should be d), as bonus discs aren't usually 'ordered'. unless the
discs are actually numbered in some way? in which case i'd use b). in the latter case it might even be worth adding this example to the BonusDisc wiki page in the discussion section as a cat corner case. no doubt there are others like this. 2009/6/22 Simon Austin <simon@...>: > So, Dream Theater's new album comes as a 1CD version, and a 3CD version, > with not one but two bonus discs[1]. > > It's currently in the DB as the following three titles[2]: > > Black Clouds & Silver Linings > Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 2: Cover Songs)* > Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 3: Instrumental Versions)^ > > This seems wrong somewhat, but I'm not sure of the fix... > > a) label them all with (disc N) and let the 1cd-ers suck it up > b) (disc 2: -> (bonus disc 1: and (disc 3: -> (bonus disc 2: eg as [3], > but with subtitles > c) add a duplicate (disc 1) > d) just label the two bonus discs as (bonus disc: Subtitle) > 3) leave as is > > - Si : chiark > > 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Clouds_%26_Silver_Linings > 2. > http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/ba5ef564-b2f8-3bb5-9d8f-57828cfa767c.html > 3. http://musicbrainz.org/artist/8ac580bd-5b33-4ee3-83df-8d406908e300.html > > * subtitle should probably be "Uncovered 2008/2009" > ^ subtitle should probably be "Instrumental Mixes" > > _______________________________________________ > Musicbrainz-style mailing list > Musicbrainz-style@... > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by Pavan Chander
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I definitely do not agree with duplicating disc 1. I don't think there is anything wrong with the way they're stored in the DB at the moment. From what I can tell the album comes in a 1 CD package, or a 3 CD package; so there shouldn't be a need to have disc 2 pointing to disc 3 with a "bonus" AR, because disc 3 does definitively come with disc 2. As for titles, with NGS around the corner I wouldn't worry about it, they seem just fine to me. To anyone who owns the 3 CD package, disc 2 and 3 are not really bonus discs, they're just the second and third disc of the album, so I see no reason to change them from "disc 2: Cover Songs", to "bonus disc: Cover Songs". Post-NGS the "1cd-ers" will be happy with their 1 CD release, and the people who own the 3 CD release will get to pick from three 3 CD versions. The Australian, UK, or US version as per the current release events on [1]. To sum up, I say just leave them as is. [1] http://musicbrainz.org/release/e11ce7ef-54f1-4cf5-be18-78823e3d9f0e.html On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Simon Austin <simon@...> wrote: So, Dream Theater's new album comes as a 1CD version, and a 3CD version, _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by Gecks
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2009/6/22 Pavan Chander <pchander@...>:
> As for titles, with NGS around the corner I wouldn't worry about it, they > seem just fine to me. To anyone who owns the 3 CD package, disc 2 and 3 are > not really bonus discs, they're just the second and third disc of the album, don't agree with that :) there's a big difference between a true multi-disc release and a bonus disc, and i really think we have to make that distinction. there is a clear primary disc here, and not just in the numerical sense. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Bonus_Disc has some examples of what i mean. i don't see how NGS will change anything for this sort of thing. _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by Bram van Dijk
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These are 2 bonus discs, so they should be names as such. Bram > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:22:25 +0100 > From: chris@... > To: musicbrainz-style@... > Subject: Re: [mb-style] Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha! > > 2009/6/22 Pavan Chander <pchander@...>: > > As for titles, with NGS around the corner I wouldn't worry about it, they > > seem just fine to me. To anyone who owns the 3 CD package, disc 2 and 3 are > > not really bonus discs, they're just the second and third disc of the album, > > don't agree with that :) there's a big difference between a true > multi-disc release and a bonus disc, and i really think we have to > make that distinction. there is a clear primary disc here, and not > just in the numerical sense. > > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Bonus_Disc has some examples of what i > mean. i don't see how NGS will change anything for this sort of thing. > > _______________________________________________ > Musicbrainz-style mailing list > Musicbrainz-style@... > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by Kuno Woudt-2
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 08:42:31PM +0100, Simon Austin wrote:
> So, Dream Theater's new album comes as a 1CD version, and a 3CD version, > with not one but two bonus discs[1]. > > It's currently in the DB as the following three titles[2]: > > Black Clouds & Silver Linings > Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 2: Cover Songs)* > Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 3: Instrumental Versions)^ > > This seems wrong somewhat, but I'm not sure of the fix... How are they labeled on the discs/packaging? Does the packaging use 'disc 1' anywhere for the first disc? If not, it shouldn't in the DB, etc.. -- kuno / warp. _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by Fabe56
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Hi, it's should be name like for Sounds of the Universe bonus disc: http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/9106c01e-b3f3-3c4b-bf18-b058a5819605.html - Black Clouds & Silver Linings - Black Clouds & Silver Linings (bonus disc 1: Uncovered 2008/2009) - Black Clouds & Silver Linings (bonus disc 2: Instrumental Mixes) This is not necessary to add CD # for Black Clouds & Silver Linings but just for bonus. Fabe56. |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by Simon Austin-2
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Kuno Woudt wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 08:42:31PM +0100, Simon Austin wrote: > >> So, Dream Theater's new album comes as a 1CD version, and a 3CD version, >> with not one but two bonus discs[1]. >> >> It's currently in the DB as the following three titles[2]: >> >> Black Clouds & Silver Linings >> Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 2: Cover Songs)* >> Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 3: Instrumental Versions)^ >> >> This seems wrong somewhat, but I'm not sure of the fix... >> > > How are they labeled on the discs/packaging? > > Does the packaging use 'disc 1' anywhere for the first disc? If not, > it shouldn't in the DB, etc.. > Disc One Black Clouds & Silver Linings <tracklist> Disc Two (Bonus Disc) Uncovered 2008/2009 <tracklist> Disc Three (Bonus Disc) Black Clouds & Silver Linings (Instrumental Mixes) - Si _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by jacobbrett
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Agreed, should probably either be: - Black Clouds & Silver Linings - Black Clouds & Silver Linings (bonus disc 1: Uncovered 2008/2009) - Black Clouds & Silver Linings (bonus disc 2: Instrumental Mixes) or - Black Clouds & Silver Linings - Black Clouds & Silver Linings (bonus disc: Uncovered 2008/2009) - Black Clouds & Silver Linings (bonus disc: Instrumental Mixes) depending on whether or not the disc order is in any way indicated by the packaging/cd labels... Off-topic, but I was thinking last night: what if there was a cassette-only release, of which some versions came with a bonus cassette. Would you call it a 'bonus disc'? :P |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by Kuno Woudt-2
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 07:38:01PM +0100, Simon Austin wrote:
> Kuno Woudt wrote: > It has, on the back/in the insert: > > Disc One > Black Clouds & Silver Linings > <tracklist> > > Disc Two (Bonus Disc) > Uncovered 2008/2009 > <tracklist> > > Disc Three (Bonus Disc) > Black Clouds & Silver Linings > (Instrumental Mixes) In that case, I would duplicate the first disc. So the box becomes: Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 1) Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 2: Uncovered 2008/2009) Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 3: Instrumental Mixes) I understand most people would not consider the difference between 'Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 1)' and 'Black Clouds & Silver Linings' significant enough for duplication, for me it is. -- kuno / warp. _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by Bram van Dijk
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Disc 2 and 3 are explicitly labelled as bonus discs,
So we should add them as bonus discs. This entails that I am against duplicating the first disc. Kuno Woudt schreef: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 07:38:01PM +0100, Simon Austin wrote: > >> Kuno Woudt wrote: >> It has, on the back/in the insert: >> >> Disc One >> Black Clouds & Silver Linings >> <tracklist> >> >> Disc Two (Bonus Disc) >> Uncovered 2008/2009 >> <tracklist> >> >> Disc Three (Bonus Disc) >> Black Clouds & Silver Linings >> (Instrumental Mixes) >> > > > In that case, I would duplicate the first disc. So the box > becomes: > > Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 1) > Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 2: Uncovered 2008/2009) > Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 3: Instrumental Mixes) > > I understand most people would not consider the difference > between 'Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 1)' and > 'Black Clouds & Silver Linings' significant enough for > duplication, for me it is. > > -- kuno / warp. > > > _______________________________________________ > Musicbrainz-style mailing list > Musicbrainz-style@... > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > > > _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by jacobbrett
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Bram van Dijk wrote: > > Disc 2 and 3 are explicitly labelled as bonus discs, > So we should add them as bonus discs. > This entails that I am against duplicating the first disc. > > Kuno Woudt schreef: >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 07:38:01PM +0100, Simon Austin wrote: >> >>> Kuno Woudt wrote: >>> It has, on the back/in the insert: >>> >>> Disc One >>> Black Clouds & Silver Linings >>> <tracklist> >>> >>> Disc Two (Bonus Disc) >>> Uncovered 2008/2009 >>> <tracklist> >>> >>> Disc Three (Bonus Disc) >>> Black Clouds & Silver Linings >>> (Instrumental Mixes) >>> >> >> >> In that case, I would duplicate the first disc. So the box >> becomes: >> >> Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 1) >> Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 2: Uncovered 2008/2009) >> Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 3: Instrumental Mixes) >> >> I understand most people would not consider the difference >> between 'Black Clouds & Silver Linings (disc 1)' and >> 'Black Clouds & Silver Linings' significant enough for >> duplication, for me it is. >> >> -- kuno / warp. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Musicbrainz-style mailing list >> Musicbrainz-style@... >> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Musicbrainz-style mailing list > Musicbrainz-style@... > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > > distinguishes them from standard 'discs 1/2/3' - they should be known as bonus discs as there is a standard version of the album without them. The main question should be whether or not to name them 'bonus disc 1/2'. I think it would make sense to as per 'disc 1/2'. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Two...-two-bonus-discs...-ha-ha-ha-ha%21-tp3138293p3148297.html Sent from the Style discussions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by Kuno Woudt-2
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 05:09:51AM -0700, jacobbrett wrote:
> > Bram van Dijk wrote: > > I Agree to labelling them as bonus discs as labelled on the CDs. This > distinguishes them from standard 'discs 1/2/3' - they should be known as > bonus discs as there is a standard version of the album without them. The > main question should be whether or not to name them 'bonus disc 1/2'. I > think it would make sense to as per 'disc 1/2'. Do I understand correctly that you want to name them 'bonus disc 1' and 'bonus disc 2' ? That would be very confusing if the actual packaging is talking about disc 2 and disc 3. -- kuno / warp. _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by jacobbrett
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Kuno Woudt wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 05:09:51AM -0700, jacobbrett wrote: >> >> Bram van Dijk wrote: >> >> I Agree to labelling them as bonus discs as labelled on the CDs. This >> distinguishes them from standard 'discs 1/2/3' - they should be known as >> bonus discs as there is a standard version of the album without them. The >> main question should be whether or not to name them 'bonus disc 1/2'. I >> think it would make sense to as per 'disc 1/2'. > > Do I understand correctly that you want to name them 'bonus disc 1' and > 'bonus disc 2' ? That would be very confusing if the actual packaging > is talking about disc 2 and disc 3. > > -- kuno / warp. > > > _______________________________________________ > Musicbrainz-style mailing list > Musicbrainz-style@... > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > > more correct as they *are* bonus discs and not part of the actual album per say. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Two...-two-bonus-discs...-ha-ha-ha-ha%21-tp3138293p3148431.html Sent from the Style discussions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by Kuno Woudt-2
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 05:36:30AM -0700, jacobbrett wrote:
> > > Potentially confusing, yes (if the discs didn't have their own titles), but > more correct as they *are* bonus discs and not part of the actual album per > say. But they ARE part of the actual album. This edition of it anyway. (actually two editions from the looks of it, a 3CD one and a 3CD+1DVD edition). The packaging uses disc 1, disc 2 and disc 3. If I have this edition of the album, I definitely want the metadata in my files to match with it. Similarly, if the packaging doesn't use the word 'bonus' anywhere, I see no reason to include it in the title in musicbrainz. Keep in mind that DiscNumberStyle is not a StrongGuideline. So, according to the StylePrinciple we should stick with the 'disc 2' / 'disc 3' designation without 'bonus'. As that is what is how they are labeled "on official sources". -- kuno / warp. _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by Frederic Da Vitoria
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2009/6/24 Kuno Woudt <kuno@...>
Kuno, I don't understand: Simon wrote: It has, on the back/in the insert: IIUC, this means "Bonus Disc" is actually printed somewhere on the release. What "official source" could be stronger than that? Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by jacobbrett
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Kuno Woudt wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 05:36:30AM -0700, jacobbrett wrote: >> > >> Potentially confusing, yes (if the discs didn't have their own titles), >> but >> more correct as they *are* bonus discs and not part of the actual album >> per >> say. > > But they ARE part of the actual album. This edition of it anyway. > (actually two editions from the looks of it, a 3CD one and a 3CD+1DVD > edition). > > The packaging uses disc 1, disc 2 and disc 3. If I have this edition of > the > album, I definitely want the metadata in my files to match with it. > > Similarly, if the packaging doesn't use the word 'bonus' anywhere, I see > no > reason to include it in the title in musicbrainz. > > Keep in mind that DiscNumberStyle is not a StrongGuideline. So, according > to the StylePrinciple we should stick with the 'disc 2' / 'disc 3' > designation > without 'bonus'. As that is what is how they are labeled "on official > sources". > > -- kuno / warp. > > > _______________________________________________ > Musicbrainz-style mailing list > Musicbrainz-style@... > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > > 1/main content. This situation is tricky, you yourself stated the labelling: "Disc Two (Bonus Disc) Uncovered 2008/2009 <tracklist> Disc Three (Bonus Disc) Black Clouds & Silver Linings (Instrumental Mixes)" They are clearly marked as both 'bonus disc' and 'disc 2/3'. My logic is simply that as they are not part of the main album content (disc 1), and are supplementary and that they are also labelled 'bonus disc', that it is probably more appropriate to categorise them as such. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Two...-two-bonus-discs...-ha-ha-ha-ha%21-tp3138293p3149009.html Sent from the Style discussions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by Bram van Dijk
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But the packaging does include the word "bonus disc".
Kuno Woudt schreef: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 05:36:30AM -0700, jacobbrett wrote: > >> Potentially confusing, yes (if the discs didn't have their own titles), but >> more correct as they *are* bonus discs and not part of the actual album per >> say. >> > > But they ARE part of the actual album. This edition of it anyway. > (actually two editions from the looks of it, a 3CD one and a 3CD+1DVD > edition). > > The packaging uses disc 1, disc 2 and disc 3. If I have this edition of the > album, I definitely want the metadata in my files to match with it. > > Similarly, if the packaging doesn't use the word 'bonus' anywhere, I see no > reason to include it in the title in musicbrainz. > > Keep in mind that DiscNumberStyle is not a StrongGuideline. So, according > to the StylePrinciple we should stick with the 'disc 2' / 'disc 3' designation > without 'bonus'. As that is what is how they are labeled "on official sources". > > -- kuno / warp. > > > _______________________________________________ > Musicbrainz-style mailing list > Musicbrainz-style@... > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > > > _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: Two... two bonus discs... ha ha ha ha!
by Kuno Woudt-2
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 04:20:47PM +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:
> Simon wrote: > > It has, on the back/in the insert: > > > > Disc One > > Black Clouds & Silver Linings > > <tracklist> > > > > Disc Two (Bonus Disc) > > Uncovered 2008/2009 > > <tracklist> > > > > Disc Three (Bonus Disc) > > Black Clouds & Silver Linings > > (Instrumental Mixes) > > > IIUC, this means "Bonus Disc" is actually printed somewhere on the release. > What "official source" could be stronger than that? Woops, sorry, you're right. My mistake. Thanks for pointing that out :) -- kuno / warp. _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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