Uk prices v us prices

[ltgesq]

Over the years I have found that uk bikes are ridden longer and harder  
than in the states. A 10 year old bike here isn't necessarily in rough  
shape as garages are much more common. On the other hand, it is really  
hard to find a faired bike here with any age that hasn't been crashed  
or raced.
The licensing requirements are so lax that many people buy a 130hp  
machine as their first bike. It usually gets dropped within the first  
6 months. Condition is key. My 99 looked as if it had just come off  
the showroom floor. By now it would have been relegated to "winter  
hack" status if it was over seas.

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[Poppa Jack]

I'd beg to differ with you Friend. I've seen motorcycles of every  
ilk. Some are "Trailer Queens", I'll give you, but by in large, you'd  
find us a very hard riding crowd. It's considered very "poor form" to  
show up at any rally, on any thing but your bike. Here in the Great  
Southwestern US. Riding all year round is the norm. I've  heard of  
all the salt, and ice damage you must endure. Not to mention the  
crazy cold weather! My hat's off to you all! Tomorrow here is 78  
degrees f, with a 66 degree low. I've still got some "chicken-strips"  
to knock off....BOO!!  Hope you folks had a fun week-end!
  KIndest regards,
   Poppa Jack


On Oct 31, 2009, at 9:01 AM, LUTHER GARCIA wrote:

> Over the years I have found that uk bikes are ridden longer and harder
> than in the states. A 10 year old bike here isn't necessarily in rough
> shape as garages are much more common. On the other hand, it is really
> hard to find a faired bike here with any age that hasn't been crashed
> or raced.
> The licensing requirements are so lax that many people buy a 130hp
> machine as their first bike. It usually gets dropped within the first
> 6 months. Condition is key. My 99 looked as if it had just come off
> the showroom floor. By now it would have been relegated to "winter
> hack" status if it was over seas.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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[Poppa Jack]

Hi Luther,
   I'm not getting just what uoy want from us?  We are a group of  
bikers that happen to ride similar bikes.  Our bikes aren't generally  
"thrashers", and are better thyan well kept. You have stumbled into  
us with a profit motive.
Good day sir,
  Poppa Jack
On Oct 31, 2009, at 9:01 AM, LUTHER GARCIA wrote:

> Over the years I have found that uk bikes are ridden longer and harder
> than in the states. A 10 year old bike here isn't necessarily in rough
> shape as garages are much more common. On the other hand, it is really
> hard to find a faired bike here with any age that hasn't been crashed
> or raced.
> The licensing requirements are so lax that many people buy a 130hp
> machine as their first bike. It usually gets dropped within the first
> 6 months. Condition is key. My 99 looked as if it had just come off
> the showroom floor. By now it would have been relegated to "winter
> hack" status if it was over seas.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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[ltgesq]

I don't want anything.  I have no profit motive as I am not selling  
anything.  My business is not in biking.   I merely pointed out the  
price of a local bike to defuse the idea that US bikes are more  
expensive.  The members of this group are hardly representative of the  
average motorcyclist, as they are all devoted to a bike that has been  
out of production since 02.
I was merely making the point that when shopping for a used sport or  
sport touring bike in the states, it is difficult to find one that has  
not been dropped (crashed).     Part of that is the drinking that  
seems to go with pub to pub crawls.   Another part is the fact that on  
average people are buying bikes as status symbols, and as recreational  
machines, and not as daily transportation (except in the hot and dry  
southwest).    The final issue is very few people here have manual  
transmission cars, so when they buy a bike, not only do they have to  
learn how to ride , they also have to learn how to shift, use a  
clutch, start on a hill, and everything else that a manual  
transmission driver has already mastered.   Consequently, the bike is  
never ridden. Or, it is dropped in the parking lot at the test ride.

While shopping for my Trophy, I looked at a clean 01 sprint with 12k  
miles that the owner wanted 3800 for, an 02 centennial daytona that  
was priced at $4650 with 2600 miles but bubbling paint, a number of  
wrecked Sprint RS's which had been described as "scratched", and a few  
Old daytona 900's that the owners seemed reluctant to sell once they  
found out i was a lawyer.    My trophy 900 was the last bike i looked  
at, and it had everything i wanted including luggage, plenty of power,  
that bulletproof triple engine, comfortable seating for either my wife  
or one of my kids, and a comfortable riding position--on top of being  
just gorgeous.    I was happy to pay $3700 for the bike as the  
previous owner had taken really good care of it, and it looked  
showroom new despite 30k miles.   SInce october 3, I have logged over  
1000 miles on it during the most miserable fall we have had in years.  
Heavy rains 3 out of every five days, and only 3-5 days in the month  
where the temperature has peaked over 60.

Used triumphs are really difficult to find in indiana.  There is one  
dealer within 200 miles, and their showroom which used to be filled  
with triumphs now consists of one of each model triumph (i think), a  
few of last year's models, and two used bikes.   By square footage and  
window space, Victory cycles and Polaris ATVs are much more featured.  
There are no Manuals available, and triumph aftermarket parts are all  
special order items.  The clothing selection consists of a clearance  
rack filled with fabric jackets,  4 triumph chevron rainsuits, and a  
bunch of t-shirts.  They are also the local BMW dealer, and have a  
more extensive assortment of BMW Gear.

Luther T.  Garcia


And as far as bikes go, I've been riding triumphs since 86.  The  
trophy was the first left shift bike I have ever owned.



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[ldwolfe]

Spitzie's, the local Triumph dealer in Albany,N.Y. Has relegated the Triumphs to back corner status with no showroom lighting, no accessories, no apparel, and no replacement parts. Not even an oil filter. They have maybe 6 bikes on display & that's it. It appears that Triumph is about to abandon the U.S. market. If not, they sure don't seem to care a whole lot. I called Triumph in Georgia & wrote a letter to U.K. to inquire as to why I no longer get my Torque/MPH magazine & the Ga. folks couldn't care less, & the U.K. People wouldn't extend the courtesy of a reply in any manner. So much for customer service.
L.D.
?:-)
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: LUTHER GARCIA <ltgesq@...>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:58:09
To: <TriumphTrophy@...>
Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Re: Uk prices v us prices

I don't want anything.  I have no profit motive as I am not selling  
anything.  My business is not in biking.   I merely pointed out the  
price of a local bike to defuse the idea that US bikes are more  
expensive.  The members of this group are hardly representative of the  
average motorcyclist, as they are all devoted to a bike that has been  
out of production since 02.
I was merely making the point that when shopping for a used sport or  
sport touring bike in the states, it is difficult to find one that has  
not been dropped (crashed).     Part of that is the drinking that  
seems to go with pub to pub crawls.   Another part is the fact that on  
average people are buying bikes as status symbols, and as recreational  
machines, and not as daily transportation (except in the hot and dry  
southwest).    The final issue is very few people here have manual  
transmission cars, so when they buy a bike, not only do they have to  
learn how to ride , they also have to learn how to shift, use a  
clutch, start on a hill, and everything else that a manual  
transmission driver has already mastered.   Consequently, the bike is  
never ridden. Or, it is dropped in the parking lot at the test ride.

While shopping for my Trophy, I looked at a clean 01 sprint with 12k  
miles that the owner wanted 3800 for, an 02 centennial daytona that  
was priced at $4650 with 2600 miles but bubbling paint, a number of  
wrecked Sprint RS's which had been described as "scratched", and a few  
Old daytona 900's that the owners seemed reluctant to sell once they  
found out i was a lawyer.    My trophy 900 was the last bike i looked  
at, and it had everything i wanted including luggage, plenty of power,  
that bulletproof triple engine, comfortable seating for either my wife  
or one of my kids, and a comfortable riding position--on top of being  
just gorgeous.    I was happy to pay $3700 for the bike as the  
previous owner had taken really good care of it, and it looked  
showroom new despite 30k miles.   SInce october 3, I have logged over  
1000 miles on it during the most miserable fall we have had in years.  
Heavy rains 3 out of every five days, and only 3-5 days in the month  
where the temperature has peaked over 60.

Used triumphs are really difficult to find in indiana.  There is one  
dealer within 200 miles, and their showroom which used to be filled  
with triumphs now consists of one of each model triumph (i think), a  
few of last year's models, and two used bikes.   By square footage and  
window space, Victory cycles and Polaris ATVs are much more featured.  
There are no Manuals available, and triumph aftermarket parts are all  
special order items.  The clothing selection consists of a clearance  
rack filled with fabric jackets,  4 triumph chevron rainsuits, and a  
bunch of t-shirts.  They are also the local BMW dealer, and have a  
more extensive assortment of BMW Gear.

Luther T.  Garcia


And as far as bikes go, I've been riding triumphs since 86.  The  
trophy was the first left shift bike I have ever owned.



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[nort75mk3]

I believe Mr. Garcia has answered most of his own questions.  These
machines we have are just recreational. Most of us here don't live in an  area
where a bike can be ridden as a daily rider all year long. It's a weekend  run
with your buddy kind of toy. And if your buddy happens to have a brand X  
poser bike chances are you'll buy one too in a different  color.
When I was growing up just about everyone had to learn to  drive a stick
shift or you didn't drive. In my house, I was told, any dummy  can drive an
automatic. If you lived on a farm and drove the farm equipment  it became
second nature. The stick shift is no longer considered  an economical feature on
a car I believe . Automatic  transmissions are just as efficient as a stick.
Those nice low mileage bikes can be found just about anywhere.  From those
who have left the sport and to those that can't afford the up  keep of a
second vehicle. There will always be the 'crashed & dropped  variety' out
there. You know the guy, that was driving way over his head trying  to keep up
with his buddy. Then the stupid human trick rider. Opps !  You may have
represented some of those guys in your profession.
Your favorite brand here doesn't hold it's value as  much as we would like
it to. So that makes for a lot of bargains out there. So  concerned yourself
lucky that one of those weekend riders took good care of his  bike and you
happened along to find it.
The only difference between the UK & USA prices are the  value of the
dollar.......
 
ride safe,
 
 
 
Tim
96  trident
96 thunderbird
USA


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