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Re: Update from Paris

by Craig Franklin-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Hi All,

 

Will there be an official communiqué concerning the things that were discussed at this conference?  Some of the GLAM institutes that I am working with would doubtlessly be interested in what’s planned for the future where Commons is concerned.

 

Cheers,

Craig F.

 

From: commons-l-bounces@... [mailto:commons-l-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen
Sent: Monday, 9 November 2009 6:37 PM
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Subject: [Commons-l] Update from Paris

 

Hoi.
The French chapter did a wonderful job organising some of the brightest lights that deal with Commons in one place. Many subjects were discussed and some things were achieved.

The two (technical) things that stand out on the achieving part..

  • there is now global usage for images from within MediaWiki itself.. so no need for using the toolserver... The process of gathering all the necessary data may now have ended..
  • a first stab has been made at subtitles for video
  • In the discussion there were many things I found absolutely wonderful:
  • the workflow of uploads will be reconsidered; this means that a "working area" will exists where pictures can have a temporary home. This will allow to upload a batch of images and tag them all with shared attributes.. It will also allow for the checking of known issues BEFORE they go live
  • This working or staging area would also exist for GLAMs or competitions
  • A demo was given for what a competion workflow might look like
  • Pictures are now deleted when certain attributes are wrong or missing.. When they are pushed back into the staging area, we are less nasty and allow for cooperation 
  • Social networking tools help us support newbies, resolve issues in a quiet way.. This helps us realise our objectives; write an encyclopaedia, build a kick arse freely licensed resource of multi media
  • there is a mailing list for people involved in GLAM and the outreach to GLAM, many people subscribed and hopefully this will lead to better coordination and in shared lessons learned

It was a great meeting.. There were a few critical issues as far as I am concerned:

  • several relevant people refuse to post / answer on the foundation-l. The list proves to be irrelevant because this list does not get that message
  • currently there is no alternative... LiquidThreads may help as it is a pull not a push mechanism ...
  • some people I missed at the meeting, Durova being the most notable
  • our focus was about improving Commons for the people that use it particuarly as contributors.. The success of our project is however the result of use and reuse. \
  • subtitles was one of the more important novelties, we need to make the reuse in WordPress, Drupal .... as easy as the reuse of Commons in MediaWiki !! The API is getting to the stage where that is doable

Thanks,
    GerardM


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Update from Paris

by Gerard Meijssen-3 :: Rate this Message:

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Hoi.
The French chapter did a wonderful job organising some of the brightest lights that deal with Commons in one place. Many subjects were discussed and some things were achieved.

The two (technical) things that stand out on the achieving part..
  • there is now global usage for images from within MediaWiki itself.. so no need for using the toolserver... The process of gathering all the necessary data may now have ended..
  • a first stab has been made at subtitles for video
  • In the discussion there were many things I found absolutely wonderful:
  • the workflow of uploads will be reconsidered; this means that a "working area" will exists where pictures can have a temporary home. This will allow to upload a batch of images and tag them all with shared attributes.. It will also allow for the checking of known issues BEFORE they go live
  • This working or staging area would also exist for GLAMs or competitions
  • A demo was given for what a competion workflow might look like
  • Pictures are now deleted when certain attributes are wrong or missing.. When they are pushed back into the staging area, we are less nasty and allow for cooperation 
  • Social networking tools help us support newbies, resolve issues in a quiet way.. This helps us realise our objectives; write an encyclopaedia, build a kick arse freely licensed resource of multi media
  • there is a mailing list for people involved in GLAM and the outreach to GLAM, many people subscribed and hopefully this will lead to better coordination and in shared lessons learned
It was a great meeting.. There were a few critical issues as far as I am concerned:
  • several relevant people refuse to post / answer on the foundation-l. The list proves to be irrelevant because this list does not get that message
  • currently there is no alternative... LiquidThreads may help as it is a pull not a push mechanism ...
  • some people I missed at the meeting, Durova being the most notable
  • our focus was about improving Commons for the people that use it particuarly as contributors.. The success of our project is however the result of use and reuse. \
  • subtitles was one of the more important novelties, we need to make the reuse in WordPress, Drupal .... as easy as the reuse of Commons in MediaWiki !! The API is getting to the stage where that is doable
Thanks,
    GerardM

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Re: Update from Paris

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Hi Gerard, thanks for your report,
  • there is now global usage for images from within MediaWiki itself.. so no need for using the toolserver... The process of gathering all the necessary data may now have ended..
I hadn't seen that, that's nice. Results seem to be incomplete, though, is it working only on a subset of the servers?
  • the workflow of uploads will be reconsidered; this means that a "working area" will exists where pictures can have a temporary home. This will allow to upload a batch of images and tag them all with shared attributes.. It will also allow for the checking of known issues BEFORE they go live
I am much interested in that point and the subjects related to this planned modification of the workflow, where can we find more information about that?
  • This working or staging area would also exist for GLAMs or competitions
What's GLAM again?
  • Social networking tools help us support newbies, resolve issues in a quiet way.
What do you mean? Any specific details available anywhere?

Thanks again
Eusebius


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Re: Update from Paris

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2009/11/9 Eusebius <wikipedia@...>
Hi Gerard, thanks for your report,

  • there is now global usage for images from within MediaWiki itself.. so no need for using the toolserver... The process of gathering all the necessary data may now have ended..
I hadn't seen that, that's nice. Results seem to be incomplete, though, is it working only on a subset of the servers?
  • the workflow of uploads will be reconsidered; this means that a "working area" will exists where pictures can have a temporary home. This will allow to upload a batch of images and tag them all with shared attributes.. It will also allow for the checking of known issues BEFORE they go live
I am much interested in that point and the subjects related to this planned modification of the workflow, where can we find more information about that?

  • This working or staging area would also exist for GLAMs or competitions
What's GLAM again?
  • Social networking tools help us support newbies, resolve issues in a quiet way.
What do you mean? Any specific details available anywhere?

Thanks again
Eusebius

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Re: Update from Paris

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On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Eusebius <wikipedia@...> wrote:
> Hi Gerard, thanks for your report,
>
>> there is now global usage for images from within MediaWiki itself.. so no
>> need for using the toolserver... The process of gathering all the necessary
>> data may now have ended..
>
> I hadn't seen that, that's nice. Results seem to be incomplete, though, is
> it working only on a subset of the servers?
>

Currently only data is available for pages that have been edited since
the extension was enabled. We are currently dealing with some
technical problems which happened in the process of populating data
from other pages, and I hope that we will soon have a complete data
set.


Bryan

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Re: Update from Paris

by Gerard Meijssen-3 :: Rate this Message:

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Hoi,
There is some documentation from the sessions on the Usability Wiki. They are notes taken at the sessions. They reflect what was said but not necessarily gives a good impression on the thinking behind it.

What we agreed on in Paris is that some administrators effectively prevent new users learning how to become Wikimedians. Some say they are a self selecting group of assholes that (may) mean well... By introducing technology that makes it easy to be friendly, we hope that many admins prove not to be assholes. Particularly for Commons there is a need to help people out. Commons is a multi lingual project and it is not easy at all to understand or appreciate the wall of information that is expected to be understood the first time around when you speak English. People who do not speak English do not stand a chance and, this has to be made easier.
Thanks,
     GerardM

2009/11/9 Eusebius <wikipedia@...>
Hi Gerard, thanks for your report,

  • there is now global usage for images from within MediaWiki itself.. so no need for using the toolserver... The process of gathering all the necessary data may now have ended..
I hadn't seen that, that's nice. Results seem to be incomplete, though, is it working only on a subset of the servers?
  • the workflow of uploads will be reconsidered; this means that a "working area" will exists where pictures can have a temporary home. This will allow to upload a batch of images and tag them all with shared attributes.. It will also allow for the checking of known issues BEFORE they go live
I am much interested in that point and the subjects related to this planned modification of the workflow, where can we find more information about that?

  • This working or staging area would also exist for GLAMs or competitions
What's GLAM again?
  • Social networking tools help us support newbies, resolve issues in a quiet way.
What do you mean? Any specific details available anywhere?

Thanks again
Eusebius

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Re: Update from Paris

by Gerard Meijssen-3 :: Rate this Message:

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Hoi,
The conference in Paris was a Commons conference and while important, the GLAM part was only part of what we did. It was a "working conference" very much intended to prepare for the Ford foundation project to improve the usability of Commons.

As you may appreciate, my mail was intended to inform that we have been talking and, to indicate in what direction the thinking was going. There is no intention to write an official communique and if at all it will not have anything firm in there except for "we consider working with GLAM very important". When you work with GLAMs you may also know that there is a mailing list on the subject.

At that we came to the conclusion that we do not necessarily know who is doing what in this field ...
Thanks,
      GerardM

2009/11/8 Craig Franklin <craig@...>

Hi All,

 

Will there be an official communiqué concerning the things that were discussed at this conference?  Some of the GLAM institutes that I am working with would doubtlessly be interested in what’s planned for the future where Commons is concerned.

 

Cheers,

Craig F.

 

From: commons-l-bounces@... [mailto:commons-l-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen
Sent: Monday, 9 November 2009 6:37 PM
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List; Wikimedia Commons Discussion List
Subject: [Commons-l] Update from Paris

 

Hoi.
The French chapter did a wonderful job organising some of the brightest lights that deal with Commons in one place. Many subjects were discussed and some things were achieved.

The two (technical) things that stand out on the achieving part..

  • there is now global usage for images from within MediaWiki itself.. so no need for using the toolserver... The process of gathering all the necessary data may now have ended..
  • a first stab has been made at subtitles for video
  • In the discussion there were many things I found absolutely wonderful:
  • the workflow of uploads will be reconsidered; this means that a "working area" will exists where pictures can have a temporary home. This will allow to upload a batch of images and tag them all with shared attributes.. It will also allow for the checking of known issues BEFORE they go live
  • This working or staging area would also exist for GLAMs or competitions
  • A demo was given for what a competion workflow might look like
  • Pictures are now deleted when certain attributes are wrong or missing.. When they are pushed back into the staging area, we are less nasty and allow for cooperation 
  • Social networking tools help us support newbies, resolve issues in a quiet way.. This helps us realise our objectives; write an encyclopaedia, build a kick arse freely licensed resource of multi media
  • there is a mailing list for people involved in GLAM and the outreach to GLAM, many people subscribed and hopefully this will lead to better coordination and in shared lessons learned

It was a great meeting.. There were a few critical issues as far as I am concerned:

  • several relevant people refuse to post / answer on the foundation-l. The list proves to be irrelevant because this list does not get that message
  • currently there is no alternative... LiquidThreads may help as it is a pull not a push mechanism ...
  • some people I missed at the meeting, Durova being the most notable
  • our focus was about improving Commons for the people that use it particuarly as contributors.. The success of our project is however the result of use and reuse. \
  • subtitles was one of the more important novelties, we need to make the reuse in WordPress, Drupal .... as easy as the reuse of Commons in MediaWiki !! The API is getting to the stage where that is doable

Thanks,
    GerardM


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