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Updated the Infusion Browser support chart
by Justin Obara-3
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Hello,
I have just updated the browser support chart for Infusion to match Yahoo's latest A-grade browser chart. Below is the list of changes posted on the YUI blog. With this update, Mac OS 10.4 Tiger drops from the A-Grade testing matrix (replaced with Mac OS 10.6 Snow Leopard) and the testing surface is reduced to 12 browsers on 4 OS platforms (down from 14 browsers on 4 platforms). Specific changes include:
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Re: Updated the Infusion Browser support chart
by Armin Krauss
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Hello Justin,
I understand that we have to concentrate on some browsers in order to be able to get our releases tested in an acceptable time. However, I would argue for adding testing on Ubuntu with the newest Firefox. This does not have a huge market share, but we could use this platform to test with the Orca screen reader as well. Testing more often with Orca, VoiceOver and Jaws would allow use to cover accessibility issues better. Including the most popular Desktop Linux distribution with one of the most popular browsers would help us to make sure Fluid passes the regular test cycle on this platform. If you then start tests with Orca and with disabled users you do not run into errors that could have be caught during the regular test cycle. I was planning to meet with Alison and Jamon in order to set up our laptop for dual boot and virtual machines that allow use to easily work and test on the Ubuntu platform. Maybe we could also have one instance of a Ubuntu running on a VM so that everyone has access via VNC and does not need to maintain an installation. Any comments and thoughts are more than welcome to get a discussion started. Armin On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 14:09, Justin Obara <obara.justin@...> wrote:
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Re: Updated the Infusion Browser support chart
by Alison Benjamin-2
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I think incorporating testing with Ubuntu in our QA cycles would be a
good thing and I would be happy to help. Alison On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Armin Krauss <mackrauss@...> wrote: > Hello Justin, > > I understand that we have to concentrate on some browsers in order to be > able to get > our releases tested in an acceptable time. However, I would argue for adding > testing > on Ubuntu with the newest Firefox. This does not have a huge market share, > but we > could use this platform to test with the Orca screen reader as well. Testing > more often > with Orca, VoiceOver and Jaws would allow use to cover accessibility issues > better. > > Including the most popular Desktop Linux distribution with one of the most > popular > browsers would help us to make sure Fluid passes the regular test cycle on > this > platform. If you then start tests with Orca and with disabled users you do > not run > into errors that could have be caught during the regular test cycle. > > I was planning to meet with Alison and Jamon in order to set up our laptop > for dual boot > and virtual machines that allow use to easily work and test on the Ubuntu > platform. Maybe > we could also have one instance of a Ubuntu running on a VM so that everyone > has > access via VNC and does not need to maintain an installation. > > Any comments and thoughts are more than welcome to get a discussion started. > > Armin > > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 14:09, Justin Obara <obara.justin@...> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> I have just updated the browser support chart for Infusion to match >> Yahoo's latest A-grade browser chart. >> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Browser+Support+Chart >> >> Below is the list of changes posted on the YUI blog. >> http://yuiblog.com/blog/2009/10/16/gbs-update-2009q4/ >> >> With this update, Mac OS 10.4 Tiger drops from the A-Grade testing matrix >> (replaced with Mac OS 10.6 Snow Leopard) and the testing surface is reduced >> to 12 browsers on 4 OS platforms (down from 14 browsers on 4 platforms). >> Specific changes include: >> >> Initiated A-Grade support for Firefox 3.5.† on Mac OS 10.6.† >> Initiated A-Grade support for Opera 10.0.† on Windows XP >> Discontinued A-Grade support for Firefox 3.0.† on Mac OS 10.5.† >> Discontinued A-Grade support for Firefox 3.5.† on Mac OS 10.5.† >> Discontinued A-Grade support for Safari 3.2.† on Mac OS 10.4.† >> Discontinued A-Grade support for Opera 9.6.† on Windows XP >> >> Thanks >> Justin >> _______________________________________________________ >> fluid-work mailing list - fluid-work@... >> To unsubscribe, change settings or access archives, >> see http://fluidproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work >> > > > _______________________________________________________ > fluid-work mailing list - fluid-work@... > To unsubscribe, change settings or access archives, > see http://fluidproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work > > fluid-work mailing list - fluid-work@... To unsubscribe, change settings or access archives, see http://fluidproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work |
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Re: Updated the Infusion Browser support chart
by Justin Obara-3
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Hello,
Thanks for your keen interest in testing and how it affects all of our users. I suppose I should start by saying that the browser support chart doesn't prevent testing on any other configuration, but is instead the base for what must be covered. You may or may not have noticed that we did testing on linux in the last release of Infusion (1.1.2). That being said, we have tried to stay inline with the Yahoo A-grade browser support. It provides us with a "standard" configuration to follow, which does allow our browser support decisions to be more transparent. I'd be interested in knowing more about what you and others in the community think about this. Thanks Justin On 2009-11-03, at 3:22 PM, Alison Benjamin wrote: > I think incorporating testing with Ubuntu in our QA cycles would be a > good thing and I would be happy to help. > > Alison > > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Armin Krauss > <mackrauss@...> wrote: >> Hello Justin, >> >> I understand that we have to concentrate on some browsers in order >> to be >> able to get >> our releases tested in an acceptable time. However, I would argue >> for adding >> testing >> on Ubuntu with the newest Firefox. This does not have a huge market >> share, >> but we >> could use this platform to test with the Orca screen reader as >> well. Testing >> more often >> with Orca, VoiceOver and Jaws would allow use to cover >> accessibility issues >> better. >> >> Including the most popular Desktop Linux distribution with one of >> the most >> popular >> browsers would help us to make sure Fluid passes the regular test >> cycle on >> this >> platform. If you then start tests with Orca and with disabled users >> you do >> not run >> into errors that could have be caught during the regular test cycle. >> >> I was planning to meet with Alison and Jamon in order to set up our >> laptop >> for dual boot >> and virtual machines that allow use to easily work and test on the >> Ubuntu >> platform. Maybe >> we could also have one instance of a Ubuntu running on a VM so that >> everyone >> has >> access via VNC and does not need to maintain an installation. >> >> Any comments and thoughts are more than welcome to get a discussion >> started. >> >> Armin >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 14:09, Justin Obara <obara.justin@...> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> I have just updated the browser support chart for Infusion to match >>> Yahoo's latest A-grade browser chart. >>> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Browser+Support+Chart >>> >>> Below is the list of changes posted on the YUI blog. >>> http://yuiblog.com/blog/2009/10/16/gbs-update-2009q4/ >>> >>> With this update, Mac OS 10.4 Tiger drops from the A-Grade testing >>> matrix >>> (replaced with Mac OS 10.6 Snow Leopard) and the testing surface >>> is reduced >>> to 12 browsers on 4 OS platforms (down from 14 browsers on 4 >>> platforms). >>> Specific changes include: >>> >>> Initiated A-Grade support for Firefox 3.5.† on Mac OS 10.6.† >>> Initiated A-Grade support for Opera 10.0.† on Windows XP >>> Discontinued A-Grade support for Firefox 3.0.† on Mac OS 10.5.† >>> Discontinued A-Grade support for Firefox 3.5.† on Mac OS 10.5.† >>> Discontinued A-Grade support for Safari 3.2.† on Mac OS 10.4.† >>> Discontinued A-Grade support for Opera 9.6.† on Windows XP >>> >>> Thanks >>> Justin >>> _______________________________________________________ >>> fluid-work mailing list - fluid-work@... >>> To unsubscribe, change settings or access archives, >>> see http://fluidproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________________ >> fluid-work mailing list - fluid-work@... >> To unsubscribe, change settings or access archives, >> see http://fluidproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work >> >> _______________________________________________________ fluid-work mailing list - fluid-work@... To unsubscribe, change settings or access archives, see http://fluidproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work |
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Re: Updated the Infusion Browser support chart
by Alison Benjamin-2
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Hello,
> You may or may not have noticed that we did testing on linux in the last > release of Infusion (1.1.2). Cool, I did not notice that. If more of the same thing is sought in later releases I'll be happy to help out. Thanks, Alison _______________________________________________________ fluid-work mailing list - fluid-work@... To unsubscribe, change settings or access archives, see http://fluidproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work |
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Re: Updated the Infusion Browser support chart
by Colin Clark-2
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On this particular issue, I'm with Justin.
The purpose of the A-Grade chart is to outline a feasible set of platforms on which we can test most thoroughly. It's not about excluding some platforms--our goal is to enable use across a wide variety of platforms and browsers. With limited QA resources, we use the A-Grade list to help us focus. But we're always happy to receive test results from users on all platforms, and we do our best to fix issues on non-A-Grade browsers where possible. It's pretty useful to read Yahoo!'s perspective on graded browser support: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/ As Justin says, several of our developers do use Linux on a regular basis, and Joan was kind enough to submit QA results for it. If you're interested in helping out with Linux testing, please feel very welcome and encouraged to do so. The A-Grade chart will continue to allow us to focus on a baseline of testing and support that our users can rely on for every release. Colin On 3-Nov-09, at 4:00 PM, Justin Obara wrote: > Hello, > > Thanks for your keen interest in testing and how it affects all of > our users. > > I suppose I should start by saying that the browser support chart > doesn't prevent testing on any other configuration, but is instead > the base for what must be covered. > > You may or may not have noticed that we did testing on linux in the > last release of Infusion (1.1.2). > > That being said, we have tried to stay inline with the Yahoo A-grade > browser support. It provides us with a "standard" configuration to > follow, which does allow our browser support decisions to be more > transparent. > > I'd be interested in knowing more about what you and others in the > community think about this. > > Thanks > Justin > > On 2009-11-03, at 3:22 PM, Alison Benjamin wrote: > >> I think incorporating testing with Ubuntu in our QA cycles would be a >> good thing and I would be happy to help. >> >> Alison >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Armin Krauss <mackrauss@... >> > wrote: >>> Hello Justin, >>> >>> I understand that we have to concentrate on some browsers in order >>> to be >>> able to get >>> our releases tested in an acceptable time. However, I would argue >>> for adding >>> testing >>> on Ubuntu with the newest Firefox. This does not have a huge >>> market share, >>> but we >>> could use this platform to test with the Orca screen reader as >>> well. Testing >>> more often >>> with Orca, VoiceOver and Jaws would allow use to cover >>> accessibility issues >>> better. >>> >>> Including the most popular Desktop Linux distribution with one of >>> the most >>> popular >>> browsers would help us to make sure Fluid passes the regular test >>> cycle on >>> this >>> platform. If you then start tests with Orca and with disabled >>> users you do >>> not run >>> into errors that could have be caught during the regular test cycle. >>> >>> I was planning to meet with Alison and Jamon in order to set up >>> our laptop >>> for dual boot >>> and virtual machines that allow use to easily work and test on the >>> Ubuntu >>> platform. Maybe >>> we could also have one instance of a Ubuntu running on a VM so >>> that everyone >>> has >>> access via VNC and does not need to maintain an installation. >>> >>> Any comments and thoughts are more than welcome to get a >>> discussion started. >>> >>> Armin >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 14:09, Justin Obara >>> <obara.justin@...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> I have just updated the browser support chart for Infusion to match >>>> Yahoo's latest A-grade browser chart. >>>> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Browser+Support+Chart >>>> >>>> Below is the list of changes posted on the YUI blog. >>>> http://yuiblog.com/blog/2009/10/16/gbs-update-2009q4/ >>>> >>>> With this update, Mac OS 10.4 Tiger drops from the A-Grade >>>> testing matrix >>>> (replaced with Mac OS 10.6 Snow Leopard) and the testing surface >>>> is reduced >>>> to 12 browsers on 4 OS platforms (down from 14 browsers on 4 >>>> platforms). >>>> Specific changes include: >>>> >>>> Initiated A-Grade support for Firefox 3.5.† on Mac OS 10.6.† >>>> Initiated A-Grade support for Opera 10.0.† on Windows XP >>>> Discontinued A-Grade support for Firefox 3.0.† on Mac OS 10.5.† >>>> Discontinued A-Grade support for Firefox 3.5.† on Mac OS 10.5.† >>>> Discontinued A-Grade support for Safari 3.2.† on Mac OS 10.4.† >>>> Discontinued A-Grade support for Opera 9.6.† on Windows XP >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Justin >>>> _______________________________________________________ >>>> fluid-work mailing list - fluid-work@... >>>> To unsubscribe, change settings or access archives, >>>> see http://fluidproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________________ >>> fluid-work mailing list - fluid-work@... >>> To unsubscribe, change settings or access archives, >>> see http://fluidproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________________ > fluid-work mailing list - fluid-work@... > To unsubscribe, change settings or access archives, > see http://fluidproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work --- Colin Clark Technical Lead, Fluid Project http://fluidproject.org _______________________________________________________ fluid-work mailing list - fluid-work@... 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Re: Updated the Infusion Browser support chart
by Armin Krauss
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Hello,
thanks for the good discussion. I did not know that we tested with Linux and I am happy to hear. I fully understand the reason for the A-Grade browsers to have focus on a selected set of platforms. I don't want to change this considering the enormous time commitment to do the release testing. Maybe we can create a B-Grade browser list. The purpose of this list would be to direct testing that goes beyond the core that we have to cover. This would help to give people, which want to do extra testing, some guidance of what we see as desirable. This could be Firefox on Ubuntu or in the future Opera (since it looks like Opera might drop out of Yahoo's browser listing). Any thoughts on this "alternative" list? We could also give some information on screen readers we want to cover. Since we always talk about accessibility it is from my point of view important to integrate testing with tools like screen readers into our QA cycles. This might not be done for each release but on an ongoing basis. To do so we might want to create a A-Grade listing for assistance technology. Armin On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 16:47, Colin Clark <colinbdclark@...> wrote: On this particular issue, I'm with Justin. _______________________________________________________ fluid-work mailing list - fluid-work@... To unsubscribe, change settings or access archives, see http://fluidproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work |
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Re: Updated the Infusion Browser support chart
by Jess Mitchell
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This sounds to me like a great idea!
Jess ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jess Mitchell Boston, MA, USA Project Manager / Fluid Project / w / 617.326.7753 / c / 919.599.5378 jabber: jessmitchell@... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:34 PM, Armin Krauss wrote: Any thoughts on this "alternative" list? We could also give some information on screen readers _______________________________________________________ fluid-work mailing list - fluid-work@... To unsubscribe, change settings or access archives, see http://fluidproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work |
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