Using Flickr

[Deborah Gilbert]

Hi,

Is anyone here using Flickr? And if so, how are you using it?

What size files are you posting? How do you protect your work from theft there? Have you made any sales or contacts via Flickr?

Any tips?

Is this actually a great new business tool, or just another way to waste time on the computer?

Cheers,
Deborah


...........................

[davidbmcgill73]

Hi Deborah

I use Flickr really to have another web presence. Lately I have been adding a watermark created in CS4 as a deterrent to images being "grabbed". I have had some enquiries from magazines seeking to use images, but, unfortunately, they have been from ones who have no budget and were merely offering to give me a credit. Needless to say I declined!!

I resize my images to 500 pixels on the longest side which results in a file around 200kb in size.

I'm based in the UK, perhaps if you are in the US or elsewhere you may have more joy.

David
www.davidmcgill.co.uk
www.flickr.com/photos/davidmcgillphotography/


--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., "dgishcabibble" <dgishcabibble@...> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Is anyone here using Flickr? And if so, how are you using it?
>
> What size files are you posting? How do you protect your work from theft there? Have you made any sales or contacts via Flickr?
>
> Any tips?
>
> Is this actually a great new business tool, or just another way to waste time on the computer?
>
> Cheers,
> Deborah
>
>
> ...........................
>

[don_mccunn]

Deborah,

I just started using Flickr as a potential way of becoming a contributor at Getty--fingers crossed.

http://www.gettyimages.com/creative/frontdoor/contributors?isource=usa_nav_images_whatsnew_contributors

The maximum image size at Flickr is 1024 pixels for a large photo so there doesn't seem any point going larger.

I watermark all my images on Flickr with a copyright statement as it appears anyone has access to the image and can print it.

For secure photo display I use SmugMug. You can sell prints directly from that and they have great security features such as right click disabled pictures. And if you try to print from a browser page, all you get is blank image frames.

http://www.smugmug.com/

But to the best of my knowledge SmugMug is not involved in licensing photos. You either do that yourself or indicate your agency on the SmugMug pages which are very easy to prepare and edit.

Best,
Don McCunn
Starting Baby Steps into Stock Photography

> Hi,
>
> Is anyone here using Flickr? And if so, how are you using it?
>
> What size files are you posting? How do you protect your work from theft there? Have you made any sales or contacts via Flickr?
>
> Any tips?
>
> Is this actually a great new business tool, or just another way to waste time on the computer?
>
> Cheers,
> Deborah

[Fred-43]

I think the question is: will Flickr help your business?

If I were selling my own images instead of selling and marketing other people's images I would be using Flickr as part of a comprehensive marketing strategy designed to get as many eyes as possible on my images.

They offer some pretty good tools, from what I have seen, to help you protect and market your images. What you can't do is simply throw a few images up there and expect the sales to start rolling in.

Fred Voetsch

Owner - Acclaim Images
http://www.acclaimimages.com/

Group Moderator - Selling Stock Photography
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/selling_stock_photography/




--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., "dgishcabibble" <dgishcabibble@...> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Is anyone here using Flickr? And if so, how are you using it?
>
> What size files are you posting? How do you protect your work from theft there? Have you made any sales or contacts via Flickr?
>
> Any tips?
>
> Is this actually a great new business tool, or just another way to waste time on the computer?
>
> Cheers,
> Deborah
>
>
> ...........................
>

[Kathie M. Thomas, Author, Blogger, Speaker]

I find it useful. There are quite a number of groups you can join. And I've
already been approached for a tourism group to use one of my photos. I
haven't been on Flickr very long so I was excited about that.  Hoping more
will happen in the not too distant future.
 

 <http://vadirectory.net/DSC_0015x150.jpg>
<http://vadirectory.net/DSC_0015x150.jpg>

 <http://www.photosbykathie.com/images/nikond90.jpg> Kathie M. Thomas
Australian Photography
 <http://www.kathiesphotos.com/> http://www.kathiesphotos.com
 <http://www.photosbykathie.com/> http://www.photosbykathie.com 
http://www.muchaboutmelbourne.com <http://www.muchaboutmelbourne.com/>  
Camera of choice: Nikon D90

 <http://vadirectory.net/DSC_0015x150.jpg>


  _____  

From: Fred [mailto:freddyv@...]
Sent: Friday, 6 November 2009 6:08 AM
To: STOCKPHOTO@...
Subject: [STOCKPHOTO] Re: Using Flickr


 



I think the question is: will Flickr help your business?

If I were selling my own images instead of selling and marketing other
people's images I would be using Flickr as part of a comprehensive marketing
strategy designed to get as many eyes as possible on my images.

They offer some pretty good tools, from what I have seen, to help you
protect and market your images. What you can't do is simply throw a few
images up there and expect the sales to start rolling in.

Fred Voetsch

Owner - Acclaim Images
http://www.acclaimi <http://www.acclaimimages.com/> mages.com/

Group Moderator - Selling Stock Photography
http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/selling_stock_photography/>
yahoo.com/group/selling_stock_photography/

--- In STOCKPHOTO@yahoogro <mailto:STOCKPHOTO%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com,
"dgishcabibble" <dgishcabibble@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Is anyone here using Flickr? And if so, how are you using it?
>
> What size files are you posting? How do you protect your work from theft
there? Have you made any sales or contacts via Flickr?
>
> Any tips?
>
> Is this actually a great new business tool, or just another way to waste
time on the computer?
>
> Cheers,
> Deborah
>
>
> ...........................
>






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[Tom Craig-3]

Hi Don:
  Actually, www.Smugmug.com does license photos. They have a rather unusual way to do it though, so it doesn't surprise me too much that people don't even know about it.  You can see it, if you choose a photo (but you can't be signed up as a member, or it won't work- so just do a search for an image in the search engine and pretend that you will buy a photo) on the pull down menus in the checkout section at the top, you have "order prints", or "download an image".  Click on the "download" tab and you then you will have the choice of only two RF licenses, one personal use and the other commercial use.
  Hence RF- the easy solution for a complicated IT problem (not to mention your photographer's rights problems), but at least you can set your own prices.  And you know who what and when someone downloaded an image in your stats info.
  Hope I was clear enough...
          Tom craig Directphoto.org
   
--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., "don_mccunn" <Don@...> wrote:

>
> Deborah,
>
> I just started using Flickr as a potential way of becoming a contributor at Getty--fingers crossed.
>
> http://www.gettyimages.com/creative/frontdoor/contributors?isource=usa_nav_images_whatsnew_contributors
>
> The maximum image size at Flickr is 1024 pixels for a large photo so there doesn't seem any point going larger.
>
> I watermark all my images on Flickr with a copyright statement as it appears anyone has access to the image and can print it.
>
> For secure photo display I use SmugMug. You can sell prints directly from that and they have great security features such as right click disabled pictures. And if you try to print from a browser page, all you get is blank image frames.
>
> http://www.smugmug.com/
>
> But to the best of my knowledge SmugMug is not involved in licensing photos. You either do that yourself or indicate your agency on the SmugMug pages which are very easy to prepare and edit.
>
> Best,
> Don McCunn
> Starting Baby Steps into Stock Photography
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is anyone here using Flickr? And if so, how are you using it?
> >
> > What size files are you posting? How do you protect your work from theft there? Have you made any sales or contacts via Flickr?
> >
> > Any tips?
> >
> > Is this actually a great new business tool, or just another way to waste time on the computer?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Deborah
>

[don_mccunn]

Tom,

To be honest I saw that but disabled it for my images. I have promised my models, who I work with an on an ongoing basis, I would not release their images as RF, only RM. As professional models they don't want their image released into the wilds of RF stock photography and cause complications for them for potential assignment shoots.

I respect the talent and trust they have placed in me and this is one way I show it. Besides my thinking is that Getty will have a better sense than I ever will what an image can be sold for. I have been using their pricing formulas for images similar to mine. Quite frankly even at 30% their licensing pricing is far more than I would consider selling my photos for at 100%. But pricing is something I have always had trouble with.

Looked at you on SmugMug and saw the sewing machine behind your shoulder. Do you sew?

Best,
Don McCunn
Author of http://How-to-Make-Sewing-Patterns.com/

> Hi Don:
>   Actually, www.Smugmug.com does license photos. They have a rather unusual way to do it though, so it doesn't surprise me too much that people don't even know about it.  You can see it, if you choose a photo (but you can't be signed up as a member, or it won't work- so just do a search for an image in the search engine and pretend that you will buy a photo) on the pull down menus in the checkout section at the top, you have "order prints", or "download an image".  Click on the "download" tab and you then you will have the choice of only two RF licenses, one personal use and the other commercial use.
>   Hence RF- the easy solution for a complicated IT problem (not to mention your photographer's rights problems), but at least you can set your own prices.  And you know who what and when someone downloaded an image in your stats info.
>   Hope I was clear enough...
>           Tom craig Directphoto.org

[David Riecks]

At 07:49 AM 11/6/2009, tomcraig2003 wrote:
>   Hence RF- the easy solution for a complicated IT problem (not to
> mention your photographer's rights problems), but at least you can
> set your own prices.  And you know who what and when someone
> downloaded an image in your stats info.

Tom:

Yes, however, one caution is that once an image is licensed as RF,
you will never be able to offer it as Rights Managed.  If the subject
is such that RF is an appropriate model that might be an option.
However, I would encourage those that are seriously considering self
marketing to consider solutions such as PhotoShelter.com or
LicenseStream.com rather than Smugmug for that reason alone.

David

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[dylanphotolight]

Thanks for the INFO on licenseStream I will look into them yours
Dylan Garcia
www.dylan-garcia.co.uk

--- On Fri, 6/11/09, David Riecks <david@...> wrote:

From: David Riecks <david@...>
Subject: Re: [STOCKPHOTO] Re: Using Flickr/ Smugmug
To: STOCKPHOTO@...
Date: Friday, 6 November, 2009, 22:05















 
 



 


   
     
     
      At 07:49 AM 11/6/2009, tomcraig2003 wrote:

>   Hence RF- the easy solution for a complicated IT problem (not to

> mention your photographer' s rights problems), but at least you can

> set your own prices.  And you know who what and when someone

> downloaded an image in your stats info.



Tom:



Yes, however, one caution is that once an image is licensed as RF,

you will never be able to offer it as Rights Managed.  If the subject

is such that RF is an appropriate model that might be an option.

However, I would encourage those that are seriously considering self

marketing to consider solutions such as PhotoShelter. com or

LicenseStream. com rather than Smugmug for that reason alone.



David



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Need Keywords for your database? Get the Controlled Vocabulary Solution

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[David Sanger-3]

It isn't often done at all but you certainly can change from licensing an
image as RF, priced by filesize, to licensing as RM, priced by usage. It
does mean, however, that you will not be able to offer exclusive uses, which
now is a very rare circumstance, and you won't have a thorough usage
history. I've had a few images be changed in this manner, for other reasons,
even after being licensed. Nonetheless isn't a good idea or common practice
and could preclude submission to agencies.

As for Smugmug it is certainly not a place buyers often, go so any sales,
even as personal/commercial RF, setting your own prices, are likely to be
minimal.

Better in my opinion for OP to explore a Photoshelter account
http://www.photoshelter.com

Photoshelter has a much much richer feature set oriented to professional
photographers.


d
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On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM, David Riecks <david@...> wrote:

>
>
> At 07:49 AM 11/6/2009, tomcraig2003 wrote:
> > Hence RF- the easy solution for a complicated IT problem (not to
> > mention your photographer's rights problems), but at least you can
> > set your own prices. And you know who what and when someone
> > downloaded an image in your stats info.
>
> Tom:
>
> Yes, however, one caution is that once an image is licensed as RF,
> you will never be able to offer it as Rights Managed. If the subject
> is such that RF is an appropriate model that might be an option.
> However, I would encourage those that are seriously considering self
> marketing to consider solutions such as PhotoShelter.com or
> LicenseStream.com rather than Smugmug for that reason alone.
>
> David
>
> --
> David Riecks (that's "i" before "e", but the "e" is silent)
> Need Keywords for your database? Get the Controlled Vocabulary Solution
> http://controlledvocabulary.com/products/ support for a dozen of the
> most popular imaging applications from Adobe Bridge to Photo Mechanic.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>

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[angiephotographer]

In the terms of service, FLickr specifies that it is for personal sharing only, and not to be used for business.  So I find this confusing.  Professional photographers are obviously posting to further their business.  Getty is soliciting business when they scout an image and want to license it.  

I have contemplated using flickr, but it seems the upload time would be better sent contributing photos to an actual stock site.  Flickr seems to be a place where photographers post to get comments/compliments from other photographers.  How this helps business, I don't understand. Thoughts??



--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., "Kathie M. Thomas, Author, Blogger, Speaker" <kathie@...> wrote:

>
> I find it useful. There are quite a number of groups you can join. And I've
> already been approached for a tourism group to use one of my photos. I
> haven't been on Flickr very long so I was excited about that.  Hoping more
> will happen in the not too distant future.
>  
>
>  <http://vadirectory.net/DSC_0015x150.jpg>
> <http://vadirectory.net/DSC_0015x150.jpg>
>
>  <http://www.photosbykathie.com/images/nikond90.jpg> Kathie M. Thomas
> Australian Photography
>  <http://www.kathiesphotos.com/> http://www.kathiesphotos.com
>  <http://www.photosbykathie.com/> http://www.photosbykathie.com 
> http://www.muchaboutmelbourne.com <http://www.muchaboutmelbourne.com/>  
> Camera of choice: Nikon D90
>
>  <http://vadirectory.net/DSC_0015x150.jpg>
>
>
>   _____  
>
> From: Fred [mailto:freddyv@...]
> Sent: Friday, 6 November 2009 6:08 AM
> To: STOCKPHOTO@...
> Subject: [STOCKPHOTO] Re: Using Flickr
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> I think the question is: will Flickr help your business?
>
> If I were selling my own images instead of selling and marketing other
> people's images I would be using Flickr as part of a comprehensive marketing
> strategy designed to get as many eyes as possible on my images.
>
> They offer some pretty good tools, from what I have seen, to help you
> protect and market your images. What you can't do is simply throw a few
> images up there and expect the sales to start rolling in.
>
> Fred Voetsch
>
> Owner - Acclaim Images
> http://www.acclaimi <http://www.acclaimimages.com/> mages.com/
>
> Group Moderator - Selling Stock Photography
> http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/selling_stock_photography/>
> yahoo.com/group/selling_stock_photography/
>
> --- In STOCKPHOTO@yahoogro <mailto:STOCKPHOTO%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com,
> "dgishcabibble" <dgishcabibble@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is anyone here using Flickr? And if so, how are you using it?
> >
> > What size files are you posting? How do you protect your work from theft
> there? Have you made any sales or contacts via Flickr?
> >
> > Any tips?
> >
> > Is this actually a great new business tool, or just another way to waste
> time on the computer?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Deborah
> >
> >
> > ...........................
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Bob Croxford]

On 11 Nov 2009, at 15:58, angiephotographer wrote:

> I don't understand. Thoughts??

I saw this on a web designers forum discussing copyright.....

"Most of the time I get pics from flickr, cuz most people don't give  
a shit if I use their pic or not (most of them being stay at home  
moms, students, whatever)

Even if they care, they're too lazy to sue. Ha!  "

Flickr is dangerous. It teaches people to steal through its CC licence.

Bob Croxford

www.atmosphere.co.uk

[idmurray]

Angie,

Anyone with a Flickr account is now able to make an application to submit their images to Getty ( should they want to). No longer do people have to wait to be discovered. Those interested have to choose ten images and send an email to Getty to have their application reviewed. I understand that the majority of images selected are placed as RF by Getty - certainly anything that has had a Creative Commons licence has to be RF. But further than that I gather that Getty are very strongly favouring RF.

Ian Murray

<angieknostphoto@...> wrote:

> I have contemplated using flickr, but it seems the upload time would be better sent contributing photos to an actual stock site.  Flickr seems to be a place where photographers post to get comments/compliments from other photographers.  How this helps business, I don't understand. Thoughts??

[Tina Manley-3]

ian wrote:

>  
>
> Angie,
>
> Anyone with a Flickr account is now able to make an application to
> submit their images to Getty ( should they want to). No longer do
> people have to wait to be discovered. Those interested have to choose
> ten images and send an email to Getty to have their application
> reviewed. I understand that the majority of images selected are placed
> as RF by Getty - certainly anything that has had a Creative Commons
> licence has to be RF. But further than that I gather that Getty are
> very strongly favouring RF.
>
> Ian Murray
>
>

In spite of the fact that I have refused to sign Getty's contract when I
was sucked up by their acquisition of Workbookstock, I put some photos
up on a Flickr site just to see what would happen.  Getty selected 11
and put them all in RM.  I'm leaving them there to see if this is a
reasonable path to follow.  I don't have any idea how they decide to put
something in RM or RF, but if mine had been classed as RF, I would have
withdrawn them.

Tina
www.tinamanley.com

[Allen Russell-2]

Tina

What I have seen of your work is editorial (and very good). Were the  
photos you offered Getty editorial and unreleased? If so, this could  
be why they went RM.

Allen Russell
allen@...
allenrussellphoto.com





On Nov 11, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Tina Manley wrote:

> ian wrote:
> >
> >
> > Angie,
> >
> > Anyone with a Flickr account is now able to make an application to
> > submit their images to Getty ( should they want to). No longer do
> > people have to wait to be discovered. Those interested have to  
> choose
> > ten images and send an email to Getty to have their application
> > reviewed. I understand that the majority of images selected are  
> placed
> > as RF by Getty - certainly anything that has had a Creative Commons
> > licence has to be RF. But further than that I gather that Getty are
> > very strongly favouring RF.
> >
> > Ian Murray
> >
> >
>
> In spite of the fact that I have refused to sign Getty's contract  
> when I
> was sucked up by their acquisition of Workbookstock, I put some photos
> up on a Flickr site just to see what would happen. Getty selected 11
> and put them all in RM. I'm leaving them there to see if this is a
> reasonable path to follow. I don't have any idea how they decide to  
> put
> something in RM or RF, but if mine had been classed as RF, I would  
> have
> withdrawn them.
>
> Tina
> www.tinamanley.com
>
>

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[Tina Manley-3]

Allen Russell wrote:
> Tina
>
> What I have seen of your work is editorial (and very good). Were the  
> photos you offered Getty editorial and unreleased? If so, this could  
> be why they went RM.
>
> Allen Russell
>  
Thanks, Allen.  No, I decided to try something maybe a little more
commercial for Getty - photos of animals on safari in Africa. I don't
think their market for editorial is that great, but I could be wrong!

Tina

[jtf22001]

> > From: Fred [mailto:freddyv@]
> > If I were selling my own images instead of selling and marketing other
> > people's images I would be using Flickr as part of a comprehensive marketing
> > strategy designed to get as many eyes as possible on my images.
>

Are talking about selling prints or licensing stock images Fred?  If the former, maybe - if the latter, I have a question.  Do you know even one independent picture researcher who even looks at Flicker, etc for images.  (I'm not talking about thieving designers, bottom-feeding editors, etc).

John Fowler

[angiephotographer]

You might already know this, but you can apply to Getty directly from the Getty site.  There's a little test you take, and then you are invited to submit a selection of images for review.  That might be easier that putting all your stuff on flickr.




--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., "ian" <idmurray@...> wrote:

>
> Angie,
>
> Anyone with a Flickr account is now able to make an application to submit their images to Getty ( should they want to). No longer do people have to wait to be discovered. Those interested have to choose ten images and send an email to Getty to have their application reviewed. I understand that the majority of images selected are placed as RF by Getty - certainly anything that has had a Creative Commons licence has to be RF. But further than that I gather that Getty are very strongly favouring RF.
>
> Ian Murray
>
> <angieknostphoto@> wrote:
>
> > I have contemplated using flickr, but it seems the upload time would be better sent contributing photos to an actual stock site.  Flickr seems to be a place where photographers post to get comments/compliments from other photographers.  How this helps business, I don't understand. Thoughts??
>

[Tina Manley-3]

At 09:17 AM 11/12/2009, you wrote:
>Are talking about selling prints or licensing stock images Fred? If
>the former, maybe - if the latter, I have a question. Do you know
>even one independent picture researcher who even looks at Flicker,
>etc for images. (I'm not talking about thieving designers,
>bottom-feeding editors, etc).
>
>John Fowler

Maybe not, but Getty looks at Flickr and picks photos from
there.  Independent photo researchers look at Getty.

Tina

Tina Manley
www.tinamanley.com

[Allen Russell-2]

Tina

When I hear that serious photographers such as yourself are using  
Flickr it certainly gets my attention. However, I am having trouble  
getting past the fact that I can go to your or others photos and drag  
off a 240 wide thumb with no watermark or metadata. I hear additional  
stories of higher rez also being taken off Flickr and used. Its  
difficult to determine if the obvious risks are worth the possible  
exposure.

Allen Russell
allen@...
allenrussellphoto.com






On Nov 11, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Tina Manley wrote:

> ian wrote:
> >
> >
> > Angie,
> >
> > Anyone with a Flickr account is now able to make an application to
> > submit their images to Getty ( should they want to). No longer do
> > people have to wait to be discovered. Those interested have to  
> choose
> > ten images and send an email to Getty to have their application
> > reviewed. I understand that the majority of images selected are  
> placed
> > as RF by Getty - certainly anything that has had a Creative Commons
> > licence has to be RF. But further than that I gather that Getty are
> > very strongly favouring RF.
> >
> > Ian Murray
> >
> >
>
> In spite of the fact that I have refused to sign Getty's contract  
> when I
> was sucked up by their acquisition of Workbookstock, I put some photos
> up on a Flickr site just to see what would happen. Getty selected 11
> and put them all in RM. I'm leaving them there to see if this is a
> reasonable path to follow. I don't have any idea how they decide to  
> put
> something in RM or RF, but if mine had been classed as RF, I would  
> have
> withdrawn them.
>
> Tina
> www.tinamanley.com
>
>

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