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RE: Using numbered list element for navigation bars

by Jason Megginson :: Rate this Message:

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Hello Richard,

 

Using HTML list structure with CSS can be very useful for navigation bars, simulated menus and tree views. It can be very helpful to indicate the level of information such as sub-menus or sub-navigation items that are normally identified visually by space or positioning of text.

 

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Jason Megginson

 


From: w3c-wai-ig-request@... [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@...] On Behalf Of Richard Warren
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:41 AM
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Subject: Using numbered list element for navigation bars

 

We came across a website that used the numbered list element <ol> for its navigation bars (numbers hidden by CSS). It was really useful for our blind colleague who was able to identify how many links in the bar, whereabouts he was within the bar and, more easily remember where the useful links were. There was no difference to visual users

 

I can't see any disadvantages to using the numbered list element for navigation bars and wonder if it should be a recommendation to improve accessibility for blind users - i.e. does it really help all users of screen readers or will some people find it annoying?

 

Richard Warren

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Using numbered list element for navigation bars

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We came across a website that used the numbered list element <ol> for its navigation bars (numbers hidden by CSS). It was really useful for our blind colleague who was able to identify how many links in the bar, whereabouts he was within the bar and, more easily remember where the useful links were. There was no difference to visual users
 
I can't see any disadvantages to using the numbered list element for navigation bars and wonder if it should be a recommendation to improve accessibility for blind users - i.e. does it really help all users of screen readers or will some people find it annoying?
 
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Re: Using numbered list element for navigation bars

by Patrick H. Lauke :: Rate this Message:

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Richard Warren wrote:

> We came across a website that used the numbered list element <ol> for
> its navigation bars (numbers hidden by CSS). It was really useful for
> our blind colleague who was able to identify how many links in the bar,
> whereabouts he was within the bar and, more easily remember where the
> useful links were. There was no difference to visual users
>  
> I can't see any disadvantages to using the numbered list element for
> navigation bars and wonder if it should be a recommendation to improve
> accessibility for blind users - i.e. does it really help all users of
> screen readers or will some people find it annoying?

Using lists for navigation bars is a tried and tested technique that's
been used for many years and is recommended best practice across most,
if not all, sites that use web standards / css layouts. The may be a
tiny argument about whether you want an ordered list (which implies an
order/hierarchy) or unordered list (which, in a screenreader, may not
announce what list item you're on, just the total number of items at the
start).

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RE: Using numbered list element for navigation bars

by Régine Lambrecht :: Rate this Message:

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I thought Jaws automatically announced something like ‘fifth item of 8’ even with unordered lists. Does your friend use Jaws ?

Anyway, if other assistive technologies really need ordered list to perform such a useful calculation, then why not !

 

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From: w3c-wai-ig-request@... [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@...] On Behalf Of Richard Warren
Sent: mardi 20 octobre 2009 16:41
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Subject: Using numbered list element for navigation bars

 

We came across a website that used the numbered list element <ol> for its navigation bars (numbers hidden by CSS). It was really useful for our blind colleague who was able to identify how many links in the bar, whereabouts he was within the bar and, more easily remember where the useful links were. There was no difference to visual users

 

I can't see any disadvantages to using the numbered list element for navigation bars and wonder if it should be a recommendation to improve accessibility for blind users - i.e. does it really help all users of screen readers or will some people find it annoying?

 

Richard Warren

Userite

 



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RE: Using numbered list element for navigation bars

by Chris Reeve :: Rate this Message:

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Are you trying to suggest that an unordered list with bullets is or is not not okay for screen readers?

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From: Régine Lambrecht <Regine.Lambrecht@...>
Subject: RE: Using numbered list element for navigation bars
To: "Richard Warren" <richard@...>, "w3c-wai-ig@..." <w3c-wai-ig@...>
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 2:48 PM

I thought Jaws automatically announced something like ‘fifth item of 8’ even with unordered lists. Does your friend use Jaws ?

Anyway, if other assistive technologies really need ordered list to perform such a useful calculation, then why not !

 

Régine Lambrecht

E-fficiency Coordinator

Prevention Advisor

________________________________________________

Tel. +32.2.235.56.62

 

www.tipik.eu

Tipik Communication Agency S.A.

Avenue de Tervueren 270 B-1150 Bruxelles

Tel. +32.2.235.56.70 Fax +32.2.235.56.99

Tipik is a Sword Group Company

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From: w3c-wai-ig-request@... [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@...] On Behalf Of Richard Warren
Sent: mardi 20 octobre 2009 16:41
To: w3c-wai-ig@...
Subject: Using numbered list element for navigation bars

 

We came across a website that used the numbered list element <ol> for its navigation bars (numbers hidden by CSS). It was really useful for our blind colleague who was able to identify how many links in the bar, whereabouts he was within the bar and, more easily remember where the useful links were. There was no difference to visual users

 

I can't see any disadvantages to using the numbered list element for navigation bars and wonder if it should be a recommendation to improve accessibility for blind users - i.e. does it really help all users of screen readers or will some people find it annoying?

 

Richard Warren

Userite

 



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