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Re: OT!!!! : Verizon VX8360 File Access Blocked
I bought the Verizon micro cell for my house since my house is a faraday
cage (steel roof, stucco walls with chicken wire). It was $200 after the
rebate and is working quite well. It supports up to three simultaneous
calls and one reserved for 911. It has a GPS antenna with a long cord
since it requires location information. You can set it up to allow anyone
to use it or to only allow your phone (other phones can use it if they
can't connect to any other cell).
I have full coverage in my house now and furthermore I can take it with
me. It will be nice since I travel up to a place in Lake Tahoe with no
coverage but with this I'm covered.
-Aaron
On Mon, 11 May 2009, Jim Harrison wrote:
> Different subject, but this coverage thing is bothering me. I love VZ
> coverage, but I ordered new phones a few weeks ago and I get nothing at
> home --- so I canceled the account. I hated like hell to do it, but what
> choices do i have? Anyone here ever set up an antenna and mini-cell
> network in the house? Otherwise, I guess I'll switch to AT&T.
>
> On 5/11/2009 7:44 PM, Jim Turtora wrote:
>
> I absolutely love this. Finally a long discussion and flame on
> this subject.
>
> I have verizon and will keep the F*ck&rs, because they have the
> best and most reliable network with the best email and messaging in
> the areas where I need it.
>
>
> !DSPAM:4a08ce25182024517016889!
>
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SMS on motorola phones
Not sure about all the other posts regarding phones and verizon but
specifically regarding motorola phones in general and bitpim there is an SMS
issue.
I'm not a developer of bitpim, but I am a developer, but I did some research
on this because I own a K1m motorola that had this problem. I was getting
the exact response/log that Logan was getting and figured out with trial
and error that is pertains to the MMS (ie. messages that have attachments -
pictures, video, sound). Getting rid of MMS messages allowed bitpim to
download the other messages. For me this sucked because I wanted to keep
the attachments of some of those messages so I started doing research...the
coder in me took over.
What I found was that when there was an MMS on your phone the process that
bitpim uses to get the messages no longer works the way the bitpim
developers coded for. It has to do with the fact that bitpim is using modem
AT comands to retrieve the data. I know this is more than most of you
care/want to know, but I'm telling you this so you know it is NOT because
Verizon decided to "lock down your phones". Verizon has faults, don't even
get me started on the whole GPS/VZ Navigator crap they pull, but this
particular problem has nothing to do with them.
I remove myself from the soap box...next person is up. :)
Stephan
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Re: SMS on motorola phones
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which brings up the question... ughh... maybe I
shouldn't bring it up. I'm a developer, too. I should know
better...
but how about some exception checking? Ok,
so, if MMS are a problem, how about skipping rather than going belly up?
Or popping out some message when the routine gets something unexpected.
There is a good reason to code this way... it's a lot easier to fix things
if you write code so the trail can be followed.
So, can you point to the code for me?
What you are saying is significant, because it
means there's no point in attempting a fix with a seem edit.
Many months ago I brought up a question about the
code. I expected someone to at least say something about it and perhaps
ask me to bring it into the developer forum. I'm not a bitpim developer,
so until one of the developers asks me to post it there, it seems to me it
belongs here. No one has ever made a single comment, so I'm posting it
again in here for your benefit. Since you seem to be informally looking at
the code much the way I am, check out this interesting little snippet, for which
I can get NO response from anyone....
================================================================================
class
SMSEntry(object):
...
_id_index=0
_max_id_index=999
...
def
_create_id(self):
"Create a BitPim
serial for this entry"
self._data.setdefault("serials",
[]).append(\
{"sourcetype":
"bitpim",
"id": '%.3f%03d'%(time.time(), SMSEntry._id_index)
})
if
SMSEntry._id_index<SMSEntry._max_id_index:
SMSEntry._id_index+=1
else:
SMSEntry._id_index=0
...
================================================================================
tell me dudes and dudettes... how do you like
that there "else" statement??? Ain't she sweet? So, what do
you think happens if you have a *lot* of SMS messages on your
phone?
Why 999? I'd like to have one of the
developers give me a version with 9999 to test. Believe me, once the phone
has more than a thousand text messages, it's marvelously wonderfully slow.
Plenty of time to sip coffee between menu items and button presses, but
still... this code decides after an index is above a certain number,
let's just reset it.
How about at least crashing nicely with a nice
message, instead?
take care,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:20 AM
Subject: [BitPim-user] SMS on motorola phones
Not sure about all the other posts regarding phones and
verizon but specifically regarding motorola phones in general and bitpim
there is an SMS issue. I'm not a developer of bitpim, but I am a
developer, but I did some research on this because I own a K1m motorola that
had this problem. I was getting the exact response/log that
Logan was getting and figured out with trial and error that is pertains to
the MMS (ie. messages that have attachments - pictures, video, sound).
Getting rid of MMS messages allowed bitpim to download the other
messages. For me this sucked because I wanted to keep the attachments
of some of those messages so I started doing research...the coder in me took
over. What I found was that when there was an MMS on your phone the
process that bitpim uses to get the messages no longer works the way the
bitpim developers coded for. It has to do with the fact that bitpim is
using modem AT comands to retrieve the data. I know this is more than
most of you care/want to know, but I'm telling you this so you know it is
NOT because Verizon decided to "lock down your phones". Verizon has
faults, don't even get me started on the whole GPS/VZ Navigator crap they
pull, but this particular problem has nothing to do with them. I
remove myself from the soap box...next person is up. :) Stephan
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Re: SMS on motorola phones
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Jim, sorry I can't really "point" you to any
code...my research pointed me directly toward the phone via the protocol log
file. I noticed the AT command set that was there and started doing a
little telnet hacking toward my phone. Bitpim uses the AT command set to
commicate with phone, thats why you see the "modem mode" v. "brew mode" in
the log files, so I figured I would duplicate what bitpim was sending my phone
to see if I could figure it out. What I figured out was that bitpim is
using the "text mode" of the AT command set no the "pdu mode". Think
ASCII vs. HEX. The fact that bitpim is trying to retrieve messages
that might contain MULTIMEDIA(binary!?!?!) info makes the AT command give back
nonuniform responses and that in turn makes bitpim "puke".
The long story short...unless bitpim changes its
interaction with motorola phones by doing binary retrieves it will never work
nicely.
Hope that helps...I could send you a PDF file of
the AT command set if you like. Just in case you wanted to "play" a little
with telnet.
Later.
Stephan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:58
AM
Subject: Re: [BitPim-user] SMS on
motorola phones
which brings up the question... ughh... maybe I
shouldn't bring it up. I'm a developer, too. I should know
better...
but how about some exception checking? Ok,
so, if MMS are a problem, how about skipping rather than going belly up?
Or popping out some message when the routine gets something unexpected.
There is a good reason to code this way... it's a lot easier to fix
things if you write code so the trail can be followed.
So, can you point to the code for
me?
What you are saying is significant, because it
means there's no point in attempting a fix with a seem edit.
Many months ago I brought up a question about the
code. I expected someone to at least say something about it and perhaps
ask me to bring it into the developer forum. I'm not a bitpim developer,
so until one of the developers asks me to post it there, it seems to me it
belongs here. No one has ever made a single comment, so I'm posting it
again in here for your benefit. Since you seem to be informally looking
at the code much the way I am, check out this interesting little snippet, for
which I can get NO response from anyone....
================================================================================
class
SMSEntry(object):
...
_id_index=0
_max_id_index=999
...
def
_create_id(self):
"Create a
BitPim serial for this entry"
self._data.setdefault("serials",
[]).append(\
{"sourcetype":
"bitpim",
"id": '%.3f%03d'%(time.time(), SMSEntry._id_index)
})
if
SMSEntry._id_index<SMSEntry._max_id_index:
SMSEntry._id_index+=1
else:
SMSEntry._id_index=0
...
================================================================================
tell me dudes and dudettes... how do you
like that there "else" statement??? Ain't she sweet? So,
what do you think happens if you have a *lot* of SMS messages on your
phone?
Why 999? I'd like to have one of the
developers give me a version with 9999 to test. Believe me, once the
phone has more than a thousand text messages, it's marvelously wonderfully
slow. Plenty of time to sip coffee between menu items and button
presses, but still... this code decides after an index is above a
certain number, let's just reset it.
How about at least crashing nicely with a nice
message, instead?
take care,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:20 AM
Subject: [BitPim-user] SMS on motorola phones
Not sure about all the other posts regarding phones
and verizon but
specifically regarding motorola phones in general and
bitpim there is an SMS
issue.
I'm not a developer of bitpim, but I
am a developer, but I did some research
on this because I own a K1m
motorola that had this problem. I was getting
the exact
response/log that Logan was getting and figured out with trial
and
error that is pertains to the MMS (ie. messages that have attachments -
pictures, video, sound). Getting rid of MMS messages allowed bitpim
to
download the other messages. For me this sucked because I wanted
to keep
the attachments of some of those messages so I started doing
research...the
coder in me took over.
What I found was that when
there was an MMS on your phone the process that
bitpim uses to get the
messages no longer works the way the bitpim
developers coded for. It
has to do with the fact that bitpim is using modem
AT comands to retrieve
the data. I know this is more than most of you
care/want to know,
but I'm telling you this so you know it is NOT because
Verizon decided to
"lock down your phones". Verizon has faults, don't even
get me
started on the whole GPS/VZ Navigator crap they pull, but this
particular
problem has nothing to do with them.
I remove myself from the soap
box...next person is up. :)
Stephan
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Re: SMS on motorola phones
Now I feel like we're getting somewhere. Jim, does that 999 cap mean that -phones with more than 999 sms messages will fail to transfer -the first 999 messages will be transferred -the first 999 will be trasferred then overwritten with subsequent messages
-something else? also is the 999 -total sms messages on the phone -total in inbox OR outbox OR drafts Stephan, that's pretty sweet you hacked around in telnet. did you save that work? could it be useful to other listers?
Logan On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:54 AM, <phxcaps@...> wrote:
Jim, sorry I can't really "point" you to any
code...my research pointed me directly toward the phone via the protocol log
file. I noticed the AT command set that was there and started doing a
little telnet hacking toward my phone. Bitpim uses the AT command set to
commicate with phone, thats why you see the "modem mode" v. "brew mode" in
the log files, so I figured I would duplicate what bitpim was sending my phone
to see if I could figure it out. What I figured out was that bitpim is
using the "text mode" of the AT command set no the "pdu mode". Think
ASCII vs. HEX. The fact that bitpim is trying to retrieve messages
that might contain MULTIMEDIA(binary!?!?!) info makes the AT command give back
nonuniform responses and that in turn makes bitpim "puke".
The long story short...unless bitpim changes its
interaction with motorola phones by doing binary retrieves it will never work
nicely.
Hope that helps...I could send you a PDF file of
the AT command set if you like. Just in case you wanted to "play" a little
with telnet.
Later.
Stephan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:58
AM
Subject: Re: [BitPim-user] SMS on
motorola phones
which brings up the question... ughh... maybe I
shouldn't bring it up. I'm a developer, too. I should know
better...
but how about some exception checking? Ok,
so, if MMS are a problem, how about skipping rather than going belly up?
Or popping out some message when the routine gets something unexpected.
There is a good reason to code this way... it's a lot easier to fix
things if you write code so the trail can be followed.
So, can you point to the code for
me?
What you are saying is significant, because it
means there's no point in attempting a fix with a seem edit.
Many months ago I brought up a question about the
code. I expected someone to at least say something about it and perhaps
ask me to bring it into the developer forum. I'm not a bitpim developer,
so until one of the developers asks me to post it there, it seems to me it
belongs here. No one has ever made a single comment, so I'm posting it
again in here for your benefit. Since you seem to be informally looking
at the code much the way I am, check out this interesting little snippet, for
which I can get NO response from anyone....
================================================================================
class
SMSEntry(object):
...
_id_index=0
_max_id_index=999
...
def
_create_id(self):
"Create a
BitPim serial for this entry"
self._data.setdefault("serials",
[]).append(\
{"sourcetype":
"bitpim",
"id": '%.3f%03d'%(time.time(), SMSEntry._id_index)
})
if
SMSEntry._id_index<SMSEntry._max_id_index:
SMSEntry._id_index+=1
else:
SMSEntry._id_index=0
...
================================================================================
tell me dudes and dudettes... how do you
like that there "else" statement??? Ain't she sweet? So,
what do you think happens if you have a *lot* of SMS messages on your
phone?
Why 999? I'd like to have one of the
developers give me a version with 9999 to test. Believe me, once the
phone has more than a thousand text messages, it's marvelously wonderfully
slow. Plenty of time to sip coffee between menu items and button
presses, but still... this code decides after an index is above a
certain number, let's just reset it.
How about at least crashing nicely with a nice
message, instead?
take care,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:20 AM
Subject: [BitPim-user] SMS on motorola phones
Not sure about all the other posts regarding phones
and verizon but specifically regarding motorola phones in general and
bitpim there is an SMS issue. I'm not a developer of bitpim, but I
am a developer, but I did some research on this because I own a K1m
motorola that had this problem. I was getting the exact
response/log that Logan was getting and figured out with trial and
error that is pertains to the MMS (ie. messages that have attachments -
pictures, video, sound). Getting rid of MMS messages allowed bitpim
to download the other messages. For me this sucked because I wanted
to keep the attachments of some of those messages so I started doing
research...the coder in me took over. What I found was that when
there was an MMS on your phone the process that bitpim uses to get the
messages no longer works the way the bitpim developers coded for. It
has to do with the fact that bitpim is using modem AT comands to retrieve
the data. I know this is more than most of you care/want to know,
but I'm telling you this so you know it is NOT because Verizon decided to
"lock down your phones". Verizon has faults, don't even get me
started on the whole GPS/VZ Navigator crap they pull, but this particular
problem has nothing to do with them. I remove myself from the soap
box...next person is up. :) Stephan
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Re: SMS on motorola phones
Stephan - THANKS for that info. I've long-suspected that these post accusing Verizon of 'locking-down phones' was MIS-GUIDED, but I could not 'prove it'. (So, I've been hesitant to continue
to question those that seem 'certain' that it is 'well-documented' that Verizon is doing that. But, users get frustrated when one Bitpim user of a certain phone is successful, and they are NOT, so they immediately grasp at such supposed
explanation, and just give up.) I'll also add that there is a learning-curve for Bitpim (just like there is for many sophisticated APPS). And, with some users having USB-cables, and others trying Bluetooth-links and so MANY various cellphone models
(and potential variations in the 'transfer-services' that might be in the various models of cellphone, etc), that each user of Bitpim is in a relatively different experience environment. One other thing that I THINK I figured out one day was that
(for only certain phones?), when you create the COM-port that is needed, I think I saw cases where, if say the COM-port was COM4, the phone didn't like that, but if it was, say, COM5, the it DID like it, when using a Bluetooth-link.
[Don't take this as a FACT, since I didn't try to repeat the experiment, so I'm just guessing, from relatively limited total experience with Bitpim, using a Bluetooth-adapter.) Again, thanks for the counter-claim...it seems right to me!
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On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:20 AM, <phxcaps@...> wrote:
Not sure about all the other posts regarding phones and verizon but
specifically regarding motorola phones in general and bitpim there is an SMS
issue.
I'm not a developer of bitpim, but I am a developer, but I did some research
on this because I own a K1m motorola that had this problem. I was getting
the exact response/log that Logan was getting and figured out with trial
and error that is pertains to the MMS (ie. messages that have attachments -
pictures, video, sound). Getting rid of MMS messages allowed bitpim to
download the other messages. For me this sucked because I wanted to keep
the attachments of some of those messages so I started doing research...the
coder in me took over.
What I found was that when there was an MMS on your phone the process that
bitpim uses to get the messages no longer works the way the bitpim
developers coded for. It has to do with the fact that bitpim is using modem
AT comands to retrieve the data. I know this is more than most of you
care/want to know, but I'm telling you this so you know it is NOT because
Verizon decided to "lock down your phones". Verizon has faults, don't even
get me started on the whole GPS/VZ Navigator crap they pull, but this
particular problem has nothing to do with them.
I remove myself from the soap box...next person is up. :)
Stephan
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Re: OT!!!! : Verizon VX8360 File Access Blocked
Jim - I'll politely point out that since your 'subject change' has NOTHING to do with Bitpim, you re-ask that question in a generic forum for cellphone-related stuff, rather than it an 'email-list' for the
Bitpim product. [Many of us on this list ALSO read generic forums, and we'll be happy to try to answer your issue there.] Dave http://mysite.verizon.net/david.hubert.cook/gwt-google-maps/
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On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Jim Harrison <jimh_listserv@...> wrote:
Different subject, but this coverage thing is bothering me. I love VZ
coverage, but I ordered new phones a few weeks ago and I get nothing at
home --- so I canceled the account. I hated like hell to do it, but
what choices do i have? Anyone here ever set up an antenna and
mini-cell network in the house? Otherwise, I guess I'll switch to
AT&T.
On 5/11/2009 7:44 PM, Jim Turtora wrote:
I absolutely love this. Finally a
long discussion and flame on this subject.
I have verizon and will keep the
F*ck&rs, because they have the best and most reliable network with
the best email and messaging in the areas where I need it.
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Re: Verizon VX8360 File Access Blocked
Jim - I doubt you're gonna get any help from developers if you say (stupid) stuff like: '...see how worthless they were for problem x'. [Ever heard the wisdom 'you get more bees with honey than with vinegar'?]
As for SMS backup, again you just 'bitch' about no one responding. I'd say that people WILL respond to any/all issues, but only if they KNOW something relevant to what you are asking. Lastly, bear in mind that by FAR, most of readers of this list are just Bitpim
users (like you) rather than developers. And, as you mentioned, they have no obligation to answer or try to fix any of the issues brought up here. So, chill a bit and be friendlier. The bambi principle (If you don't have something
nice to say, don't say anything at all) is very applicable to support-lists like this one. My 2-cents...
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Jim Turtora <jturtora@...> wrote:
I absolutely love this. Finally a long
discussion and flame on this subject.
I have verizon and will keep the F*ck&rs,
because they have the best and most reliable network with the best email and
messaging in the areas where I need it.
For all other things, I hate them.
I have a Verizon Motorola Razr V3M, a phone which
has enough power to have landed Armstrong safely on the moon and returned him to
earth.
However, the phone can't even let me see what time
it is while I'm on a call. There's no way on this marvel of hardware and
software engineering to tell the day and time while on a call.
As for Bitpim, it's useless for this phone.
All I want to do is copy my SMS and photos.
Bitpim DOES NOT WORK with the verizon v3m and I
have no idea how to make it work.
As for the developers of bitpim, you will see just
how quiet and useless they are on this problem. I've been trying to solve
this for a year. I even asked about a very suspicious line of code I found
and got NO RESPONSE AT ALL.
As for the responsibility of the developers to FIX
this problem?
THEY HAVE ZERO RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX
THIS.
BITPIM IS FREE.
THIS FORUM IS FREE.
WE CAN BITCH ALL WE WANT, BUT THAT IS POINTLESS,
BECAUSE THIS IS FREE.
THE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT PAID AND HAVE ZERO
OBLIGATION TO THIS OR ANY OF US.
This is, however, supposed to be a user
community.
I have asked time and again for people with Verizon
v3m service if they get SMS backup. No one responds.
As for the guy who responded earlier about the
photos and SMS on a v3m, I don't believe him.
Let's see what he has to say to that.
take care dudes...
Jim
hahaha
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [BitPim-user] Verizon VX8360 File Access
Blocked
bitpim does work with at least some verizon phones, I
know that my old lg vx8300 worked amazingly well with bitpim, but the big part
is making sure you have a phone that is on the compatibility list
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [BitPim-user] Verizon VX8360 File Access
Blocked
Don,
This is my first Verizon phone, and my first post with BitPim. Thanks for
letting me know you have no solution.
By the way, you only have to hit me with a brick once, but to close the
issue, does anyone else second this opinion?
Tocworld
NO.....There is no solution to this useless program...how long will
you people continue trying..give it up.....Bitpim does not work with any verizon
phone...and thats the way verizon wants it.
solution - buy another phone and get another service.....
how often do you have to get hit with a brick before you see its gonna
hurt
On May 11, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Leonard Tocci wrote:
I have been able to connect BitPim to the VX8360 phone
using the VX8350 phone on the BitPim phone wizared list and manually
setting the com port. The problem is that the phone provider has blocked the
file access so I can not read or write to the directory. I have noted in the
SourceForce archives that a user claimed that BitPim (older version) was able to
access a different phone for which it was claimed that the files had been
blocked by the provider.
I have also searched the internet for help to no
avail. The Verizon supplied BackupAssistant is primitive, and I would like
to use BitPim as I have for my previous phone. Is there any chance that there is
a solution?
Tocworld
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Re: SMS on motorola phones
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Logan, there was nothing really to "save" of my
"telnet hacking"...the PDF file I referred to I found online (still have that if
you want a copy) and everything I did in telnet went "away" when I closed the
program. :) I didn't really document anything mainly because I didn't feel
a need to. (those darn techies...don't you know code is self documenting! :D
) I will say this if you're interested in messing with telnet it really
isn't that difficult if you have some tech savvy, but it would not "fix" any
problem you are experiencing with your phone and bitpim. Not even sure if
most of the developers on bitpim would know/understand what you are talking
about if you would try to explain something with AT commands. Joe might be
the only one who TRULY knows/understands that.
BTW, the ONE good thing about verizon is that they
give you a huge $$ to buy a new phone every two years, which I did and now own a
Samsung Omnia (windows mobile, touch screen). This of course means that
bitpim is no longer of "use" because that phone is basically just another
computer talking to my computer. I still own my motorola K1m just don't
use it, that might change if I lose/break/or otherwise destroy my new
phone....where is that piece of wood to knock on.
David, you're welcome.
Later.
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Re: SMS on motorola phones
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:53:11AM -0400, David Cook wrote:
> Stephan -
>
> THANKS for that info.� I've long-suspected that these post
> accusing Verizon of 'locking-down phones' was MIS-GUIDED,
> but I could not 'prove it'.� (So, I've been hesitant to continue
I feel I have to clarify some things, since I'm one that has trashed
Verizon repeatedly, and with good reason.
> to question those that seem 'certain' that it is 'well-documented'
> that Verizon is doing that.� But, users get frustrated when
With the Motorola E815, which is what I base my opinions on, certain
operations are not possible because Verizon has disabled them. And
they have nothing to do with bitpim. For instance, I was never able
to save pictures to the micro-sd card, or copy pictures saved to the
internal phone memory to said micro-sd card. Since the phone in that
situation is not even connected to the computer, it can hardly be a
bitpim problem. They have also disabled OBEX. If it were enabled,
linux should see the phone as a usb device. Again no need of bitpim.
There are further restrictions on moving/copying ringtones, so you
have to buy the ringtones from verizon. See the wikipedia entry
on "Motorola E815" for more.
> one Bitpim user of a certain phone is successful, and they
> are NOT, so they immediately grasp at such supposed
> explanation, and just give up.)
I have recently bought another E815 on ebay to play with. It turns out
it has a different firmware version (newer most likely) and it works
better with bitpim. Some operations, instead of popping up an error
window, seem to do something. I haven't spent time yet to make sure
that, say, the contact list can be downloaded, but there is definitely
a difference in behavior. I don't know if the changes in firmware are
just bug fixes or previously crippled features that have been
un-crippled. But they are certainly Verizon-made changes.
> I'll also add that there is a learning-curve for Bitpim
> (just like there is for many sophisticated APPS).� And,
> with some users having USB-cables, and others trying
This is another variable. Some usb cables are known not to work. The
one I'm using (obtained from Motorola directly) allows tethering.
> Bluetooth-links and so MANY various cellphone models
The reason Verizon gives for disabling OBEX on Bluetooth is "security".
Yeah, right. More likely it's so that you can't get your pictures out
directly to your computer and have to send them through their server,
for which they charge you per picture sent, or you pay an amount per
month for the "privilege" of saving your own pictures.
> (and potential variations in the 'transfer-services' that
> might be in the various models of cellphone, etc), that
> each user of Bitpim is in a relatively different experience
> environment.
>
> One other thing that I THINK I figured out one day was that
> (for only certain phones?), when you create the COM-port
> that is needed, I think I saw cases where, if say the COM-port
> was COM4, the phone didn't like that, but if it was, say,
> COM5, the it DID like it, when using a Bluetooth-link.
This is windows stuff and I don't use windows, so I can't comment on
this.
> �...
A.
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Re: Verizon signal quality - the one good thing about verizon
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 07:34:39PM -0700, Aaron Williams wrote:
> I bought the Verizon micro cell for my house since my house is a faraday
> cage (steel roof, stucco walls with chicken wire). It was $200 after the
I have to give credit where credit is due. I live in a building that
some years ago had a face lift, they resurfaced the outside walls with
stucco and chicken wire. I don't know what the roof is made of, likely
not metal, but there is another apartment above me. So my building is
close to a faraday cage too, yet I can use my Motorola E815 from
anywhere in the apartment and I always see 5 bars of signal strength.
Of course, I can see the cell tower antennas on a nearby roof from the
back door, and the E815 is an excellent phone as far as the RF section
goes, but people with other carriers keep getting dropped calls
and have to go out on the fire escape to use their phones. So, I don't
know if I should be impressed with Verizon's coverage or be outraged
that they blanket/de-prioritize/drop competitor's calls on purpose,
which I've heard they do and are unapologetic for.
> rebate and is working quite well. It supports up to three simultaneous
> calls and one reserved for 911. It has a GPS antenna with a long cord
> since it requires location information. You can set it up to allow
> anyone to use it or to only allow your phone (other phones can use it if
> they can't connect to any other cell).
This is interesting to know.
> ...
A.
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Re: SMS on motorola phones
A.F. Cano - Thanks for claryifying! I stand corrected. I've always considered Wikipedia an unimpeachable source and now that I've read the words that you pointed us to on that E815 entry there, I doubt no more.
I'm also a bit 'blown away' (and happy) to read that others have sometimes been able to 'hack' some of the disabled features back into working order. Dave
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:30 PM, A. F. Cano <afc@...> wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:53:11AM -0400, David Cook wrote:
> Stephan -
>
> THANKS for that info. I've long-suspected that these post
> accusing Verizon of 'locking-down phones' was MIS-GUIDED,
> but I could not 'prove it'. (So, I've been hesitant to continue
I feel I have to clarify some things, since I'm one that has trashed
Verizon repeatedly, and with good reason.
> to question those that seem 'certain' that it is 'well-documented'
> that Verizon is doing that. But, users get frustrated when
With the Motorola E815, which is what I base my opinions on, certain
operations are not possible because Verizon has disabled them. And
they have nothing to do with bitpim. For instance, I was never able
to save pictures to the micro-sd card, or copy pictures saved to the
internal phone memory to said micro-sd card. Since the phone in that
situation is not even connected to the computer, it can hardly be a
bitpim problem. They have also disabled OBEX. If it were enabled,
linux should see the phone as a usb device. Again no need of bitpim.
There are further restrictions on moving/copying ringtones, so you
have to buy the ringtones from verizon. See the wikipedia entry
on "Motorola E815" for more.
> one Bitpim user of a certain phone is successful, and they
> are NOT, so they immediately grasp at such supposed
> explanation, and just give up.)
I have recently bought another E815 on ebay to play with. It turns out
it has a different firmware version (newer most likely) and it works
better with bitpim. Some operations, instead of popping up an error
window, seem to do something. I haven't spent time yet to make sure
that, say, the contact list can be downloaded, but there is definitely
a difference in behavior. I don't know if the changes in firmware are
just bug fixes or previously crippled features that have been
un-crippled. But they are certainly Verizon-made changes.
> I'll also add that there is a learning-curve for Bitpim
> (just like there is for many sophisticated APPS). And,
> with some users having USB-cables, and others trying
This is another variable. Some usb cables are known not to work. The
one I'm using (obtained from Motorola directly) allows tethering.
> Bluetooth-links and so MANY various cellphone models
The reason Verizon gives for disabling OBEX on Bluetooth is "security".
Yeah, right. More likely it's so that you can't get your pictures out
directly to your computer and have to send them through their server,
for which they charge you per picture sent, or you pay an amount per
month for the "privilege" of saving your own pictures.
> (and potential variations in the 'transfer-services' that
> might be in the various models of cellphone, etc), that
> each user of Bitpim is in a relatively different experience
> environment.
>
> One other thing that I THINK I figured out one day was that
> (for only certain phones?), when you create the COM-port
> that is needed, I think I saw cases where, if say the COM-port
> was COM4, the phone didn't like that, but if it was, say,
> COM5, the it DID like it, when using a Bluetooth-link.
This is windows stuff and I don't use windows, so I can't comment on
this.
> ...
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Re: SMS on motorola phones
Perhaps this search can help you:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:30 PM, A. F. Cano <afc@...> wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:53:11AM -0400, David Cook wrote:
> Stephan -
>
With the Motorola E815, which is what I base my opinions on, certain
operations are not possible because Verizon has disabled them. And
they have nothing to do with bitpim. For instance, I was never able
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Re: SMS on motorola phones
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 09:14:33AM -0500, Justin P. Goldberg wrote:
> Perhaps this search can help you:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=unlock+obex+motorola+e815&btnG=SearchThanks. I was already aware of seem editing and in fact have gathered
all kinds of tools and info. I have not done anything yet mostly
because some windows software is necessary and I don't run windows. I
also didn't want to convert my phone into a brick in case something went
wrong. I've recently bought a spare one on ebay for experimentation, so
the latter argument is overcome. It's also not a high priority. When
I get around to it, I'll certainly keep the list informed.
A.
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flame reply, was Re: Verizon VX8360 File Access Blocked
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I haven't been able to get back to these emails
until now, sorry...
but I WILL respond to this, which is
junk.
Show me where I used either the words "stupid" or
"worthless". You, sir, are putting words in my mouth.
You should read my comments again and very
carefully. First of all, unless you go way back through the history of
messages for more than a year, you don't know anything about whether or not I
used honey in the past.
Also, as far as what I need, which I explained
carefully, I stand by my statement. In fact, Bitpim is worse than
worthless, because I've wasted countless hours trying to make it work. As
obviously, have many other people. Read these forums for a couple of
years. Ok, so, let's go ahead and use your word. For *me*... for
what I need to do, it's "worthless".
I have every right to say what I feel in here and
I've been insulting to no one. You also have the right to say anything you
want. You spewed at least 4 emails to this group most of which are full of
opinion and *advice* to others about what to say and where.
There are people who read these forums who actually
have some authority. In *my* opinion, the ultimate authorities are the
developers. They are silent. And if you look through the archives,
you might wonder why. But, they are silent.
Maybe you should take your own advice. I'll
add some: Read more and talk less.
Try reading the message from "Logan Park", which
was sent just before yours, as an example of something helpful.
It will be interesting to see if you are still
reading this list. Flame me.
take care,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [BitPim-user] Verizon VX8360 File Access
Blocked
Jim - I doubt
you're gonna get any help from developers if you say (stupid) stuff
like: '...see how worthless they were for problem x'. [Ever heard
the wisdom 'you get more bees with honey than with vinegar'?] As for SMS
backup, again you just 'bitch' about no one responding. I'd say that
people WILL respond to any/all issues, but only if they KNOW something
relevant to what you are asking. Lastly, bear in mind that by FAR,
most of readers of this list are just Bitpim users (like you) rather than
developers. And, as you mentioned, they have no obligation to answer or
try to fix any of the issues brought up here. So, chill a bit and be
friendlier. The bambi principle (If you don't have something nice to
say, don't say anything at all) is very applicable to support-lists like this
one. My 2-cents...
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Jim Turtora <jturtora@...>
wrote:
I absolutely love this. Finally a long
discussion and flame on this subject.
I have verizon and will keep the F*ck&rs,
because they have the best and most reliable network with the best email and
messaging in the areas where I need it.
For all other things, I hate them.
I have a Verizon Motorola Razr V3M, a phone which
has enough power to have landed Armstrong safely on the moon and returned him
to earth.
However, the phone can't even let me see what
time it is while I'm on a call. There's no way on this marvel of
hardware and software engineering to tell the day and time while on a
call.
As for Bitpim, it's useless for this phone.
All I want to do is copy my SMS and photos.
Bitpim DOES NOT WORK with the verizon v3m and I
have no idea how to make it work.
As for the developers of bitpim, you will see
just how quiet and useless they are on this problem. I've been trying to
solve this for a year. I even asked about a very suspicious line of code
I found and got NO RESPONSE AT ALL.
As for the responsibility of the developers to
FIX this problem?
THEY HAVE ZERO RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX
THIS.
BITPIM IS FREE.
THIS FORUM IS FREE.
WE CAN BITCH ALL WE WANT, BUT THAT IS POINTLESS,
BECAUSE THIS IS FREE.
THE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT PAID AND HAVE ZERO
OBLIGATION TO THIS OR ANY OF US.
This is, however, supposed to be a user
community.
I have asked time and again for people with
Verizon v3m service if they get SMS backup. No one
responds.
As for the guy who responded earlier about the
photos and SMS on a v3m, I don't believe him.
Let's see what he has to say to
that.
take care dudes...
Jim
hahaha
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [BitPim-user] Verizon VX8360 File Access
Blocked
bitpim does work with at least some verizon phones, I
know that my old lg vx8300 worked amazingly well with bitpim, but the big part
is making sure you have a phone that is on the compatibility list
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [BitPim-user] Verizon VX8360 File Access
Blocked
Don,
This is my first Verizon phone, and my first post with BitPim. Thanks for
letting me know you have no solution.
By the way, you only have to hit me with a brick once, but to close the
issue, does anyone else second this opinion?
Tocworld
NO.....There is no solution to this useless program...how long will
you people continue trying..give it up.....Bitpim does not work with any
verizon phone...and thats the way verizon wants it.
solution - buy another phone and get another service.....
how often do you have to get hit with a brick before you see its gonna
hurt
On May 11, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Leonard Tocci wrote:
I have been able to connect BitPim to the VX8360
phone using the VX8350 phone on the BitPim phone wizared list
and manually setting the com port. The problem is that the phone provider
has blocked the file access so I can not read or write to the directory. I
have noted in the SourceForce archives that a user claimed that BitPim (older
version) was able to access a different phone for which it was claimed
that the files had been blocked by the provider.
I have also searched the internet for help to no
avail. The Verizon supplied BackupAssistant is primitive, and I would
like to use BitPim as I have for my previous phone. Is there any chance that
there is a solution?
Tocworld
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sorry I haven't been able to get back to these
messages for a while.
Logan,
I don't know the answers to your questions.
The reason I posted over a year ago was to see if the developers had any answers
to exactly the things you are asking. All I did was go digging into the
code. Quite a lot of it. I was trying to see why things weren't
working for me. When I came across the python script that I reference
below, I was shocked to see a number like 999 in it. Since I have more
than that number of messages, I certainly find it relevant. It looks to me
like their SMS entries are going to get overwritten.
I had some successes at times with some things,
though. I was sometimes able to see the inbox and sent message folders,
and even to do a one by one copy of the messages. They are not saved to a
human readable format, though, and I found it was dangerous to use the delete
function. These things are all side issues, though. I would not try
to investigate them further without learning more about the "999"
issue.
One option is to set up the development environment
properly and set the 999 to 5,000 or something and see what happens. I
hoped a developer would have suggested this and sent me a test
version.
take care,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [BitPim-user] SMS on motorola phones
Now I feel like we're getting somewhere. Jim, does that 999
cap mean that -phones with more than 999 sms messages will fail to
transfer -the first 999 messages will be transferred -the first 999 will
be trasferred then overwritten with subsequent messages -something
else? also is the 999 -total sms messages on the phone -total in inbox
OR outbox OR drafts Stephan, that's pretty sweet you hacked around in
telnet. did you save that work? could it be useful to other
listers? Logan
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:54 AM, <phxcaps@...> wrote:
Jim, sorry I can't really "point" you to any
code...my research pointed me directly toward the phone via the protocol log
file. I noticed the AT command set that was there and started doing a
little telnet hacking toward my phone. Bitpim uses the AT command set to
commicate with phone, thats why you see the "modem mode" v. "brew mode"
in the log files, so I figured I would duplicate what bitpim was sending my
phone to see if I could figure it out. What I figured out was that
bitpim is using the "text mode" of the AT command set no the "pdu mode".
Think ASCII vs. HEX. The fact that bitpim is trying to retrieve
messages that might contain MULTIMEDIA(binary!?!?!) info makes the AT command
give back nonuniform responses and that in turn makes bitpim
"puke".
The long story short...unless bitpim changes its
interaction with motorola phones by doing binary retrieves it will never work
nicely.
Hope that helps...I could send you a PDF file of
the AT command set if you like. Just in case you wanted to "play" a
little with telnet.
Later.
Stephan
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:58 AM
Subject:
Re: [BitPim-user] SMS on motorola phones
which brings up the question... ughh... maybe I
shouldn't bring it up. I'm a developer, too. I should know
better...
but how about some exception checking?
Ok, so, if MMS are a problem, how about skipping rather than going belly
up? Or popping out some message when the routine gets something
unexpected. There is a good reason to code this way... it's a
lot easier to fix things if you write code so the trail can be
followed.
So, can you point to the code for
me?
What you are saying is significant, because it
means there's no point in attempting a fix with a seem edit.
Many months ago I brought up a question about
the code. I expected someone to at least say something about it and
perhaps ask me to bring it into the developer forum. I'm not a bitpim
developer, so until one of the developers asks me to post it there, it seems
to me it belongs here. No one has ever made a single comment, so I'm
posting it again in here for your benefit. Since you seem to be
informally looking at the code much the way I am, check out this interesting
little snippet, for which I can get NO response from anyone....
================================================================================
class
SMSEntry(object):
...
_id_index=0
_max_id_index=999
...
def
_create_id(self):
"Create a
BitPim serial for this entry"
self._data.setdefault("serials",
[]).append(\
{"sourcetype":
"bitpim",
"id": '%.3f%03d'%(time.time(), SMSEntry._id_index)
})
if
SMSEntry._id_index<SMSEntry._max_id_index:
SMSEntry._id_index+=1
else:
SMSEntry._id_index=0
...
================================================================================
tell me dudes and dudettes... how do you
like that there "else" statement??? Ain't she sweet? So,
what do you think happens if you have a *lot* of SMS messages on your
phone?
Why 999? I'd like to have one of the
developers give me a version with 9999 to test. Believe me, once the
phone has more than a thousand text messages, it's marvelously wonderfully
slow. Plenty of time to sip coffee between menu items and button
presses, but still... this code decides after an index is above a
certain number, let's just reset it.
How about at least crashing nicely with a nice
message, instead?
take care,
Jim
-----
Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:20 AM
Subject: [BitPim-user] SMS on motorola phones
Not sure about all the other posts regarding phones
and verizon but specifically regarding motorola phones in general and
bitpim there is an SMS issue. I'm not a developer of bitpim, but
I am a developer, but I did some research on this because I own a K1m
motorola that had this problem. I was getting the exact
response/log that Logan was getting and figured out with trial and
error that is pertains to the MMS (ie. messages that have attachments -
pictures, video, sound). Getting rid of MMS messages allowed
bitpim to download the other messages. For me this sucked because
I wanted to keep the attachments of some of those messages so I started
doing research...the coder in me took over. What I found was that
when there was an MMS on your phone the process that bitpim uses to get
the messages no longer works the way the bitpim developers coded
for. It has to do with the fact that bitpim is using modem AT
comands to retrieve the data. I know this is more than most of you
care/want to know, but I'm telling you this so you know it is NOT
because Verizon decided to "lock down your phones". Verizon has
faults, don't even get me started on the whole GPS/VZ Navigator crap
they pull, but this particular problem has nothing to do with
them. I remove myself from the soap box...next person is up.
:) Stephan
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Re: flame reply, was Re: Verizon VX8360 File Access Blocked
Jim - I did not say you used the word 'stupid'. I said that your words seem worthless (therefore, seem stupid to me). But, if it makes you feel better to call Bitpim worthless, go ahead. Bitpim is free software. And, it works for some people and not for
others (partly because Verizon purposely breaks it for some phones). Maybe your phone is one of those that it's been broken or rendered mostly ineffective for. I don't know, because I don't own that phone.
I'm a developer myself, but not a developer of Bitpim. But, I was just 'speaking in behalf' of developers, because it appears to me that you are, directly or indirectly, saying very negative things
about a FREE product, and flaming the developers of Bitpim, for issues that, in my view, are NOT the fault of the developers at all. [Don't expect me to go thru any postings you made before I came onto
the list. All I saw was that single posting, and I was responding ONLY to that.] If the product proves to be worthless to you, so be it. But, all your ranting and flaming are (probably) not going to bring you anything other than
silence from the developers. Maybe, like them, I should have remained silent (if they are listening). And, henceforth, I will now remain silent on this topic. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Jim Turtora <jturtora@...> wrote:
I haven't been able to get back to these emails
until now, sorry...
but I WILL respond to this, which is
junk.
Show me where I used either the words "stupid" or
"worthless". You, sir, are putting words in my mouth.
You should read my comments again and very
carefully. First of all, unless you go way back through the history of
messages for more than a year, you don't know anything about whether or not I
used honey in the past.
Also, as far as what I need, which I explained
carefully, I stand by my statement. In fact, Bitpim is worse than
worthless, because I've wasted countless hours trying to make it work. As
obviously, have many other people. Read these forums for a couple of
years. Ok, so, let's go ahead and use your word. For *me*... for
what I need to do, it's "worthless".
I have every right to say what I feel in here and
I've been insulting to no one. You also have the right to say anything you
want. You spewed at least 4 emails to this group most of which are full of
opinion and *advice* to others about what to say and where.
There are people who read these forums who actually
have some authority. In *my* opinion, the ultimate authorities are the
developers. They are silent. And if you look through the archives,
you might wonder why. But, they are silent.
Maybe you should take your own advice. I'll
add some: Read more and talk less.
Try reading the message from "Logan Park", which
was sent just before yours, as an example of something helpful.
It will be interesting to see if you are still
reading this list. Flame me.
take care,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [BitPim-user] Verizon VX8360 File Access
Blocked
Jim - I doubt
you're gonna get any help from developers if you say (stupid) stuff
like: '...see how worthless they were for problem x'. [Ever heard
the wisdom 'you get more bees with honey than with vinegar'?] As for SMS
backup, again you just 'bitch' about no one responding. I'd say that
people WILL respond to any/all issues, but only if they KNOW something
relevant to what you are asking. Lastly, bear in mind that by FAR,
most of readers of this list are just Bitpim users (like you) rather than
developers. And, as you mentioned, they have no obligation to answer or
try to fix any of the issues brought up here. So, chill a bit and be
friendlier. The bambi principle (If you don't have something nice to
say, don't say anything at all) is very applicable to support-lists like this
one. My 2-cents...
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Jim Turtora <jturtora@...>
wrote:
I absolutely love this. Finally a long
discussion and flame on this subject.
I have verizon and will keep the F*ck&rs,
because they have the best and most reliable network with the best email and
messaging in the areas where I need it.
For all other things, I hate them.
I have a Verizon Motorola Razr V3M, a phone which
has enough power to have landed Armstrong safely on the moon and returned him
to earth.
However, the phone can't even let me see what
time it is while I'm on a call. There's no way on this marvel of
hardware and software engineering to tell the day and time while on a
call.
As for Bitpim, it's useless for this phone.
All I want to do is copy my SMS and photos.
Bitpim DOES NOT WORK with the verizon v3m and I
have no idea how to make it work.
As for the developers of bitpim, you will see
just how quiet and useless they are on this problem. I've been trying to
solve this for a year. I even asked about a very suspicious line of code
I found and got NO RESPONSE AT ALL.
As for the responsibility of the developers to
FIX this problem?
THEY HAVE ZERO RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX
THIS.
BITPIM IS FREE.
THIS FORUM IS FREE.
WE CAN BITCH ALL WE WANT, BUT THAT IS POINTLESS,
BECAUSE THIS IS FREE.
THE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT PAID AND HAVE ZERO
OBLIGATION TO THIS OR ANY OF US.
This is, however, supposed to be a user
community.
I have asked time and again for people with
Verizon v3m service if they get SMS backup. No one
responds.
As for the guy who responded earlier about the
photos and SMS on a v3m, I don't believe him.
Let's see what he has to say to
that.
take care dudes...
Jim
hahaha
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [BitPim-user] Verizon VX8360 File Access
Blocked
bitpim does work with at least some verizon phones, I
know that my old lg vx8300 worked amazingly well with bitpim, but the big part
is making sure you have a phone that is on the compatibility list
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [BitPim-user] Verizon VX8360 File Access
Blocked
Don,
This is my first Verizon phone, and my first post with BitPim. Thanks for
letting me know you have no solution.
By the way, you only have to hit me with a brick once, but to close the
issue, does anyone else second this opinion?
Tocworld
NO.....There is no solution to this useless program...how long will
you people continue trying..give it up.....Bitpim does not work with any
verizon phone...and thats the way verizon wants it.
solution - buy another phone and get another service.....
how often do you have to get hit with a brick before you see its gonna
hurt
On May 11, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Leonard Tocci wrote:
I have been able to connect BitPim to the VX8360
phone using the VX8350 phone on the BitPim phone wizared list
and manually setting the com port. The problem is that the phone provider
has blocked the file access so I can not read or write to the directory. I
have noted in the SourceForce archives that a user claimed that BitPim (older
version) was able to access a different phone for which it was claimed
that the files had been blocked by the provider.
I have also searched the internet for help to no
avail. The Verizon supplied BackupAssistant is primitive, and I would
like to use BitPim as I have for my previous phone. Is there any chance that
there is a solution?
Tocworld
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At 10:30 PM 5/22/2009, David Cook wrote:
>Jim -
>
>I did not say you used the word 'stupid'. I said that your words
>seem worthless (therefore, seem stupid to me). But, if it makes
>you feel better to call Bitpim worthless, go ahead.
>
>Bitpim is free software. And, it works for some people and not for
>others (partly because Verizon purposely breaks it for some phones).
>
>Maybe your phone is one of those that it's been broken or rendered
>mostly ineffective for. I don't know, because I don't own that phone.
A week or so ago, I issued an appeal here to help me resolve the
problem others have had from time to time, where the error message
indicated that "your phone provider is preventing access to this
directory" or words to that effect.
Since then, over the past week, I've discovered several things:
1. My problem actually isn't that Verizon has gotten into my Voyager
and disabled my ability to download my phone to my computer; rather,
it looks very much as if the USB connector on my Voyager is worn out.
I can say this with fair certainty since I ordered a new USB cable
earlier this week, and have been trying to use it the past two
nights. As long as it's positioned properly into my phone, I CAN
download SMS and whatever else I want, from my Voyager. And, also,
BTW, complete full recharging of my phone.
BUT!!! If the cable is positioned in any other way than the one I've
finally found barely works, then my computer cannot "talk" to my
phone. Or vice versa.
Ergo, I conclude that the USB connector in my particular phone is
most likely worn out. I strongly suspect this is the case because I
had to return my original Voyager in March due to several of the
keyboard lights going out intermittently. What Verizon gave me was a
supposed "refurbished" phone. Yeahrightsure... and just about worn out, itself.
2. When my phone first refused to download last Saturday night, I
quickly whipped off a complaining e-mail to Verizon. Unlike what they
say on their web site, they didn't respond for over 48 hours... they
claim they'll respond within 24 hours but we all know how these big
corporations work, that don't give a shit about their customers, and
whose CEOs sit behind the castle gates and count their do-re-mi... 8-P
Here is what Verizon finally sent me that I finally received late
Monday afternoon.
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Good Afternoon Mr. xxxxxxxx. Thank you for contacting Verizon
Wireless through our website. My name is Melodee, I understand that
you would like information regarding the Bitpim application on your
LG Voyager. I know how important it is for you to be able to use the
applications that work best for your phone and I am sorry for any
difficulties that you have experienced. I will be more than happy to
assist you today.
I would first like to apologize for the delay in our response to your
email. Due to overwhelming consumer interest in our new products and
services, we are currently experiencing a much higher than normal
email volume. However, we are diligently working to reply to each
customer's email in a timely manner and we do appreciate your patience.
Verizon Wireless is committed to providing quality customer service,
while maintaining the nation's most reliable wireless network. As a
reflection of our commitment Verizon Wireless will block any
third-party application that may comprise the security of our
network. I certainly apologize for any inconvenience this may cause
for you.
We value your business since August of 2008 and would love to keep
you as a customer, however, we will be unable to provide access to
services that may cause breaches in our network.
If you decide to cancel your wireless service, an early termination
fee will be assessed on your final bill. I show that your contract
end date is 08/01/10. Cancellation prior to that date will result in
an early termination fee of $ 130.00 through the ending of your
billing cycle, 05/21/2009.
Mr. Harrison, I hope the information I have provided about the Bitpim
application on your phone is helpful. Thank you for giving me the
opportunity to assist you today. We appreciate your business and
thank you for using Verizon Wireless. Should you have additional
questions or concerns, please reply to this e-mail.
Sincerely,
Melodee
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Re: Verizon VX8360 File Access Blocked (also VX10000 )
Last night, I mentioned that I had found that my own Voyager was not
getting downloaded and was giving a blocked file access error message
because the phone's USB connector appeared to have become
intermittent. That's true... However, I forgot to mention what else
I had to do in order to avoid getting the "file block" message.
It seems that with the intermittent USB connector, Bitpim keeps
trying to access and ID the phone and after the connector has made
and broken connection a number of times, something gets messed up in
either the phone or Bitpim, and you'll get that "file block" error
message. Before then, Bitpim will simply be unable to connect solidly
to the phone and you won't be able to complete your download, if the
connector isn't stable inside the phone. Then finally, once you've
figured out how to hold the USB cable so the connector is making good
contact inside the phone, you may get that "file block" error. What
you then have to do is turn off the phone and turn it back on. Then
it will download properly, assuming you hold the cable just right and
the connector is finally making good contact to the printed circuit
board inside the phone.
I just tried returning my Voyager to get another replacement and my
Verizon store no longer stocks Voyager replacements. So they had to
order one and it'll be shipped directly to me and I'll have to ship
my broken one back. They say I should get it on Wednesday.
I asked about the warranty.... I bought my phone on July 31, 2008,
and have already had to exchange it in March when several of the
keyboard illumination lamps became intermittent. The Verizon salesman
said something about my refurbished phone only having a 90 day
warranty. As it happens, that means 90 days from when I activate it
on Wednesday, and that'll essentially extend my warranty by 25 days
to August 25. At least, that's what I think the salesman was saying.
So I'm now thinking... what if this happens again... the USB
connector breaks loose from the PC board? I'd like to try to solder
it back on.... I'm an electronics engineer with good skills working
with tiny components like this. The problem is.... how to disassemble
the phone non-destructively? Has anyone taken a Voyage apart? I
suspect the case snaps together and is probably also glued; is that true?
We can probably expect a refurbished phone to be more likely to have
a worn-out USB connector because I seriously doubt they bother to
replace them when they rebuild the phones. If you swap your phone in
at the Verizon store, you might just want to check how well your
download cable actually fits before leaving.
Of course, you can get around this download problem if you do it by
Bluetooth.... but still, you'll have trouble charging the phone since
the connector will get looser and looser until even the charging
contacts don't make good contact.
This makes the point that one should try to extend the life of the
phone's USB connector by not plugging into the phone any more than
necessary, such as when it really needs recharging. When it doesn't
need charging, we should download using Bluetooth, whenever possible,
to avoid unnecessary wear and tear on the connector.
I think these LG phones are more likely to have this problem because
their USB connector is smaller than that on many other manufacturer's
phones, and so stress from the cable is more-easily transferred to
the tiny pins on the connector.
Thanks,
SteveH
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Re: Verizon VX8360 File Access Blocked (also VX10000 )
--- On Sat, 5/23/09, Steve < k0xp@...> wrote:
> I think these LG phones are more likely to have this
> problem because
> their USB connector is smaller than that on many other
> manufacturer's
> phones, and so stress from the cable is more-easily
> transferred to
> the tiny pins on the connector.
That the new and mostly pointless Micro USB connector? The Env2 has it even though there's more than enough room for a Mini B connector.
USB has suffered much from "feature creep". Originally there was supposed to be ONE type of connector so users wouldn't need a bag full of different cables to connect things to their computers.
Now there's USB A, B, Mini B, Micro B, and four to six different other "B" connectors, including a "digital camera" connector that's tiny and nearly square but has the data lines reversed. It was also used on Diamond Multimedia's early MP3 players like the PMP 500, but with the +5V line cut.
The USB "standard" has been allowed to get out of control. Firewire is going the same way with the original having 4 and 6 pin connectors and being retronamed FW400 since FW800 came along, also with more than one type of connector.
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