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Re: Preferred way of stating paragraph styles and character styles within VO?

2009-12-08T15:10:03Z

On Tuesday 08 December 2009, Steve Litt wrote:

[snip]

> > Suppose you were writing a '... for Dummies' book. You could specify
> >
> > sidebar tips in special paragraphs like this:
> > >TIP
> > >Make sure power is disconnected BEFORE sticking your finger in the
> > > light socket.
> > >
> > >WARNING
> > >Always use this alias "rm='rm -i'" in your profile to prevent
> > > accidental deletion of everything with "rm *"
> >
> > < however, makes itself useful for directives, much as DJP has shown.
>
> Do those wrap?

Read ':he vo-objects'

> wraps
< doesn't wrap

> Those are paragraph styles -- how would I do a character style? For
> instance, I might have a character style called chcode, used on Linux
> commands, that monofonts it characters. How would I do the equivalent
> of:

; sets a character/paragraph type of, shall we say, code. It is monospaced
and will not wrap.

>
> Always use the >chcode rm -i >end_chcode to prevent accidental wholesale
> deletion.
>
> > The question is... How can we make such features in VO clearer to the
> > user.
>
> Documentation. I'll do it.
>
> SteveT

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Re: Preferred way of stating paragraph styles and character styles within VO?

2009-12-08T14:55:56Z

On Tuesday 08 December 2009 11:37:14 Noel Henson wrote:

> On Monday 07 December 2009, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Hi Noel,
> >
> > What do you envision as the "official VO way" of specifying character
> > styles and paragraph styles within a VO outline? Whatever it is, it
> > should probably be strongly documented, and I think I know a guy who is
> > pretty good at documentation.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > SteveT
>
> Steve,
>
> I would start with :he vo-objects
>
> That gives the basic overview. But, VO does not have character or paragraph
> styles as such. You can group things together in different VO objects each
> with it's own special attributes. It is up to the postprocessor to convert
> those groups and attributes into the output the user desires.

Exactly! The character and paragraph styles (and maybe also commands) would be
passed through to the postprocessor. They have no meaning in VO itself,
because VO's format is monofont text.

>
> Suppose you were writing a '... for Dummies' book. You could specify
>
> sidebar tips in special paragraphs like this:
> >TIP
> >Make sure power is disconnected BEFORE sticking your finger in the light
> >socket.
> >
> >WARNING
> >Always use this alias "rm='rm -i'" in your profile to prevent accidental
> >deletion of everything with "rm *"
>
> < however, makes itself useful for directives, much as DJP has shown.

Do those wrap?

Those are paragraph styles -- how would I do a character style? For instance,
I might have a character style called chcode, used on Linux commands, that
monofonts it characters. How would I do the equivalent of:

Always use the >chcode rm -i >end_chcode to prevent accidental wholesale
deletion.

>
> The question is... How can we make such features in VO clearer to the user.

Documentation. I'll do it.

SteveT

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Re: Preferred way of stating paragraph styles and character styles within VO?

2009-12-08T08:37:14Z

On Monday 07 December 2009, Steve Litt wrote:

> Hi Noel,
>
> What do you envision as the "official VO way" of specifying character
> styles and paragraph styles within a VO outline? Whatever it is, it
> should probably be strongly documented, and I think I know a guy who is
> pretty good at documentation.
>
> Thanks
>
> SteveT
>

Steve,

I would start with :he vo-objects

That gives the basic overview. But, VO does not have character or paragraph
styles as such. You can group things together in different VO objects each
with it's own special attributes. It is up to the postprocessor to convert
those groups and attributes into the output the user desires.

Suppose you were writing a '... for Dummies' book. You could specify
sidebar tips in special paragraphs like this:

>TIP
>Make sure power is disconnected BEFORE sticking your finger in the light
>socket.

>WARNING
>Always use this alias "rm='rm -i'" in your profile to prevent accidental
>deletion of everything with "rm *"

< however, makes itself useful for directives, much as DJP has shown.

The question is... How can we make such features in VO clearer to the user.
It has been in vo help for a long time but somehow the information fails to
make it from there into the user's brain.

Noel

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Re: Preferred way of stating paragraph styles and character styles within VO?

2009-12-08T06:12:34Z

Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi Noel,
>
> What do you envision as the "official VO way" of specifying character styles
> and paragraph styles within a VO outline? Whatever it is, it should probably
> be strongly documented, and I think I know a guy who is pretty good at
> documentation.

IMHO, there is no extra magic within VO, other that the good ol " < > :
;", and I personally would not want to make any further definition at
this early stage, because I need the ultimate flexibility to output to
multiple formats.

I'm using UDT "<" to embed post-process directives, and ">" to embed
in-line comments.
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Re: Use defined paragraph and character styles

2009-12-08T06:02:09Z

Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> A couple days ago I discussed on the LyX developers list the fact that native
> LyX is getting harder by the version to parse and write. I suggested an
> intermediate format be created that wouldn't change from version to version in
> order to go from VO to LyX. I mentioned that I'd probably have to be the guy
> who wrote the intermediate to LyX code.
well that sounds nifty !
>
> I was hopeful when you described AFT, but upon reading aft-refman.html, I find
> no way of specifying user defined paragraph and character styles, nor does it
> look like the AFT developers have given that need any thought. Have I missed
> something?
Yes, a couple of things, I think.
Firstly, aft knows nothing of "user-defined-text", and it is otl2aft.awk
that transforms an outline to aft. Tweaking that awk file is how
aft-styles are controlled. We have modified our awk pre-processor to do
some things with UDT (user defined text) and other UDT lines, that don't
match this first transform, are silently ignored.
Secondly, now that the outline is a valid aft file, the proper
transforms are *.dat files referred to by aft, as it converts to the
next format. These files reside in /usr/local/share/aft/, I think, and
to modify them, one tweaks the desired .tex rules (in this case)
recompiles the .dat.
The resultant latex is converted to pdf via pdflatex or xetex something.
This seemingly monsterous path is actually quite solid and yet vastly
flexible for fully configurable, parallel output.

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Preferred way of stating paragraph styles and character styles within VO?

2009-12-07T21:50:53Z

Hi Noel,

What do you envision as the "official VO way" of specifying character styles
and paragraph styles within a VO outline? Whatever it is, it should probably
be strongly documented, and I think I know a guy who is pretty good at
documentation.

Thanks

SteveT

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Use defined paragraph and character styles

2009-12-07T21:48:45Z

Hi David,

A couple days ago I discussed on the LyX developers list the fact that native
LyX is getting harder by the version to parse and write. I suggested an
intermediate format be created that wouldn't change from version to version in
order to go from VO to LyX. I mentioned that I'd probably have to be the guy
who wrote the intermediate to LyX code.

I was hopeful when you described AFT, but upon reading aft-refman.html, I find
no way of specifying user defined paragraph and character styles, nor does it
look like the AFT developers have given that need any thought. Have I missed
something?

Thanks

SteveT

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vimoutliner development; all fueled up and stalling... goto irc.freenode.net #vimoutliner

2009-12-07T08:50:05Z

Yes folks, we're losing altitude.
Still lots of excitement and people using (and loving) vimoutliner.
Lots of great new (and old) ideas.
Programmers standing in the wings.
email threads being forgotten about.
website unchanging.
no new code.
snowing.
sad.

join me to co-miserate in IRC
irc.freenode.net
#vimoutliner

I will keep the channel open

you keep the faith.
k?
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Tarball with recent developments?

2009-11-15T10:36:04Z

Is there a development tarball with some of the recent changes
(hoisting, in particular)? I re-installed my OS recently, and would be
interested in giving the new features a try as I know now that I have
a good backup of my original files. :)

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Re: VO-based todo manager: tkdo 0.7

2009-11-13T19:49:14Z

* Steve Litt <slitt@...> wrote:
> You need better documentation.

Thanks for looking at it, and for reminding me! :)

There are two files with documentation, README and example.otl.
But neither one really gives a tutorial or quickstart, and both
are probably getting a little old. So, there are a few things to
update...

> I have no idea what to do with it. ...
> U need a tutorial. You can use me as the giny pig. What's my
> next step? How do I do a proof of concept?

Let's see... the quickstart should probably cover the following:

- Installation.
make install (or: ln -s ~/src/tkdo/todo.py ~/bin/tkdo )
ln -s `which tkdo` ~/bin/t

- Configuration.
# create a config file
tkdo cfg -o ~/.tkdo/rc
# change anything you like (add task files)
vim ~/.tkdo/rc
# remove settings you haven't changed
tkdo cfg --non-default -o ~/.tkdo/rc

- How to use it.
tkdo help # list commands
tkdo help [command] # details for a command

The GUI hopefully is mostly self-explanatory, and has
functions listed in Help -> Show Keybindings.

The TUI has functions listed if you press '?'.

As for what to actually do with it, that's a more difficult
question. Perhaps for that I should link to the documentation on
its project site:

http://toykeeper.net/programs/tkdo/
http://toykeeper.net/programs/tkdo/gtd

I've found that there are some things I do frequently which
should probably be turned into actual features... for example, I
keep an item at the top of each file whose title is '...'. Its
only purpose is to let me easily add tasks to the top of the
file, by moving the cursor to it and pressing 'o' (like in vim).
It might be better to just have an actual feature which would
either add a task to the top/bottom of the current file. And
another to make it list each task file.

> I performed make todo and ...

Oh, yeah. That's just a reminder for developers. I put comments
in the code with tags of "TODO" or "FIXME" when there's something
I need to remember for later, and then 'make todo' will grep for
those. I should probably export that to a VO file, but haven't
bothered.

In any case, there is a lot left to do, and I'm finally getting
some of it done again. :)

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Re: VO-based todo manager: tkdo 0.7

2009-11-12T21:36:47Z

On Thursday 12 November 2009 23:53:50 Scott Scriven wrote:
> I finally released TKDO 0.7, if anyone is interested. The main
> change is a completely new text UI based on curses.

Hi Scott,

You need better documentation. I made a todo list, and then I ran ./todo.py.
Then I tried ./todo.py todo.otl and it told me I had a bad command. There was
no ./tkdo.py at all. Here is the list of files created by unpacking your
package:

slitt@mydesk:~/tdo/tkdo-0.7$ ls -ltr
total 344
-rw-r--r-- 1 slitt slitt 8931 2009-11-06 21:50 README
-rw-r--r-- 1 slitt slitt 5660 2009-11-06 21:50 example.otl
-rwxr-xr-x 1 slitt slitt 14763 2009-11-06 21:50 pycfg.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 slitt slitt 7639 2009-11-06 21:50 COPYING.LESSER
-rw-r--r-- 1 slitt slitt 35147 2009-11-06 21:50 COPYING
drwxr-xr-x 2 slitt slitt 4096 2009-11-06 21:50 contrib
-rwxr-xr-x 1 slitt slitt 127557 2009-11-11 21:45 todo.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 slitt slitt 1663 2009-11-11 21:45 Makefile
-rw-r--r-- 1 slitt slitt 5831 2009-11-11 21:57 ChangeLog.summary
-rw-r--r-- 1 slitt slitt 87144 2009-11-11 21:57 ChangeLog
-rwxr-xr-x 1 slitt slitt 15999 2009-11-13 00:19 pycfg.pyc
slitt@mydesk:~/tdo/tkdo-0.7$

I tried the make command, but it said target "all" had nothing to do. I finally
did make install and now I have a tkdo command, but I have no idea what to do
with it. I performed make todo and it listed what looked like a multilevel
todolist to the screen, but I had no idea what to do with it.

U need a tutorial. You can use me as the giny pig. What's my next step? How do
I do a proof of concept?

SteveT

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VO-based todo manager: tkdo 0.7

2009-11-12T20:53:50Z

I finally released TKDO 0.7, if anyone is interested. The main
change is a completely new text UI based on curses. It's faster
than the GUI, uses less memory, allows colorized tasks, and works
well over ssh. Also, this version has a variety of small new
features and bugfixes.

http://toykeeper.net/programs/tkdo/files/tkdo-0.7.tar.gz

Changes since 0.6:

General:
+ Added a curses-based text interface.
* Updated config library to allow saving only non-default values.
+ Added ability to snooze for units such as 'ddd' (3 days) or 'ww' (2 weeks).
+ Added ability to filter in 'and' or 'or' modes
(to display a union of contexts instead of an intersection).
* Made snoozed / completed tasks display as 'Zzz' / '[X]' instead of '0'.
* Handle missing task files by ignoring them instead of exiting.
* Added task title to log message for launching the editor.
CLI:
+ Added an automation facility based on the TUI.
Basically, any extra parameters will be executed as if the user had
typed them into the TUI.
Shared UI:
* Moved most of the GUI logic into a shared base class,
so the TUI and GUI can share behavior without writing everything twice.
+ Added a 'zoom' feature to auto-filter into the current branch.
(bound to the 'enter' key by default)
TUI:
+ All new curses interface! Works well over ssh.
GUI:
* Changed 'editor' config item to 'editor_gui'.
The GUI and TUI can use different editors.

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gtd - no schedule, 3 lists, etc

2009-11-03T15:15:45Z

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Re: all of your vo_base.vim are belong to.. whom ?

2009-10-22T21:14:29Z

On Thursday 22 October 2009 23:56:23 David J Patrick wrote:
> Noel Henson wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > I have looked into individual names but vim doesn't work that way.
>
> Alright I can deal with that, but riddle me this; what of the whole raft
> of files in /usr/share/vim/ as opposed to ~/.vim/ ? They are in play,
> too, aren't they (with their various vo_base.vim files) in total, I seem
> to have about nine of them!

David -- those are ghosts of installations past. The standard install from the
VimOutliner project puts all the stuff in the ~/.vim tree, the ~/.vimoutliner
tree, ~/.vimrc and ~/.vimoutlinerrc.

If you installed using a package, all bets are off.

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Re: all of your vo_base.vim are belong to.. whom ?

2009-10-22T20:56:23Z

Noel Henson wrote:
> David,
>
> I have looked into individual names but vim doesn't work that way.

Alright I can deal with that, but riddle me this; what of the whole raft
of files in /usr/share/vim/ as opposed to ~/.vim/ ? They are in play,
too, aren't they (with their various vo_base.vim files) in total, I seem
to have about nine of them!

must.. simplify..

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Re: all of your vo_base.vim are belong to.. whom ?

2009-10-22T12:36:53Z

On Thursday 22 October 2009 14:18:14 David J Patrick wrote:
> In poking around themes and schemes and stuff, I see vo_base.vim in
> almost every ~/.vim sub directory. That CAN'T be right!

It's right. They're three different files with the same filename but in different
directories.

>
> Is there actually more than one (and I'm using the Bill Powell version)
> and where should it (they) go ?

IIRC in ~/.vim/ftplugin, ~/.vim/ftdetect and ~/.vim/syntax.

>
> Noel offered a naming convention change, is vo_base_syntax.vim a better
> name (presuming that's where it goes) ?

One vitally important thing to remember -- we have a very strict naming
convention that every VimOutliner file begin with vo_ (vee oh underscore). That
must always be true, or else uninstall becomes very problematic, as does
troubleshooting. This naming convention was hammered out when we transitioned
from the single tree VO to the Vim Plugin VO, so as to keep the uninstall and
troubleshooting ease of the single tree VO.

Thanks

SteveT

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Re: all of your vo_base.vim are belong to.. whom ?

2009-10-22T11:36:36Z

David,

I have looked into individual names but vim doesn't work that way. Vim
expects all files (syntax, functions, indentation, etc.) to have the same
name. They are located in different directories based on their contents and
function. So if a .c file is loaded, the c syntax file is loaded from
syntax/c.vim, indentation is loaded from indent/c.vim, filetype is loaded
from ftplugin/c.vim, etc.

It's a vim thing.

Noel

On Thursday 22 October 2009, David J Patrick wrote:

> In poking around themes and schemes and stuff, I see vo_base.vim in
> almost every ~/.vim sub directory. That CAN'T be right!
>
> Is there actually more than one (and I'm using the Bill Powell version)
> and where should it (they) go ?
>
> Noel offered a naming convention change, is vo_base_syntax.vim a better
> name (presuming that's where it goes) ?
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all of your vo_base.vim are belong to.. whom ?

2009-10-22T11:18:14Z

In poking around themes and schemes and stuff, I see vo_base.vim in
almost every ~/.vim sub directory. That CAN'T be right!

Is there actually more than one (and I'm using the Bill Powell version)
and where should it (they) go ?

Noel offered a naming convention change, is vo_base_syntax.vim a better
name (presuming that's where it goes) ?
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Re: unofficial, unauthorized vimoutliner development site is up!

2009-10-20T15:59:53Z

* Scott Scriven <vimoutliner@...> wrote:
> launchpad.net works really well...
> it has decent legal terms too.

I forgot to link to those terms. For reference...

https://help.launchpad.net/Legal/

https://help.launchpad.net/TermsofUse
https://help.launchpad.net/Legal/ProjectLicensing
https://help.launchpad.net/PrivacyPolicy

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Re: unofficial, unauthorized vimoutliner development site is up!

2009-10-20T15:41:08Z

* Noel Henson <noel@...> wrote:

> On Thursday 15 October 2009, Herbert Sitz wrote:
> > Noel -- Just curious, is there some reason VO project isn't
> > up on sourceforge or github?
>
> I was open to SF a long time ago. There was a dispute among the
> original developers about the licensing and liability issues of
> using SF and similar sites. I still am open to anything that
> reduces the issues I've had with PostNuke. I have probably
> already spent 40-50 hours this year just dealing with SPAM and
> rootkits.

I think I've said it before, but launchpad.net works really well.
It has a very nice feature set, and there is no need for anyone
to maintain the server. At least, it's nicer than any other
project infrastructure site I've seen, such as sourceforge or
github. So far, it's the only one I've actually liked. An
overview is available here:

https://launchpad.net/+tour

BTW, it has decent legal terms too.

If anyone is curious but unsure, it has a staging or sandbox
server where you can do whatever you like without consequence.
It gets reset every night, so feel free to experiment.

And if people like the idea, I'll volunteer to set up a project,
migrate code and files, and generally help people figure things
out. But if not, I don't want to fragment VO any more.

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Re: Is hoisting working for everyone?

2009-10-20T13:48:35Z

On Tuesday 20 October 2009, John Porubek wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Noel Henson <noel@...> wrote:
> > Please send along the additional information. I found a few bugs in
> > the script and I'm running a heavily modified Vim. I have just
> > installed a recent (7.2.250), unmodified version.
>
> Noel,
>
> Sorry for the delay in getting my configuration info. back to you. I
> noticed some weirdness in the scripts being loaded (e.g. both my
> modified and the original ftdetect/vo_base.vim were being loaded) and
> wanted to make sure that wasn't the cause of my hoisting problem. It
> wasn't. I'll send a copy of the list of scripts loaded to you
> off-list.
>
> Any progress in stomping the bugs in your script? How did the your
> script work with an unmodified version of Vim?
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
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I should have something for you soon.

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Re: Is hoisting working for everyone?

2009-10-20T13:10:23Z

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Noel Henson <noel@...> wrote:
> Please send along the additional information. I found a few bugs in the
> script and I'm running a heavily modified Vim. I have just installed
> a recent (7.2.250), unmodified version.
>

Noel,

Sorry for the delay in getting my configuration info. back to you. I
noticed some weirdness in the scripts being loaded (e.g. both my
modified and the original ftdetect/vo_base.vim were being loaded) and
wanted to make sure that wasn't the cause of my hoisting problem. It
wasn't. I'll send a copy of the list of scripts loaded to you
off-list.

Any progress in stomping the bugs in your script? How did the your
script work with an unmodified version of Vim?

Thanks for your help,

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Re: mini-survey; how do you use user-defined text ?

2009-10-19T07:27:16Z

Noel Henson wrote:
> For easy handling in vim and for post processing, the way it is implemented
> now is the easiest way. Introducing whitespace between the delimiter and
> the style could muck things up. But, I'm open to just about anything.

OK, I just like the space for legibility and consistency with other
elements, but if it's truly a source of annoyance... then we go with
what works.
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Re: mini-survey; how do you use user-defined text ?

2009-10-19T07:24:55Z

David J Patrick wrote:
> <nothing, or just tabs><left
> angle-bracket><space><something>[colon][something-else][more-than-one-space][#][comment-text]
>

afterthought; in looking at this, and thinking about a longer "tip:", I
realize that a longer "tip:" would want _wrapping_ text, and why not ?

This could work just as well wrapping or non-wrapping, so the
afterthought would be to apply the behavior (if any) to both < and >
>
> as in
>
> Heading
> < tip:Always try to simplify syntax #any whitespace more than a
> single space, before comment
> question:Sometimes, tips and warnings can be long enough to warrant
> wrapping, but this raises questions, like, in this example,
> where the following warning: is not connected, and the
> subsequent style:book bit does _not_ want to wrap, where
< should the angle-brackets point ?
> > warning:Not clearly establishing syntax can result in chaos
> < style:book
> < preamble #it wouldn't HAVE to be a key:value pair
> : while no-one can/should/would be compelled to do anything,
> : if we could agree on one way to do it, then we could align
> : all the post-processors to work with that.
> : I'm pushing this so that we can all enjoy each others future
> : uses of this gem.

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Re: mini-survey; how do you use user-defined text ?

2009-10-19T07:10:19Z

On Monday 19 October 2009, David J Patrick wrote:

> Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Sunday 18 October 2009 15:44:16 David J Patrick wrote:
> >> I'm just hoping to learn more about who uses user-defined text, and
> >> how.
> >>
> >> please to tell me!
> >> djp
> >
> > I haven't yet because I wasn't aware we had it yet. I'll definitely be
> > using it when I write my new book,
>
> Then, as the originator of the feature is not using it yet, can we say
> that it is still open to refinement ? I know that how this might be used
> is specific to the post processor(s), but it would be best if we could
> agree on a standard usage pattern, so all of those post-processors could
> line up on the same target.
>
> I'm leaning strongly towards
>
> <nothing, or just tabs><left
> angle-bracket><space><something>[colon][something-else][more-than-one-sp
>ace][#][comment-text]
>
> as in
>
> Heading
> < tip:Always try to simplify syntax #any whitespace more than a
> single space, before comment
> < warning:Not clearly establishing syntax can result in chaos
> < style:book
> < preamble #it wouldn't HAVE to be a key:value pair
> : while no-one can/should/would be compelled to do anything,
> : if we could agree on one way to do it, then we could align
> : all the post-processors to work with that.
> : I'm pushing this so that we can all enjoy each others future
> : uses of this gem.
>

For easy handling in vim and for post processing, the way it is implemented
now is the easiest way. Introducing whitespace between the delimiter and
the style could muck things up. But, I'm open to just about anything.

> and I think I'll be starting a new book within 2
>
> > months, because "Thriving in Tough Times" is finished and selling
> > well.
>
> That's super-good news, Steve, glad to hear it.
>
> djp

Noel

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Re: mini-survey; how do you use user-defined text ?

2009-10-19T07:08:52Z

Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sunday 18 October 2009 15:44:16 David J Patrick wrote:
>> I'm just hoping to learn more about who uses user-defined text, and how.
>>
>> please to tell me!
>> djp
>
> I haven't yet because I wasn't aware we had it yet. I'll definitely be using it
> when I write my new book,

Then, as the originator of the feature is not using it yet, can we say
that it is still open to refinement ? I know that how this might be used
is specific to the post processor(s), but it would be best if we could
agree on a standard usage pattern, so all of those post-processors could
line up on the same target.

I'm leaning strongly towards

<nothing, or just tabs><left
angle-bracket><space><something>[colon][something-else][more-than-one-space][#][comment-text]

as in

Heading
< tip:Always try to simplify syntax #any whitespace more than a
single space, before comment
< warning:Not clearly establishing syntax can result in chaos
< style:book
< preamble #it wouldn't HAVE to be a key:value pair
: while no-one can/should/would be compelled to do anything,
: if we could agree on one way to do it, then we could align
: all the post-processors to work with that.
: I'm pushing this so that we can all enjoy each others future
: uses of this gem.

and I think I'll be starting a new book within 2
> months, because "Thriving in Tough Times" is finished and selling well.
That's super-good news, Steve, glad to hear it.

djp
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Re: mini-survey; how do you use user-defined text ?

2009-10-19T07:01:16Z

On Sunday 18 October 2009, Steve Litt wrote:

> On Sunday 18 October 2009 21:46:25 Noel Henson wrote:
> > On Sunday 18 October 2009, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Sunday 18 October 2009 15:44:16 David J Patrick wrote:
> > > > I'm just hoping to learn more about who uses user-defined text,
> > > > and how.
> > > >
> > > > please to tell me!
> > > > djp
> > >
> > > What's user defined text?
> > >
> > > STeveT
> >
> > Think back, Steve. You were complaining the VO had no type of
> > differentiating between styles. Your specific mention as I recall was
> > something of the ilk of the "... For Dummies" Books. So I added
> > user-defined blocks so post processors could separate out and
> > specifically format these blocks. Like Tips and Warnings.
> >
> > Noel
>
> Oh That!!! So in other words I can self define my own styles and then
> postprocess them into LyX or whatever? That's ultimately cool. Dillon
> Jones has been advocating that since 2001. I guess I was unaware that we
> now have that capability. I'll have to experiment with it now.
>
> SteveT

You crack me up. That feature has been there for a long, long time. Just
for you. :) But I guess late feedback is better than none! ;)

Noel

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Umenu

2009-10-19T06:39:24Z

Hi Steve

Many thanks for the last two emails about UMENU (Wed 14th Oct, vol65, issue 27
and Thurs 15th Oct, vol65, issue 28).

Following your installation instruction to 'tar xzvf' the 'bin' file, UMENU
installed in the blink of an eye and is much easier to get going. A big
improvement on the previous installation processes and I'm making good use of
the system.

Cheers

G

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9 new schemes and a bad CRT

2009-10-19T04:29:10Z

That's right, 9 new schemes.. well.. mock-ups, really, but I think they
look OK.

http://taskwarrior.org/boards/16/topics/show/235

but last night I went home and looked at them from the little laptop..
and HEY, guess what ? They were designed using a crappy CRT monitor, so
many of the subtler qualities.. aren't. I'm going to find a really good
color reference monitor and tweak them up (again).

hope you like 'em
at least as a starting point.
djp
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Re: mini-survey; how do you use user-defined text ?

2009-10-18T20:44:04Z

On Sunday 18 October 2009 15:44:16 David J Patrick wrote:
> I'm just hoping to learn more about who uses user-defined text, and how.
>
> please to tell me!
> djp

I haven't yet because I wasn't aware we had it yet. I'll definitely be using it
when I write my new book, and I think I'll be starting a new book within 2
months, because "Thriving in Tough Times" is finished and selling well.

STeveT

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Re: mini-survey; how do you use user-defined text ?

2009-10-18T20:42:47Z

On Sunday 18 October 2009 21:46:25 Noel Henson wrote:

> On Sunday 18 October 2009, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Sunday 18 October 2009 15:44:16 David J Patrick wrote:
> > > I'm just hoping to learn more about who uses user-defined text, and
> > > how.
> > >
> > > please to tell me!
> > > djp
> >
> > What's user defined text?
> >
> > STeveT
>
> Think back, Steve. You were complaining the VO had no type of
> differentiating between styles. Your specific mention as I recall was
> something of the ilk of the "... For Dummies" Books. So I added
> user-defined blocks so post processors could separate out and specifically
> format these blocks. Like Tips and Warnings.
>
> Noel

Oh That!!! So in other words I can self define my own styles and then
postprocess them into LyX or whatever? That's ultimately cool. Dillon Jones
has been advocating that since 2001. I guess I was unaware that we now have
that capability. I'll have to experiment with it now.

SteveT

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Re: mini-survey; how do you use user-defined text ?

2009-10-18T18:46:25Z

On Sunday 18 October 2009, Steve Litt wrote:

> On Sunday 18 October 2009 15:44:16 David J Patrick wrote:
> > I'm just hoping to learn more about who uses user-defined text, and
> > how.
> >
> > please to tell me!
> > djp
>
> What's user defined text?
>
> STeveT
>
>

Think back, Steve. You were complaining the VO had no type of
differentiating between styles. Your specific mention as I recall was
something of the ilk of the "... For Dummies" Books. So I added
user-defined blocks so post processors could separate out and specifically
format these blocks. Like Tips and Warnings.

Noel

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Re: mini-survey; how do you use user-defined text ?

2009-10-18T17:50:33Z

Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sunday 18 October 2009 15:44:16 David J Patrick wrote:
>> I'm just hoping to learn more about who uses user-defined text, and how.
>>
>> please to tell me!
>> djp
>
> What's user defined text?

there are two ways to interpret that question...
uhh.. see Noels reply
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Re: mini-survey; how do you use user-defined text ?

2009-10-18T17:48:27Z

On Sunday 18 October 2009 15:44:16 David J Patrick wrote:
> I'm just hoping to learn more about who uses user-defined text, and how.
>
> please to tell me!
> djp

What's user defined text?

STeveT

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Re: mini-survey; how do you use user-defined text ?

2009-10-18T12:57:44Z

On Sunday 18 October 2009, David J Patrick wrote:
> I'm just hoping to learn more about who uses user-defined text, and how.
>
> please to tell me!
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User-defined text is of course similar to regular text but behaves
differently when folded. This was created to address some of Steve Litt's
issues with book writing.

For example:

How to quickly cool a beer
: One can quickly cool a beer in a number of ways blah blah
: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>TIP Never allow the beer to freeze. This can be very problematic
>TIP when trying to open the beer blah blah blah

A post processor can now recognize the difference between the regular text
and the TIP text. They can be separated and formatted independently. Also,
the >TIP block and another blocks will fold independently of one another.
You can support several types of user-defined text limited only by your
imagination. Some examples for book writing might be:

>TIP
>WARNING
>REFERENCE
>FOOTNOTE
>INDEX

Noel

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