Voice pop-remover Plugin for Linux

[Viktor Mastoridis]

Hi again,

Is there a voice pop-remover for Linux plugin? Or VST that could be used in Linux?

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[Jörn Nettingsmeier-6]

On 10/27/2009 09:20 PM, Viktor Mastoridis wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Is there a voice pop-remover for Linux plugin? Or VST that could be used
> in Linux?

the one i use is cross-platform. it's called
UltimateWireFrameGizmoWithAPairOfNylonsStrungOverIt, and comes at a very
good price.
it works in realtime, uses no cycles, and is latency-free.
unfortunately, it's not suitable for offline processing.

if there are just a few pops, try a higher-order highpass filter and
automate the cutoff frequency (i.e. keep it out of the normal voice
range by default and only move it up during pops).


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[Joe Hartley]

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:31:26 +0100
Jörn Nettingsmeier <nettings@...> wrote:
> the one i use is cross-platform. it's called
> UltimateWireFrameGizmoWithAPairOfNylonsStrungOverIt, and comes at a very
> good price.

I have one of those - it works really well!

I don't charge people to record in my studio, but ask that if there's
something I'm missing that they'd like to have, that they buy it for me.

One friend of mine was so weirded out singing through my homemade
UltimateWireFrameGizmoWithAPairOfNylonsStrungOverIt (even though the
nylons had been washed) that he bought a couple of the "real" pop
filters. They sound just the same to me!

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[Eric Dantan Rzewnicki-2]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:31:26PM +0100, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> On 10/27/2009 09:20 PM, Viktor Mastoridis wrote:
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Is there a voice pop-remover for Linux plugin? Or VST that could be used
> > in Linux?
>
> the one i use is cross-platform. it's called
> UltimateWireFrameGizmoWithAPairOfNylonsStrungOverIt, and comes at a very

You should really try the free trial upgrade to
UltimateWireFrameGizmoWithAPairOfNylonsStrungOverItProLive! (beta)

It does wonders your ears will never believe.

> good price.
> it works in realtime, uses no cycles, and is latency-free.
> unfortunately, it's not suitable for offline processing.
>
> if there are just a few pops, try a higher-order highpass filter and
> automate the cutoff frequency (i.e. keep it out of the normal voice
> range by default and only move it up during pops).

-Eric Rz.
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[Viktor Mastoridis]

I am really sorry if I asked something that I shouldn't have. I thought this list is for asking questions, getting help and not being laughed at, as 'there is no stupid question' in Linux, as somebody said the other day. But mocking someone just because one asked the 'wrong' question doesn't seem to me to be in the positive and helping spirit of Linux.

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[Fons Adriaensen-2]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:31:26PM +0100, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:

> On 10/27/2009 09:20 PM, Viktor Mastoridis wrote:
>
> > Is there a voice pop-remover for Linux plugin? Or VST that could be used
> > in Linux?
>
> the one i use is cross-platform. it's called
> UltimateWireFrameGizmoWithAPairOfNylonsStrungOverIt, and comes at a very
> good price.
> it works in realtime, uses no cycles, and is latency-free.
> unfortunately, it's not suitable for offline processing.

But apart from having a singer who knows how to perform in
front of a mic, or using a mic designed to handle singers
who don't have that capacity, it is the only solution.
If pops are a problem that means they have overloaded the
mic, the preamp, the AD converter or any combination of
these, and there's no way to remove them using just signal
processing.

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[Fons Adriaensen-2]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 04:37:37PM -0400, Joe Hartley wrote:

> One friend of mine was so weirded out singing through my homemade
> UltimateWireFrameGizmoWithAPairOfNylonsStrungOverIt (even though the
> nylons had been washed) that he bought a couple of the "real" pop
> filters. They sound just the same to me!

For best results the nylons have to be 'used', and
preferably donated by a visiting female musician in
order to save the session. Washing them is optional,
but may be required by local health and safety
regulations.

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[Eric Dantan Rzewnicki-2]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 08:45:17PM +0000, Viktor Mastoridis wrote:
> I am really sorry if I asked something that I shouldn't have. I thought this
> list is for asking questions, getting help and not being laughed at, as 'there
> is no stupid question' in Linux, as somebody said the other day. But mocking
> someone just because one asked the 'wrong' question doesn't seem to me to be in
> the positive and helping spirit of Linux.

No, sorry. It's not necessarily a stupid question. We were just having
some fun. Sorry to not have a more constructive answer. But, hopefully
someone else will. Stay tuned, and again, sorry. No offense was meant.
(at least on my part, can't speak for Jörn. ;)

-Eric Rz.
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[Daniel Joshua Worth]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Viktor Mastoridis <viktor@...> wrote:

I am really sorry if I asked something that I shouldn't have. I thought this list is for asking questions, getting help and not being laughed at, as 'there is no stupid question' in Linux, as somebody said the other day. But mocking someone just because one asked the 'wrong' question doesn't seem to me to be in the positive and helping spirit of Linux.

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No one meant to offend or make fun. There is a sense of humor in linux as well. It is a common question in Linux audio "Is there a plugin that fixes this" and the answer is always the same. If you are working on fixing problems that are beyond your control ie. prerecorded material that can never be recorded again then your best bet is some creativity with a eq filter. The point they where trying to make is that, as in most audio problems, fixing it before it hits the recording is always best. All corrective actions have a negative impact on the final result.

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[Jörn Nettingsmeier-6]

On 10/27/2009 09:45 PM, Viktor Mastoridis wrote:
> I am really sorry if I asked something that I shouldn't have. I thought
> this list is for asking questions, getting help and not being laughed
> at, as 'there is no stupid question' in Linux, as somebody said the
> other day. But mocking someone just because one asked the 'wrong'
> question doesn't seem to me to be in the positive and helping spirit of
> Linux.

hey, don't get your pants in a knot. the nylons do work as a mechanical
pop-filter (i can send you a photo of mine), but obviously only *during*
recording. that was the joke part. no offense intended.

i don't know of a decent automated pop remover plugin. load your file
into ardour and find a good, steep highpass filter, then automate the
cutoff frequency to move up during pops.

you can also try something with a compressor fed with a side-chain
signal with boosted bass range (like a naive de-esser turned de-popper),
but that is very likely not optimal.

best,

jörn

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[Arnold Krille-3]

On Tuesday 27 October 2009 21:53:33 fons@... wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 04:37:37PM -0400, Joe Hartley wrote:
> > One friend of mine was so weirded out singing through my homemade
> > UltimateWireFrameGizmoWithAPairOfNylonsStrungOverIt (even though the
> > nylons had been washed) that he bought a couple of the "real" pop
> > filters. They sound just the same to me!
> For best results the nylons have to be 'used', and
> preferably donated by a visiting female musician in
> order to save the session. Washing them is optional,
> but may be required by local health and safety
> regulations.

Do I really want to know the kind of women you record when these nylons need
washing for "health and safety reasons"?


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[Fons Adriaensen-2]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 08:45:17PM +0000, Viktor Mastoridis wrote:

> I am really sorry if I asked something that I shouldn't have. I thought this
> list is for asking questions, getting help and not being laughed at, as
> 'there is no stupid question' in Linux, as somebody said the other day. But
> mocking someone just because one asked the 'wrong' question doesn't seem to
> me to be in the positive and helping spirit of Linux.

You should just ask whatever you need to know, and I'm
pretty sure that no-one had the intention to offend or
laugh at you.
The simple fact is that just as you can't cure all
medical problems by taking a pill, you can't solve
all recording problems by dropping in a plugin.
Of course in the commercial world there as some people
who'd sell you whatever you think you need, even if it
doesn't work. Since in Linux audio we don't sell but
just give away the things we believe in, we can be a bit
more direct in our responses.

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[Jörn Nettingsmeier-6]

On 10/27/2009 10:02 PM, Arnold Krille wrote:

> On Tuesday 27 October 2009 21:53:33 fons@... wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 04:37:37PM -0400, Joe Hartley wrote:
>>> One friend of mine was so weirded out singing through my homemade
>>> UltimateWireFrameGizmoWithAPairOfNylonsStrungOverIt (even though the
>>> nylons had been washed) that he bought a couple of the "real" pop
>>> filters. They sound just the same to me!
>> For best results the nylons have to be 'used', and
>> preferably donated by a visiting female musician in
>> order to save the session. Washing them is optional,
>> but may be required by local health and safety
>> regulations.
>
> Do I really want to know the kind of women you record when these nylons need
> washing for "health and safety reasons"?

no. but you might want to know about the sometimes ridiculous extent of
health and safety regulations in some countries (our home one included)...
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Viktor Mastoridis schrieb:
> I am really sorry if I asked something that I shouldn't have. I thought this
> list is for asking questions,

Oh come on Viktor - do not take this as an affront. Neither Eric nor
anyone else is trying to make you a laughing stock. It was just a
harmless little joke about a problem discussed amongst recording-people
ever since a microphone was build that was capable of recording pop-noise.

And in the end I am with Erics side: the best way to cope with pops is
to avoid them in the first place. But of course: everyone had a vocal
track in his/her life, that could not be rerecorded and was both great
and full of peaks made by pop noise.
Trouble is: it is quite easy to design a plug-in, that can eliminate
such evil but only as long as the quality of the remains is not
essential. To both eliminate the pops effectively and preserve the
natural beauty of the singers performance is complicated and I came to
believe, that this cannot be done by software acting automatically by
formal mathematical rules.

I use to repair such tracks using the fader-automation step by step
syllable by syllable - once upon the time it took me about 2h to make a
track of a femal country-singer with little experience with
studio-microphones mixable - in an Allison Krauss Coversong playing 2.5
min... But the result was painting a smile on the face of everyone
involved ;-) And exploring the wav-graphs of a track in deep,fine-tuning
every fraction of a second is some kind of meditation too ;-)

So to answer you question: I too recommend to use a simple mechanical
pop killer on the microphone and to repair already polluted tracks by
hand using the fader-automation....

best regs
HZN
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[david-602]

Viktor Mastoridis wrote:
> I am really sorry if I asked something that I shouldn't have. I thought
> this list is for asking questions, getting help and not being laughed
> at, as 'there is no stupid question' in Linux, as somebody said the
> other day. But mocking someone just because one asked the 'wrong'
> question doesn't seem to me to be in the positive and helping spirit of
> Linux.

Viktor, I don't think anyone is mocking you. They're just being funny
and left off the smiley emoticons. ;-)

I saw the one with the suggestion about using a filter in your audio
software. I've never recorded voice, so I don't know what tools might be
available to deal with such vocal pops.

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[lorenzosu]

Hi,
> I saw the one with the suggestion about using a filter in your audio
> software. I've never recorded voice, so I don't know what tools might be
> available to deal with such vocal pops.
>
>  
This is untested on voice 'pops', but another suggestion (which also
much depends on material and extent type of 'pops') is to experiment
some de-clicking and de-pop (like in old records) software... I think
Audacity has a click remove thing. Also there is a software called
gramophile (http://www.opensourcepartners.nl/~costar/gramofile/) which
might be worth mentioning.

Kind regards,
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[Viktor Mastoridis]

Well, yesterday I was doing some mixing for a singer, and the little pops that seemed harmless, when added compressor and reverb seemed like explosions. She was not here, I couldn't re-record it and it needed to be ready by 10pm last night. I have already spent more than an hour to try and play the pops with limiters/compressors, but they made it worst. I spend a lot of time searching for any possible plugins - I discovered that I could buy Cool Edit Pro for 2000$ and then buy the Pop-Remover plugin for it for further 1700$.... This is when I thought about this list.

So yes, I didn't get the joke.
It's my fault, though, as I shouldn't post questions and excpect 'proper' answer while actively working on a project - it adds to the stress, rather then takes it away.
So yes, I couldn't believe my eyes - I am stressed out, and suddenly half the comunitty is mocking?
Well, this was an unusual discovery of Linux's sense of humor ;-]

I ended up working the volume automation, sample by sample, which reduced the pop-amounts to a bearable level.

Thanks for all your replies, serious and humorous.

Viktor


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[Arnold Krille-3]

Hi,

On Wednesday 28 October 2009 09:59:03 Viktor Mastoridis wrote:
> So yes, I didn't get the joke.
> It's my fault, though, as I shouldn't post questions and excpect 'proper'
> answer while actively working on a project - it adds to the stress, rather
> then takes it away.
> So yes, I couldn't believe my eyes - I am stressed out, and suddenly half
> the comunitty is mocking?
> Well, this was an unusual discovery of Linux's sense of humor ;-]

Asking a voluntary list when professional (and fast) answers are needed, is
not a good thing. There is a lot of knowledge on this list and you will get
good answers. But this list is also completely voluntary, no one gets paid for
answering (and certainly not for answering in a defined time-frame). And
volunteers tend to have some fun during their "free" time...

You might have gotten more "serious" answers first if you had mentioned that
you have this problem "now" and need to finish the project in a fixed amount of
time.

Have fun,

Arnold


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[Jörn Nettingsmeier-6]

Viktor Mastoridis wrote:

> I ended up working the volume automation, sample by sample, which
> reduced the pop-amounts to a bearable level.

it's a pain to do that, but it probably means you got a better result
than with a $1k7 plugin in a $2k editor :)

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[Scott-261]

Viktor Mastoridis wrote:
> Well, yesterday I was doing some mixing for a singer, and the little
> pops that seemed harmless, when added compressor and reverb seemed
> like explosions. She was not here, I couldn't re-record it and it
> needed to be ready by 10pm last night. I have already spent more than
> an hour to try and play the pops with limiters/compressors, but they
> made it worst. I spend a lot of time searching for any possible
> plugins - I discovered that I could buy Cool Edit Pro for 2000$ and
> then buy the Pop-Remover plugin for it for further 1700$.... This is
> when I thought about this list.

Cool Edit Pro is an awesome piece of software.  I used to use it years
ago when it first came out.  I even kept a Win98 machine handy just to
run it until recently.  However, I don't think their click/pop remover
is any better than what you'll be able to achieve with Audacity, a keen
ear, a quick finger on the pause button, and some clever editing.  Good
luck!

-Scott
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