Vote about which codeline should use the name "eGroupWare" (Second Call)

[mipmip]

Dear Projectmembers,
We, the eGroupWare admins, still think the most democratic way to  
settle the current situation is to vote on it.

Beside all of the reasons we have stated so far, the current  
discussion on the lists has not resulted in an acceptable resolution.  
But, it has instead added one more reason to continue with the vote:

If we follow the path to merge the Tine sources into the eGroupWare  
svn, we ultimately will have to give every Tine developer access to  
it.  This means they become eGroupWare members and that the proposed  
vote by Tine (which codeline should become the next release, planned  
for the first quarter of 2008) can be simply won by requesting svn  
access for enough Metaways employees.

We feel the current project members should decide this, and we are  
certainly willing to accept the outcome.  In fact, everyone will have  
to deal with and accept the outcome, whatever that may be.

We understand that many of you are very reluctant to vote on this  
matter.  But, in our understanding it has to be done, and it has to be  
done now.

We want to add that what we said about the relationship between the  
two projects/efforts is of course still valid after the vote.

Having said the above, our call to vote from the 12th December still  
stands:

Your eGroupWare admins

Ralf Becker, Pim Snel, Miles Lott

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[Carsten Wolff]

Dear Admins,

On Monday 17 December 2007, Pim Snel wrote:
> Dear Projectmembers,
> We, the eGroupWare admins, still think the most democratic way to
> settle the current situation is to vote on it.

I, an eGroupWare developer, still can not vote for anyting on that ballot.
Certainly, there is an option missing:

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3) Let things stay as they are, let Lars commit their conceptual code to a
branch in eGWs SVN, for he is a full eGW member and, as maintainer of that
branch, let him be mentor for contributors to that branch, if he likes.
----------------------------------

I think this is MUCH more in line with the spirit of eGWs Constitution, at
least as I understood it, when I voted for it.

Don't get me wrong, as long as Tine20 is not a fully working groupware with
most of eGWs features and an upgrade-path as well as all the different
interfaces for fat-clients and mobile devices, I'm not convinced it should
replace trunk. But, if and when the branch matures, there's still time to
have an admin decision about that replacement and procede according to the
eGW Constitution, then.

Carsten

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[ralfbecker]

Hi Carsten,

Carsten Wolff schrieb:

> Dear Admins,
>
> On Monday 17 December 2007, Pim Snel wrote:
>> Dear Projectmembers,
>> We, the eGroupWare admins, still think the most democratic way to
>> settle the current situation is to vote on it.
>
> I, an eGroupWare developer, still can not vote for anyting on that ballot.
> Certainly, there is an option missing:
>
> ----------------------------------
> 3) Let things stay as they are, let Lars commit their conceptual code to a
> branch in eGWs SVN, for he is a full eGW member and, as maintainer of that
> branch, let him be mentor for contributors to that branch, if he likes.
> ----------------------------------

That's what we had in mind, when we wrote the "eGroupWare Tine
relationship" statement, unfortunately it would rejected by Tine :-(

> I think this is MUCH more in line with the spirit of eGWs Constitution, at
> least as I understood it, when I voted for it.
>
> Don't get me wrong, as long as Tine20 is not a fully working groupware with
> most of eGWs features and an upgrade-path as well as all the different
> interfaces for fat-clients and mobile devices, I'm not convinced it should
> replace trunk. But, if and when the branch matures, there's still time to
> have an admin decision about that replacement and procede according to the
> eGW Constitution, then.

As written before, we fear there's no real vote, once we agree to make
all Tine developers project members of the eGroupWare project.

If you think, Lars and Conny should continue as they do currently, you
can only vote NO and maybe hope ...

Ralf
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[Lars Kneschke-2]

"Pim Snel" schrieb:
> If we follow the path to merge the Tine sources into the eGroupWare  
> svn, we ultimately will have to give every Tine developer access to  
> it.  This means they become eGroupWare members and that the proposed  
> vote by Tine (which codeline should become the next release, planned  
> for the first quarter of 2008) can be simply won by requesting svn  
> access for enough Metaways employees.

Hello admins!

I don't want to comment on this topic anymore.

But maybe it would have been possible to give someone access to a special
branch in the svn, without making him a full project member. Maybe...
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[Lars Kneschke-2]

"Carsten Wolff" <carsten.wolff@...> schrieb:
Hello Carsten!

> ----------------------------------
> 3) Let things stay as they are, let Lars commit their conceptual code to a

> branch in eGWs SVN, for he is a full eGW member and, as maintainer of that

> branch, let him be mentor for contributors to that branch, if he likes.
> ----------------------------------
Yes. It could be so easy to solve this problem.

> I think this is MUCH more in line with the spirit of eGWs Constitution, at

> least as I understood it, when I voted for it.
That's how I see it too.

> Don't get me wrong, as long as Tine20 is not a fully working groupware
with
> most of eGWs features and an upgrade-path as well as all the different
> interfaces for fat-clients and mobile devices, I'm not convinced it should

> replace trunk.
Neither me. I absolutely agree with you.

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CTO OfficeSpot.Net
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eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net
OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net
our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org

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Tel: [phone]
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