WANTED: Older IDE/ATA/PATA 500gb drives

[stephen price]

Anybody have any old 3.5" 500gb drives they want to give_away - sell - trade - barter ?

I'm looking to build a RAID 5 7+1 for mostly offline storage.

Contact me off list please....

steve price
ft worth tx
sd_price at yahoo dot com
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[Phil Stracchino-3]

stephen price wrote:
> Anybody have any old 3.5" 500gb drives they want to give_away - sell - trade - barter ?

Color me amused that 500GB drives are considered "old"  :)

(I wouldn't mind a stack of "less old than my 300GB disks" 500GB SATA
disks for my own server.)


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[stephen price]

> Color me amused that 500GB drives are considered "old"  :)

It's funny I know !!
I can't even buy them locally anymore.
I've been looking at the local swap meet - craigslist etc - they seem to have
vanished.

{Fry's} is running sata 500gb for $59 locally today - I'd given thought of
slapping a sata-to-ide converter on a few - but even then 8 x 60 is outsid e
the cost constraints of the project I want to do.

regards
steve
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[Bill Bradford]

On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 01:00:45PM -0700, stephen price wrote:
> It's funny I know !!
> I can't even buy them locally anymore.
> I've been looking at the local swap meet - craigslist etc - they seem to have
> vanished.

I'm having a hard enough time finding a couple 80g ones.

Bill

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[Lionel Peterson-2]

Try seller Txcess on eBay - they seem to have an in to Dell's surplus.  
They offer 40 and 80 Gig IDE drive (NOS) for very reasnable prices  
($20ish)...

We thought about buying some for our aging/dying Optiplex GX270s at  
$WORK, but the actual process to buy from them was too great - we are  
a school district, and have strict requirements on where we can buy...

I just bought some Dell KVM SIPs from them for home use...

Lionel

On Oct 10, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Bill Bradford <mrbill@...> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 01:00:45PM -0700, stephen price wrote:
>> It's funny I know !!
>> I can't even buy them locally anymore.
>> I've been looking at the local swap meet - craigslist etc - they  
>> seem to have
>> vanished.
>
> I'm having a hard enough time finding a couple 80g ones.
>
> Bill
>
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[Lionel Peterson-2]

On Oct 9, 2009, at 4:00 PM, stephen price <sd_price@...> wrote:

>> Color me amused that 500GB drives are considered "old"  :)
>
> It's funny I know !!
> I can't even buy them locally anymore.
> I've been looking at the local swap meet - craigslist etc - they  
> seem to have
> vanished.
>
> {Fry's} is running sata 500gb for $59 locally today - I'd given  
> thought of
> slapping a sata-to-ide converter on a few - but even then 8 x 60 is  
> outsid e
> the cost constraints of the project I want to do.

Microcenter.com has 400 Gig IDE drives for $59 in this month's flier...

Lionel
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[Lionel Peterson-2]

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Lionel Peterson <lionel4287@...>
wrote:

> On Oct 9, 2009, at 4:00 PM, stephen price <sd_price@...> wrote:
>
>>> Color me amused that 500GB drives are considered "old"  :)
>>
>> It's funny I know !!
>> I can't even buy them locally anymore.
>> I've been looking at the local swap meet - craigslist etc - they seem to
>> have
>> vanished.
>>
>> {Fry's} is running sata 500gb for $59 locally today - I'd given thought of
>> slapping a sata-to-ide converter on a few - but even then 8 x 60 is outsid
>> e
>> the cost constraints of the project I want to do.
>
> Microcenter.com has 400 Gig IDE drives for $59 in this month's flier...

Following up on my previous note, the eBay seller I mentione was wrong
- it is "txcesssurplus"

80 Gig IDE drives (tested system pulls) are $20

40 Gig IDE (tested system pulls) are about $12.99

These should be fine if you are trying to squeeze another year or so
out of older hardware, obvious caveats for more aggressive uses...

Here's a short link to their HD listing: http://bit.ly/2a5fa2

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[Lionel Peterson-2]

Here are three IDE drive examples, all 7,200 RPM, 8 Meg cache and
ATA/100 interface:

Brand-new 500 Gig WD IDE Drives for $64.99:

http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0258510

Brand-new Seagate 400 Gig IDE Drives for $52.99:

http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0307722

Brand-new (generic) 160 Gig IDE Drives for $39.99:

http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0307102

Personally, I have a hard time buying any SATA drives smaller than 1TB
for home use, since prices are now in the sub-$75 range for "green"
drives:

http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0306106

and for a WD "Black" drive it is a penny under $100:

http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0311639

Of course, needs vary.

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[Peter Corlett]

On 9 Oct 2009, at 21:00, stephen price wrote:
[...]
> {Fry's} is running sata 500gb for $59 locally today - I'd given
> thought of
> slapping a sata-to-ide converter on a few - but even then 8 x 60 is
> outsid e
> the cost constraints of the project I want to do.

Hah, I'd love to find them that cheap retail.

Both Queensway Computer Markets and the Tottenham Court Road shops
seem to think it's still 2006 when it comes to hard disk pricing. I
was quoted #55 (about $80) for a bog standard 80GB 3.5" SATA disk in
one place. You could probably hear me laughing in their face from the
other side of the Atlantic.
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[Lionel Peterson-2]

On Oct 12, 2009, at 7:15 AM, Peter Corlett <abuse@...> wrote:

> On 9 Oct 2009, at 21:00, stephen price wrote:
> [...]
>> {Fry's} is running sata 500gb for $59 locally today - I'd given
>> thought of
>> slapping a sata-to-ide converter on a few - but even then 8 x 60 is
>> outsid e
>> the cost constraints of the project I want to do.
>
> Hah, I'd love to find them that cheap retail.
>
> Both Queensway Computer Markets and the Tottenham Court Road shops
> seem to think it's still 2006 when it comes to hard disk pricing. I
> was quoted #55 (about $80) for a bog standard 80GB 3.5" SATA disk in
> one place. You could probably hear me laughing in their face from the
> other side of the Atlantic.

There is great compression in HD prices here in US as well.

At $work we needed about a dozen SATA drives for desktops. A 40 gig  
drive is not an option, 80 gig is about $60-70, and 1TB drives are $100.

We decided to order 16 1TB drives to upgrade a backip storage box and  
re-use 300 Gig HDs that are being replaced in desktops. Complete  
overkill, but a very cost-effective way to solve two problems at once.

Lionel
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[John Ruschmeyer]

On 10/12/09 8:07 AM, "Lionel Peterson" <lionel4287@...> wrote:

> On Oct 12, 2009, at 7:15 AM, Peter Corlett <abuse@...> wrote:
>> On 9 Oct 2009, at 21:00, stephen price wrote:
>>
>> Both Queensway Computer Markets and the Tottenham Court Road shops
>> seem to think it's still 2006 when it comes to hard disk pricing. I
>> was quoted #55 (about $80) for a bog standard 80GB 3.5" SATA disk in
>> one place. You could probably hear me laughing in their face from the
>> other side of the Atlantic.
>
> There is great compression in HD prices here in US as well.
>
> At $work we needed about a dozen SATA drives for desktops. A 40 gig
> drive is not an option, 80 gig is about $60-70, and 1TB drives are $100.
>
> We decided to order 16 1TB drives to upgrade a backip storage box and
> re-use 300 Gig HDs that are being replaced in desktops. Complete
> overkill, but a very cost-effective way to solve two problems at once.

I think it's got something to do with not turning inventory over fast enough
vs. not taking a loss.

Some friends and I have a favorite story... Many years ago, back when 340MB
was the new drive size, some friends and I went to a local computer show
with the idea of buying a drive. We walked up to this one vendor who had
every size possible from 80MB to 340MB. We asked him for the price of the
340; "$200," he replied. We then asked about the prices of the other drives.
It turned out that the range of pricing from 80MB to 340MB was $15.00.

A few years later, I saw the same thing with between 10 and 20GB drives. I
could just imagine the mental debate: "Do I get the 20GB or just get the
10GB and still have enough for a BigMac?"

USB memory sticks seem to be the worst in this regard. At my local Target
(discount department store), I can get a 1GB stick as an impulse by for
$8.99. If I want to walk back to the Electronics department, I can get the
4GB version of the same stick for $9.99.

John
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[Lionel Peterson-2]

On Oct 12, 2009, at 8:25 AM, John Ruschmeyer <jruschme@...> wrote:

> On 10/12/09 8:07 AM, "Lionel Peterson" <lionel4287@...> wrote:
>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 7:15 AM, Peter Corlett <abuse@...>  
>> wrote:
>>> On 9 Oct 2009, at 21:00, stephen price wrote:
>>>
>>> Both Queensway Computer Markets and the Tottenham Court Road shops
>>> seem to think it's still 2006 when it comes to hard disk pricing. I
>>> was quoted #55 (about $80) for a bog standard 80GB 3.5" SATA disk in
>>> one place. You could probably hear me laughing in their face from  
>>> the
>>> other side of the Atlantic.
>>
>> There is great compression in HD prices here in US as well.
>>
>> At $work we needed about a dozen SATA drives for desktops. A 40 gig
>> drive is not an option, 80 gig is about $60-70, and 1TB drives are  
>> $100.
>>
>> We decided to order 16 1TB drives to upgrade a backip storage box and
>> re-use 300 Gig HDs that are being replaced in desktops. Complete
>> overkill, but a very cost-effective way to solve two problems at  
>> once.
>
> I think it's got something to do with not turning inventory over  
> fast enough
> vs. not taking a loss.
>
> Some friends and I have a favorite story... Many years ago, back  
> when 340MB
> was the new drive size, some friends and I went to a local computer  
> show
> with the idea of buying a drive. We walked up to this one vendor who  
> had
> every size possible from 80MB to 340MB. We asked him for the price  
> of the
> 340; "$200," he replied. We then asked about the prices of the other  
> drives.
> It turned out that the range of pricing from 80MB to 340MB was $15.00.

The money is in the motor/electronics, not the media.

> A few years later, I saw the same thing with between 10 and 20GB  
> drives. I
> could just imagine the mental debate: "Do I get the 20GB or just get  
> the
> 10GB and still have enough for a BigMac?"

I recently went out to get two small SATA drive, just for OS installs,  
and a 160 Gig drive was $55, a 1 TB drive was about $30 more on sale.  
I went for the Terabyte...

> USB memory sticks seem to be the worst in this regard. At my local  
> Target
> (discount department store), I can get a 1GB stick as an impulse by  
> for
> $8.99. If I want to walk back to the Electronics department, I can  
> get the
> 4GB version of the same stick for $9.99.

At microcenter.com they are between $3.50-2.50/ Gig, with larger  
drives on the low end of that range (2 gig is $7, 32 gig is $70)

The price difference at Target you describe has to do with more than  
simple pricing-as you said, they are soaking the impulse buyer, one  
that forgot the wanted one until they got to the checkout line.

Lionel
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[gsm-2]

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 08:43:56AM -0400, Lionel Peterson wrote:
> The money is in the motor/electronics, not the media.

That changes. Once a newer better faster mechanism comes out, there is no
real need to keep making the older ones. So they sell off what they have
and don't continue to make the smaller/slower drives.

> I recently went out to get two small SATA drive, just for OS installs,  
> and a 160 Gig drive was $55, a 1 TB drive was about $30 more on sale. I
> went for the Terabyte...

Actually the 160gig drive may be a 500gig drive limited in some way. It could
be that something did not past a test at the higher density, but that's unlikely
because most drives are not tested anyway.

The 160gig drives exist because people buy them based on price, not cost
per gig. If you are trying to sell a $200 computer, $5 matters.

Here you see them as package deals with an ATOM dual core, 1g RAM, 160G hard
drive, no optical drive and a motherboard with 1 PCI but no PCI/E slots. They
have a fairly decent video chipset for a 19" LCD monitor, and are sold for
$375 (including VAT) for the computer, monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers.

A dual layer DVD burner is an "up sale" of about $30, but a lot of people
don't buy them. For a kid with a family internet connection, who uses USB
memory sticks to move things back and forth, it's a decent computer.


> The price difference at Target you describe has to do with more than  
> simple pricing-as you said, they are soaking the impulse buyer, one that
> forgot the wanted one until they got to the checkout line.

Here they are more evenly priced, but I've never looked at the ones at the
supermarket. No only are they used instead of optical disks for moving files,
all the DVD players take them and even the $20 ones play "DIVX" files off of
them.

The digital TV tuners ($75 up) include a PVR function to the same sticks and
play a lot more formats than the DVD players.

Geoff.

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[Sheldon T. Hall-2]

Quoth Peter Corlett ...

> On 9 Oct 2009, at 21:00, stephen price wrote:
> [...]
> > {Fry's} is running sata 500gb for $59 locally today - I'd given
> > thought of slapping a sata-to-ide converter on a few - but
> even then 8
> > x 60 is outsid e the cost constraints of the project I want to do.
>
> Hah, I'd love to find them that cheap retail.
>
> Both Queensway Computer Markets and the Tottenham Court Road
> shops seem to think it's still 2006 when it comes to hard
> disk pricing. I was quoted #55 (about $80) for a bog standard
> 80GB 3.5" SATA disk in one place. You could probably hear me
> laughing in their face from the other side of the Atlantic.

It's worse here in France.

Former landlord's laptop's HD died.  His village has no computer shop of any
kind, so I picked up a drive in a shop in a near-by large city ... 160 GB
Samsung, 70 Euro.  That's about USD105 or summat, innit?  I bought two of
the buggers for about USD60 each just before we left what my friend calls
"the Big PX," i.e. the USA.

In general, computer stuff here costs 150-200% what it costs in the USA,
except for CD-R/DVD-R type recordable media.  That's about 500%.

-Shel
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