Wanted: Old Sun Hardware

[mpickering]

Hey all,

Does anyone on the list have any of the following available for trade/purchase/swap?

- SBus Turbo ZX 24-bit framebuffer for SS10/20
- SS20 VSIMM modules
- Any MBus CPU modules, any speed, cache or no cache.  Just looking for additional modules.  I have mainly SM51 and SM40.  Especially SM71 and dual processor SM52 configurations.
- Memory DIMMs for SS5/20 or SS10.  Also older SIMMs for IPC/IPX/LX, etc.
- SS5/20 CD-ROM drives
- SS5/10/20 bits or chassis in need of a home such as drives, sleds, PSUs, whole machines gathering dust, etc.
- SCSI SCA drives, any capacity.

I'm trying to get good old-school representative machines of my favorite SPARCstations up and running and I'd really like to do some maximum configurations.  Just looking to play and keep these old machines alive.

Contact me on or off list with items, prices, costs.  Thanks everyone!
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[gsm-2]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:28:44PM -0400, mpickering@... wrote:

>- SS5/20 CD-ROM drives

Bear in mind that an external drive that accepts the SCSI-2 command set
(regardless of the interface) will boot any SUN that has the
"boot cdrom" command in its ROM.

Of all the computers you listed only the IPC does not have it.

Drives include all toshiba from the 3201b on up, Sony (including the Apple
branded CD-300, but not the Matsushita made 300+), and many others, but not
NEC.

Geoff.
 
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[James Birdsall]

mpickering@... wrote:
> Does anyone on the list have any of the following available for trade/purchase/swap?
>
> [list snipped]

Man, I feel old now. I remember when all of this stuff came out and I
still have it mentally marked as "moderately recent". When I hear "old
Sun hardware" I think of VME Sparcs at the latest, and even that is iffy
because it's Sparc. "Old Sun hardware" is more properly Sun-3 stuff, and
then there's "OLD Sun hardware", which would be the Sun-2 line, which
was already obsolete and gone when I first met Sun hardware in the late
Eighties.

--James B.
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[Phil Stracchino-3]

James Birdsall wrote:

> mpickering@... wrote:
>> Does anyone on the list have any of the following available for trade/purchase/swap?
>>
>> [list snipped]
>
> Man, I feel old now. I remember when all of this stuff came out and I
> still have it mentally marked as "moderately recent". When I hear "old
> Sun hardware" I think of VME Sparcs at the latest, and even that is iffy
> because it's Sparc. "Old Sun hardware" is more properly Sun-3 stuff, and
> then there's "OLD Sun hardware", which would be the Sun-2 line, which
> was already obsolete and gone when I first met Sun hardware in the late
> Eighties.

When I were a lad, t'foreman stamped the Sun logo on our hands with a
hammer and handed us an abacus!  And we were grateful for it!  ;)

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[Matt P-4]

yeah, I saw MBus and the picture that spang to mind was the Sun 2
series Multibus cards... still have a box of them around here..

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:11 PM, James Birdsall <jwb-tech@...> wrote:

> mpickering@... wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone on the list have any of the following available for
>> trade/purchase/swap?
>>
>> [list snipped]
>
> Man, I feel old now. I remember when all of this stuff came out and I still
> have it mentally marked as "moderately recent". When I hear "old Sun
> hardware" I think of VME Sparcs at the latest, and even that is iffy because
> it's Sparc. "Old Sun hardware" is more properly Sun-3 stuff, and then
> there's "OLD Sun hardware", which would be the Sun-2 line, which was already
> obsolete and gone when I first met Sun hardware in the late Eighties.
>
> --James B.
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[Richard-45]

I thought when it came to Sun hardware "old" was an adjective reserved
for 680x0 Suns.
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[Pete-37]

The SPARCstation 1 started selling April, 1989. Its over 20 years old
now. Does it need to be tube based to be 'old' ?

Richard wrote:
> I thought when it came to Sun hardware "old" was an adjective reserved
> for 680x0 Suns.
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[Lionel Peterson-2]

I think 'Old' has gone through several definitions - first anything  
680x0-based, then anything Sun4(all flavors) or earlier, then anytimg  
that wouldn't run 64-bit Solaris. Soon (I fear) it will mean anything  
not x64-based.

Lionel

On Oct 14, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Richard <legalize@...> wrote:

> I thought when it came to Sun hardware "old" was an adjective reserved
> for 680x0 Suns.
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[Patrick Finnegan]

On Wednesday 14 October 2009, Richard wrote:
> I thought when it came to Sun hardware "old" was an adjective
>  reserved for 680x0 Suns.

By the 10-year rule, a Sun E6500 is "old".. as of last year, even.

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[Patrick Giagnocavo 717-201-3366]

Patrick Finnegan wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 October 2009, Richard wrote:
>> I thought when it came to Sun hardware "old" was an adjective
>>  reserved for 680x0 Suns.
>
> By the 10-year rule, a Sun E6500 is "old".. as of last year, even.
>
> Pat

How about "if the system's CPU doesn't have out of order execution it is
 old" .

Maybe that is a better way to classify things.

--Patrick
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[Patrick Finnegan]

On Wednesday 14 October 2009, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote:

> Patrick Finnegan wrote:
> > On Wednesday 14 October 2009, Richard wrote:
> >> I thought when it came to Sun hardware "old" was an adjective
> >>  reserved for 680x0 Suns.
> >
> > By the 10-year rule, a Sun E6500 is "old".. as of last year, even.
> >
> > Pat
>
> How about "if the system's CPU doesn't have out of order execution it
>  is old" .

Since UltraSPARC-V never came out, Sun's SPARC line never had out-of-
order execution.

Pat
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[Sridhar Ayengar]

Patrick Finnegan wrote:
>>>> I thought when it came to Sun hardware "old" was an adjective
>>>>  reserved for 680x0 Suns.
>>> By the 10-year rule, a Sun E6500 is "old".. as of last year, even.
>> How about "if the system's CPU doesn't have out of order execution it
>>  is old" .
>
> Since UltraSPARC-V never came out, Sun's SPARC line never had out-of-
> order execution.

Well, that, and there are new CPUs being developed even today without
out-of-order execution.

Peace...  Sridhar
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[gsm-2]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:01:34AM -0400, Patrick Finnegan wrote:

>Since UltraSPARC-V never came out, Sun's SPARC line never had out-of-
>order execution.

Didn't the CDC 6600 (late 1960's) have it? I used a 6400 circa 1971, but that
was the "poor man's" single threaded machine.

Besides, weren't there many versions of GCC which provided out of order
execution with the wrong settings of the optiumization flag?

Oh, you meant on purpose. :-)

Geoff.

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[Patrick Giagnocavo 717-201-3366]

Patrick Finnegan wrote:

> On Wednesday 14 October 2009, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote:
>> Patrick Finnegan wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 14 October 2009, Richard wrote:
>>>> I thought when it came to Sun hardware "old" was an adjective
>>>>  reserved for 680x0 Suns.
>>> By the 10-year rule, a Sun E6500 is "old".. as of last year, even.
>>>
>>> Pat
>> How about "if the system's CPU doesn't have out of order execution it
>>  is old" .
>
> Since UltraSPARC-V never came out, Sun's SPARC line never had out-of-
> order execution.
>
> Pat

I apologize - I had thought that since USIII they had OOE.  Some
research indicates I am wrong about that.

--Patrick
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[Nate-30]

> How about "if the system's CPU doesn't have out of order execution it is
>  old" .
>
> Maybe that is a better way to classify things.

By that measure, an Intel Atom running Solaris is 'old'...

- Nate
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[Dave Fischer]

gsm@... writes:

>On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:01:34AM -0400, Patrick Finnegan wrote:

>>Since UltraSPARC-V never came out, Sun's SPARC line never had out-of-
>>order execution.

>Didn't the CDC 6600 (late 1960's) have it? I used a 6400 circa 1971, but that
>was the "poor man's" single threaded machine.

That, and for micros: first-generation POWER.

Soon enough, we'll be able to use "has a clean architecture" to
mean "old".

For Sun, my cutoff is around 1995 now, for "useful" versus "collection",
although there are a few earlier exceptions. (I have no retirement
plans for my SS5's.) I really like sbus, so I'm going to have to be
dragged kicking and screaming past 1999.

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[der Mouse-3]

> I really like sbus, so I'm going to have to be dragged kicking and
> screaming past 1999.

You and me both; you'll have company....

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[Peter Corlett]

On 14 Oct 2009, at 10:46, Lionel Peterson wrote:
> I think 'Old' has gone through several definitions - first anything  
> 680x0-based, then anything Sun4(all flavors) or earlier, then  
> anytimg that wouldn't run 64-bit Solaris. Soon (I fear) it will mean  
> anything not x64-based.

Ha. I have in front of me a slightly battered x64 Ultra 20, acquired  
cheaply because the previous owner evidently decided it was too old.
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[Joshua Boyd]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 05:46:20AM -0400, Lionel Peterson wrote:
> I think 'Old' has gone through several definitions - first anything  
> 680x0-based, then anything Sun4(all flavors) or earlier, then anytimg  
> that wouldn't run 64-bit Solaris. Soon (I fear) it will mean anything  
> not x64-based.

To be picky, everything sun4(all flavors) isn't old since sun4u was
64-bit capable, and sun4v and sun4u are both still in production.

I don't think that old will mean anything not x64-based anytime soon,
since the T1s and T2s are still very, very nice.
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[Joshua Boyd]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 09:54:56AM -0400, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote:

> Patrick Finnegan wrote:
> > On Wednesday 14 October 2009, Richard wrote:
> >> I thought when it came to Sun hardware "old" was an adjective
> >>  reserved for 680x0 Suns.
> >
> > By the 10-year rule, a Sun E6500 is "old".. as of last year, even.
> >
> > Pat
>
> How about "if the system's CPU doesn't have out of order execution it is
>  old" .
>
> Maybe that is a better way to classify things.

Wouldn't that mean that Atoms and ARMs are old?
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