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by Morten Bek Ditlevsen-2
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Hi group,
Avi Romano that has contributed with iPhone patches to RoadMap informed me about half a year ago that the Freemap project has changed it's name to 'Waze'. Now Waze is available for the iPhone, which is great (only works in the US for now) - but I can't find any link to the GPL text or the waze client source code on the website. (and since the source code can't really be delivered along with the binary in the App Store I assume that it must be made available on the related website). It appears they are using the proprietary back-end that Ehud Shabtai made for Freemap Israel - at least it's the same functionality that Freemap Israel also provided (clients help build the map). I asked on the blog if they are indeed the same 'Waze' that is a fork of Roadmap - and if so to provide source code. http://www.waze.com/ http://www.waze.com/about/team/ Can any on this list help with this? Avi or Ehud, maybe you are following this thread too? Sincerely, /morten ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Roadmap-general mailing list Roadmap-general@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general |
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Re: Waze
by Paul Fox-3
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morten bek ditlevsen wrote:
> Hi group, > Avi Romano that has contributed with iPhone patches to RoadMap > informed me about half a year ago that the Freemap project has changed > it's name to 'Waze'. > Now Waze is available for the iPhone, which is great (only works in > the US for now) - but I can't find any link to the GPL text or the > waze client source code on the website. (and since the source code > can't really be delivered along with the binary in the App Store I > assume that it must be made available on the related website). does the iPhone binary package not make prominent the fact that the code is GPL'ed? if the Waze app is in compliance, you should not be having any issue at all finding the source. if you can't find the source, then the package isn't in compliance. here's a copy of a message i sent to danny some time ago: > Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:51:47 EST > To: danny.backx@... > > From: Paul Fox <pgf@...> > Subject: Re: [Roadmap-general] 1.2.0 released > In-Reply-To: <24324.1233783846@...> > > > part text/plain 597 > i wrote: > > (you don't read hebrew, do you? i noticed that ehud's freemap > > site (http://www.freemap.co.il/) now redirects to a more > > commercial-looking site. seems his project is doing well...) > > and he seems to have abandoned sourceforge. at least i think so. > > there's a tarball here: http://www.waze.co.il/api/ which doesn't > match his CVS. not surprising -- i haven't seen a commit of his in > ages. looks like he's ported to symbian. it's such a shame he > felt he had to fork. :-/ > > paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 73.0 degrees) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Roadmap-general mailing list Roadmap-general@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general |
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Re: Waze
by Morten Bek Ditlevsen
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Hi Paul,
Yeah, that's my only problem - the program is currently only available on the US app store - which I don't have access too. And as such I of course know that I myself is not entitled to receive a copy of the source code, but the US customers may be (if indeed this is the same Waze, but I'd say it appears to be). But if they have a clear indication that it is GPL v2 and do have a pointer to the source code they have not chosen to use their main website to distribute it. Hopefully I can find a way to try out the app 'cause altogether I naturally think that it's great that the code gets spread as widely as possible! Sincerely, /morten On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Paul Fox<pgf@...> wrote: > morten bek ditlevsen wrote: > > Hi group, > > Avi Romano that has contributed with iPhone patches to RoadMap > > informed me about half a year ago that the Freemap project has changed > > it's name to 'Waze'. > > Now Waze is available for the iPhone, which is great (only works in > > the US for now) - but I can't find any link to the GPL text or the > > waze client source code on the website. (and since the source code > > can't really be delivered along with the binary in the App Store I > > assume that it must be made available on the related website). > > does the iPhone binary package not make prominent the fact that > the code is GPL'ed? if the Waze app is in compliance, you should > not be having any issue at all finding the source. if you can't > find the source, then the package isn't in compliance. > > here's a copy of a message i sent to danny some time ago: > > Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:51:47 EST > > To: danny.backx@... > > > > From: Paul Fox <pgf@...> > > Subject: Re: [Roadmap-general] 1.2.0 released > > In-Reply-To: <24324.1233783846@...> > > > > > > part text/plain 597 > > i wrote: > > > (you don't read hebrew, do you? i noticed that ehud's freemap > > > site (http://www.freemap.co.il/) now redirects to a more > > > commercial-looking site. seems his project is doing well...) > > > > and he seems to have abandoned sourceforge. at least i think so. > > > > there's a tarball here: http://www.waze.co.il/api/ which doesn't > > match his CVS. not surprising -- i haven't seen a commit of his in > > ages. looks like he's ported to symbian. it's such a shame he > > felt he had to fork. :-/ > > > > paul > > =--------------------- > paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 73.0 degrees) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Roadmap-general mailing list > Roadmap-general@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Roadmap-general mailing list Roadmap-general@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general |
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Re: Waze
by Joshua Layne
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Hi Morten,
I downloaded it and could send it to you if you would like - I assume you are still jailbroken, so shouldn't be a problem for you to "install" it. It's free, so I don't think I would be engaging in anything evil here (except perhaps in Apple's eyes, which I could care less about) - correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't had much of a chance to use it and so have no real opinion on it, other than it has a very cartoonish feel to it - seems marketed to kids. I'll probably check it out in the next couple days. j. On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:17:34 +0200, Morten Bek Ditlevsen <bek@...> wrote: > Hi Paul, > Yeah, that's my only problem - the program is currently only available > on the US app store - which I don't have access too. > And as such I of course know that I myself is not entitled to receive > a copy of the source code, but the US customers may be (if indeed this > is the same Waze, but I'd say it appears to be). > > But if they have a clear indication that it is GPL v2 and do have a > pointer to the source code they have not chosen to use their main > website to distribute it. > > Hopefully I can find a way to try out the app 'cause altogether I > naturally think that it's great that the code gets spread as widely as > possible! > > Sincerely, > /morten > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Paul Fox<pgf@...> wrote: >> morten bek ditlevsen wrote: >> > Hi group, >> > Avi Romano that has contributed with iPhone patches to RoadMap >> > informed me about half a year ago that the Freemap project has > changed >> > it's name to 'Waze'. >> > Now Waze is available for the iPhone, which is great (only works in >> > the US for now) - but I can't find any link to the GPL text or the >> > waze client source code on the website. (and since the source code >> > can't really be delivered along with the binary in the App Store I >> > assume that it must be made available on the related website). >> >> does the iPhone binary package not make prominent the fact that >> the code is GPL'ed? if the Waze app is in compliance, you should >> not be having any issue at all finding the source. if you can't >> find the source, then the package isn't in compliance. >> >> here's a copy of a message i sent to danny some time ago: >> > Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:51:47 EST >> > To: danny.backx@... >> > >> > From: Paul Fox <pgf@...> >> > Subject: Re: [Roadmap-general] 1.2.0 released >> > In-Reply-To: <24324.1233783846@...> >> > >> > >> > part text/plain 597 >> > i wrote: >> > > (you don't read hebrew, do you? i noticed that ehud's freemap >> > > site (http://www.freemap.co.il/) now redirects to a more >> > > commercial-looking site. seems his project is doing well...) >> > >> > and he seems to have abandoned sourceforge. at least i think so. >> > >> > there's a tarball here: http://www.waze.co.il/api/ which doesn't >> > match his CVS. not surprising -- i haven't seen a commit of his in >> > ages. looks like he's ported to symbian. it's such a shame he >> > felt he had to fork. :-/ >> > >> > paul >> >> =--------------------- >> paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 73.0 > degrees) >> >> > >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and > focus on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> _______________________________________________ >> Roadmap-general mailing list >> Roadmap-general@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general >> > > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Roadmap-general mailing list > Roadmap-general@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Roadmap-general mailing list Roadmap-general@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general |
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Re: Waze
by Morten Bek Ditlevsen-2
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Hi Joshua,
I'd love to see the app if you'd send a zipped version! Just to find out if my assumptions about the origin of the app are correct. Thanks a bunch! Sincerely, /morten On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Joshua Layne<joshua@...> wrote: > Hi Morten, > I downloaded it and could send it to you if you would like - I assume you > are still jailbroken, so shouldn't be a problem for you to "install" it. > It's free, so I don't think I would be engaging in anything evil here > (except perhaps in Apple's eyes, which I could care less about) - correct > me if I'm wrong. > > I haven't had much of a chance to use it and so have no real opinion on it, > other than it has a very cartoonish feel to it - seems marketed to kids. > I'll probably check it out in the next couple days. > > j. > > On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:17:34 +0200, Morten Bek Ditlevsen <bek@...> > wrote: >> Hi Paul, >> Yeah, that's my only problem - the program is currently only available >> on the US app store - which I don't have access too. >> And as such I of course know that I myself is not entitled to receive >> a copy of the source code, but the US customers may be (if indeed this >> is the same Waze, but I'd say it appears to be). >> >> But if they have a clear indication that it is GPL v2 and do have a >> pointer to the source code they have not chosen to use their main >> website to distribute it. >> >> Hopefully I can find a way to try out the app 'cause altogether I >> naturally think that it's great that the code gets spread as widely as >> possible! >> >> Sincerely, >> /morten >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Paul Fox<pgf@...> wrote: >>> morten bek ditlevsen wrote: >>> > Hi group, >>> > Avi Romano that has contributed with iPhone patches to RoadMap >>> > informed me about half a year ago that the Freemap project has >> changed >>> > it's name to 'Waze'. >>> > Now Waze is available for the iPhone, which is great (only works in >>> > the US for now) - but I can't find any link to the GPL text or the >>> > waze client source code on the website. (and since the source code >>> > can't really be delivered along with the binary in the App Store I >>> > assume that it must be made available on the related website). >>> >>> does the iPhone binary package not make prominent the fact that >>> the code is GPL'ed? if the Waze app is in compliance, you should >>> not be having any issue at all finding the source. if you can't >>> find the source, then the package isn't in compliance. >>> >>> here's a copy of a message i sent to danny some time ago: >>> > Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:51:47 EST >>> > To: danny.backx@... >>> > >>> > From: Paul Fox <pgf@...> >>> > Subject: Re: [Roadmap-general] 1.2.0 released >>> > In-Reply-To: <24324.1233783846@...> >>> > >>> > >>> > part text/plain 597 >>> > i wrote: >>> > > (you don't read hebrew, do you? i noticed that ehud's freemap >>> > > site (http://www.freemap.co.il/) now redirects to a more >>> > > commercial-looking site. seems his project is doing well...) >>> > >>> > and he seems to have abandoned sourceforge. at least i think so. >>> > >>> > there's a tarball here: http://www.waze.co.il/api/ which doesn't >>> > match his CVS. not surprising -- i haven't seen a commit of his in >>> > ages. looks like he's ported to symbian. it's such a shame he >>> > felt he had to fork. :-/ >>> > >>> > paul >>> >>> =--------------------- >>> paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 73.0 >> degrees) >>> >>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >> 30-Day >>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and >> focus on >>> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >>> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Roadmap-general mailing list >>> Roadmap-general@... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general >>> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >> 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and > focus >> on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> _______________________________________________ >> Roadmap-general mailing list >> Roadmap-general@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Roadmap-general mailing list > Roadmap-general@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. 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Re: Waze
by Paul Fox-3
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joshua wrote:
> Hi Morten, > I downloaded it and could send it to you if you would like - I assume you > are still jailbroken, so shouldn't be a problem for you to "install" it. > It's free, so I don't think I would be engaging in anything evil here > (except perhaps in Apple's eyes, which I could care less about) - correct > me if I'm wrong. hi josh -- how is the GPL "availability of source" requirement handled? paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 73.6 degrees) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Roadmap-general mailing list Roadmap-general@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general |
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Re: Waze
by Joshua Layne
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Hi Paul,
Don't know - I haven't found it yet, certainly not handled in the GUI app that I have seen and the website (www.waze.com) doesn't clearly provide it either. see: http://www.waze.com/legal/english/TOS.html " The Waze client is based on GPL open source code. If you use any part of the Waze client skin (including the graphics or sound files) you must use it together with the Waze map and map data, and You may not include maps or map data from any other party without our advance, written consent. If You use the Waze client, together with the Waze map and map data as permitted above, You may also our server APIs and real time data without our prior written consent. " I haven't found any downloadable source code, so it does seem to be in violation (but maybe it's in the filesystem of the iphone.... I haven't looked there yet (also not sure if that would really count as "available" to the general user population, as you would need to jailbreak to see it (which may or may not violate DMCA.....))). It is definitely derived from Ehud's work on freemap israel according to their "about" page. Regards, Josh On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:33:27 -0400, Paul Fox <pgf@...> wrote: > joshua wrote: > > Hi Morten, > > I downloaded it and could send it to you if you would like - I assume > you > > are still jailbroken, so shouldn't be a problem for you to "install" > it. > > It's free, so I don't think I would be engaging in anything evil here > > (except perhaps in Apple's eyes, which I could care less about) - > correct > > me if I'm wrong. > > hi josh -- > > how is the GPL "availability of source" requirement handled? > > paul > =--------------------- > paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 73.6 > degrees) > > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Roadmap-general mailing list > Roadmap-general@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Roadmap-general mailing list Roadmap-general@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general |
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Re: Waze
by Paul Fox-3
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joshua wrote:
> Hi Paul, > Don't know - I haven't found it yet, certainly not handled in the GUI app > that I have seen and the website (www.waze.com) doesn't clearly provide it > either. > > see: http://www.waze.com/legal/english/TOS.html > " > The Waze client is based on GPL open source code. If you use any part of > the Waze client skin (including the graphics or sound files) you must use > it together with the Waze map and map data, and You may not include maps or > map data from any other party without our advance, written consent. If You this sounds suspiciously like it's a direct violation of the GPL. > use the Waze client, together with the Waze map and map data as permitted > above, You may also our server APIs and real time data without our prior > written consent. > " > > I haven't found any downloadable source code, so it does seem to be in > violation (but maybe it's in the filesystem of the iphone.... I haven't and this is definitely a violation. paul > looked there yet (also not sure if that would really count as "available" > to the general user population, as you would need to jailbreak to see it > (which may or may not violate DMCA.....))). > > It is definitely derived from Ehud's work on freemap israel according to > their "about" page. > > Regards, > Josh > > On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:33:27 -0400, Paul Fox <pgf@...> > wrote: > > joshua wrote: > > > Hi Morten, > > > I downloaded it and could send it to you if you would like - I assume > > you > > > are still jailbroken, so shouldn't be a problem for you to "install" > > it. > > > It's free, so I don't think I would be engaging in anything evil here > > > (except perhaps in Apple's eyes, which I could care less about) - > > correct > > > me if I'm wrong. > > > > hi josh -- > > > > how is the GPL "availability of source" requirement handled? > > > > paul > > =--------------------- > > paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 73.6 > > degrees) > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > > 30-Day > > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and > focus > > on > > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > _______________________________________________ > > Roadmap-general mailing list > > Roadmap-general@... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Roadmap-general mailing list > Roadmap-general@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general =--------------------- paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 79.7 degrees) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Roadmap-general mailing list Roadmap-general@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general |
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Re: Waze
by Morten Bek Ditlevsen-2
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Hi group,
Thanks for the comments - I just wanted to bring this up so that you know it's out there! Of course any violations need to get fixed - and I'm sure that they will eventually. Probably a lot to get around to when releasing such an app... But altogether I think it's really great that the app is out there - and every contributor should be proud. Since I am not (yet) a customer I am reminding myself that _I_ don't currently have any claims to the modified source as stated by the GPL... That being said I am of course curious to have a look at the code! ;-) And hope that some of the changes have value together with other data sources such as OSM. Sincerely, /morten On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Paul Fox<pgf@...> wrote: > joshua wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > Don't know - I haven't found it yet, certainly not handled in the GUI app > > that I have seen and the website (www.waze.com) doesn't clearly provide it > > either. > > > > see: http://www.waze.com/legal/english/TOS.html > > " > > The Waze client is based on GPL open source code. If you use any part of > > the Waze client skin (including the graphics or sound files) you must use > > it together with the Waze map and map data, and You may not include maps or > > map data from any other party without our advance, written consent. If You > > this sounds suspiciously like it's a direct violation of the GPL. > > > use the Waze client, together with the Waze map and map data as permitted > > above, You may also our server APIs and real time data without our prior > > written consent. > > " > > > > I haven't found any downloadable source code, so it does seem to be in > > violation (but maybe it's in the filesystem of the iphone.... I haven't > > and this is definitely a violation. > > paul > > > looked there yet (also not sure if that would really count as "available" > > to the general user population, as you would need to jailbreak to see it > > (which may or may not violate DMCA.....))). > > > > It is definitely derived from Ehud's work on freemap israel according to > > their "about" page. > > > > Regards, > > Josh > > > > On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:33:27 -0400, Paul Fox <pgf@...> > > wrote: > > > joshua wrote: > > > > Hi Morten, > > > > I downloaded it and could send it to you if you would like - I assume > > > you > > > > are still jailbroken, so shouldn't be a problem for you to "install" > > > it. > > > > It's free, so I don't think I would be engaging in anything evil here > > > > (except perhaps in Apple's eyes, which I could care less about) - > > > correct > > > > me if I'm wrong. > > > > > > hi josh -- > > > > > > how is the GPL "availability of source" requirement handled? > > > > > > paul > > > =--------------------- > > > paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 73.6 > > > degrees) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > > > 30-Day > > > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and > > focus > > > on > > > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > > > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Roadmap-general mailing list > > > Roadmap-general@... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > > what you do best, core application coding. 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Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Roadmap-general mailing list > Roadmap-general@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Roadmap-general mailing list Roadmap-general@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general |
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Re: Waze
by Junqian Gordon Xu
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Report in the gpl-violations.org legal mailinglist a good start
http://gpl-violations.org/ Regards Gordon On 08/10/2009 02:00 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > joshua wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > Don't know - I haven't found it yet, certainly not handled in the GUI app > > that I have seen and the website (www.waze.com) doesn't clearly provide it > > either. > > > > see: http://www.waze.com/legal/english/TOS.html > > " > > The Waze client is based on GPL open source code. If you use any part of > > the Waze client skin (including the graphics or sound files) you must use > > it together with the Waze map and map data, and You may not include maps or > > map data from any other party without our advance, written consent. If You > > this sounds suspiciously like it's a direct violation of the GPL. > > > use the Waze client, together with the Waze map and map data as permitted > > above, You may also our server APIs and real time data without our prior > > written consent. > > " > > > > I haven't found any downloadable source code, so it does seem to be in > > violation (but maybe it's in the filesystem of the iphone.... I haven't > > and this is definitely a violation. > > paul > > > looked there yet (also not sure if that would really count as "available" > > to the general user population, as you would need to jailbreak to see it > > (which may or may not violate DMCA.....))). > > > > It is definitely derived from Ehud's work on freemap israel according to > > their "about" page. > > > > Regards, > > Josh > > > > On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:33:27 -0400, Paul Fox <pgf@...> > > wrote: > > > joshua wrote: > > > > Hi Morten, > > > > I downloaded it and could send it to you if you would like - I assume > > > you > > > > are still jailbroken, so shouldn't be a problem for you to "install" > > > it. > > > > It's free, so I don't think I would be engaging in anything evil here > > > > (except perhaps in Apple's eyes, which I could care less about) - > > > correct > > > > me if I'm wrong. > > > > > > hi josh -- > > > > > > how is the GPL "availability of source" requirement handled? > > > > > > paul > > > =--------------------- > > > paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 73.6 > > > degrees) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > > > 30-Day > > > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and > > focus > > > on > > > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > > > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Roadmap-general mailing list > > > Roadmap-general@... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > _______________________________________________ > > Roadmap-general mailing list > > Roadmap-general@... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general > > =--------------------- > paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 79.7 degrees) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Roadmap-general mailing list > Roadmap-general@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Roadmap-general mailing list Roadmap-general@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general |
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Re: Waze
by Joshua Layne
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There's also a support email address that we can try for the source. I
just haven't gotten to that yet. rgds, josh On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:06:23 +0200, Danny Backx <danny.backx@...> wrote: >> and this is definitely a violation. > > >> Report in the gpl-violations.org legal mailinglist a good start >> >> http://gpl-violations.org/ > > Please remember that we've seen incomplete "evidence" at best. > It's always wise to stay polite... > > Danny > -- > Danny Backx - danny.backx - at scarlet.be ; http://danny.backx.info > > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Roadmap-general mailing list > Roadmap-general@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Roadmap-general mailing list Roadmap-general@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general |
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Re: Waze
by Morten Bek Ditlevsen
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Hi there,
I've written a small reminder (very politely indeed ;-) and I am awaiting an answer. I completely agree with you, Danny, there's no reason to think that anyone is intentionally holding anything back - I'm certain that they've just not gotten around to it. Sincerely, /morten On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Joshua Layne<joshua@...> wrote: > There's also a support email address that we can try for the source. I > just haven't gotten to that yet. > > rgds, > josh > > On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:06:23 +0200, Danny Backx <danny.backx@...> > wrote: >>> and this is definitely a violation. >> >> >>> Report in the gpl-violations.org legal mailinglist a good start >>> >>> http://gpl-violations.org/ >> >> Please remember that we've seen incomplete "evidence" at best. >> It's always wise to stay polite... >> >> Danny >> -- >> Danny Backx - danny.backx - at scarlet.be ; http://danny.backx.info >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >> 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and > focus >> on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> _______________________________________________ >> Roadmap-general mailing list >> Roadmap-general@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Roadmap-general mailing list > Roadmap-general@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Roadmap-general mailing list Roadmap-general@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general |
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Re: Waze
by Paul Fox-3
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i wrote:
> joshua wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > Don't know - I haven't found it yet, certainly not handled in the GUI app > > that I have seen and the website (www.waze.com) doesn't clearly provide it > > either. > > > > see: http://www.waze.com/legal/english/TOS.html > > " > > The Waze client is based on GPL open source code. If you > > use any part of the Waze client skin (including the > > graphics or sound files) you must use it together with the > > Waze map and map data, and You may not include maps or map > > data from any other party without our advance, written > > consent. If You > > this sounds suspiciously like it's a direct violation of the GPL. re-reading this, it sort of depends on what they mean by "the Waze client skin". if the skin is really separable, and separately licensed, then i guess it's okay if they say you can only use the skin with their map data. i have a friend with an android phone who's going to install it so i can take a look. paul > > > use the Waze client, together with the Waze map and map > > data as permitted above, You may also our server APIs and > > real time data without our prior written consent. > > " > > > > I haven't found any downloadable source code, so it does seem to be in > > violation (but maybe it's in the filesystem of the iphone.... I haven't > > and this is definitely a violation. > > paul > > > looked there yet (also not sure if that would really count as "available" > > to the general user population, as you would need to jailbreak to see it > > (which may or may not violate DMCA.....))). > > > > It is definitely derived from Ehud's work on freemap israel according to > > their "about" page. > > > > Regards, > > Josh > > > > On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:33:27 -0400, Paul Fox <pgf@...> > > wrote: > > > joshua wrote: > > > > Hi Morten, > > > > I downloaded it and could send it to you if you would like - I assume > > > you > > > > are still jailbroken, so shouldn't be a problem for you to "install" > > > it. > > > > It's free, so I don't think I would be engaging in anything evil here > > > > (except perhaps in Apple's eyes, which I could care less about) - > > > correct > > > > me if I'm wrong. > > > > > > hi josh -- > > > > > > how is the GPL "availability of source" requirement handled? > > > > > > paul > > > =--------------------- > > > paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 73.6 > > > degrees) > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > > > 30-Day > > > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and > > focus > > > on > > > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > > > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Roadmap-general mailing list > > > Roadmap-general@... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > _______________________________________________ > > Roadmap-general mailing list > > Roadmap-general@... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general > > =--------------------- > paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 79.7 degrees) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Roadmap-general mailing list > Roadmap-general@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general =--------------------- paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 76.6 degrees) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Roadmap-general mailing list Roadmap-general@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general |
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Re: Waze
by Kevin Brown-6
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That they don't have the source available on their site doesn't make
them in violation of the GPL. They just have to provide "reasonable" access to it. E.g. pay a few dollars to get a CD, or receive it via email if you request it). > Hi there, > I've written a small reminder (very politely indeed ;-) and I am > awaiting an answer. I completely agree with you, Danny, there's no > reason to think that anyone is intentionally holding anything back - > I'm certain that they've just not gotten around to it. > > Sincerely, > /morten > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Joshua Layne<joshua@...> wrote: >> There's also a support email address that we can try for the source. I >> just haven't gotten to that yet. >> >> rgds, >> josh >> >> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:06:23 +0200, Danny Backx <danny.backx@...> >> wrote: >>>> and this is definitely a violation. >>> >>>> Report in the gpl-violations.org legal mailinglist a good start >>>> >>>> http://gpl-violations.org/ >>> Please remember that we've seen incomplete "evidence" at best. >>> It's always wise to stay polite... >>> >>> Danny >>> -- >>> Danny Backx - danny.backx - at scarlet.be ; http://danny.backx.info >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >>> 30-Day >>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and >> focus >>> on >>> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >>> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Roadmap-general mailing list >>> Roadmap-general@... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> _______________________________________________ >> Roadmap-general mailing list >> Roadmap-general@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Roadmap-general mailing list > Roadmap-general@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Roadmap-general mailing list Roadmap-general@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general |
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Re: Waze
by Paul Fox-3
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kevin wrote:
> That they don't have the source available on their site doesn't make > them in violation of the GPL. They just have to provide "reasonable" > access to it. E.g. pay a few dollars to get a CD, or receive it via > email if you request it). yes, but they have to make that offer explicitly and obviously. paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 73.0 degrees) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Roadmap-general mailing list Roadmap-general@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/roadmap-general |
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