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We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
by Martin Nordholts-2
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Hi,
We are making pretty good progress towards GIMP 2.8 which has turned into an "everything but GEGL" release. I think it would make sense to also go for a single-window mode in 2.8 and not 2.10 as originally planned. By doing this we will be able to focus all resources on integrating GEGL once 2.8 is released. Integrating GEGL will require rather big changes to the code base, and I don't think having one guy working in parallel on another feature that requires big code changes is a good idea. A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release, with both layer-groups and a single-window mode, none of which were originally planned for 2.8. I intend to start working on this asap, and peter will work on a UI spec as soon as he gets time. If you have objections, please speak up. / Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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Re: We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
by Richard Nespithal
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> A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release
is it possible, to switch back to multi-window mode in 2.8? It's very hard to work within one window, especially if you're using more than one monitor (and edit many images) lg richy On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:49:22 +0200 Martin Nordholts <enselic@...> wrote: > Hi, > > We are making pretty good progress towards GIMP 2.8 which has turned > into an "everything but GEGL" release. I think it would make sense to > also go for a single-window mode in 2.8 and not 2.10 as originally > planned. > > By doing this we will be able to focus all resources on integrating > GEGL once 2.8 is released. Integrating GEGL will require rather big > changes to the code base, and I don't think having one guy working in > parallel on another feature that requires big code changes is a good > idea. > > A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release, > with both layer-groups and a single-window mode, none of which were > originally planned for 2.8. > > I intend to start working on this asap, and peter will work on a UI > spec as soon as he gets time. If you have objections, please speak up. > > / Martin > _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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Re: We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
by Martin Nordholts-2
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On 09/05/2009 06:22 PM, Richard Nespithal wrote:
>> A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release > is it possible, to switch back to multi-window mode in 2.8? That is not really relevant to this thread. (But yes of course it will be possible.) / Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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Re: We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
by Ramón Miranda
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I like modular structures becouse they allows more custom changes. So this way you can change your layout of panels. But if all it would be in a single window , ithink lot of users would thanks that. becouse i hear a lot..." Gimp is nice , but his gui is ugly and uncomfortable.i don´t like to see a lot of panels flying through my desktop"
Lets give it a try to a single window mode 2009/9/5 Martin Nordholts <enselic@...>
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Re: We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
by SorinN
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The single big problem with the MDI was when the toolbox and / or
other boxes remain on top of other opened windows when you minimize the canvas window. Now with GIMP 2.7 things are changed so MDI will not be such a problem. But indeed a single window app. was a necessary step. Will be super OK if we can revert to MDI ( for designers with 2 or 3 monitors will be OK too ). At least users will have choices... 2009/9/6 Ramón Miranda <mirandagraphic@...>: > I like modular structures becouse they allows more custom changes. So this > way you can change your layout of panels. But if all it would be in a single > window , ithink lot of users would thanks that. becouse i hear a lot..." > Gimp is nice , but his gui is ugly and uncomfortable.i don´t like to see a > lot of panels flying through my desktop" > > Lets give it a try to a single window mode > > 2009/9/5 Martin Nordholts <enselic@...> >> >> On 09/05/2009 06:22 PM, Richard Nespithal wrote: >> >> A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release >> > is it possible, to switch back to multi-window mode in 2.8? >> >> That is not really relevant to this thread. >> (But yes of course it will be possible.) >> >> / Martin >> >> -- >> >> My GIMP Blog: >> http://www.chromecode.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gimp-developer mailing list >> Gimp-developer@... >> https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer > > > > -- > _______________________________________ > Ramon Miranda > http://ramonmirandavisualart.blogspot.com > http://code.google.com/p/gps-gimp-paint-studio/ > > _______________________________________________ > Gimp-developer mailing list > Gimp-developer@... > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer > > -- Nemes Ioan Sorin _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
by Bill Y.
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>I like modular structures becouse they allows more custom changes. So this
>way you can change your layout of panels. But if all it would be in a single >window , ithink lot of users would thanks that. becouse i hear a lot..." >Gimp is nice , but his gui is ugly and uncomfortable.i don?t like to see a >lot of panels flying through my desktop" > >Lets give it a try to a single window mode > >2009/9/5 Martin Nordholts <enselic@...> > >> On 09/05/2009 06:22 PM, Richard Nespithal wrote: >> >> A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release >> > is it possible, to switch back to multi-window mode in 2.8? >> >> That is not really relevant to this thread. >> (But yes of course it will be possible.) >> >> / Martin >> >> -- >> >> My GIMP Blog: >> http://www.chromecode.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gimp-developer mailing list >> Gimp-developer@... >> https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer >> > > I don't know why people mention so much that if you create a single window Gimp that that it will not allow you to put your tools in a second monitor because I used Photoshop also many times and despite it being a single window program it allows you to put the toolbox and the parameter windows (or at least it did in some older versions) in a separate monitor and leave the main program window all for editing pictures if that's what people wanted. You coul also save the workspace layout so Photoshop always opened like this and Gimp already has the ability to save it's layout too. Photoshop allowed this perfectly and still was a single window program. If that's the concern of people then perhaps Gimp should become a single windows program that allows this, that allows you to put the toolbox and the right utilities window in a separate monitor while still preserving a single box or entry in the taskbar. In my opinion having a single entry in the taskbar is much better because it's far less messy, the biggest problem with the multiple entries interface is that some people seem to think that everybody opens Gimp only here and there and ocasioanlly and they are not thinking of the profesional users that use Gimp seriously (and yes it is a powerfull program already and it can be used seriously) and some people seem to be forgetting that some people like me for example many, many times have several windows and applications running simultaneously and when I mean several I mean a lot, I find myself many times with 10 or 12 aplications and/or utilities or more open at the same time (with todays memorys and CPU power this is very possible and more common than some people think) and switching among them and believe me this is not uncommon for professional artists that are jumping from 3D to illustration to bitmap editor, video editing, Flash and/or a web page layout program or even more programs back and fort like a carrousel. In todays workflow you can find many users that work just like that instead of the persons that just open a bitmap editor ocasionally and the issue is that when you have a lot of windows of different programs open at the same time a program like Gimp can become a mess in the task bar in MS Windows or even in other Operating Systems. Sometimes when I'm working like that the taskbar is so full that it creates a second entry line and you have to switch between the first line of items or entries in the task bar and the secong and with Gimps it gets sort of confusing or anoying in that situation and I use Blender too which creates a second window for the command window and many times a third windows for the rendering window and then you get a mess. Programs that have a single entry in the task bar are far better for this type of workflow, they are easier to manage. Maybe the Gimp team should make a survey to see how many people prefer the single entry or single window program over the multiple ones. This issue of too many windows have been a source of complain of many, many Gimp users for long years and I think that it would be foolhardy to ignore and at the very least the Gimp team should consider making a survey to see how many people prefer the single window interface but remember what I told you at first about being able to put the toolbox pane and the right pane in other monitors despite the program being single window or single entry program. I think that part of the confussion comes precisely from the fact that the issue of being a single window program and a program that has a single entry in the task bar are really two separate things. I personally, deffinitely prefer the Gimp being a program that always shows as a single entry in the taskbar that's really my main concern, it's just easier to manage single entry programs with a multiple applications workflow. -- David G. (via www.gimpusers.com) _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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Re: We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
by Ramón Miranda
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David G said
>always opened like this and Gimp already has the ability to save it's layout too. Photoshop allowed this >perfectly and still was a single window program. i would like to have also the ability so save my workspace and change "inside" the gimp from. for example. paint workspace to a "photoretouch" space . instead having different sessionrc and quiting gimp to change the workspace. i hope you will understand me. 2009/9/6 David G. <forums@...>
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Re: We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
by SorinN
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"I personally, deffinitely prefer the Gimp being a program that always shows
as a single entry in the taskbar that's really my main concern, it's just easier to manage single entry programs with a multiple applications workflow." But GIMP 2.7 solve that. Maybe you don't use 2.7. A single entry in taskbar and when the canvas window is minimized all other utility windows are minimized too. 2009/9/6 Ramón Miranda <mirandagraphic@...>: > David G said >>always opened like this and Gimp already has the ability to save it's >> layout too. Photoshop allowed this >>perfectly and still was a single window program. > > i would like to have also the ability so save my workspace and change > "inside" the gimp from. for example. paint workspace to a "photoretouch" > space . instead having different sessionrc and quiting gimp to change the > workspace. i hope you will understand me. > > 2009/9/6 David G. <forums@...> >> >> >I like modular structures becouse they allows more custom changes. So >> > this >> >way you can change your layout of panels. But if all it would be in a >> single >> >window , ithink lot of users would thanks that. becouse i hear a lot..." >> >Gimp is nice , but his gui is ugly and uncomfortable.i don?t like to see >> > a >> >lot of panels flying through my desktop" >> > >> >Lets give it a try to a single window mode >> > >> >2009/9/5 Martin Nordholts <enselic@...> >> > >> >> On 09/05/2009 06:22 PM, Richard Nespithal wrote: >> >> >> A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release >> >> > is it possible, to switch back to multi-window mode in 2.8? >> >> >> >> That is not really relevant to this thread. >> >> (But yes of course it will be possible.) >> >> >> >> / Martin >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> My GIMP Blog: >> >> http://www.chromecode.com/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Gimp-developer mailing list >> >> Gimp-developer@... >> >> https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer >> >> >> > >> > >> >> I don't know why people mention so much that if you create a single >> window >> Gimp that that it will not allow you to put your tools in a second monitor >> because I used Photoshop also many times and despite it being a single >> window >> program it allows you to put the toolbox and the parameter windows (or at >> least it did in some older versions) in a separate monitor and leave the >> main >> program window all for editing pictures if that's what people wanted. You >> coul >> also save the workspace layout so Photoshop always opened like this and >> Gimp >> already has the ability to save it's layout too. Photoshop allowed this >> perfectly and still was a single window program. >> >> If that's the concern of people then perhaps Gimp should become a single >> windows program that allows this, that allows you to put the toolbox and >> the >> right utilities window in a separate monitor while still preserving a >> single >> box or entry in the taskbar. In my opinion having a single entry in the >> taskbar is much better because it's far less messy, the biggest problem >> with >> the multiple entries interface is that some people seem to think that >> everybody opens Gimp only here and there and ocasioanlly and they are not >> thinking of the profesional users that use Gimp seriously (and yes it is a >> powerfull program already and it can be used seriously) and some people >> seem >> to be forgetting that some people like me for example many, many times >> have >> several windows and applications running simultaneously and when I mean >> several I mean a lot, I find myself many times with 10 or 12 aplications >> and/or utilities or more open at the same time (with todays memorys and >> CPU >> power this is very possible and more common than some people think) and >> switching among them and believe me this is not uncommon for professional >> artists that are jumping from 3D to illustration to bitmap editor, video >> editing, Flash and/or a web page layout program or even more programs back >> and >> fort like a carrousel. In todays workflow you can find many users that >> work >> just like that instead of the persons that just open a bitmap editor >> ocasionally and the issue is that when you have a lot of windows of >> different >> programs open at the same time a program like Gimp can become a mess in >> the >> task bar in MS Windows or even in other Operating Systems. Sometimes when >> I'm >> working like that the taskbar is so full that it creates a second entry >> line >> and you have to switch between the first line of items or entries in the >> task >> bar and the secong and with Gimps it gets sort of confusing or anoying in >> that >> situation and I use Blender too which creates a second window for the >> command >> window and many times a third windows for the rendering window and then >> you >> get a mess. Programs that have a single entry in the task bar are far >> better >> for this type of workflow, they are easier to manage. >> >> Maybe the Gimp team should make a survey to see how many people prefer the >> single entry or single window program over the multiple ones. This issue >> of >> too many windows have been a source of complain of many, many Gimp users >> for >> long years and I think that it would be foolhardy to ignore and at the >> very >> least the Gimp team should consider making a survey to see how many people >> prefer the single window interface but remember what I told you at first >> about >> being able to put the toolbox pane and the right pane in other monitors >> despite the program being single window or single entry program. >> >> I think that part of the confussion comes precisely from the fact that the >> issue of being a single window program and a program that has a single >> entry >> in the task bar are really two separate things. >> >> I personally, deffinitely prefer the Gimp being a program that always >> shows >> as a single entry in the taskbar that's really my main concern, it's just >> easier to manage single entry programs with a multiple applications >> workflow. >> >> -- >> David G. (via www.gimpusers.com) >> _______________________________________________ >> Gimp-developer mailing list >> Gimp-developer@... >> https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer > > > > -- > _______________________________________ > Ramon Miranda > http://ramonmirandavisualart.blogspot.com > http://code.google.com/p/gps-gimp-paint-studio/ > > _______________________________________________ > Gimp-developer mailing list > Gimp-developer@... > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer > > -- Nemes Ioan Sorin _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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Re: We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
by Liam R E Quin
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On Sun, 2009-09-06 at 06:37 +0200, David G. wrote:
> I don't know why people mention so much that if you create a single window > Gimp that that it will not allow you to put your tools in a second monitor > because I used Photoshop also many times and despite it being a single window > program it allows you to put the toolbox and the parameter windows (or at > least it did in some older versions) in a separate monitor and leave the main > program window all for editing pictures if that's what people wanted. PhotoShop (e.g. CS2) is not MDI -- you can drag images out of the "desktop" window too. And it's not single-window either. Instead, there's a "desktop" window, but that's really there (I think) just to make sure other program windows don't interfere visually, and to make people think it's still an MDI program. Of course, it also minimises completely, unlike gimp where I can have two images minimised and one open (which is good) and then if I close the image that's open (not minimized i mean), I am left with a toolbox and no images, so I no longer have access to any menus. GIMP already shows as a single entry in the gnome taskbar, here at least, so there's "minimise all" available now. At any rate, Martin, I'm sure you already know people use "MDI" loosely to mean "behaviour I'd like to see, involving my perception of fewer windows" and "single window" to mean "multiple windows that minimise together" or "program that can't really be used to work on multiple projects at the same time and hence is less confusing for me" :-) Right now gimp is broken for working on multiple projects (the file/save changes have rendered it too hard to keep track of where images are being "exported") but the use case is central (I think) to how "single window" needs to work. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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Re: We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
by SHIRAKAWA Akira
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Martin Nordholts wrote:
> I intend to start working on this asap, and peter will work on a UI > spec as soon as he gets time. If you have objections, please speak up. I personally don't have any objection. The current multi-window interface is not bad (it's actually quite useful in a multi-monitor environment) but it's so radically different from that of most other raster image editors than many people quickly deem it as unintuitive, too hard to use and because of it don't take the program seriously as a *powerful* open-source alternative to similar commercial programs. An official single windowed GIMP would draw much attention from both end users and potentially contributing developers and would definitely be beneficial to the whole project in the medium to long run. -- SHIRAKAWA Akira _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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I only have Gimp 2.6.7 binaries
by Bill Y.
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To SorinN: I use Windows (Vista 64 bit and XP) and I only have Gimp 2.6.7 so
far which is the one that is available for Windows now, if Gimp 2.7 creates a single entry in the taskbar and all the Windows minimize when you minimize one that's great for me, the multiple windows thing and being able to put them anywhere you want doesn't bother me, like I said it's just that I think that a single entry in the task bar becomes much easier to manage in a multi application workflow. Again if Gimp 2.7 fixes this that will be great. In another Gimp related issue, in mi new Windows Vista machine Gimp 2.6.7 crashes the graphic card driver a lot when I activate a selection markee. When I activate a selection markee the graphics driver starts to have problems and starts to flicker and shortly after that the Nvidia cards reports to me that the graphics system has crashed and that it has been recovered. Luckily this recovery system seems to be pretty solid in my graphics card system otherwise I would have a lot of Vista crashes because of this. I Have Windows Vista Ultimate 64 Bit running in a Intel core i7 CPU and two Evga 260 GTX graphic cards running in SLI mode with 12 gigas of DDR3 memory, when I first installed Gimp in this machine it crashed a lot when I tried to use color correction tools like Brighness and Contrast adjustments, as soon as I tried to use one of those Gimp crashed but when it was updated to version 2.6.7 that was totally fixed (that bug was giving a lot of people problems cause I found out online) but I still have the selection markee issue that makes the graphic system unstable quickly, any ideas about what could be causing this? In my XP machines it works just fine. >"I personally, deffinitely prefer the Gimp being a program that always shows >as a single entry in the taskbar that's really my main concern, it's just >easier to manage single entry programs with a multiple applications workflow." > > >But GIMP 2.7 solve that. Maybe you don't use 2.7. A single entry in >taskbar and when the canvas window is minimized all other utility >windows are minimized too. > > >2009/9/6 Ramon Miranda <mirandagraphic@...>: >> David G said >>>always opened like this and Gimp already has the ability to save it's >>> layout too. Photoshop allowed this >>>perfectly and still was a single window program. >> >> i would like to have also the ability so save my workspace and change >> "inside" the gimp from. for example. paint workspace to a "photoretouch" >> space . instead having different sessionrc and quiting gimp to change the >> workspace. i hope you will understand me. >> >> 2009/9/6 David G. <forums@...> >>> >>> >I like modular structures becouse they allows more custom changes. So >>> > this >>> >way you can change your layout of panels. But if all it would be in a >>> single >>> >window , ithink lot of users would thanks that. becouse i hear a >>> >Gimp is nice , but his gui is ugly and uncomfortable.i don?t like to see >>> > a >>> >lot of panels flying through my desktop" >>> > >>> >Lets give it a try to a single window mode >>> > >>> >2009/9/5 Martin Nordholts <enselic@...> >>> > >>> >> On 09/05/2009 06:22 PM, Richard Nespithal wrote: >>> >> >> A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release >>> >> > is it possible, to switch back to multi-window mode in 2.8? >>> >> >>> >> That is not really relevant to this thread. >>> >> (But yes of course it will be possible.) >>> >> >>> >> / Martin >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> >>> >> My GIMP Blog: >>> >> http://www.chromecode.com/ >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Gimp-developer mailing list >>> >> Gimp-developer@... >>> >> https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> I don't know why people mention so much that if you create a single >>> window >>> Gimp that that it will not allow you to put your tools in a second >>> because I used Photoshop also many times and despite it being a single >>> window >>> program it allows you to put the toolbox and the parameter windows (or at >>> least it did in some older versions) in a separate monitor and leave the >>> main >>> program window all for editing pictures if that's what people wanted. You >>> coul >>> also save the workspace layout so Photoshop always opened like this and >>> Gimp >>> already has the ability to save it's layout too. Photoshop allowed this >>> perfectly and still was a single window program. >>> >>> If that's the concern of people then perhaps Gimp should become a single >>> windows program that allows this, that allows you to put the toolbox and >>> the >>> right utilities window in a separate monitor while still preserving a >>> single >>> box or entry in the taskbar. In my opinion having a single entry in the >>> taskbar is much better because it's far less messy, the biggest problem >>> with >>> the multiple entries interface is that some people seem to think that >>> everybody opens Gimp only here and there and ocasioanlly and they are not >>> thinking of the profesional users that use Gimp seriously (and yes it is a >>> powerfull program already and it can be used seriously) and some people >>> seem >>> to be forgetting that some people like me for example many, many times >>> have >>> several windows and applications running simultaneously and when I mean >>> several I mean a lot, I find myself many times with 10 or 12 aplications >>> and/or utilities or more open at the same time (with todays memorys and >>> CPU >>> power this is very possible and more common than some people think) and >>> switching among them and believe me this is not uncommon for >>> artists that are jumping from 3D to illustration to bitmap editor, video >>> editing, Flash and/or a web page layout program or even more programs back >>> and >>> fort like a carrousel. In todays workflow you can find many users that >>> work >>> just like that instead of the persons that just open a bitmap editor >>> ocasionally and the issue is that when you have a lot of windows of >>> different >>> programs open at the same time a program like Gimp can become a mess in >>> the >>> task bar in MS Windows or even in other Operating Systems. Sometimes when >>> I'm >>> working like that the taskbar is so full that it creates a second entry >>> line >>> and you have to switch between the first line of items or entries in the >>> task >>> bar and the secong and with Gimps it gets sort of confusing or anoying in >>> that >>> situation and I use Blender too which creates a second window for the >>> command >>> window and many times a third windows for the rendering window and then >>> you >>> get a mess. Programs that have a single entry in the task bar are far >>> better >>> for this type of workflow, they are easier to manage. >>> >>> Maybe the Gimp team should make a survey to see how many people prefer >>> single entry or single window program over the multiple ones. This issue >>> of >>> too many windows have been a source of complain of many, many Gimp users >>> for >>> long years and I think that it would be foolhardy to ignore and at the >>> very >>> least the Gimp team should consider making a survey to see how many people >>> prefer the single window interface but remember what I told you at first >>> about >>> being able to put the toolbox pane and the right pane in other monitors >>> despite the program being single window or single entry program. >>> >>> I think that part of the confussion comes precisely from the fact that the >>> issue of being a single window program and a program that has a single >>> entry >>> in the task bar are really two separate things. >>> >>> I personally, deffinitely prefer the Gimp being a program that always >>> shows >>> as a single entry in the taskbar that's really my main concern, it's just >>> easier to manage single entry programs with a multiple applications >>> workflow. >>> >>> -- >>> David G. (via www.gimpusers.com) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gimp-developer mailing list >>> Gimp-developer@... >>> https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer >> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________ >> Ramon Miranda >> http://ramonmirandavisualart.blogspot.com >> http://code.google.com/p/gps-gimp-paint-studio/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gimp-developer mailing list >> Gimp-developer@... >> https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer >> >> > > > > -- David G. (via www.gimpusers.com) _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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Re: We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
by peter sikking
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Liam wrote:
> Right now gimp is broken for working on multiple projects (the > file/save changes have rendered it too hard to keep track of > where images are being "exported") but the use case is central > (I think) to how "single window" needs to work. OK, I am listening. can you explain to me how this worked better in 2.6? thanks, --ps founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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Re: I only have Gimp 2.6.7 binaries
by SorinN
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yep - we have here 2 separated points
Vista GIMP Vista - it's a problem for Microsoft too not only for users - maybe for a simple user (mails, internet, office programs) Vista is just perfect, but when you have to use Vista for more serious tasks, many peoples feels like you -> Vista = problems where XP was OK. Especially with graphic drivers Vista count a lot of holes - ask gamers... So is not a GIMP problem. GIMP use GTK (for windows) which should work OK with Vista. Anyway this is not a GIMP problem. I revert my second OS back to XP too (first is Ubuntu). About GIMP 2.7 - I put GIMP 2.7 for windows on a web space - you can download and try it from here : http://www.lady-anion.com/gimp-2.7.0-i686-setup.exe Because is a development release - in Windows, the text tool (yep there are a direct text tool as in Photoshop) can crash your GIMP so be aware. 2009/9/7 David G. <forums@...>: > To SorinN: I use Windows (Vista 64 bit and XP) and I only have Gimp 2.6.7 so > far which is the one that is available for Windows now, if Gimp 2.7 creates a > single entry in the taskbar and all the Windows minimize when you minimize one > that's great for me, the multiple windows thing and being able to put them > anywhere you want doesn't bother me, like I said it's just that I think that a > single entry in the task bar becomes much easier to manage in a multi > application workflow. Again if Gimp 2.7 fixes this that will be great. > > In another Gimp related issue, in mi new Windows Vista machine Gimp 2.6.7 > crashes the graphic card driver a lot when I activate a selection markee. When > I activate a selection markee the graphics driver starts to have problems and > starts to flicker and shortly after that the Nvidia cards reports to me that > the graphics system has crashed and that it has been recovered. Luckily this > recovery system seems to be pretty solid in my graphics card system otherwise > I would have a lot of Vista crashes because of this. I Have Windows Vista > Ultimate 64 Bit running in a Intel core i7 CPU and two Evga 260 GTX graphic > cards running in SLI mode with 12 gigas of DDR3 memory, when I first installed > Gimp in this machine it crashed a lot when I tried to use color correction > tools like Brighness and Contrast adjustments, as soon as I tried to use one > of those Gimp crashed but when it was updated to version 2.6.7 that was > totally fixed (that bug was giving a lot of people problems cause I found out > online) but I still have the selection markee issue that makes the graphic > system unstable quickly, any ideas about what could be causing this? In my XP > machines it works just fine. > >>"I personally, deffinitely prefer the Gimp being a program that always > shows >>as a single entry in the taskbar that's really my main concern, it's just >>easier to manage single entry programs with a multiple applications > workflow." >> >> >>But GIMP 2.7 solve that. Maybe you don't use 2.7. A single entry in >>taskbar and when the canvas window is minimized all other utility >>windows are minimized too. >> >> >>2009/9/6 Ramon Miranda <mirandagraphic@...>: >>> David G said >>>>always opened like this and Gimp already has the ability to save it's >>>> layout too. Photoshop allowed this >>>>perfectly and still was a single window program. >>> >>> i would like to have also the ability so save my workspace and change >>> "inside" the gimp from. for example. paint workspace to a "photoretouch" >>> space . instead having different sessionrc and quiting gimp to change the >>> workspace. i hope you will understand me. >>> >>> 2009/9/6 David G. <forums@...> >>>> >>>> >I like modular structures becouse they allows more custom changes. So >>>> > this >>>> >way you can change your layout of panels. But if all it would be in a >>>> single >>>> >window , ithink lot of users would thanks that. becouse i hear a > lot..." >>>> >Gimp is nice , but his gui is ugly and uncomfortable.i don?t like to > see >>>> > a >>>> >lot of panels flying through my desktop" >>>> > >>>> >Lets give it a try to a single window mode >>>> > >>>> >2009/9/5 Martin Nordholts <enselic@...> >>>> > >>>> >> On 09/05/2009 06:22 PM, Richard Nespithal wrote: >>>> >> >> A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release >>>> >> > is it possible, to switch back to multi-window mode in 2.8? >>>> >> >>>> >> That is not really relevant to this thread. >>>> >> (But yes of course it will be possible.) >>>> >> >>>> >> / Martin >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> >>>> >> My GIMP Blog: >>>> >> http://www.chromecode.com/ >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Gimp-developer mailing list >>>> >> Gimp-developer@... >>>> >> https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> I don't know why people mention so much that if you create a single >>>> window >>>> Gimp that that it will not allow you to put your tools in a second > monitor >>>> because I used Photoshop also many times and despite it being a single >>>> window >>>> program it allows you to put the toolbox and the parameter windows (or > at >>>> least it did in some older versions) in a separate monitor and leave the >>>> main >>>> program window all for editing pictures if that's what people wanted. > You >>>> coul >>>> also save the workspace layout so Photoshop always opened like this and >>>> Gimp >>>> already has the ability to save it's layout too. Photoshop allowed this >>>> perfectly and still was a single window program. >>>> >>>> If that's the concern of people then perhaps Gimp should become a > single >>>> windows program that allows this, that allows you to put the toolbox and >>>> the >>>> right utilities window in a separate monitor while still preserving a >>>> single >>>> box or entry in the taskbar. In my opinion having a single entry in the >>>> taskbar is much better because it's far less messy, the biggest problem >>>> with >>>> the multiple entries interface is that some people seem to think that >>>> everybody opens Gimp only here and there and ocasioanlly and they are > not >>>> thinking of the profesional users that use Gimp seriously (and yes it is > a >>>> powerfull program already and it can be used seriously) and some people >>>> seem >>>> to be forgetting that some people like me for example many, many times >>>> have >>>> several windows and applications running simultaneously and when I mean >>>> several I mean a lot, I find myself many times with 10 or 12 aplications >>>> and/or utilities or more open at the same time (with todays memorys and >>>> CPU >>>> power this is very possible and more common than some people think) and >>>> switching among them and believe me this is not uncommon for > professional >>>> artists that are jumping from 3D to illustration to bitmap editor, video >>>> editing, Flash and/or a web page layout program or even more programs > back >>>> and >>>> fort like a carrousel. In todays workflow you can find many users that >>>> work >>>> just like that instead of the persons that just open a bitmap editor >>>> ocasionally and the issue is that when you have a lot of windows of >>>> different >>>> programs open at the same time a program like Gimp can become a mess in >>>> the >>>> task bar in MS Windows or even in other Operating Systems. Sometimes > when >>>> I'm >>>> working like that the taskbar is so full that it creates a second entry >>>> line >>>> and you have to switch between the first line of items or entries in the >>>> task >>>> bar and the secong and with Gimps it gets sort of confusing or anoying > in >>>> that >>>> situation and I use Blender too which creates a second window for the >>>> command >>>> window and many times a third windows for the rendering window and then >>>> you >>>> get a mess. Programs that have a single entry in the task bar are far >>>> better >>>> for this type of workflow, they are easier to manage. >>>> >>>> Maybe the Gimp team should make a survey to see how many people prefer > the >>>> single entry or single window program over the multiple ones. This issue >>>> of >>>> too many windows have been a source of complain of many, many Gimp users >>>> for >>>> long years and I think that it would be foolhardy to ignore and at the >>>> very >>>> least the Gimp team should consider making a survey to see how many > people >>>> prefer the single window interface but remember what I told you at first >>>> about >>>> being able to put the toolbox pane and the right pane in other monitors >>>> despite the program being single window or single entry program. >>>> >>>> I think that part of the confussion comes precisely from the fact that > the >>>> issue of being a single window program and a program that has a single >>>> entry >>>> in the task bar are really two separate things. >>>> >>>> I personally, deffinitely prefer the Gimp being a program that always >>>> shows >>>> as a single entry in the taskbar that's really my main concern, it's > just >>>> easier to manage single entry programs with a multiple applications >>>> workflow. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> David G. (via www.gimpusers.com) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gimp-developer mailing list >>>> Gimp-developer@... >>>> https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________ >>> Ramon Miranda >>> http://ramonmirandavisualart.blogspot.com >>> http://code.google.com/p/gps-gimp-paint-studio/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gimp-developer mailing list >>> Gimp-developer@... >>> https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > -- > David G. (via www.gimpusers.com) > _______________________________________________ > Gimp-developer mailing list > Gimp-developer@... > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer > -- Nemes Ioan Sorin _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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Re: I only have Gimp 2.6.7 binaries
by Jernej Simončič
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On Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:56:40, David G. wrote:
> In another Gimp related issue, in mi new Windows Vista machine Gimp 2.6.7 > crashes the graphic card driver a lot when I activate a selection markee. When > I activate a selection markee the graphics driver starts to have problems and > starts to flicker and shortly after that the Nvidia cards reports to me that > the graphics system has crashed and that it has been recovered. Are you using the latest drivers from www.nvidia.com? Anyway, even if you are, this is not GIMP's fault, but a problem in the driver itself. BTW, there is a GIMP 2.7.0 installer for Windows on SourceForge. -- < Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< http://eternallybored.org/ > It is better to have a horrible ending than to have horrors without end. -- Matsch's Law _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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Re: We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
by Alexandre Prokoudine
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On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote:
> We are making pretty good progress towards GIMP 2.8 which has turned > into an "everything but GEGL" release. I think it would make sense to > also go for a single-window mode in 2.8 and not 2.10 as originally > planned. > > By doing this we will be able to focus all resources on integrating > GEGL once 2.8 is released. Integrating GEGL will require rather big > changes to the code base, and I don't think having one guy working in > parallel on another feature that requires big code changes is a good > idea. > > A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release, > with both layer-groups and a single-window mode, none of which were > originally planned for 2.8. > > I intend to start working on this asap, and peter will work on a UI > spec as soon as he gets time. If you have objections, please speak up. Martin, there always will be different opinions on the matter. The best you can do it write such a great patch that rejecting will be as wrong as genocide :) Alexandre _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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Re: I only have Gimp 2.6.7 binaries
by Michael Schumacher
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> Von: "David G." <forums@...>
> In another Gimp related issue, in mi new Windows Vista machine Gimp 2.6.7 > crashes the graphic card driver a lot when I activate a selection markee. Nvidia has corrected the bug in at least some of their drivers, you might want to check for updates. I think that it had been XP in the cases I've read about, though. On a side note, I had a very hard time convincing users that this kind of problem (display flickers when using a selection in GIMP with a very specific Nvidia card, and others don't have the same problem) is something that should be reported to Nvidia. They insisted that the problem has to be in GIMP... Don't be afraid to send reports about bug you've encountered to any company, insitution, service, ... . If they never hear about it, they can't fix it. HTH, Michael -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
by Bill Y.
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Whatever you guys do. Please make it work with KDE kwin windows manager. The
current UI doesn't work with Kwin or Compiz. The windows (toolbox and layerbox) won't stay on top if the behavior set to utility window. So hoping for overall better interface :) Best of luck. Regards -- Shashwat (via www.gimpusers.com) _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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Re: We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
by Martin Nordholts-2
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On 09/07/2009 07:07 PM, Shashwat wrote:
> Whatever you guys do. Please make it work with KDE kwin windows manager. The > current UI doesn't work with Kwin or Compiz. You'll have to file a bug report with those window managers, there's nothing GIMP can sensibly do about them not supporting the utility window hint in a sane way BR, Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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Re: We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
by Monty Montgomery-2
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No objections--- mostly I would urge developers to plan what they're
going to do, make the changes, and stick to it. I know that's always been the plan but it doesn't feel like it when you're using the different versions. The random UI changes that appear in each release throw off folks who use the Gimp day to day and have to keep relearning behaviors that they are comfortable with or have become muscle memory over years. It would be like ^x being remapped in every release of emacs. Sure the original isn't intuitive but it's far more important to JUST STOP CHANGING IT. :-) All the window wanking with different UI/WM behavior in every version is just starting to feel like destructive churn :-( I know there are reasons, I'm just saying keep it in mind as one more competetive pressure. Monty _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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Re: We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
by Alexia Death-2
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On Monday 07 September 2009 20:13:23 Martin Nordholts wrote:
> On 09/07/2009 07:07 PM, Shashwat wrote: > > Whatever you guys do. Please make it work with KDE kwin windows manager. > > The current UI doesn't work with Kwin or Compiz. > > You'll have to file a bug report with those window managers, there's > nothing GIMP can sensibly do about them not supporting the utility window > hint in a sane way There actually is a bug report about it against kwin. However kwin/KDE developers do not consider it a bug, but more like a wish list item and cant be bothered about implementing it. Another complaining voice might perhaps get someone interested. --Alexia _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@... https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer |
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