WebDAV with Windows Vista

[Konstantin Breu]

Hello,

@Mac/Linux users: I am sorry for asking **windows** specific questions here.
Just stop reading... ;-)

I have a WebDAV server (J2EE based), there is no problem to use it with
Windows Explorer (via Network Resource), Internet Explorer (via open page as
Web folder), Office 2003/2007 when using Windows XP SP2.

But so far I did not have any success when trying the same with Windows
Vista. Windows Explorer cannot create the connection (but it is doing
requests to the server), Internet Explorer only offers to open it as web
page (GET). Office 2007 also only does GET, when I try to access the folders
an files in the file open dialog. If I enter there a folder address
(http://.....), it then does a GET against that address, and opens that as
"document" in Word etc...

My question to the list: is there somebody, who was able to use Windows
Explorer/Internet Explorer/Office 2007 (or an older version) with Windows
Vista as WebDAV client? Are there special settings for the client side, or
additional installations, which I have to do? Or are there some additional
requirements for the server, which Vista needs? (for example support of some
Properties, Http headers, Authentication method,...) You could also send me
communication logs, if your server works with Vista, and you do not know
why.... ;)

If there is somebody, who has the same problem: you can also drop me a line,
then I could give you some hints when I have found out more... Of course I
also searched in the internet for information... I found descriptions of
such problems, some people were describing workarounds, but so far these
workarounds did not help me...

I will also get into contact with Microsoft support, but this will take some
longer time, as I or my chief will have to pay for it. I will also do tests
with other clients (for example WebDrive), and other servers (for example
Slide, Tomcat), to see how they are working when the client OS is Vista...

Cheers,
Konstantin

P.S. I was testing so far with Vista Business, but I have access to all
versions.

[Joe Feise]

On Tue, March 13, 2007 06:46, Konstantin Breu wrote:
> My question to the list: is there somebody, who was able to use Windows
> Explorer/Internet Explorer/Office 2007 (or an older version) with Windows
> Vista as WebDAV client?

Works fine here with IE 7, in my Vista virtual machine, connecting to a
commercial WebDAV server. Nothing special needs to be done.
I am running Vista Ultimate under VMWare.

-Joe

[Kevin Wiggen]

Basically MS removed the "webfolders" client in Vista and now only has
the mini-redirector (XP had BOTH and different version depending on
whether Office was installed).

http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/21946-webdav-web-folder-clie
nt-msdaipp-dll-supported-vista.html

There are 2 shortcomings of the redirector spoken about here (note that
this is just to get the client to connect, once its connected I cannot
speak to other problems):

1)  The client requires the ability to OPTION / (not always true)
2)  The client will try to walk the chain from / to the mount point
(there are many reasons the client couldn't do this including security).


However if I try to mount /Kevin on a server (and have access to do so),
it will connect.

Also interesting that some of my follow-up comments were deleted from
the forum.  I guess someone didn't like the extended information I gave
:)

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-dist-auth-request@... [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@...]
On Behalf Of Konstantin Breu
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:46 AM
To: w3c-dist-auth@...
Subject: WebDAV with Windows Vista


Hello,

@Mac/Linux users: I am sorry for asking **windows** specific questions
here.
Just stop reading... ;-)

I have a WebDAV server (J2EE based), there is no problem to use it with
Windows Explorer (via Network Resource), Internet Explorer (via open
page as
Web folder), Office 2003/2007 when using Windows XP SP2.

But so far I did not have any success when trying the same with Windows
Vista. Windows Explorer cannot create the connection (but it is doing
requests to the server), Internet Explorer only offers to open it as web
page (GET). Office 2007 also only does GET, when I try to access the
folders
an files in the file open dialog. If I enter there a folder address
(http://.....), it then does a GET against that address, and opens that
as
"document" in Word etc...

My question to the list: is there somebody, who was able to use Windows
Explorer/Internet Explorer/Office 2007 (or an older version) with
Windows
Vista as WebDAV client? Are there special settings for the client side,
or
additional installations, which I have to do? Or are there some
additional
requirements for the server, which Vista needs? (for example support of
some
Properties, Http headers, Authentication method,...) You could also send
me
communication logs, if your server works with Vista, and you do not know
why.... ;)

If there is somebody, who has the same problem: you can also drop me a
line,
then I could give you some hints when I have found out more... Of course
I
also searched in the internet for information... I found descriptions of
such problems, some people were describing workarounds, but so far these
workarounds did not help me...

I will also get into contact with Microsoft support, but this will take
some
longer time, as I or my chief will have to pay for it. I will also do
tests
with other clients (for example WebDrive), and other servers (for
example
Slide, Tomcat), to see how they are working when the client OS is
Vista...

Cheers,
Konstantin

P.S. I was testing so far with Vista Business, but I have access to all
versions.

[Julian Reschke]

Kevin Wiggen schrieb:
> ...
> Also interesting that some of my follow-up comments were deleted from
> the forum.  I guess someone didn't like the extended information I gave
> :)
> ...


Maybe you want to repeat them over here :-)

Best regards, Julian

[Konstantin Breu]

> 1)  The client requires the ability to OPTION / (not always true)
> 2)  The client will try to walk the chain from / to the mount point
>  (there are many reasons the client couldn't do this including security).

I had seen that, too in my tests. And so enabled support for OPTION/PROPFIND
for / and the following directories up to my real WebDAV resources. So with
Windows XP I can access www.myserver.com/ as Webfolder or Webdav network
resource. But this alone did not help... all the http requests of the client
were answered correctly (according to RFC), but the client still did not
want to connect...

Btw, I saw the problem with OPTION / also in one situation when testing with
Office 2007 at Windows XP (when trying to update a file). Then Word displays
an error message...

Cheers,
Konstantin


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: w3c-dist-auth-request@... [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@...] Im
Auftrag von Kevin Wiggen
Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. März 2007 18:37
An: Konstantin Breu; w3c-dist-auth@...
Betreff: RE: WebDAV with Windows Vista


Basically MS removed the "webfolders" client in Vista and now only has
the mini-redirector (XP had BOTH and different version depending on
whether Office was installed).

http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/21946-webdav-web-folder-clie
nt-msdaipp-dll-supported-vista.html

There are 2 shortcomings of the redirector spoken about here (note that
this is just to get the client to connect, once its connected I cannot
speak to other problems):

1)  The client requires the ability to OPTION / (not always true)
2)  The client will try to walk the chain from / to the mount point
(there are many reasons the client couldn't do this including security).


However if I try to mount /Kevin on a server (and have access to do so),
it will connect.

Also interesting that some of my follow-up comments were deleted from
the forum.  I guess someone didn't like the extended information I gave
:)

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-dist-auth-request@... [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@...]
On Behalf Of Konstantin Breu
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:46 AM
To: w3c-dist-auth@...
Subject: WebDAV with Windows Vista


Hello,

@Mac/Linux users: I am sorry for asking **windows** specific questions
here.
Just stop reading... ;-)

I have a WebDAV server (J2EE based), there is no problem to use it with
Windows Explorer (via Network Resource), Internet Explorer (via open
page as
Web folder), Office 2003/2007 when using Windows XP SP2.

But so far I did not have any success when trying the same with Windows
Vista. Windows Explorer cannot create the connection (but it is doing
requests to the server), Internet Explorer only offers to open it as web
page (GET). Office 2007 also only does GET, when I try to access the
folders
an files in the file open dialog. If I enter there a folder address
(http://.....), it then does a GET against that address, and opens that
as
"document" in Word etc...

My question to the list: is there somebody, who was able to use Windows
Explorer/Internet Explorer/Office 2007 (or an older version) with
Windows
Vista as WebDAV client? Are there special settings for the client side,
or
additional installations, which I have to do? Or are there some
additional
requirements for the server, which Vista needs? (for example support of
some
Properties, Http headers, Authentication method,...) You could also send
me
communication logs, if your server works with Vista, and you do not know
why.... ;)

If there is somebody, who has the same problem: you can also drop me a
line,
then I could give you some hints when I have found out more... Of course
I
also searched in the internet for information... I found descriptions of
such problems, some people were describing workarounds, but so far these
workarounds did not help me...

I will also get into contact with Microsoft support, but this will take
some
longer time, as I or my chief will have to pay for it. I will also do
tests
with other clients (for example WebDrive), and other servers (for
example
Slide, Tomcat), to see how they are working when the client OS is
Vista...

Cheers,
Konstantin

P.S. I was testing so far with Vista Business, but I have access to all
versions.

[Konstantin Breu]

Hello,

> http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/21946-webdav-web-folder-clie
> nt-msdaipp-dll-supported-vista.html

I have posted there now, too:
http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/48154-webdav-support.html
I tried all workarounds posted in the forum in different topics. None of
them worked with my test client...

My first tests were with Vista Business - there I did not see any client
server requests when trying to get the network resource connection to the
webdav site. This was different with Vista Ultimate. There the client did
requests, but then still could not create the connection. I've done the test
now also with the webdav function offered by Apache Tomcat. It's just the
same. It works when the client is running at Windows XP, it does not work
with client running Vista...

Btw, they have a similar "Windows client workaround" like my webdav server:
http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40160

Well now... according to the answers in this list it works at some Vista
clients of some persons. But when looking to the webdav questions at
http://www.vista64.net it does not work at every client. I will try now to
get better information from Microsoft support (to get some answer like "we
know the problem, it will be fixed with patch xyz"). Is anyone in this list
interested in that? Then I will post it here.

Cheers,
Konstantin



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: w3c-dist-auth-request@... [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@...] Im
Auftrag von Kevin Wiggen
Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. März 2007 18:37
An: Konstantin Breu; w3c-dist-auth@...
Betreff: RE: WebDAV with Windows Vista


Basically MS removed the "webfolders" client in Vista and now only has
the mini-redirector (XP had BOTH and different version depending on
whether Office was installed).

http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/21946-webdav-web-folder-clie
nt-msdaipp-dll-supported-vista.html

There are 2 shortcomings of the redirector spoken about here (note that
this is just to get the client to connect, once its connected I cannot
speak to other problems):

1)  The client requires the ability to OPTION / (not always true)
2)  The client will try to walk the chain from / to the mount point
(there are many reasons the client couldn't do this including security).


However if I try to mount /Kevin on a server (and have access to do so),
it will connect.

Also interesting that some of my follow-up comments were deleted from
the forum.  I guess someone didn't like the extended information I gave
:)

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-dist-auth-request@... [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@...]
On Behalf Of Konstantin Breu
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:46 AM
To: w3c-dist-auth@...
Subject: WebDAV with Windows Vista


Hello,

@Mac/Linux users: I am sorry for asking **windows** specific questions
here.
Just stop reading... ;-)

I have a WebDAV server (J2EE based), there is no problem to use it with
Windows Explorer (via Network Resource), Internet Explorer (via open
page as
Web folder), Office 2003/2007 when using Windows XP SP2.

But so far I did not have any success when trying the same with Windows
Vista. Windows Explorer cannot create the connection (but it is doing
requests to the server), Internet Explorer only offers to open it as web
page (GET). Office 2007 also only does GET, when I try to access the
folders
an files in the file open dialog. If I enter there a folder address
(http://.....), it then does a GET against that address, and opens that
as
"document" in Word etc...

My question to the list: is there somebody, who was able to use Windows
Explorer/Internet Explorer/Office 2007 (or an older version) with
Windows
Vista as WebDAV client? Are there special settings for the client side,
or
additional installations, which I have to do? Or are there some
additional
requirements for the server, which Vista needs? (for example support of
some
Properties, Http headers, Authentication method,...) You could also send
me
communication logs, if your server works with Vista, and you do not know
why.... ;)

If there is somebody, who has the same problem: you can also drop me a
line,
then I could give you some hints when I have found out more... Of course
I
also searched in the internet for information... I found descriptions of
such problems, some people were describing workarounds, but so far these
workarounds did not help me...

I will also get into contact with Microsoft support, but this will take
some
longer time, as I or my chief will have to pay for it. I will also do
tests
with other clients (for example WebDrive), and other servers (for
example
Slide, Tomcat), to see how they are working when the client OS is
Vista...

Cheers,
Konstantin

P.S. I was testing so far with Vista Business, but I have access to all
versions.

[Julian Reschke]

Konstantin Breu schrieb:

> Hello,
>
>> http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/21946-webdav-web-folder-clie
>> nt-msdaipp-dll-supported-vista.html
>
> I have posted there now, too:
> http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/48154-webdav-support.html
> I tried all workarounds posted in the forum in different topics. None of
> them worked with my test client...
>
> My first tests were with Vista Business - there I did not see any client
> server requests when trying to get the network resource connection to the
> webdav site. This was different with Vista Ultimate. There the client did
> requests, but then still could not create the connection. I've done the test
> now also with the webdav function offered by Apache Tomcat. It's just the
> same. It works when the client is running at Windows XP, it does not work
> with client running Vista...
>
> Btw, they have a similar "Windows client workaround" like my webdav server:
> http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40160
>
> Well now... according to the answers in this list it works at some Vista
> clients of some persons. But when looking to the webdav questions at
> http://www.vista64.net it does not work at every client. I will try now to
> get better information from Microsoft support (to get some answer like "we
> know the problem, it will be fixed with patch xyz"). Is anyone in this list
> interested in that? Then I will post it here.

Of course we are interested. Good luck with Microsoft -- in the past
years we've reported lots of issues, and almost never got a satisfying
response (yes, with paid support).

Best regards, Julian

[Erik Renes]

Hi,

I looked around on the web a bit and found a workaround that might work:
http://www.schiller.cc/blog/2007/01/29/bug-in-vistas-webdav-implementation

The steps:
   1.  Go to “Add a Network Location…”
   2. Insert your webdav ressource in the following format:
“\\mywebdav.server@SSL\dav“, insert (if applicable) your username by
“Connect using a different username” - and now, your shared folder
should appear :)

Hope it helps :)

Regards,
Erik

----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: Konstantin Breu <Konstantin.Breu@...>
Datum: donderdag, maart 15, 2007 10:24 am
Onderwerp: AW: WebDAV with Windows Vista

>
> Hello,
>
> > http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/21946-webdav-web-
> folder-clie
> > nt-msdaipp-dll-supported-vista.html
>
> I have posted there now, too:
> http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/48154-webdav-support.html
> I tried all workarounds posted in the forum in different topics.
> None of
> them worked with my test client...
>
> My first tests were with Vista Business - there I did not see any
> clientserver requests when trying to get the network resource
> connection to the
> webdav site. This was different with Vista Ultimate. There the
> client did
> requests, but then still could not create the connection. I've done
> the test
> now also with the webdav function offered by Apache Tomcat. It's
> just the
> same. It works when the client is running at Windows XP, it does
> not work
> with client running Vista...
>
> Btw, they have a similar "Windows client workaround" like my webdav
> server:http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40160
>
> Well now... according to the answers in this list it works at some
> Vistaclients of some persons. But when looking to the webdav
> questions at
> http://www.vista64.net it does not work at every client. I will try
> now to
> get better information from Microsoft support (to get some answer
> like "we
> know the problem, it will be fixed with patch xyz"). Is anyone in
> this list
> interested in that? Then I will post it here.
>
> Cheers,
> Konstantin
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: w3c-dist-auth-request@... [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-
> request@...] Im
> Auftrag von Kevin Wiggen
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. März 2007 18:37
> An: Konstantin Breu; w3c-dist-auth@...
> Betreff: RE: WebDAV with Windows Vista
>
>
> Basically MS removed the "webfolders" client in Vista and now only has
> the mini-redirector (XP had BOTH and different version depending on
> whether Office was installed).
>
> http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/21946-webdav-web-folder-
> client-msdaipp-dll-supported-vista.html
>
> There are 2 shortcomings of the redirector spoken about here (note
> thatthis is just to get the client to connect, once its connected I
> cannotspeak to other problems):
>
> 1)  The client requires the ability to OPTION / (not always true)
> 2)  The client will try to walk the chain from / to the mount point
> (there are many reasons the client couldn't do this including
> security).
>
> However if I try to mount /Kevin on a server (and have access to do
> so),it will connect.
>
> Also interesting that some of my follow-up comments were deleted from
> the forum.  I guess someone didn't like the extended information I
> gave:)
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-dist-auth-request@... [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-
> request@...]On Behalf Of Konstantin Breu
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:46 AM
> To: w3c-dist-auth@...
> Subject: WebDAV with Windows Vista
>
>
> Hello,
>
> @Mac/Linux users: I am sorry for asking **windows** specific questions
> here.
> Just stop reading... ;-)
>
> I have a WebDAV server (J2EE based), there is no problem to use it
> withWindows Explorer (via Network Resource), Internet Explorer (via
> openpage as
> Web folder), Office 2003/2007 when using Windows XP SP2.
>
> But so far I did not have any success when trying the same with
> WindowsVista. Windows Explorer cannot create the connection (but it
> is doing
> requests to the server), Internet Explorer only offers to open it
> as web
> page (GET). Office 2007 also only does GET, when I try to access the
> folders
> an files in the file open dialog. If I enter there a folder address
> (http://.....), it then does a GET against that address, and opens
> thatas
> "document" in Word etc...
>
> My question to the list: is there somebody, who was able to use
> WindowsExplorer/Internet Explorer/Office 2007 (or an older version)
> withWindows
> Vista as WebDAV client? Are there special settings for the client
> side,or
> additional installations, which I have to do? Or are there some
> additional
> requirements for the server, which Vista needs? (for example
> support of
> some
> Properties, Http headers, Authentication method,...) You could also
> sendme
> communication logs, if your server works with Vista, and you do not
> knowwhy.... ;)
>
> If there is somebody, who has the same problem: you can also drop
> me a
> line,
> then I could give you some hints when I have found out more... Of
> courseI
> also searched in the internet for information... I found
> descriptions of
> such problems, some people were describing workarounds, but so far
> theseworkarounds did not help me...
>
> I will also get into contact with Microsoft support, but this will
> takesome
> longer time, as I or my chief will have to pay for it. I will also do
> tests
> with other clients (for example WebDrive), and other servers (for
> example
> Slide, Tomcat), to see how they are working when the client OS is
> Vista...
>
> Cheers,
> Konstantin
>
> P.S. I was testing so far with Vista Business, but I have access to
> allversions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Konstantin Breu]

Hello,
thanks, but it did not work at my test clients - I had already found that
page, too.. ;-)
here is a similar workaround:
http://www.vista64.net/forums/222300-post4.html 
http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/45252-vista-cant-use-http-web-fo
lders-webdav.html

Kind Regards,
Konstantin



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: keenriser@... [mailto:keenriser@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. März 2007 11:55
An: Konstantin Breu
Cc: 'Kevin Wiggen'; w3c-dist-auth@...
Betreff: Re: AW: WebDAV with Windows Vista

Hi,

I looked around on the web a bit and found a workaround that might work:
http://www.schiller.cc/blog/2007/01/29/bug-in-vistas-webdav-implementation

The steps:
   1.  Go to “Add a Network Location…”
   2. Insert your webdav ressource in the following format:
“\\mywebdav.server@SSL\dav“, insert (if applicable) your username by
“Connect using a different username” - and now, your shared folder
should appear :)

Hope it helps :)

Regards,
Erik

----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: Konstantin Breu <Konstantin.Breu@...>
Datum: donderdag, maart 15, 2007 10:24 am
Onderwerp: AW: WebDAV with Windows Vista

>
> Hello,
>
> > http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/21946-webdav-web-
> folder-clie
> > nt-msdaipp-dll-supported-vista.html
>
> I have posted there now, too:
> http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/48154-webdav-support.html
> I tried all workarounds posted in the forum in different topics.
> None of
> them worked with my test client...
>
> My first tests were with Vista Business - there I did not see any
> clientserver requests when trying to get the network resource
> connection to the
> webdav site. This was different with Vista Ultimate. There the
> client did
> requests, but then still could not create the connection. I've done
> the test
> now also with the webdav function offered by Apache Tomcat. It's
> just the
> same. It works when the client is running at Windows XP, it does
> not work
> with client running Vista...
>
> Btw, they have a similar "Windows client workaround" like my webdav
> server:http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40160
>
> Well now... according to the answers in this list it works at some
> Vistaclients of some persons. But when looking to the webdav
> questions at
> http://www.vista64.net it does not work at every client. I will try
> now to
> get better information from Microsoft support (to get some answer
> like "we
> know the problem, it will be fixed with patch xyz"). Is anyone in
> this list
> interested in that? Then I will post it here.
>
> Cheers,
> Konstantin
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: w3c-dist-auth-request@... [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-
> request@...] Im
> Auftrag von Kevin Wiggen
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. März 2007 18:37
> An: Konstantin Breu; w3c-dist-auth@...
> Betreff: RE: WebDAV with Windows Vista
>
>
> Basically MS removed the "webfolders" client in Vista and now only has
> the mini-redirector (XP had BOTH and different version depending on
> whether Office was installed).
>
> http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/21946-webdav-web-folder-
> client-msdaipp-dll-supported-vista.html
>
> There are 2 shortcomings of the redirector spoken about here (note
> thatthis is just to get the client to connect, once its connected I
> cannotspeak to other problems):
>
> 1)  The client requires the ability to OPTION / (not always true)
> 2)  The client will try to walk the chain from / to the mount point
> (there are many reasons the client couldn't do this including
> security).
>
> However if I try to mount /Kevin on a server (and have access to do
> so),it will connect.
>
> Also interesting that some of my follow-up comments were deleted from
> the forum.  I guess someone didn't like the extended information I
> gave:)
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-dist-auth-request@... [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-
> request@...]On Behalf Of Konstantin Breu
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:46 AM
> To: w3c-dist-auth@...
> Subject: WebDAV with Windows Vista
>
>
> Hello,
>
> @Mac/Linux users: I am sorry for asking **windows** specific questions
> here.
> Just stop reading... ;-)
>
> I have a WebDAV server (J2EE based), there is no problem to use it
> withWindows Explorer (via Network Resource), Internet Explorer (via
> openpage as
> Web folder), Office 2003/2007 when using Windows XP SP2.
>
> But so far I did not have any success when trying the same with
> WindowsVista. Windows Explorer cannot create the connection (but it
> is doing
> requests to the server), Internet Explorer only offers to open it
> as web
> page (GET). Office 2007 also only does GET, when I try to access the
> folders
> an files in the file open dialog. If I enter there a folder address
> (http://.....), it then does a GET against that address, and opens
> thatas
> "document" in Word etc...
>
> My question to the list: is there somebody, who was able to use
> WindowsExplorer/Internet Explorer/Office 2007 (or an older version)
> withWindows
> Vista as WebDAV client? Are there special settings for the client
> side,or
> additional installations, which I have to do? Or are there some
> additional
> requirements for the server, which Vista needs? (for example
> support of
> some
> Properties, Http headers, Authentication method,...) You could also
> sendme
> communication logs, if your server works with Vista, and you do not
> knowwhy.... ;)
>
> If there is somebody, who has the same problem: you can also drop
> me a
> line,
> then I could give you some hints when I have found out more... Of
> courseI
> also searched in the internet for information... I found
> descriptions of
> such problems, some people were describing workarounds, but so far
> theseworkarounds did not help me...
>
> I will also get into contact with Microsoft support, but this will
> takesome
> longer time, as I or my chief will have to pay for it. I will also do
> tests
> with other clients (for example WebDrive), and other servers (for
> example
> Slide, Tomcat), to see how they are working when the client OS is
> Vista...
>
> Cheers,
> Konstantin
>
> P.S. I was testing so far with Vista Business, but I have access to
> allversions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Cyrus Daboo-2]

Hi Konstantin,

--On March 15, 2007 10:24:59 AM +0100 Konstantin Breu
<Konstantin.Breu@...> wrote:

> My first tests were with Vista Business - there I did not see any client
> server requests when trying to get the network resource connection to the
> webdav site. This was different with Vista Ultimate. There the client did
> requests, but then still could not create the connection. I've done the
> test now also with the webdav function offered by Apache Tomcat. It's
> just the same. It works when the client is running at Windows XP, it does
> not work with client running Vista...

Could there be a firewall or some other network "security" turned on on
your Vista install that is blocking connections?

--
Cyrus Daboo

[Konstantin Breu]

Hello,

> Could there be a firewall or some other network "security" turned on on
> your Vista install that is blocking connections?

I think not... - 3rd party clients, like DriveOnWeb are working at the vista
machines, and also the XmlHttpRequest object can do all the WebDAV
communication. But I also switched off the Firewall of Vista, it did not
help. My Vista installations are "naked" installations of Ultimate/Business,
where I only did Windows Update + (optional) Installation of Office 2007.

If anyone has a system where it's working please send me the OPTIONS
response, if possible - maybe vista wants some special headers or values,
which my servers do not send... (MS-AUTHOR-VIA, DAV, Public, Allow...)

Cheers,
Konstantin


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: w3c-dist-auth-request@... [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@...] Im
Auftrag von Cyrus Daboo
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. März 2007 14:24
An: Konstantin Breu; 'Kevin Wiggen'; w3c-dist-auth@...
Betreff: Re: AW: WebDAV with Windows Vista


Hi Konstantin,

--On March 15, 2007 10:24:59 AM +0100 Konstantin Breu
<Konstantin.Breu@...> wrote:

> My first tests were with Vista Business - there I did not see any client
> server requests when trying to get the network resource connection to the
> webdav site. This was different with Vista Ultimate. There the client did
> requests, but then still could not create the connection. I've done the
> test now also with the webdav function offered by Apache Tomcat. It's
> just the same. It works when the client is running at Windows XP, it does
> not work with client running Vista...

Could there be a firewall or some other network "security" turned on on
your Vista install that is blocking connections?

--
Cyrus Daboo

[Kevin Wiggen]

Fun with Vista.  I am running Ultimate on my MAC!!!! :)

Mount with http://zerg/testser

One thread seems to do the options to /

OPTIONS / HTTP/1.1
translate: f
User-Agent: Microsoft-WebDAV-MiniRedir/6.0.6000
Host: zerg
Content-Length: 0
Connection: Keep-Alive

To this my server sends 401.  The client sends the exact same OPTONS request 8 times, every time Xythos responds:

HTTP/1.1 401 Unauthorized
Server: Apache-Coyote/1.1
WWW-Authenticate: BASIC realm="zerg"
WWW-Authenticate: Digest realm="zerg", stale=false, nonce="a9f913cb2047d78006409618d3c41f77", qop="auth", algorithm="MD5"
Cache-Control: no-cache
Pragma: no-cache
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:52:29 GMT
Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8
Content-Length: 187

<html><title>Error 401</title><body>
Error: 401
<BR><H1>Forbidden</H1><BR>That action is not authorized.  Please ensure that you are authenticated.<BR>
<p><p></p></p>
</body></html>

Finally a OPTIONS comes in that sends security:

OPTIONS / HTTP/1.1
translate: f
User-Agent: Microsoft-WebDAV-MiniRedir/6.0.6000
Host: zerg
Authorization: Digest username="testuser",realm="zerg",nonce="3e55e2b07924328e3e8c8c1510153347",uri="/",cnonce="11b27b4c6344cb7fc960b188486eb50e",nc=00000001,algorithm=MD5,response="2795d64e41bdac842e366f80292f33d6",qop="auth"
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Length: 0


And we respond with a 207:

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Server: Apache-Coyote/1.1
Set-Cookie: XythosSessionID1=[B@8ab08f-1143118060; Expires=Fri, 16-Mar-2007 15:52:37 GMT; Path=/
DAV: 1,2, access-control, ticket, version-control
MS-Author-Via: DAV
Allow: OPTIONS, PROPFIND, PROPPATCH, LOCK, UNLOCK, DELETE, GET, HEAD, MOVE, COPY, ACL, SEARCH
DASL: <DAV:basicsearch>
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Xythos-WFS-Version: Xythos WebFile Server 6.0.43.2
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 0
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:52:36 GMT


Then in a different thread (or at least socket connection) the PROPFINDS start coming

PROPFIND /testuser HTTP/1.1
Content-Length: 0
Depth: 0
translate: f
User-Agent: Microsoft-WebDAV-MiniRedir/6.0.6000
Host: zerg
Connection: Keep-Alive

2 of these before it actually sends the security across (so we are 401)

PROPFIND /testuser HTTP/1.1
Content-Length: 0
Depth: 0
translate: f
User-Agent: Microsoft-WebDAV-MiniRedir/6.0.6000
Host: zerg
Connection: Keep-Alive
Authorization: Digest username="testuser",realm="zerg",nonce="fd1c548507916a8357033e683637ecb8",uri="/testuser",cnonce="09531995e94a0c4854bf26b2d8b94588",nc=00000001,algorithm=MD5,response="5f7a62f219add0be995bca7d6d3e21b5",qop="auth"

To which we give the 207

HTTP/1.1 207 Multi-Status
Server: Apache-Coyote/1.1
Set-Cookie: XythosSessionID1=[B@8ab08f-1143118060; Expires=Fri, 16-Mar-2007 15:52:37 GMT; Path=/
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:52:36 GMT
Content-Type: text/xml;charset=UTF-8
Content-Length: 1227

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
<D:multistatus xmlns:D="DAV:" xmlns:XS="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:XSI="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:SOAP-ENC="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/encoding/" xmlns:b="urn:uuid:c2f41010-65b3-11d1-a29f-00aa00c14882/" >
<D:response xmlns:ns-1="http://www.xythos.com/namespaces/StorageServer">
<D:href>http://zerg/testuser/</D:href>
     <D:propstat>
        <D:prop>
<D:creationdate b:dt="dateTime.tz">2007-02-13T00:54:06Z</D:creationdate>
<D:lockdiscovery></D:lockdiscovery>
<D:displayname><![CDATA[testuser]]></D:displayname>
<D:resourcetype><D:collection/></D:resourcetype>
<D:getlastmodified b:dt="dateTime.rfc1123">Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:45:08 GMT</D:getlastmodified>
<D:supportedlock><D:lockentry><D:lockscope><D:exclusive/></D:lockscope><D:locktype><D:write/></D:locktype></D:lockentry><D:lockentry><D:lockscope><D:shared/></D:lockscope><D:locktype><D:write/></D:locktype></D:lockentry></D:supportedlock>
<ns-1:sharefromstestuser_x0040_1_x003a_1001 XSI:type="XS:string"><![CDATA[]]></ns-1:sharefromstestuser_x0040_1_x003a_1001>
       </D:prop>
       <D:status>HTTP/1.1 200 OK</D:status>
     </D:propstat>
</D:response>
</D:multistatus>

It then does a PROPFIND to /

PROPFIND / HTTP/1.1
Content-Length: 0
Depth: 0
translate: f
User-Agent: Microsoft-WebDAV-MiniRedir/6.0.6000
Host: zerg
Connection: Keep-Alive
Cookie: XythosSessionID1=[B@8ab08f-1143118060

Well 2 actually which you must 207 (its very similar to what we do above)

It then does a series of PROPFINDS to / and /testuser which we 207 like we do above.

The mount exists.  I have seen the problem where I am attempting to mount a location like /testuser/foo/bar where the user does NOT have the security set to PROPFIND / AND /testuser AND /testuser/foo AND /testuser/foo/bar.  If this is the case as the server does not send a nice 207 to the client for ANY of those parent directories including / the mount FAILS.  This is what my posts to the newsgroups spoke about.  I can give a LOT of reasons why a client would not be able to do this, and discussed this with MS but have not been given a response on if/when this would be fixed.  


Interesting that when I tried

\\zerg\testuser it never sent an OPTIONS or a PROPFIND to /.  I am not sure if this is because it somehow has the OPTIONS cached.  I killed all of my IE windows (even though that doesn't mean as much in Vista) and my windows explorer windows and tried again and only saw a PROPFIND to /testuser

Interesting to note that this other model must run on port 80 or 443, at least \\zerg:9999\testuser did not work.

I then created a folder /foo/bar/fee to which testuser only has access to the fee folder and NOT its parents (this fails with the http://zerg/testuser/foo/bar/fee mount as explained above).

I then tried \\zerg\foo\bar\fee and even before I hit return (after I typed \\zerg\foo\) it does a PROPFIND to /foo (which my server 404s due to security).  It then does a series of PROPFINDs to / and /foo before it fails without mounting. So I am not sure what this other syntax does except for not doing the OPTIONS request with a different socket, the PROPFIND requests seem to be the same.  I guess getting rid of the OPTIONS to / is something :)

I also read the posts you spoke about and it SCARES me when MS employees (at least people pretending to be MS employees) state:

>>> Having said that, there shouldn't be any need to install WebFolders since
>>> the WebDAV redirector has replaced all functionality provided by the
>>> WebFolders. The only thing that WebDAV redirector doesn't support (that
>>> WebFolders DID support) was being able to access WebDAV servers that don't
>>> support OPTIONS at their root.

This is NOT true.  While the OPTIONS to root is a problem, the client also needs to PROPFIND all parent directories which in many cases (security, not having the webdav mount point at root, etc) is not true.  I didn't take the time to point this out to Walter as I am late and now need to run to work.

Hope this helps,
Kevin







-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-dist-auth-request@... [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@...] On Behalf Of keenriser@...
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:55 AM
To: Konstantin Breu
Cc: Kevin Wiggen; w3c-dist-auth@...
Subject: Re: AW: WebDAV with Windows Vista


Hi,

I looked around on the web a bit and found a workaround that might work:
http://www.schiller.cc/blog/2007/01/29/bug-in-vistas-webdav-implementation

The steps:
   1.  Go to "Add a Network Location..."
   2. Insert your webdav ressource in the following format:
"\\mywebdav.server@SSL\dav", insert (if applicable) your username by
"Connect using a different username" - and now, your shared folder
should appear :)

Hope it helps :)

Regards,
Erik

----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: Konstantin Breu <Konstantin.Breu@...>
Datum: donderdag, maart 15, 2007 10:24 am
Onderwerp: AW: WebDAV with Windows Vista

>
> Hello,
>
> > http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/21946-webdav-web-
> folder-clie
> > nt-msdaipp-dll-supported-vista.html
>
> I have posted there now, too:
> http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/48154-webdav-support.html
> I tried all workarounds posted in the forum in different topics.
> None of
> them worked with my test client...
>
> My first tests were with Vista Business - there I did not see any
> clientserver requests when trying to get the network resource
> connection to the
> webdav site. This was different with Vista Ultimate. There the
> client did
> requests, but then still could not create the connection. I've done
> the test
> now also with the webdav function offered by Apache Tomcat. It's
> just the
> same. It works when the client is running at Windows XP, it does
> not work
> with client running Vista...
>
> Btw, they have a similar "Windows client workaround" like my webdav
> server:http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40160
>
> Well now... according to the answers in this list it works at some
> Vistaclients of some persons. But when looking to the webdav
> questions at
> http://www.vista64.net it does not work at every client. I will try
> now to
> get better information from Microsoft support (to get some answer
> like "we
> know the problem, it will be fixed with patch xyz"). Is anyone in
> this list
> interested in that? Then I will post it here.
>
> Cheers,
> Konstantin
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: w3c-dist-auth-request@... [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-
> request@...] Im
> Auftrag von Kevin Wiggen
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. März 2007 18:37
> An: Konstantin Breu; w3c-dist-auth@...
> Betreff: RE: WebDAV with Windows Vista
>
>
> Basically MS removed the "webfolders" client in Vista and now only has
> the mini-redirector (XP had BOTH and different version depending on
> whether Office was installed).
>
> http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-general/21946-webdav-web-folder-
> client-msdaipp-dll-supported-vista.html
>
> There are 2 shortcomings of the redirector spoken about here (note
> thatthis is just to get the client to connect, once its connected I
> cannotspeak to other problems):
>
> 1)  The client requires the ability to OPTION / (not always true)
> 2)  The client will try to walk the chain from / to the mount point
> (there are many reasons the client couldn't do this including
> security).
>
> However if I try to mount /Kevin on a server (and have access to do
> so),it will connect.
>
> Also interesting that some of my follow-up comments were deleted from
> the forum.  I guess someone didn't like the extended information I
> gave:)
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-dist-auth-request@... [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-
> request@...]On Behalf Of Konstantin Breu
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:46 AM
> To: w3c-dist-auth@...
> Subject: WebDAV with Windows Vista
>
>
> Hello,
>
> @Mac/Linux users: I am sorry for asking **windows** specific questions
> here.
> Just stop reading... ;-)
>
> I have a WebDAV server (J2EE based), there is no problem to use it
> withWindows Explorer (via Network Resource), Internet Explorer (via
> openpage as
> Web folder), Office 2003/2007 when using Windows XP SP2.
>
> But so far I did not have any success when trying the same with
> WindowsVista. Windows Explorer cannot create the connection (but it
> is doing
> requests to the server), Internet Explorer only offers to open it
> as web
> page (GET). Office 2007 also only does GET, when I try to access the
> folders
> an files in the file open dialog. If I enter there a folder address
> (http://.....), it then does a GET against that address, and opens
> thatas
> "document" in Word etc...
>
> My question to the list: is there somebody, who was able to use
> WindowsExplorer/Internet Explorer/Office 2007 (or an older version)
> withWindows
> Vista as WebDAV client? Are there special settings for the client
> side,or
> additional installations, which I have to do? Or are there some
> additional
> requirements for the server, which Vista needs? (for example
> support of
> some
> Properties, Http headers, Authentication method,...) You could also
> sendme
> communication logs, if your server works with Vista, and you do not
> knowwhy.... ;)
>
> If there is somebody, who has the same problem: you can also drop
> me a
> line,
> then I could give you some hints when I have found out more... Of
> courseI
> also searched in the internet for information... I found
> descriptions of
> such problems, some people were describing workarounds, but so far
> theseworkarounds did not help me...
>
> I will also get into contact with Microsoft support, but this will
> takesome
> longer time, as I or my chief will have to pay for it. I will also do
> tests
> with other clients (for example WebDrive), and other servers (for
> example
> Slide, Tomcat), to see how they are working when the client OS is
> Vista...
>
> Cheers,
> Konstantin
>
> P.S. I was testing so far with Vista Business, but I have access to
> allversions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>