What do I need to buy from 4D to develop in Active4D v11?

[Steve Makohin]

Hello everyone,

I am about to buy the remainder of the product I need to develop in Active4D
in 4D v11 (yes, I know it's not available just yet). I currently own 4D
Developer Pro v11.4 (Windows), but I need to buy some variant of 4D server
to test client/server code, and I am not sure what I need. I've been
developing in 4D for ages, but I am totally new to Active4D.

I want to architect a 4D system that does the following:
 (1) Allows client/server interaction on a small scale (2 or 3 clients)
 (2) Use Active4D for scalable web interaction (I don't need Web 2.0,
       Ajax, etc. Active4D will be *the* web face)
 (3) Lets me test Active4D apps, so I'll need a web server that's easy
       to set up, but not necessarily able to support lots of users

What else do I need to buy from 4D?
 - I believe I need 4D Server, but I am not sure if I need  "4D Server" or
"4D Web App Server".
 - Do I need "4D Web Application Expansion" for "4D Server"? I don't know
what this does.
 - Do I need "4D Web Services Expansion" for "4D Server"? I don't know what
this does.

What should I use as a development web server?

Thanks in advance.

-Steve Makohin
 Oakville, Ontario, Canada

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[Peter Schumacher-2]

Steve,

what you need is:

* 4D Developer Professional (SingleUser)
   it supports one internal and one external IP addresss, you can't  
extend this

* 4D Server v11
   -> has 2 users (clients) buildt-in
   -> you can extend the users (up to 500, according to 4D)
   -> you need a "4D Web Application Extension" to activate more then  
one external IP address
   -> you do not need the "4D Web Services"

If you can convince your customer doing everything over the web, then  
you need instead of the "4D Server" a "4D Web Application Server" -  
carefull: that's the good old "4D Runtime Classic", just web enabled.  
The term "server" is a little misleading here, because it is the "Web  
Server".

<plug>
If you need an offer, you send me a private email, we are an offical  
4D dealer.
</plug>



Am 15.05.2009 um 20:34 schrieb Steve Makohin:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I am about to buy the remainder of the product I need to develop in  
> Active4D in 4D v11 (yes, I know it's not available just yet). I  
> currently own 4D Developer Pro v11.4 (Windows), but I need to buy  
> some variant of 4D server to test client/server code, and I am not  
> sure what I need. I've been developing in 4D for ages, but I am  
> totally new to Active4D.
>
> I want to architect a 4D system that does the following:
> (1) Allows client/server interaction on a small scale (2 or 3 clients)
> (2) Use Active4D for scalable web interaction (I don't need Web 2.0,
>      Ajax, etc. Active4D will be *the* web face)
> (3) Lets me test Active4D apps, so I'll need a web server that's easy
>      to set up, but not necessarily able to support lots of users
>
> What else do I need to buy from 4D?
> - I believe I need 4D Server, but I am not sure if I need  "4D  
> Server" or "4D Web App Server".
> - Do I need "4D Web Application Expansion" for "4D Server"? I don't  
> know what this does.
> - Do I need "4D Web Services Expansion" for "4D Server"? I don't  
> know what this does.
>
> What should I use as a development web server?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -Steve Makohin
> Oakville, Ontario, Canada

> Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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[Steve Makohin]

Hello Peter, and list.

From: "Peter Schumacher" <plist@...>

> what you need is:
>
> * 4D Developer Professional (SingleUser)
>    it supports one internal and one external IP addresss, you can't
> extend this
>
> * 4D Server v11
>    -> has 2 users (clients) buildt-in
>    -> you can extend the users (up to 500, according to 4D)
>    -> you need a "4D Web Application Extension" to activate more then  one
> external IP address
>    -> you do not need the "4D Web Services"

Thank you, Peter, for the speedy reply.

What exactly is 4D's "Web Application Expansion" option for 4D Server?
Will I need it to develop in Active4D (for 4D v11)?  I don't need Web 2.0,
Ajax, etc.
Under what conditions would I need to "activate more then one external IP
address"?

-Steve Makohin
 Oakville, Ontario, Canada

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[Peter Schumacher-2]

No. Just for developing the included 1 external/1 internal ip address  
is ok. It's just a little difficult for debugging. Normally you just  
tell various people "have a look at my new website". If more the one  
is doing this, one gets your real bugs and the other ones will tell  
you they can't reach your server. And they will formulate it so,that  
you don't know who is who. :)

Am 18.05.2009 um 20:35 schrieb Steve Makohin:

> What exactly is 4D's "Web Application Expansion" option for 4D Server?
> Will I need it to develop in Active4D (for 4D v11)?

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[Steve Makohin]

Hello Peter,

From: "Peter Schumacher" <plist@...>

>> What exactly is 4D's "Web Application Expansion" option for 4D Server?
>> Will I need it to develop in Active4D (for 4D v11)?
>
> No. Just for developing the included 1 external/1 internal ip address  is
> ok. It's just a little difficult for debugging. Normally you just  tell
> various people "have a look at my new website". If more the one  is doing
> this, one gets your real bugs and the other ones will tell  you they can't
> reach your server. And they will formulate it so,that  you don't know who
> is who. :)

Thank you! Looks like I need to buy 4D Server *and* the Web App Expansion
pack.

-Steve Makohin
 Oakville, Ontario, Canada

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[Peter Schumacher-2]

Yes.

It's a real pain, that the 4D Developer version can't be expanded.

Am 19.05.2009 um 00:24 schrieb Steve Makohin:

> Thank you! Looks like I need to buy 4D Server *and* the Web App  
> Expansion pack.

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[Mehboob Alam]

http://www.4d.com/products/Dep-comparative.html

Look at the one called "Web App Server". For all intents and purposes, you'll probably pay $129 for it, and it looks like the best low-end solution for testing a site.

Think of it as "Runtime" + "Web Server". Just waiting to add A4Dv5 to it :)

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--- On Mon, 5/18/09, Peter Schumacher <plist@...> wrote:

> From: Peter Schumacher <plist@...>
> Subject: Re: [Active4d-dev] What do I need to buy from 4D to develop inActive4D v11?
> To: active4d-dev@...
> Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 6:20 PM
> No. Just for developing the included
> 1 external/1 internal ip address is ok. It's just a little
> difficult for debugging. Normally you just tell various
> people "have a look at my new website". If more the one is
> doing this, one gets your real bugs and the other ones will
> tell you they can't reach your server. And they will
> formulate it so,that you don't know who is who. :)
>
> Am 18.05.2009 um 20:35 schrieb Steve Makohin:
>
> > What exactly is 4D's "Web Application Expansion"
> option for 4D Server?
> > Will I need it to develop in Active4D (for 4D v11)?
>
> Greetings,
> [4D-Consulting.com]eK, Wiesbaden (Germany)
> Peter Schumacher
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> +49-611-9406.744
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>
>
>
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[Mehboob Alam]

> It's a real pain, that the 4D Developer version can't be expanded.

I don't see what the harm is to allow a different kind of limitation, say.. throttle the number of hits per minute, etc.

sincerely,
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--- On Mon, 5/18/09, Peter Schumacher <plist@...> wrote:

> From: Peter Schumacher <plist@...>
> Subject: Re: [Active4d-dev] What do I need to buy from 4D to developinActive4D v11?
> To: active4d-dev@...
> Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 6:38 PM
> Yes.
>
> It's a real pain, that the 4D Developer version can't be
> expanded.
>
> Am 19.05.2009 um 00:24 schrieb Steve Makohin:
>
> > Thank you! Looks like I need to buy 4D Server *and*
> the Web App Expansion pack.
>
> Greetings,
> [4D-Consulting.com]eK, Wiesbaden (Germany)
> Peter Schumacher
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Web: http://www.4D-Consulting.com/
> FreeCall:  0800-434 636 7
> Tel.:      [phone] - Fax:
> +49-611-9406.744
> 4D-Consulting.com eK - Scharnhorststr. 36 - 65195
> Wiesbaden
> Member of the German Developer Network  http://www.die4dwerkstatt.de
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[Mehboob Alam]

-> you need a "4D Web Application Extension" to activate more then one external IP address

For my money, I'm more tempted to implement Active4D + NTK instead. Then I don't have to deal with the hassle of deciding how many implementations I may need to run temporarily, nor deciding whether I want a "Server" license, or a "Client" license for the Web Server.

All this, I hope, will change for the better when 4D goes the "Apache" route. Right now, the web development picture is insane.. and I'm grateful that Active4D is available as an alternative :)

sincerely,
mehboob alam


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--- On Fri, 5/15/09, Peter Schumacher <plist@...> wrote:

> From: Peter Schumacher <plist@...>
> Subject: Re: [Active4d-dev] What do I need to buy from 4D to develop in Active4D v11?
> To: active4d-dev@...
> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 3:11 PM
> Steve,
>
> what you need is:
>
> * 4D Developer Professional (SingleUser)
>   it supports one internal and one external IP
> addresss, you can't extend this
>
> * 4D Server v11
>   -> has 2 users (clients) buildt-in
>   -> you can extend the users (up to 500, according
> to 4D)
>   -> you need a "4D Web Application Extension" to
> activate more then one external IP address
>   -> you do not need the "4D Web Services"
>
> If you can convince your customer doing everything over the
> web, then you need instead of the "4D Server" a "4D Web
> Application Server" - carefull: that's the good old "4D
> Runtime Classic", just web enabled. The term "server" is a
> little misleading here, because it is the "Web Server".
>
> <plug>
> If you need an offer, you send me a private email, we are
> an offical 4D dealer.
> </plug>
>
>
>
> Am 15.05.2009 um 20:34 schrieb Steve Makohin:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I am about to buy the remainder of the product I need
> to develop in Active4D in 4D v11 (yes, I know it's not
> available just yet). I currently own 4D Developer Pro v11.4
> (Windows), but I need to buy some variant of 4D server to
> test client/server code, and I am not sure what I need. I've
> been developing in 4D for ages, but I am totally new to
> Active4D.
> >
> > I want to architect a 4D system that does the
> following:
> > (1) Allows client/server interaction on a small scale
> (2 or 3 clients)
> > (2) Use Active4D for scalable web interaction (I don't
> need Web 2.0,
> >      Ajax, etc. Active4D will be *the*
> web face)
> > (3) Lets me test Active4D apps, so I'll need a web
> server that's easy
> >      to set up, but not necessarily
> able to support lots of users
> >
> > What else do I need to buy from 4D?
> > - I believe I need 4D Server, but I am not sure if I
> need  "4D Server" or "4D Web App Server".
> > - Do I need "4D Web Application Expansion" for "4D
> Server"? I don't know what this does.
> > - Do I need "4D Web Services Expansion" for "4D
> Server"? I don't know what this does.
> >
> > What should I use as a development web server?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > -Steve Makohin
> > Oakville, Ontario, Canada
>

     
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[B. Perkins]

If one of the components of this is "Runtime", can you use the debugger to
troubleshoot back end 4D code?

-- Brad Perkins

>
> http://www.4d.com/products/Dep-comparative.html
>
> Look at the one called "Web App Server". For all intents and purposes,
> you'll probably pay $129 for it, and it looks like the best low-end
> solution for testing a site.
>
> Think of it as "Runtime" + "Web Server". Just waiting to add A4Dv5 to it
> :)
>

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[B. Perkins]

> All this, I hope, will change for the better when 4D goes the "Apache"
> route.

Can you elaborate?

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[Peter Schumacher-2]

No. Only compiled code.

Am 19.05.2009 um 19:34 schrieb Bradley D. Perkins:

> If one of the components of this is "Runtime", can you use the  
> debugger to
> troubleshoot back end 4D code

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[Mehboob Alam]

It was strongly hinted that the web-engine embedded in 4D will be replaced by something.. the Apache logo was tucked away in the far corner of that slide. Summit 2008 at Long Beach.

The current web engine is based on the WebStar BSD codebase, and I understand the sole programmer responsible for maintaining it is no longer around.

How this will happen, i.e. how integrated 4D+Apache will be is something that we should hear about in the near future.

Is that enough for your needs? It was a just a statement of what's next on the chopping block for future versions of 4D.

sincerely,
mehboob alam


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--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Bradley D. Perkins <bperkins@...> wrote:

> From: Bradley D. Perkins <bperkins@...>
> Subject: Re: [Active4d-dev] What do I need to buy from 4D to develop in Active4D v11?
> To: active4d-dev@...
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 1:37 PM
>
> > All this, I hope, will change for the better when 4D
> goes the "Apache"
> > route.
>
> Can you elaborate?
>
> -- Brad

     
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[Peter Schumacher-2]

...and the new web engine will execute PHP?

Am 19.05.2009 um 20:48 schrieb Mehboob Alam:

> It was strongly hinted that the web-engine embedded in 4D will be  
> replaced by something.. the Apache logo was tucked away in the far  
> corner of that slide. Summit 2008 at Long Beach.

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[B. Perkins]

>
> It was strongly hinted that the web-engine embedded in 4D will be replaced
> by something.. the Apache logo was tucked away in the far corner of that
> slide. Summit 2008 at Long Beach.
>
> The current web engine is based on the WebStar BSD codebase, and I
> understand the sole programmer responsible for maintaining it is no longer
> around.
>
> How this will happen, i.e. how integrated 4D+Apache will be is something
> that we should hear about in the near future.
>
> Is that enough for your needs? It was a just a statement of what's next on
> the chopping block for future versions of 4D.
>

I wasn't at the Summit so I missed this. It will be interesting to see
what 4D does.

Thanks,

Brad
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[Mehboob Alam]

Take a look at this video.. it shows a converted and unoptimized customer application running on a 24-core server, with 500+1 connected clients.

http://www.4d.com/products/benchmarks/scalabilitytest20081203.html

In comparison, the web engine is looking like a real bottleneck now.

sincerely,
mehboob alam


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--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Bradley D. Perkins <bperkins@...> wrote:

> From: Bradley D. Perkins <bperkins@...>
> I wasn't at the Summit so I missed this. It will be
> interesting to see what 4D does.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
> _______________________________________________



     
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[Mehboob Alam]

> ...and the new web engine will execute PHP?

No mention of PHP.. it's really unrelated to Apache, right?

What was discussed briefly, that "something" in the future would generate JSON instead of just only XML.
And 4D's focus will turn from AJAX to AJAJ..(Async JavaScript w/ JSON)

http://www.json.org/js.html

Again, Active4D is way ahead of the curve here :)
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From: Peter Schumacher <plist@...>
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...and the new web engine will execute PHP?

Am 19.05.2009 um 20:48 schrieb Mehboob Alam:

> It was strongly hinted that the web-engine embedded in 4D will be replaced by something.. the Apache logo was tucked away in the far corner of that slide. Summit 2008 at Long Beach.

Greetings,
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[John Milton-3]

On 21 May 2009, at 4:04 pm, Mehboob Alam wrote:

> What was discussed briefly, that "something" in the future would  
> generate JSON instead of just only XML.
> And 4D's focus will turn from AJAX to AJAJ..(Async JavaScript w/ JSON)
>
> http://www.json.org/js.html
>
> Again, Active4D is way ahead of the curve here :)


Agreed.

If you're using AJAX then Active4D's a4d.json library and  
a4d.utils.cud make the back end _very_ easy!

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[aparajita]

> If you're using AJAX then Active4D's a4d.json library and  
> a4d.utils.cud make the back end _very_ easy!

I'm VERY happy to hear that someone is making good use of  
a4d.utils.cud. That little gem definitely saves massive amounts of  
coding.

Regards,

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[John Milton-3]

On 21 May 2009, at 4:28 pm, Aparajita Fishman wrote:

>> If you're using AJAX then Active4D's a4d.json library and  
>> a4d.utils.cud make the back end _very_ easy!
>
> I'm VERY happy to hear that someone is making good use of  
> a4d.utils.cud. That little gem definitely saves massive amounts of  
> coding.

Yes indeed - saves massive amounts of very tedious and (therefore, in  
my case at least) error prone coding :-)

John
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