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What should be considered legal?
by rhn-4
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I'm a mapper for more than a year, and I know a little bit about intellectual property, but some questions have been puzzling me for quite some time.
First of them - how much is allowed when referring to proprietary maps? Is it right to look at the street names to see whether I got them right? Or can I compare topology of the streets with the external map? See if I got the village placement right and adjust it? The second I've been wondering about is copying the other way around. Suppose I'm working for a mapping company who has to trace satellite data to make a vector map. Not all roads are visible through trees and sometimes, the streets look similar to footways. Can I look at (printed, not overlayed) OSM maps to see where streets are to avoid mapping footways and paths as streets? Is my work a derived work of OSM if I do that? There is no tracing over OSM involved. I hope someone could explain it to me :) Cheers rhn _______________________________________________ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@... http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk |
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Re: What should be considered legal?
by Martin Koppenhoefer
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2009/10/21 rhn <opstmaac.rhn@...>:
> I'm a mapper for more than a year, and I know a little bit about intellectual property, but some questions have been puzzling me for quite some time. > > First of them - how much is allowed when referring to proprietary maps? Is it right to look at the street names to see whether I got them right? Or can I compare topology of the streets with the external map? See if I got the village placement right and adjust it? IMHO (IANAL) you can always compare your map to others, but if the don't match, you will not know, who's right, unless you recontroll. cheers, Martin _______________________________________________ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@... http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk |
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Re: What should be considered legal?
by Matt Amos-3
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On 10/24/09, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist@...> wrote:
> 2009/10/21 rhn <opstmaac.rhn@...>: >> I'm a mapper for more than a year, and I know a little bit about >> intellectual property, but some questions have been puzzling me for quite >> some time. >> >> First of them - how much is allowed when referring to proprietary maps? Is >> it right to look at the street names to see whether I got them right? Or >> can I compare topology of the streets with the external map? See if I got >> the village placement right and adjust it? > > IMHO (IANAL) you can always compare your map to others, but if the > don't match, you will not know, who's right, unless you recontroll. i'd agree - it's OK to compare OSM to proprietary maps and use that to figure out where needs surveying. but it's not OK to take information from that proprietary map - if there is a difference then you'll have to go out and survey the difference. so (imho) it wouldn't be OK to adjust village placement based on proprietary maps; if there's a difference you'd have to look at other allowable sources like Y! aerial imagery or out-of-copyright maps, or go out and survey it with a GPS. cheers, matt _______________________________________________ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@... http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk |
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Re: What should be considered legal?
by rhn-4
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Matt Amos wrote:
> On 10/24/09, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist@...> wrote: >> 2009/10/21 rhn <opstmaac.rhn@...>: >>> I'm a mapper for more than a year, and I know a little bit about >>> intellectual property, but some questions have been puzzling me for quite >>> some time. >>> >>> First of them - how much is allowed when referring to proprietary maps? Is >>> it right to look at the street names to see whether I got them right? Or >>> can I compare topology of the streets with the external map? See if I got >>> the village placement right and adjust it? >> IMHO (IANAL) you can always compare your map to others, but if the >> don't match, you will not know, who's right, unless you recontroll. > > i'd agree - it's OK to compare OSM to proprietary maps and use that to > figure out where needs surveying. but it's not OK to take information > from that proprietary map - if there is a difference then you'll have > to go out and survey the difference. > > so (imho) it wouldn't be OK to adjust village placement based on > proprietary maps; if there's a difference you'd have to look at other > allowable sources like Y! aerial imagery or out-of-copyright maps, or > go out and survey it with a GPS. > > cheers, > > matt Thanks. The reason I asked that was that I frequently forget where the GPS trace was taken - was it a road or a track, which village or whatever else. This usually happens in areas where OSM map is pitch white :) Yahoo maps aren't very helpful there either. Cheers rhn _______________________________________________ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@... http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk |
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Re: What should be considered legal?
by Martin Koppenhoefer
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> Thanks. The reason I asked that was that I frequently forget where the GPS trace was taken - was it a road or a track, which village or whatever else. This usually happens in areas where OSM map is pitch white :) Yahoo maps aren't very helpful there either.
well, you can still upload the traces as they are always usefull (also more than one on the same place), especially in white areas, but without further information (road name, road class, physical state, reference number, restrictions etc.) you should tag them as highway=road if you decide to do it (and if it wasn't cross country). Btw: I guess you ment yahoo aerial imagery, as we have no right at all to trace yahoo maps or take information from it. cheers, Martin _______________________________________________ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@... http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk |
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Re: What should be considered legal?
by rhn-4
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Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> Thanks. The reason I asked that was that I frequently forget where the GPS trace was taken - was it a road or a track, which village or whatever else. This usually happens in areas where OSM map is pitch white :) Yahoo maps aren't very helpful there either. > > well, you can still upload the traces as they are always usefull (also > more than one on the same place), especially in white areas, but > without further information (road name, road class, physical state, > reference number, restrictions etc.) you should tag them as > highway=road if you decide to do it (and if it wasn't cross country). > Btw: I guess you ment yahoo aerial imagery, as we have no right at all > to trace yahoo maps or take information from it. > > cheers, > Martin > I do tag them as highway=road or I try to strain my memory (and the map accuracy), because I don't like leaving roads like that. My bad, I meant Yahoo imagery + Landsat. _______________________________________________ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@... http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk |
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