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Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

by Desilets, Alain :: Rate this Message:

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I am trying to modify the eye icon to make it more intuitive. Lots of users think that an eye with a red X on it means that you are currently NOT watching, when in fact, it means the opposite. I plan to use the usual convention, adding a checkbox in the upper right corner of the eye, which will be checked or unchecked, depending on whether you are watching or not. Something like the attached images.

But... I can't for the life of me locate where the original eye.png and no_eye.png icons are inserted referenced in tiki-index.php. I searched the code for eye.png, and all I can find is a reference to it in tiki-edit_map.php, and it's obviously not the one I want.

Can someone give me a hint?

Thx

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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

by Jonny Bradley-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Alain

It's probably in a template somewhere just as {icon _id="eye"...} - if
you turn on "Add HTML comment at start and end of each Smarty template
(TPL)" (admin/features/programmer) you'll be able to see in the page
source which template it's in.

I'll be interested to see how those icons look when resized to 16 x 16
pixels ;)

Good luck!

jonny

On 29 Oct 2009, at 10:58, Desilets, Alain wrote:

> I am trying to modify the eye icon to make it more intuitive. Lots
> of users think that an eye with a red X on it means that you are
> currently NOT watching, when in fact, it means the opposite. I plan
> to use the usual convention, adding a checkbox in the upper right
> corner of the eye, which will be checked or unchecked, depending on
> whether you are watching or not. Something like the attached images.
>
> But... I can't for the life of me locate where the original eye.png
> and no_eye.png icons are inserted referenced in tiki-index.php. I
> searched the code for eye.png, and all I can find is a reference to
> it in tiki-edit_map.php, and it's obviously not the one I want.
>
> Can someone give me a hint?
>
> Thx
>
> ----
> Alain Désilets, MASc
> Agent de recherches/Research Officer
> Institut de technologie de l'information du CNRC /
> NRC Institute for Information Technology
>
> alain.desilets@...
> Tél/Tel (613) 990-2813
> Facsimile/télécopieur: (613) 952-0215
>
> Conseil national de recherches Canada, M50, 1200 chemin Montréal,
> Ottawa (Ontario) K1A 0R6
> National Research Council Canada, M50, 1200 Montreal Rd., Ottawa, ON
> K1A 0R6
>
> Gouvernement du Canada | Government of Canada
>
>
> <
> eye_checked
> .png
> >
> <
> eye_unchecked
> .png
> >
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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

by gary_c :: Rate this Message:

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Hi,

A right mouse click on the eye icon shows its properties, including
location: pics/icons/eye.png (just the eye) and pics/icons/no_eye.png
(eye with X).

-- Gary

Desilets, Alain wrote:

> I am trying to modify the eye icon to make it more intuitive. Lots of users think that an eye with a red X on it means that you are currently NOT watching, when in fact, it means the opposite. I plan to use the usual convention, adding a checkbox in the upper right corner of the eye, which will be checked or unchecked, depending on whether you are watching or not. Something like the attached images.
>
> But... I can't for the life of me locate where the original eye.png and no_eye.png icons are inserted referenced in tiki-index.php. I searched the code for eye.png, and all I can find is a reference to it in tiki-edit_map.php, and it's obviously not the one I want.
>
> Can someone give me a hint?
>
> Thx
>
> ----
> Alain Désilets, MASc
> Agent de recherches/Research Officer
> Institut de technologie de l'information du CNRC /
> NRC Institute for Information Technology
>
> alain.desilets@...
> Tél/Tel (613) 990-2813
> Facsimile/télécopieur: (613) 952-0215
>
> Conseil national de recherches Canada, M50, 1200 chemin Montréal,
> Ottawa (Ontario) K1A 0R6
> National Research Council Canada, M50, 1200 Montreal Rd., Ottawa, ON
> K1A 0R6
>
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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

by Desilets, Alain :: Rate this Message:

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Thx. I would never have found it without your help.

Alain

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonny Bradley [mailto:tw@...]
> Sent: October 29, 2009 7:36 AM
> To: Tikiwiki developers
> Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?
>
>
> Hi Alain
>
> It's probably in a template somewhere just as {icon _id="eye"...} - if
> you turn on "Add HTML comment at start and end of each Smarty template
> (TPL)" (admin/features/programmer) you'll be able to see in the page
> source which template it's in.
>
> I'll be interested to see how those icons look when resized to 16 x 16
> pixels ;)
>
> Good luck!
>
> jonny
>
> On 29 Oct 2009, at 10:58, Desilets, Alain wrote:
>
> > I am trying to modify the eye icon to make it more intuitive. Lots of
> > users think that an eye with a red X on it means that you are
> > currently NOT watching, when in fact, it means the opposite. I plan
> to
> > use the usual convention, adding a checkbox in the upper right corner
> > of the eye, which will be checked or unchecked, depending on whether
> > you are watching or not. Something like the attached images.
> >
> > But... I can't for the life of me locate where the original eye.png
> > and no_eye.png icons are inserted referenced in tiki-index.php. I
> > searched the code for eye.png, and all I can find is a reference to
> it
> > in tiki-edit_map.php, and it's obviously not the one I want.
> >
> > Can someone give me a hint?
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > ----
> > Alain Désilets, MASc
> > Agent de recherches/Research Officer
> > Institut de technologie de l'information du CNRC / NRC Institute for
> > Information Technology
> >
> > alain.desilets@...
> > Tél/Tel (613) 990-2813
> > Facsimile/télécopieur: (613) 952-0215
> >
> > Conseil national de recherches Canada, M50, 1200 chemin Montréal,
> > Ottawa (Ontario) K1A 0R6 National Research Council Canada, M50, 1200
> > Montreal Rd., Ottawa, ON K1A 0R6
> >
> > Gouvernement du Canada | Government of Canada
> >
> >
> > <
> > eye_checked
> > .png
> > >
> > <
> > eye_unchecked
> > .png
> > >
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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

by Desilets, Alain :: Rate this Message:

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Yes, I already knew the name and location of the icon. I just couldn't figure out where in the tiki code, this eye was inserted. I need to change the name of these icons from no_eye.png to eye_checked.png

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Cunningham-Lee [mailto:gary_c@...]
> Sent: October 29, 2009 7:39 AM
> To: Tikiwiki developers
> Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?
>
> Hi,
>
> A right mouse click on the eye icon shows its properties, including
> location: pics/icons/eye.png (just the eye) and pics/icons/no_eye.png
> (eye with X).
>
> -- Gary
>
> Desilets, Alain wrote:
> > I am trying to modify the eye icon to make it more intuitive. Lots of
> users think that an eye with a red X on it means that you are currently
> NOT watching, when in fact, it means the opposite. I plan to use the
> usual convention, adding a checkbox in the upper right corner of the
> eye, which will be checked or unchecked, depending on whether you are
> watching or not. Something like the attached images.
> >
> > But... I can't for the life of me locate where the original eye.png
> and no_eye.png icons are inserted referenced in tiki-index.php. I
> searched the code for eye.png, and all I can find is a reference to it
> in tiki-edit_map.php, and it's obviously not the one I want.
> >
> > Can someone give me a hint?
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > ----
> > Alain Désilets, MASc
> > Agent de recherches/Research Officer
> > Institut de technologie de l'information du CNRC / NRC Institute for
> > Information Technology
> >
> > alain.desilets@...
> > Tél/Tel (613) 990-2813
> > Facsimile/télécopieur: (613) 952-0215
> >
> > Conseil national de recherches Canada, M50, 1200 chemin Montréal,
> > Ottawa (Ontario) K1A 0R6 National Research Council Canada, M50, 1200
> > Montreal Rd., Ottawa, ON K1A 0R6
> >
> > Gouvernement du Canada | Government of Canada
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> >
> >
> >
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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

by Desilets, Alain :: Rate this Message:

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> if
> you turn on "Add HTML comment at start and end of each Smarty template
> (TPL)" (admin/features/programmer) you'll be able to see in the page
> source which template it's in.

Sounds like a really useful trick, but I can't seem to make it work on
trunk. I have just activated this feature, cleared my cache, but I don't
see any HTML comment on the page.

Alain

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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

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Well, ok, if intuitive icon names are important. ;-)

I was also curious about the image at actual icon size, so played a bit
and am attaching a somewhat reworked version of one (eye rotated to
level to allow more space for checkmark, checkmark size increased),
reduced to 16 x 16.

-- Gary

Desilets, Alain wrote:

> Yes, I already knew the name and location of the icon. I just couldn't figure out where in the tiki code, this eye was inserted. I need to change the name of these icons from no_eye.png to eye_checked.png
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gary Cunningham-Lee [mailto:gary_c@...]
>> Sent: October 29, 2009 7:39 AM
>> To: Tikiwiki developers
>> Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> A right mouse click on the eye icon shows its properties, including
>> location: pics/icons/eye.png (just the eye) and pics/icons/no_eye.png
>> (eye with X).
>>
>> -- Gary
>>
>> Desilets, Alain wrote:
>>
>>> I am trying to modify the eye icon to make it more intuitive. Lots of
>>>
>> users think that an eye with a red X on it means that you are currently
>> NOT watching, when in fact, it means the opposite. I plan to use the
>> usual convention, adding a checkbox in the upper right corner of the
>> eye, which will be checked or unchecked, depending on whether you are
>> watching or not. Something like the attached images.
>>
>>> But... I can't for the life of me locate where the original eye.png
>>>
>> and no_eye.png icons are inserted referenced in tiki-index.php. I
>> searched the code for eye.png, and all I can find is a reference to it
>> in tiki-edit_map.php, and it's obviously not the one I want.
>>
>>> Can someone give me a hint?
>>>
>>> Thx
>>>
>>> ----
>>> Alain Désilets, MASc
>>> Agent de recherches/Research Officer
>>> Institut de technologie de l'information du CNRC / NRC Institute for
>>> Information Technology
>>>
>>> alain.desilets@...
>>> Tél/Tel (613) 990-2813
>>> Facsimile/télécopieur: (613) 952-0215
>>>
>>> Conseil national de recherches Canada, M50, 1200 chemin Montréal,
>>> Ottawa (Ontario) K1A 0R6 National Research Council Canada, M50, 1200
>>> Montreal Rd., Ottawa, ON K1A 0R6
>>>
>>> Gouvernement du Canada | Government of Canada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

by Desilets, Alain :: Rate this Message:

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> I'll be interested to see how those icons look when resized to 16 x 16
> pixels ;)

As a matter of fact, they don't look good at all ;-).

I'm no graphic designer, and in particular, I have never created icons
that small and am struggling with that. Can anyone tell me the tools and
tricks of that trade. Or even better yet, if someone out there can put
together icons like the two I attach, but that will display well as
16x16, then I will be happy to insert them at the right place in the
code.

Alain

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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

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> I was also curious about the image at actual icon size, so played a
> bit and am attaching a somewhat reworked version of one (eye rotated
> to level to allow more space for checkmark, checkmark size increased),

> reduced to 16 x 16.

Thx. It looks pretty good when I display it inside Tiki.

Would you be able to work the same magi for the other icon, the one with
the checkbox unchecked?

Alain

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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

by Desilets, Alain :: Rate this Message:

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> Thx. It looks pretty good when I display it inside Tiki.
>
> Would you be able to work the same magi for the other icon, the one
> with the checkbox unchecked?

Also, I think the border around the checkbox needs to be either thicker
or in a deeper color, cause we can't really see it. And it's important
that we see the empty checkbox so that the eye_unchecked does not look
like the eye is active.

Alain

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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

by Sylvie Greverend-3 :: Rate this Message:

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+1 to use this icon to show you are watching the page. Do you have a
proposed icon for the stop watching? I know we had a lot of discussion a
bout the icon should show an action or a status - but this one is not
ambiguous for me
Perhaps also if you commit - it will great to have your name and a free
license somewhere
Thx

On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 20:57 +0900, Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote:

> Well, ok, if intuitive icon names are important. ;-)
>
> I was also curious about the image at actual icon size, so played a bit
> and am attaching a somewhat reworked version of one (eye rotated to
> level to allow more space for checkmark, checkmark size increased),
> reduced to 16 x 16.
>
> -- Gary
>
> Desilets, Alain wrote:
> > Yes, I already knew the name and location of the icon. I just couldn't figure out where in the tiki code, this eye was inserted. I need to change the name of these icons from no_eye.png to eye_checked.png
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Gary Cunningham-Lee [mailto:gary_c@...]
> >> Sent: October 29, 2009 7:39 AM
> >> To: Tikiwiki developers
> >> Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> A right mouse click on the eye icon shows its properties, including
> >> location: pics/icons/eye.png (just the eye) and pics/icons/no_eye.png
> >> (eye with X).
> >>
> >> -- Gary
> >>
> >> Desilets, Alain wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am trying to modify the eye icon to make it more intuitive. Lots of
> >>>
> >> users think that an eye with a red X on it means that you are currently
> >> NOT watching, when in fact, it means the opposite. I plan to use the
> >> usual convention, adding a checkbox in the upper right corner of the
> >> eye, which will be checked or unchecked, depending on whether you are
> >> watching or not. Something like the attached images.
> >>
> >>> But... I can't for the life of me locate where the original eye.png
> >>>
> >> and no_eye.png icons are inserted referenced in tiki-index.php. I
> >> searched the code for eye.png, and all I can find is a reference to it
> >> in tiki-edit_map.php, and it's obviously not the one I want.
> >>
> >>> Can someone give me a hint?
> >>>
> >>> Thx
> >>>
> >>> ----
> >>> Alain Désilets, MASc
> >>> Agent de recherches/Research Officer
> >>> Institut de technologie de l'information du CNRC / NRC Institute for
> >>> Information Technology
> >>>
> >>> alain.desilets@...
> >>> Tél/Tel (613) 990-2813
> >>> Facsimile/télécopieur: (613) 952-0215
> >>>
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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

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Hi Alain

Probably drown with corel draw or inkscape (http://www.inkscape.org/ - it is free) - or similar program, than exported to png. If you can get the source file in svg format, you can modify it easily and in a good quality, than export it to png again (you have to watch out to use transparent background). If you dont have the source file than you have to play around with the png itself which can be tricky. I use neopaint (http://www.neosoftware.com/npw.html) to create/modify small buttons in applications. It can be helpful for gif icons which can be quite problematic to modify when you need transparent background. I recommend you always save in png extension.

If you need to resize larger png pics or convert between file types you can use infranview (http://www.irfanview.com/) or this website http://tools.dynamicdrive.com/imageoptimizer/index.php or this for favicons http://www.html-kit.com/favicon/-/browserpreview/

hope this helps,
cheers,
gezza

From: "Desilets, Alain" <Alain.Desilets@...>
To: Tikiwiki developers <tikiwiki-devel@...>
Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 1:04:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

> I'll be interested to see how those icons look when resized to 16 x 16
> pixels ;)

As a matter of fact, they don't look good at all ;-).

I'm no graphic designer, and in particular, I have never created icons
that small and am struggling with that. Can anyone tell me the tools and
tricks of that trade. Or even better yet, if someone out there can put
together icons like the two I attach, but that will display well as
16x16, then I will be happy to insert them at the right place in the
code.

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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

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Very helpful thx.

Alain

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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

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> +1 to use this icon to show you are watching the page. Do you have a
> proposed icon for the stop watching?

Drafts of the two icons are attached.

eye_unckecked would be used when the user is NOT watching the page. When he clicks on that icon, you would then see eye_checked, which means that you ARE watching the page.

> I know we had a lot of discussion
> a bout the icon should show an action or a status

The use of a small checkbox (empty or checked) in the upper right corner of a base icon is a pretty standard convention used when the icon refers to something which is toggable. It conveys both the status (checked or unchecked), plus the checkbox suggests the fact that you can check or uncheck it by clicking on the icon.

I think we should use that same convention in other places in Tiki where an icon is really a toggable element.

> ambiguous for me Perhaps also if you commit - it will great to have
> your name and a free license somewhere Thx

What do you mean?

Do you mean that I should make sure that the icon I based this on is free of copyright?

Alain

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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

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Instead of Checkmarks, to be consistent with the other Tiki icons, why not
use the + (to add) and - (to remove). See attached.

HTH

-R

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Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

>> Thx. It looks pretty good when I display it inside Tiki.
>>
>> Would you be able to work the same magi for the other icon, the one
>> with the checkbox unchecked?
>
> Also, I think the border around the checkbox needs to be either thicker
> or in a deeper color, cause we can't really see it. And it's important
> that we see the empty checkbox so that the eye_unchecked does not look
> like the eye is active.
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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

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That's the difference between an ICON and a BUTTON. The items on the wiki
top line are BUTTONS -- not ICONS. IMHO they should reflect *action* not
status.

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>> I know we had a lot of discussion
>> a bout the icon should show an action or a status
>
> The use of a small checkbox (empty or checked) in the upper right corner
> of a base icon is a pretty standard convention used when the icon refers
> to something which is toggable. It conveys both the status (checked or
> unchecked), plus the checkbox suggests the fact that you can check or
> uncheck it by clicking on the icon.
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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

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Great concept improvement, Alain!

A small suggestion for when the eye is NOT active: How about a closed eye? One with the eyelid shut; perhaps with noticeable thick wimpers.

The clear open eye, even without the checkmark seems too much like an active, looking eye, in other words as if a "watch" is on. Someone who is unfamiliar with the software and new with TikiWiki will simply see unchecked eyes.

olaf-michael

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Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?
To: sgreverend@..., "Tikiwiki developers" <tikiwiki-devel@...>
Received: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 2:17 PM

> +1 to use this icon to show you are watching the page. Do you have a
> proposed icon for the stop watching?

Drafts of the two icons are attached.

eye_unckecked would be used when the user is NOT watching the page. When he clicks on that icon, you would then see eye_checked, which means that you ARE watching the page.

> I know we had a lot of discussion
> a bout the icon should show an action or a status

The use of a small checkbox (empty or checked) in the upper right corner of a base icon is a pretty standard convention used when the icon refers to something which is toggable. It conveys both the status (checked or unchecked), plus the checkbox suggests the fact that you can check or uncheck it by clicking on the icon.

I think we should use that same convention in other places in Tiki where an icon is really a toggable element.

> ambiguous for me Perhaps also if you commit - it will great to have
> your name and a free license somewhere Thx

What do you mean?

Do you mean that I should make sure that the icon I based this on is free of copyright?

Alain

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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

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You can also try paint.net with an icon plugin. I used it recently for
an icon for a cd but I am no artist (& not usually a front end
programmer). It seems to have several good tutorials
http://paint.net/
http://www.infopackets.com/news/hardware/2006/20060428_create_icons_and_cursors_with_paint.htm
hth
Tricia
Desilets, Alain wrote:

>
> Very helpful thx.
>
>
>
> Alain
>
>
>
> *From:* gezza nagy [mailto:gezzzan@...]
> *Sent:* October 29, 2009 8:54 AM
> *To:* Tikiwiki developers
> *Subject:* Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?
>
>
>
> Hi Alain
>
> Probably drown with corel draw or inkscape (http://www.inkscape.org/ -
> it is free) - or similar program, than exported to png. If you can get
> the source file in svg format, you can modify it easily and in a good
> quality, than export it to png again (you have to watch out to use
> transparent background). If you dont have the source file than you
> have to play around with the png itself which can be tricky. I use
> neopaint (http://www.neosoftware.com/npw.html) to create/modify small
> buttons in applications. It can be helpful for gif icons which can be
> quite problematic to modify when you need transparent background. I
> recommend you always save in png extension.
>
> If you need to resize larger png pics or convert between file types
> you can use infranview (http://www.irfanview.com/) or this website
> http://tools.dynamicdrive.com/imageoptimizer/index.php or this for
> favicons http://www.html-kit.com/favicon/-/browserpreview/
>
> hope this helps,
> cheers,
> gezza
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* "Desilets, Alain" <Alain.Desilets@...>
> *To:* Tikiwiki developers <tikiwiki-devel@...>
> *Sent:* Thu, October 29, 2009 1:04:56 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?
>
> > I'll be interested to see how those icons look when resized to 16 x 16
> > pixels ;)
>
> As a matter of fact, they don't look good at all ;-).
>
> I'm no graphic designer, and in particular, I have never created icons
> that small and am struggling with that. Can anyone tell me the tools and
> tricks of that trade. Or even better yet, if someone out there can put
> together icons like the two I attach, but that will display well as
> 16x16, then I will be happy to insert them at the right place in the
> code.
>
> Alain
>
>
>
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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

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I opened and looked at your two icons, Rick, and liked them.
Then I read your text, and I'm less enthusiastic.
The eye with the red circle with the white bar looks like an international do-not-enter sign. To the uninitiated it sort of says: "do not look" or "eye not looking", whereas the green circle with a plus-sign seems to signify an eye that IS looking.

Perhaps, though, having pop-up texts with say something as follows, will help:
For the eye with the red-circle-with-white-bar: "Watch active; click to deactivate", and
For the eye with the green-circle-with-plus-sign: "Click to activate watching [this page, or whatever applicable]".

Just my two cents worth,
olaf-michael

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From: Rick Sapir <rick.sapir@...>
Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?
To: "Tikiwiki developers" <tikiwiki-devel@...>
Received: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 2:25 PM

Instead of Checkmarks, to be consistent with the other Tiki icons, why not
use the + (to add) and - (to remove). See attached.

HTH

-R

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To: "Tikiwiki developers" <tikiwiki-devel@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

>> Thx. It looks pretty good when I display it inside Tiki.
>>
>> Would you be able to work the same magi for the other icon, the one
>> with the checkbox unchecked?
>
> Also, I think the border around the checkbox needs to be either thicker
> or in a deeper color, cause we can't really see it. And it's important
> that we see the empty checkbox so that the eye_unchecked does not look
> like the eye is active.
>
> Alain
>
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Re: Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?

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OK, I just committed alternative icons, which are based on Gary's low-res versions.

I don't think they're quite right yet. I think the eye part of the icon is too small. Maybe we need to make the eye bigger, and have a bit of an overlap between the check box and the eye.

But I'm no graphic artist!

What do folks think?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Desilets, Alain [mailto:Alain.Desilets@...]
> Sent: October 29, 2009 9:18 AM
> To: sgreverend@...; Tikiwiki developers
> Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Where is the eye icon on tiki-index?
>
> > +1 to use this icon to show you are watching the page. Do you have a
> > proposed icon for the stop watching?
>
> Drafts of the two icons are attached.
>
> eye_unckecked would be used when the user is NOT watching the page.
> When he clicks on that icon, you would then see eye_checked, which
> means that you ARE watching the page.
>
> > I know we had a lot of discussion
> > a bout the icon should show an action or a status
>
> The use of a small checkbox (empty or checked) in the upper right
> corner of a base icon is a pretty standard convention used when the
> icon refers to something which is toggable. It conveys both the status
> (checked or unchecked), plus the checkbox suggests the fact that you
> can check or uncheck it by clicking on the icon.
>
> I think we should use that same convention in other places in Tiki
> where an icon is really a toggable element.
>
> > ambiguous for me Perhaps also if you commit - it will great to have
> > your name and a free license somewhere Thx
>
> What do you mean?
>
> Do you mean that I should make sure that the icon I based this on is
> free of copyright?
>
> Alain

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