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Why am I banned?
by Felipe Contreras
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Reply (Restricted by the Administrator) | Reply to Author | View Threaded | Show Only this Message Hi,
I have been banned from the IRC channel since Jul 29 for no reason at all. And nobody is replying my personal emails. Care to remove the bain? -- Felipe Contreras _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@... http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devel |
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Re: Why am I banned?
by John Bailey-2
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Reply (Restricted by the Administrator) | Reply to Author | View Threaded | Show Only this Message Felipe Contreras wrote:
> Hi, > > I have been banned from the IRC channel since Jul 29 for no reason at > all. And nobody is replying my personal emails. > > Care to remove the bain? > No. You know exactly why you are banned. You continued a conversation you were told to drop. As far as I'm concerned, that's the last straw and I'm no longer willing to tolerate your presence at all. Therefore, so long as I have operator privileges in #pidgin you will remain banned. For the record, I will ignore any and all further inquiries, demands, complaints, crying, etc. on this subject, no matter who they are from. John _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@... http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devel |
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Re: Why am I banned?
by Felipe Contreras
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Reply (Restricted by the Administrator) | Reply to Author | View Threaded | Show Only this Message On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 5:05 PM, John Bailey <rekkanoryo@...> wrote:
> Felipe Contreras wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have been banned from the IRC channel since Jul 29 for no reason at >> all. And nobody is replying my personal emails. >> >> Care to remove the bain? >> > > No. You know exactly why you are banned. You continued a conversation you were > told to drop. As far as I'm concerned, that's the last straw and I'm no longer > willing to tolerate your presence at all. Therefore, so long as I have operator > privileges in #pidgin you will remain banned. I guess you are referring to this: Jul 29 04:25:57 <rekkanoryo> this discussion is over NOW Jul 29 04:26:08 <rekkanoryo> if anyone continues it, I will ban that person One would assume that the purpose of the ban would be to stop the discussion. I made clear those were going to be my last words on the subject: Jul 29 04:31:30 <felipec> unbelievable, the only channel where people get annoyed by pm; then I'll say the last words here and then I'll leave: After I said what I wanted to say, I left, so it was pretty clear I dropped the subject, therefore the ban would have served no purpose at all. In any case, I was banned. After more than one moth I don't see what's the purpose of the ban since that discussion has been closed long ago, so I assume it's not related to _that_ discussion, but discussions in the future. So, just to be clear: The purpose of the ban is to prevent me from discussing topics that, although are related to Pidgin, you don't want to discuss. If that's the case, then nobody ever warned me of such kind of permanent ban. -- Felipe Contreras _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@... http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devel |
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Re: Why am I banned?
by Felipe Contreras
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Reply (Restricted by the Administrator) | Reply to Author | View Threaded | Show Only this Message On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Peter Lawler <bleeter@...> wrote:
> Felipe, > If one goes to a pub, is disruptive, and told 'If you continue that > behaviour, you'll be banned for life' then goes on right ahead and continues > the behaviour... EVEN IF IT'S ON THE WAY OUT THE DOOR... the establishment > has every right to ban that person for life as they have demonstrated > clearly their contempt for the rules laid down by the establishment. Nobody said "for life". > Every IRC channel has limits. The most basic is; what Ops say goes, annoy > the crap out of an Op at one's own peril. If an op says 'stop or I'll > ban'... STOP. IRL, if a policeman says 'stop or I'll arrest' one doesn't > keep on going doing whatever's pissed the copper off, then cry at the courts > later 'oh it's sooo unfair it was only a little I continued to do but I > never knew I'd be arrested'... to coin a gaming phrase .... srsly. Are you familiar with the term "police abuse"? Maybe it will come as a shock to you, but yes, power can be abused. It looks like you are not understanding correctly what is happening: a warning for a *temporal* ban was used in order to issue a permanent ban without any explanation. I realized I was banned permanently because none of my private emails were being answered, and after a month I still was unable to join the channel. Given the fact that I've contributed substantially to the project (I wrote most of the MSN prpl[1]), and that I've been involved many years, I would think I deserve at least an explanation. Moreover, whatever Pidgin developers think of me, I was still helping users on the IRC channel. Anyway, I don't see the point of even trying to collaborate at all with this community. I guess you've achieved your goal: I'll not try to join #pidgin any more, unsubscribe from this list, and stop announcing msn-pecan releases. You can also forget about the git mirror, and therefore the ohloh enlistment[2]. See ya. [1] http://felipec.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/who-wrote-pidgins-msn-not-who-you-think/ [2] http://www.ohloh.net/p/pidgin -- Felipe Contreras _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@... http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devel |
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Re: Why am I banned?
by Peter Lawler-8
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Reply (Restricted by the Administrator) | Reply to Author | View Threaded | Show Only this Message On 15/09/09 10:59, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Peter Lawler<bleeter@...> wrote: >> Felipe, >> If one goes to a pub, is disruptive, and told 'If you continue that >> behaviour, you'll be banned for life' then goes on right ahead and continues >> the behaviour... EVEN IF IT'S ON THE WAY OUT THE DOOR... the establishment >> has every right to ban that person for life as they have demonstrated >> clearly their contempt for the rules laid down by the establishment. > > Nobody said "for life". And? As a simile/analogy whatever you wish, it's still apt. >> Every IRC channel has limits. The most basic is; what Ops say goes, annoy >> the crap out of an Op at one's own peril. If an op says 'stop or I'll >> ban'... STOP. > > Are you familiar with the term "police abuse"? Maybe it will come as a > shock to you, but yes, power can be abused. It may come as a shock to you, but IRC, like life, isn't fair. If you feel unfairly banned, feel free to apply to the World Court or other jurisdiction who you feel has authority over #pidgin. Maybe they were waiting for you to start behaving appropriately. You cannot seriously think this cryfest will help. Go watch Life Of Brian, People's Front of Judea scenes. > It looks like you are not understanding correctly what is happening: a > warning for a *temporal* ban was used in order to issue a permanent > ban without any explanation. I realized I was banned permanently > because none of my private emails were being answered, and after a > month I still was unable to join the channel. I understood what happened, we were told to drop. I (and others iirc), dropped. You didn't. Now you're having a big cry because you got spanked. Boo hoo && QQ moar. Word up: Life ain't fair. > Given the fact that I've contributed substantially to the project (I > wrote most of the MSN prpl[1]), and that I've been involved many > years, I would think I deserve at least an explanation. Moreover, > whatever Pidgin developers think of me, I was still helping users on > the IRC channel. You deserve to be treated as the owners of the IRC channel, and project, see fit. Best I can tell you were not helping users, you were (a) telling them to use something else (b) refusing to help fix what Pidgin ship (c) accusing Pidgin developers of plagiarism whilst comitting a+b. You also refused to change behaviour upon request of project owners and instead preferred to needlessly argue wasting not only your own time, but dev and Op time. > Anyway, I don't see the point of even trying to collaborate at all > with this community. Best as I can tell, you ain't been doing that for ages. So, no great loss I guess. Far as I'm concerned, this conversation's over. G'luck. Pete. P.S. Stupid bloody closed protocols are stupid. _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@... http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devel |
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Re: Why am I banned?
by Tim Ringenbach-5
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Reply (Restricted by the Administrator) | Reply to Author | View Threaded | Show Only this Message On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Peter Lawler <bleeter@...> wrote:
Saying "life isn't fair" isn't a good argument. That implies the ban is actually unfair, which I don't think is how you feel. And it doesn't make us look good to imply someone was banned unfairly. --Tim _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@... http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devel |
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Re: Why am I banned?
by Peter Lawler-8
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Reply (Restricted by the Administrator) | Reply to Author | View Threaded | Show Only this Message On 15/09/09 13:01, Tim Ringenbach wrote:
> > Saying "life isn't fair" isn't a good argument. That implies the ban is > actually unfair, which I don't think is how you feel. And it doesn't > make us look good to imply someone was banned unfairly. Yeah, that part probably wasn't worded that well as it could be inferred that's what I was saying. Apologies to all concerned. If I could think of a better wording, and be bothered, I would do so now. But I can't, really. P. _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@... http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devel |
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